Non-released recordings: why?!!
Ygor Coelho
and CD's or recorded arias and got very interested in this subject. Do
you know examples of recordings and arias that weren't released until
nowadays by the record companies? I'm curious to know if there's any
recording made by Callas or Sutherland that was not yet released!! :)
I'd also like to ask you: WHY didn't/don't those companies release
those recordings?
Thanks for answers!
Ygor Coelho
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>recording made by Callas or Sutherland that was not yet released!! :)
Every single shred of singing by both ladies has been released, live and
studio. One can hope that Franco Corelli's widow can be persuaded to release
the tape she made of the legedary Fedora her husband did with Callas at La
Scala. There are rumors of a Callas Tristano e Isotta from Venice in 1948.
There was originally a complete Turnadot from Buenos Aires in 1949 with Callas
and del Monaco that was stolen from the archives in that country. It has yet to
surface. Let's hope these and others come to light.
Patrick Byrne
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>>I'm curious to know if there's any
>>recording made by Callas or Sutherland that was not yet released!! :)
>
>Every single shred of singing by both ladies has been released, live and
>studio.
Not true. There is a Callas/Di Stefano unreleased album of duets recorded about
1972, and the soprano is in very poor shape- much worse than her tour with
Di Stefano a year or two later.
They recorded the duet album for Philips, and it includes duets from Forza, Don
Carlo, Vespri, and, I think, Aida, and possible one or two others. I have had
it on cassette from Di Stefano for years, but it has never been released
commercially, as far as I know.
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Ronsdivas
>studio. One can hope that Franco
Not true in Sutherland's case either. She herself told me that there were a
few extra arias (one of which was Don Pasquale) that were recorded..but never
made it onto the disc. She said "The maestro didn't like my variants"..and
then laughed.
So not all the Sutherland material is out there..yet.
Ygor Coelho
I hope Corelli's widow will get some effort to make a real tribute to
her husband. A Fedora recording with Maria Callas and Franco Corelli
would be one of the great releases in the last years!!
Do you have any more information about this Tristano e Isotta with
Calals from Venice? From what I know, that performance also included
Boris Christoph and Fedora Barbieri, right? :)
This last disappeared recording you said is really interesting,
because I did find this recording in the Internet. Unfortunately, I
downloaded only the great aria 'In questa reggia', and, though the
awful sound, I could recognize the singers are really Maria Callas and
Mario del Monaco. Probably, that tape was stolen from the Argentinian
archives and released by someone...
Ygor Coelho
Zauberfloete in 1963 and a complete Giulio Cesare. Do you know if it's
true?
Ygor Coelho
Isn't that CD the one she recorded during her last tour around the
world in 1972/1973? It was released in CD, with duets from Don Carlo,
I Vespri Siciliani, etc.
Richard Loeb
arduous undertaking for all concerned = the results were unfortunate and
only have some kind of morbid interest. Richard
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No, I don;t think it's ever been released. The tour was with piano. Some of it
has been circulating privately for many years.
The Philips recording was done in a studio, with full orchestra, etc. in
stereo. The sound is perfect, and I think it should still be released.
I'm sure if Jackie Callas got her hands on it, it would be!!
I haven't lisened to my copy in quite a few years, but I think that now I will
listen again. I'll let you know what I think.
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Richard Loeb
frankly so awful that one cannot glean any interpretive insights at all.
Usually with this special artist I can find somrething unique and special
regardless of the vocalism but the singing is so terrible the only thoughts
one has is of a voice trying to sing the notes and failing - that's all.
Richard
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Mike Richter
That first would be the 1962 Klemperer with Kelly, (Richard) Lewis and
Joan Carlyle. I have it, though it probably was not "released".
Ygor Coelho
But no complete operas, live or studio recordings? :)
Ygor Coelho
> Ygor Coelho wrote:
> > I have heard some rumors about a live recording of Sutherland's Die
> > Zauberfloete in 1963 and a complete Giulio Cesare. Do you know if it's
> > true?
>
> That first would be the 1962 Klemperer with Kelly, (Richard) Lewis and
> Joan Carlyle. I have it, though it probably was not "released".
>
> Mike
I have been looking in a site which has a compilation of live
recordings and saw this Zauberflöte with Sutherland. By the way, I was
also amazed to know there's also live recordings of Euryanthe, sung by
Sutherland in 1955, and The Barber of Seville (!!!), which she sang in
1972. I have heard rumors about her performance of Rosina, but no site
in the Internet mentions it.
Mike Richter
Edward Greenfield's "Joan Sutherland" lists her roles up to its
publication in 1972. They included
Dido - 1947
Dalila - 1950
Giorgetta - 1952
Amelia - 1952
Comtessa Almaviva - 1953
Aida - 1954
Agathe - 1954
Antonia - 1954
Giulietta - 1955
Olympia - 1955
Euryanthe - 1955
Micaela - 1955
Vitellia - 1955
Pamina - 1956
Eva - 1956
From the excerpts published recently, it seems likely that she had sung
Eva in Australia a good deal earlier.
