Antelope Greg (The Man, The Myth, The PAIN IN THE ASS)
Trey Parker
sitting uncomfortably close to Antelope Greg. My experience happened on
the second night of the Lemonwheel. One of the guys I was with is a
college sprinter and we put him in charge of getting us a choice spot to
sit at during the show. He hauled ass at exactly 1:00 and set up our
blanket about 10 ft from Trey directly behind Antelope Greg. For those
of you who have never heard of Antelope Greg here is a full description
and psychological profile: Greg is an extremely avid Phish fan (I
haven't heard of him missing a show since about 94). When he's at a
show he always somehow seems to procure a spot in front row center
directly in front of Trey. Once the show starts he blows about 300
bucks of cocaine up his nose, smokes some weed (not enough!!), probably
takes a couple hits of acid and god knows what else. This process
unleashes the wrath that is Antelope Greg. Greg requires about a four
foot radius around him in which he is able to "dance" and have fun at
others expense. Greg's form of dancing is similar to a nazi headbanging
on speed. His dancing repertoire includes karate chops, nazi salutes,
full swings, and toe steppings on the people relatively close to him
(couldn't figure out a better way to say it). His body reaches
convulsions of speeds known only to, well antelopes. He is to the
fullest extent "out of control" hence the name Antelope Greg. God help
the poor soul who happens to stumble into his radius. If you are one of
the unfortunate ones, you will experience his full rage. Examples being
"Get the fuck away from me," "Shut the fuck up and get the fuck away
from me," and the infamous "If you don't shut the fuck up and get the
fuck away from me, I will kick your fucking ass." Now in my humble
opinion nobody has the right to ruin others' fun at a show. Antelope
Greg has done this for four years and the band especially Trey has just
sat there and watched. Now I completely understand where Greg is coming
from. I too get extremely pissed off when 4 or 5 people come from the
back and try and get to the front of the show and stand in front of you
when you've already been there for about 5 hours. I unlike Greg kindly
inform them that I've been there for about 5 hours and that there's no
more room up here. If they're still there after that, I just keep
informing them about the aforementioned fact until the become extremely
annoyed and leave. During that second night of Lemonwheel, I saw Greg
make two girls cry and almost get in a fight with about 4-5 guys. This
behavior should not be tolerated by the band or the rest of us. The
problem is that Greg seems to be connected to the band. At the
Lemonwheel, he had a VIP bracelet. This really pisses me off. And I
wonder how he keeps getting front and center seats at every show. Not
only does he get the seats but the rest of his entourage gets them as
well. His entourage consists of about 5 or so people. His goal is to
surround himself with absolutely worthless scum as to make himself look
so cool. His dancing partner closely resembles a crack baby, 3 other
dudes equally as worthless in personality, and a girl who just stands
there and stares at him lovingly. I saw him return her affection by
coming up behind her while she was sitting down and pick her up and
begin swinging her around. That's true puppy love right there. Anyway
the point of my profile of Greg is that I know that others have had
their shows ruined by having to put up with Greg and his bullshit. I
think that this situation needs some serious addressing and should be
included as part of the save our scene movement. If you have had
similar extremely annoying experiences please reply so we can get the
ball rolling on giving Greg the boot.
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though.
But the scene is not about fighting, if it was we could have taken him
out long ago. We can only hope he does too much drugs and is put out of
commision by his own doing.
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Suzygreen
of the ball that was there front row whole tour. trey says "i don't know how
you do it, man" and then goes into the set.
Alexi Lalas
average Joes. Why not sic 'em on a real pain in the ass.
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Foggy G
dozens of people over the years, but I will say that for some
unknown reason, I have remained on his good side all this time.
I first met him at UIC in '94, we did tour together for much of
'95, and I see him at all shows since. While we have never
really hung out as we did in '95, he has always gone out of the
way to give me free shirts and free stickers, and even went so
far as to give me hundreds (I mean HUNDREDS) of free Antelope
stickers to give to my kindergarten class.
So what I suggest is this: since he seems to have this innately
good and giving side, we somehow find a way to
brainwash/hypnotize him so that he is nothing but the bundle of
pure, positive energy which I have been very fortunate to witness
all these years.
Or we just jump him and beat the shit out of him? Your call.
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Tyler
<be...@virginia.edu> wrote:
>Well I like many others before me have had the unfortunate experience of
>sitting uncomfortably close to Antelope Greg.
I think I bought a shirt off him in Europe. I realize that people can be
anoying at shows, i.e. Frat Boys hwho want to talk to their girl friends
the whole show and spill their beer on you, but far be it from me to
decide, or even want to be responsible for deciding who can be at a show.
