Translation of Libretto I Due Foscari
Evi
website.
Depressing stuff :(
Evi
OmbraRecds
What's depressing about it? I have a number of Due Foscari's and love all of
them for various reasons. The music is the best of the early Verdi. The
Gencer/Picchi/Serafin is the best of the recordings I have. The La Scala video
with Bruson and Roark-Strummer is very exciting. Roark-Strummer sings the hell
out of Lucrezia. This is a fiendish role. Too bad Callas didn't try it.
I have the original piano/vocal score. It stands proudly on display.
Patrick Byrne
Commspkmn
<< What's depressing about it? >>
The plot.
Best,
Ken
Evi
"OmbraRecds" <ombra...@aol.com> wrote in message
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As Ken said, the plot. I hate it when the baddy wins. I haven't heard the
opera yet. I'm off to Tower to see if I can hear some extracts.
Evi
A Tsar Is Born
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> As Ken said, the plot. I hate it when the baddy wins. I haven't heard the
> opera yet. I'm off to Tower to see if I can hear some extracts.
What baddy wins?
Incompetent ruler has scofflaw son.
The kid is exiled. He thinks he's immune. He comes home.
He's not immune. His wife sets up a howling uproar, but he's kicked out of
town.
He doesn't even die, or does he? (I forget.)
The incompetent ruler is obliged to quit.
Realism.
Hans Lick
OmbraRecds
>opera yet. I'm off to Tower to see if I can hear some extracts.
>Evi
Don't listen to the awful Phillips version with Carerras. Get the MYTO with
Gencer and Picchi cond. by Serafin. Serafin is the Verdi soverign.
Patrick Byrne
Commspkmn
<< Don't listen to the awful Phillips version with Carerras. Get the MYTO with
Gencer and Picchi cond. by Serafin. Serafin is the Verdi soverign.
Patrick Byrne >>
I just listened to the MYTO the other day, and I agree, it is a superb
performance.
I like the Philips a bit more than does Patrick, although I too prefer the
MYTO.
Best,
Ken
stephenmead
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> "Evi" <evwoolTa...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:bq1f55$1tu2bi$1...@ID-165649.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > As Ken said, the plot. I hate it when the baddy wins. I haven't heard
the
> > opera yet. I'm off to Tower to see if I can hear some extracts.
>
> What baddy wins?
> Incompetent ruler has scofflaw son.
> The kid is exiled. He thinks he's immune. He comes home.
> He's not immune. His wife sets up a howling uproar, but he's kicked out of
> town.
> He doesn't even die, or does he? (I forget.)
Yes he does die but not onstage. His wife brings the news in to the Doge in
Act III that Jacopo dropped dead just as he was about to board the ship that
would take him into exile.
> The incompetent ruler is obliged to quit.
> Realism.
>
> Hans Lick
Yes it is realistic indeed it is based on a verse drama by Byron who based
it on historical fact.
Stephen
>
>
OmbraRecds
>Incompetent ruler has scofflaw son.
>The kid is exiled. He thinks he's immune. He comes home.
>He's not immune. His wife sets up a howling uproar, but he's kicked out of
>town.
> doesn't even die, or does he? (I forget.)
>The incompetent ruler is obliged to quit.
>Realism.
>
>Hans Lick
What libretto are you reading?
Loredano, a member of the Venetian Council, vows to destroy the house of
Foscari(that of the Doge of the story), believing it responsible for the death
of his father and uncle. He is instrumental in having the Council exile Jacopo
Foscari(the Doge's son) for the crime and finally sees Jacopo's father
compelled to abdicate.
Though the perpetrator of the murders is proved to be somebody other than
Jacopo, Loredano's vengeance is complete; Jacopo dies on his way to exile, and
his father collapses and dies after his compulsory abdication.
Where does the Doge's incompetence come in? Howling uproar from
Lucrezia(Jacopo's wife) Do you mean the gorgeous music Verdi has given a
soprano who must have technique and stamina to spare, and all the belcanto
schooling to boot? Upon hearing I Due Foscari for the first time, Donizetti
proclaimed Verdi a genius. I have to agree.
Patrick Byrne
Evi
I'm glad you explained why Loredano was so angry with the Foscari. It
doesn't actually tell you in the only libretto which I can find online.
There is a speech where Jacopo tries to explain to the ghost of Carmagnola
that it was the council of 10 who killed him but I had no idea who
Carmagnola was. The only clue that Loredano gives is when he says 'Accursed
race, so deadly to mine.'
Is my libretto missing something? Or is it assumed that the listener will
know the story so well that he won't need any further explanation?
Evi
Mark D Lew
<evwoolTa...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> I'm glad you explained why Loredano was so angry with the Foscari. It
> doesn't actually tell you in the only libretto which I can find online.
> There is a speech where Jacopo tries to explain to the ghost of Carmagnola
> that it was the council of 10 who killed him but I had no idea who
> Carmagnola was. The only clue that Loredano gives is when he says 'Accursed
> race, so deadly to mine.'
I don't know the Foscari libretto at all, but Carmagnola was a
condottieri (mercenary), who launched his career by rescuing the duchy
of Milan for a Visconti prince (who awarded him with the Carmagnola
title). He then had a falling out with the Visconti and subsequently
offered himself over to Venice, where the Doge (a Foscari, I think)
wanted to attack Milan. Carmagnola attempted to play the two off one
another, but after a while the Venetians found him guilty of treason
and executed him.
mdl
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That’s great. I am desperately searching for the translation of the libretto. Could you please send it to me Keywan...@gmail.com?
Thanks so much!
Keywan