Tristan and Isolde, Bayreuth 1966
Mike Richter
Hornymd590 wrote:
>
> I recently purchased a copy of the Bayreuth '66 Tristan and Isolde with
> Nilsson and Windgassen conducted by Karl Bohm. The lineup is exactly the
> same as the DG recording from the same year (Ludwig, Talvela, Wachter,
> etc.), except that this recording is released by Frequenz (Europa Musica
> 051-051).
I do not have the Frequenz, but I believe that they are different. The
DG was composited to cover lapses and for balance. The Frequenz is, I
believe, a complete performance as broadcast. The DG has excellent
sound; the broadcast is good of its kind, but not in the same league.
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James Jorden
Paul Oberndorfer wrote:
>
> No, it`s not the same recording !
> The DG recording was taken on different evenings, the frequenz > recording was taken one evening.
I recall reading somewhere (Wolfgang Wagner's memoirs? Opera News?
Harper's Bazaar?) that the DG recording was made by performing Act One
twice in one day, Act 2 twice the next day, etc. in an empty theater.
Thus the acoustic of the recording is not the true Bayreuth sound --
rather more resonant and bright.
The same technique was used years later to videotape the Chereau "Ring."
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Hsuan de
"Paul Oberndorfer" <a920...@unet.univie.ac.at> wrote:
>No, it`s not the same recording !
>The DG recording was taken on different evenings, the frequenz recording
>was taken one evening.
>If you listen carefully you can remark that.
I've seen a Philips Bayreuth issue featuring that same cast, and
recorded in 1966. Is the performance identical to the DGG one?
Hsuan
Unknown
In article <5seak2$ust$2...@enyo.uwa.edu.au>,
Yes, it is. DG and Philips are both arms of Polygram and Philips does
occasionally issue recordings originally appearing under DG (eg. the
complete Mozart project).
Elsewhere, James Jorden remarks that the Tristan was recorded an act at a time
which is my recollection as well, I think dating back to some of the reviews
when it was originally issued. The only thing I remember differently is that
it was in front of a live, invited audience to get that extra frisson. I
don't know about the performance being given twice in the same day however.
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Mitchell Kaufman
James Jorden <jjo...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Paul Oberndorfer wrote: > > No, it`s not the same recording ! > The DG
> recording was taken on different evenings, the frequenz > recording was
> taken one evening.
>
> I recall reading somewhere (Wolfgang Wagner's memoirs? Opera News?
> Harper's Bazaar?) that the DG recording was made by performing Act One
> twice in one day, Act 2 twice the next day, etc. in an empty theater. Thus
> the acoustic of the recording is not the true Bayreuth sound -- rather
> more resonant and bright.
>
> The same technique was used years later to videotape the Chereau "Ring."
I'd tend to go along with that purely on the basis of the recorded
evidence: the DG Bohm "Tristan" doesn't *sound* like there's an audience
present. And while I know the miking was different than for the Philips
Bayreuth recordings of the era, it sounds *very* different from (and not
as good as) those of the Philips recordings that clearly have an
audience present.
Whatever, it's still one of the great opera recordings of all time, in
my view.
--
Mitchell Kaufman
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Bill Baldwin
Mike Richter wrote:
> Hornymd590 wrote:
> >
> > I recently purchased a copy of the Bayreuth '66 Tristan and Isolde with
> > Nilsson and Windgassen conducted by Karl Bohm. The lineup is exactly
the
> > same as the DG recording from the same year (Ludwig, Talvela, Wachter,
> > etc.), except that this recording is released by Frequenz (Europa
Musica
> > 051-051).
The DG and the Philips release are identical except that the Philips is
mid-price (and has a better looking cover). The Frequenz is different,
recorded from a single broadcast performance as Mike Richter notes.
> I do not have the Frequenz, but I believe that they are different. The
> DG was composited to cover lapses and for balance. The Frequenz is, I
> believe, a complete performance as broadcast. The DG has excellent
> sound; the broadcast is good of its kind, but not in the same league.
True enough. The sound on the DG/Philips is superior; the sound on the
Frequenz is pretty good. But the funny thing is, when I want to listen to
Tristan, I tend to get out the Frequenz. There's a little more electricity
and excitement. I got the Philips first and was quite satisfied with it.
Then I got the Frequenz and said "Wow!"
I'll get back to everyone on this in a few weeks when I've had a chance to
do a blind comparison of the two to see if I just happened to be in a
better (or more Wagnerian) mood for the Frequenz.
David Gable
Has the Nilsson/Windgassen/Boulez Tristan every surfaced on CD? This
recording stems from a tour of Japan by the Bayreuth company in the
mid-60's. I know it is available on video, but I'd love to have it on
CD.
- David Gable