It's elitist to go and say who can say or who can go, which defeats the
purpose and beauty of the whole scene. I mean just because he was there
and he was annoying didn't mean that you couldn't move. It sounds to me
like it was some kind of contest for your loyalty to the band, being so
close and having to put up w/ Gregs shit, and that's bullshit. I could
guarantee you that the band doesn't care how close you were for the
concert, they would much rather you enjoy the show and return the good
vibe (i.e. glowsticks at the Went).
Making yourself suffer for some strange act of loyalty and creating a
scape goat for why you had a bad concert is lame. Lorring is a big place,
the sound was probably just as good 50 feet from where you were. Cheer
up, enjoy the music, let the assholes destroy themselves in their own way.
tyler
PoppinFresh
does he get front row center tix to every show? Just wondering if you
knew.
-- Thomas Orgren
Foggy G wrote:
>
> I will not defend Greg, as I have seem him mistreat dozens and
> dozens of people over the years, but I will say that for some
> unknown reason, I have remained on his good side all this time.
> I first met him at UIC in '94, we did tour together for much of
> '95, and I see him at all shows since. While we have never
> really hung out as we did in '95, he has always gone out of the
> way to give me free shirts and free stickers, and even went so
> far as to give me hundreds (I mean HUNDREDS) of free Antelope
> stickers to give to my kindergarten class.
> So what I suggest is this: since he seems to have this innately
> good and giving side, we somehow find a way to
> brainwash/hypnotize him so that he is nothing but the bundle of
> pure, positive energy which I have been very fortunate to witness
> all these years.
> Or we just jump him and beat the shit out of him? Your call.
>
PZerbo
>In article <35DF92DF...@virginia.edu>, Trey Parker
><be...@virginia.edu> wrote:
>
>>Well I like many others before me have had the unfortunate experience of
>>sitting uncomfortably close to Antelope Greg.
>
>I think I bought a shirt off him in Europe. I realize that people can be
>anoying at shows, i.e. Frat Boys hwho want to talk to their girl friends
>the whole show and spill their beer on you, but far be it from me to
>decide, or even want to be responsible for deciding who can be at a show.
This has nothing to do with "deciding who can be at a show", I may have missed
it, but I don't see anyone advocating that. It is niether possible or
desireable. This is strictly about behavior: when humans congregate, there are
some reasonable guidelines of behavior that everyone needs to adhere to so that
we all may groove. Greg exceeds any reasonable definition of those boundaries
at every turn. If he cleaned up his act, his presence wouldn't be an issue.
> It's elitist to go and say who can say or who can go, which defeats the
>purpose and beauty of the whole scene. I mean just because he was there
>and he was annoying didn't mean that you couldn't move. It sounds to me
>like it was some kind of contest for your loyalty to the band, being so
>close and having to put up w/ Gregs shit, and that's bullshit. I could
>guarantee you that the band doesn't care how close you were for the
>concert, they would much rather you enjoy the show and return the good
>vibe (i.e. glowsticks at the Went).
So, the responsibility falls on those around the person(s) behaving totally
anti-socially to bail? Sorry, no. If he pulled his act in some remote location
of the venue it would be a -little- different, but he is always in primo
real-estate. A non-Greg example: at 12.12.97 I'm front row between Page and
Trey, and to my immediate right there is this 5'0, 90 pound bundle-o-energy
teenage girl who bounced up and down into me, and at every opportunity would
-scream- at the top of her lungs "I love you Trey! Play Character Zero,
TREEEEEEEY!" (I thought I was going to upchuck when they actually played it,
the second set refrain was "THANK YOU FOR PLAYING CHARACTER ZERO, TREEEY!").
Sure, I -could- have bailed, but it isn't every day you get front-row tickets
and I wasn't about to budge. It was still a good time and I managed to tune her
out to some degree, but why does the responsibility lie at my feet to deal with
her extremely anti-social behavior, throwing a big kink in my ability to enjoy
the show? (hint: it doesn't).
> Making yourself suffer for some strange act of loyalty and creating a
>scape goat for why you had a bad concert is lame. Lorring is a big place,
>the sound was probably just as good 50 feet from where you were. Cheer
>up, enjoy the music, let the assholes destroy themselves in their own way.
The point is that there are a lot of factors that go into being able to "enjoy
the music", and the type of shit Greg (and others) pulls makes it pretty darn
tough to do if you are in his vicinity. If it were only "assholes destroying
themselves" it wouldn't be an issue, but that just isn't the case: people's
behavior affects those around them in a big way (positive or negative). What
you are suggesting is that if you want to be close to Trey, it's your
responsibility to put up with Greg's act. That is bullshit.
Fortunately I've been pretty lucky of late, with people in my general vicinity
being stellar, chill company (Merriweather for one, probably the most awesome,
respectful bunch of folks I've ever encountered at a US Phish show). The same
cannot be said for anyone in this dude's path.
I'm not sure what the answer is (and abhore the implications voiced in this
group that violence is the answer), but it certainly is -not- that "everyone
can do what they want, whenever and wherever they want, and if you don't like
it, bail, dude".
$0.02,
-Phillip
Jacob Wolkowitz
mentioned not to dance too wildly because on the first day the fans
got so pissed at one guy dancing wildly that they chucked him over the
guard rail seperating Phish from the audience. Since "jumping" over
the guard rail is against the rules, security showed him the exit. Was
this not Antelope Greg the fine security guard was talking about? BTW
the secuirty at the 'wheel especially by the front of the stage was
just great. They threw water(but not to us front row ppl, we knocked
down the barricade :-( and were really funny.
Jacob
Poster4629
responsible fan behavior at a show. Personally I don't have many personal Greg
stories ( probably bec. I'm neveer that close), other than seeing him at a few
fall shows doing his thing and giving me something to laugh at. He's proably
the only person who makes himself look like an ass dancing more than me..... I
digress. What is the "right" way to act at a show? and I use the term "right"
for a lack of a thesaurus. Generally if you are at a show you are there to
enjoy the music and the crowd and the scene around you. So why on earth do
people insist that it is the prime social hour to talk through the entire set.
Anyone to the right of the soundboard at Vernon will know where I am coming
from. From the very first song, especially if these people don't know it they
just talk and talk till my ears bleed. They pay no attention to the show until
Fee or Character Zero are played. Then some of their lost compadres decide to
reunite during the final jam of the set, because for some cosmic reason people
love to just wander about and then realize it would be too hard to wait till
the set's over to find their way back. Instead they push throught with their
plate of nachos and scream "Hey everybody I'm back" Do they have any interest
in what's going on on stage? Doesn't seem like it.
Now I don't think you should be silent for the whole show, but try to show
some courtesy for everyone around you, If you want to talk fo hours go find
someplace on the outskirts of the venue and bs your night away. My next
question is Where do you have to go during the last song of the set? And it's
obvious that it's the last song or even the second to last song. WHERE DO YOU
NEED TO GO???? Can't you hold it for another 10 min.... Now we all like our
space, especially myself. I like nothing more than to be left alone by
everyone around me, unless there's somethin bonkers going on and we feel the
need to express our interests, but that isn't always the case. Now Greg may
get a bit out of hand and he could be a complete ass, I don't want to make a
judgement on my own opinons, but he is not by far the most annoying thing at a
show. It's the Talking Travelers......
my $.02
Butley
kevin
hey since beating this dood down would be the ultimate option, but not
socially unacceptable, how about we cut open some glow sticks and pour
it on this ASSHOLE?? Glow in the dark ASSHOLE! hehe!!!!!
fuck him and his karate chops, this will change his tune!@
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Trey Parker
was not cool for Greg to yell at or pick fights with those around him. And as
far as moving to another place, maybe you should try picking up a blanket and
finding a place for seven people to sit together once the show has started.
So please before you flame someone next time and insult them try to get the
facts from that person first.
Tyler wrote:
> In article <35DF92DF...@virginia.edu>, Trey Parker
> <be...@virginia.edu> wrote:
>
> >Well I like many others before me have had the unfortunate experience of
> >sitting uncomfortably close to Antelope Greg.
>
> I think I bought a shirt off him in Europe. I realize that people can be
> anoying at shows, i.e. Frat Boys hwho want to talk to their girl friends
> the whole show and spill their beer on you, but far be it from me to
> decide, or even want to be responsible for deciding who can be at a show.
> It's elitist to go and say who can say or who can go, which defeats the
> purpose and beauty of the whole scene. I mean just because he was there
> and he was annoying didn't mean that you couldn't move. It sounds to me
> like it was some kind of contest for your loyalty to the band, being so
> close and having to put up w/ Gregs shit, and that's bullshit. I could
> guarantee you that the band doesn't care how close you were for the
> concert, they would much rather you enjoy the show and return the good
> vibe (i.e. glowsticks at the Went).
>
> Making yourself suffer for some strange act of loyalty and creating a
> scape goat for why you had a bad concert is lame. Lorring is a big place,
> the sound was probably just as good 50 feet from where you were. Cheer
> up, enjoy the music, let the assholes destroy themselves in their own way.
>
> tyler
>
> >Trey Parker
> >Home Page and Tape List: http://www.people.virginia.edu/~bep5m/home.html
>
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Antelope, gets to the Marco part, and friggin Trey's like, "Antelope Greg!"
Whats the dilly with that? I guess he knows him, huh? He must laugh his ass off
seein this maniac at every show, home and abroad....
Later
Brandon
BJORN JM
I first met Greg in '94 and the only thing he has done to me is give me free
Antelope stickers at almost every show I see him at.
Yes he does dance like a mad man. And I'm sure he does his fair share of drugs
and I don't think that starting fights at a show belongs in any circumstance.
But again, I'm sure some of the things I've done at shows, might have annoyed
some without me even noticing it or thinking about it.
But basically I'm getting upset but all of these slamming post and people
talking about shoving glow sticks up his ass or beating him senseless. First
we had the Pharmers Almanac giving him a full page slam in their 4th edition.
Like these guys should talk. And now almost every week we have these group
slams on him on RMP.
Maybe confront him and just talk to him about these things. I understand he
was a hand full during the Euro-'97 shows, but at the Euro-'98 shows, it seemed
like him and his crew were about 20 ft back from the stage and stayed pretty
much to themselves. I know this because this is where I like to be too. Didn't
bother me at all.
It would be hard to handle if you had reserved seats right by him and even
though I have no problems with him, I probably wouldn't want to sit there. And
yes, the band does know him and I'm sure see him at every show, but it doesn't
seem to bug them.
I think that instead of raging on him this way, try talking to him instead.
And for all who want to continue to rage, please do it privately among
yourselves.
Enough of the witch hunt.
By the way. How many others have had a song dedicated to them? And I'm not
talking about bring some stupid little piece of cardboard with your favorite
song to hold up in a chance Trey will play it.
Please dont write back because my mailbox is full of B&P responses. See I'm
trying to spread good music and vibes and don't want to get in online battles.
See ya all in Vegas and many others cities this fall
Jason
Diana Hamilton
bjo...@aol.com (Jason) wrote:
> But basically I'm getting upset but all of these slamming post and people
> talking about shoving glow sticks up his ass or beating him senseless.
> It would be hard to handle if you had reserved seats right by him and even
> though I have no problems with him, I probably wouldn't want to sit there.
I haven't had the fortune to sit next to AG, but I am curious about the
reserved seating situation. Call me an old fogey, but in a movie theater if
someone is being disruptive, you first try reasoning with him (as Jason
suggests), then if that doesn't work, call "Usher!"
If he's always in the good seats, aren't ushers within fairly easy summoning
distance? Has anyone actually tried this after any of AG's threats? Anecdotes,
please?
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Had my first Antelope Greg experience at Lemonwheel, but was fortunately
just far enough away to not interefere with his "personal dancing space",
his endless lines (speed or coke - hard to say since he kneeled down to do
it between every song), and his constant hitting of the crack pipe (trust me
even the dankest nugs aren't that white)
Antelope Greg is as bad a trip as I've seen described on the ng, and now
that I've seen him (or it) first hand, I know to keep my distance, and as GI
JOE always said, knowing is half the battle - He's easy to laugh at but
disturbing nonetheless.
Happy to be sharing in everyone else's groove but his,
peace,
grant
Trey Parker wrote:
> Well I like many others before me have had the unfortunate experience of
Andrew
dancing more like falling over people and waving his hands in the air like
there were tracers everywhere. Finally a guy who wrote and had other people
write on him came up after one guy pushed him for the 5th time and gave
hime to the security guards. It wasn't too hard because we were in the 4th
row!
Andrew
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John Garrity
bjo...@aol.com (BJORN JM) wrote:
>Maybe confront him and just talk to him about these things. I understand he
>was a hand full during the Euro-'97 shows, but at the Euro-'98 shows, it seemed
>like him and his crew were about 20 ft back from the stage and stayed pretty
>much to themselves. I know this because this is where I like to be too. Didn't
>bother me at all.
I have to admit that before leaving for the '98 Europe shows I was already
preparing to have an altercation with this guy, This was based on all the
horror stories I had been reading here on rmp. I had read stories about
how he likes to flail around wildly and do so while up close where space
is tight. I had also read that he yells at people and gets in their faces
when they ask him to mellow out, and that he demands something like five
square feet of space no matter how crowded it is, etc, etc.
So, we ended up close to him in Coppenhagen (I remembered who he was cuz I
bought an antelope hat from him in San Diego '96) and I talked to him
about all this stuff and he actually seemed a bit concerned about all the
negative posts about him here on rmp. He asked something like "was it
really bad?" and I answered "you mean besides the stuff that I wrote?" I
actually never even wrote anything bad about him, I just posted that I
wasn't gonna put up with his shit if he tried any of the stuff that I had
been reading about. Anyway, he behaved himself. Still danced like a freak,
but I don't think there were any problems as far as invading people's
space. He could've quit with all the fire in Prague though. Shit it was
already 115 in there and here's this freak with all this fire burning his
absinth and sugar. At least I hope that's what it was...
john_g...@my-dejanews.com
GlideII
who like you say, is always front and center dancing wildly. i have him
on a few of my vids.
all i have to say is im not too big on speed freaks, phishhead or not.
he might be alright to hang out w/, but in my opinion crackheads usually
arent at peace w/ themselves or anyone around them.
my $.02
jason
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