Note that practical electronics have evolved rapidly in the past half
century. In-house recording was very rare before 1960 and even major
broadcasts from the 1950s seem to have been lost (though, occasionally,
one reappears as in the case of the di Stefano "Elisir" from Edinburgh
just a few months ago).
Ray Gouin
Corelli appeared in Boston with the Met on tour, he had a reel-to-reel tape
recorder with him to tape his performances. He personally carried the tape
recorder out of the theater after the performance and would not allow anyone
else to carry it for him. Does anyone know about this habit? Was it
something that he did frequently or always? If so, there should be hundreds
of tapes of Corelli's performances in his widow's possession.
Ray Gouin
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second unreleased arias album by Elena Souliotis.
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>Of personal knowledge, I know that, during the various occasions that Franco
>Corelli appeared in Boston with the Met on tour, he had a reel-to-reel tape
>recorder with him to tape his performances. He personally carried the tape
>recorder out of the theater after the performance and would not allow anyone
>else to carry it for him. Does anyone know about this habit? Was it
>something that he did frequently or always? If so, there should be hundreds
>of tapes of Corelli's performances in his widow's possession.
>
>Ray Gouin
As far as I know, all of Corelli's Met performances were taped by either
Loretta or a family friend, or perhaps by Franco himself.
There are tapes circulating that were made from hooking up alligator clips
(remember those?) to the terminals in the back of a speaker. Every Met dressing
room has these speakers, as does the chorus room, etc.
From what I was told, someone in the chorus taped many performances this way
from the opening year of the new Met, for many years thereafter.
Surely Corelli could have done the same with the speaker in his dressing room.
I have also heard stories of Loretta berating Franco right in the middle of a
performance, during an intermission. She would play part of the tape from the
previous act and really get angry about this note or that note. Certainly not
what a singer needs to stay even a bit calm during a performance!!
I know the above it true, because it was told to me by singers that sang with
Franco, and witnessed this bizarre behavior.
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>
>
> Edward Greenfield's "Joan Sutherland" lists her roles up to its
> publication in 1972. They included
> Dido - 1947
> Dalila - 1950
> Giorgetta - 1952
> Amelia - 1952
> Comtessa Almaviva - 1953
> Aida - 1954
> Agathe - 1954
> Antonia - 1954
> Giulietta - 1955
> Olympia - 1955
> Euryanthe - 1955
> Micaela - 1955
> Vitellia - 1955
> Pamina - 1956
> Eva - 1956
>
> From the excerpts published recently, it seems likely that she had sung
> Eva in Australia a good deal earlier.
>
Mike,
If I might correct you here, the only staged operatic role Sutherland
sang in Australia prior to going London for study was Goosen's Judith.
The Dido and Dalila roles would've been concert performances as there
was no resident opera company in Australia at that time. Eva was a
Covent Garden role conducted by (I think) Kubelik.
Regards,
David W. Griffith
kittehawk
Ygor,
The BBC destroyed a lot of their archived recordings in (I think) the
1070's, obviously not realising what a precious asset they were sitting
on. From memory (faulty at the best of times) I don't think that the
Tristan was complete, I think only a single Act was performed though I
could be quite wrong. Though, as far as I know, the Titus and Euryanthe
were complete.
The Rosina you mention comes from a series of TV Films (mainly for
children) that Sutherland did called "Who's afraid of Opera" where she
and other singers sang in staged excerpts to muppet like characters. One
other non-stage role she sang in that series was Philine from Mignon
with Huguette Tourangeau as Mignon. I think there were six films in the
series and the remainder consisted of her stage repertoire.
I hope this helps.
Regards,
David W, Griffith
Ygor Coelho
Do you mean Dalila in Saint-Saëns' Samson and Dalila? Wow! Was she
still mezzo in 1950?
Do you have the information on the number of performances she had of
the roles of Giorgetta, Rosina, Dido, Vitellia, Dalila or Brangäne? I
know I'm asking you too much, but that's because (for me) the most
information, the better. :)
I see. Anyway, I'm very satisfied (and amazed!) to know that at least
the tapes with Sutherland's Euryanthe, Der Schaulspieldirektor and The
Barber of Seville still exist, so that we can still dream of a
luxurious stereo recording with one of those operas, hehehehehe...
Mike Richter
> Do you mean Dalila in Saint-Saëns' Samson and Dalila?
Yes
> Wow! Was she still mezzo in 1950?
I'd argue that she was never a mezzo, but she did sing lower roles.
> Do you have the information on the number of performances she had of
> the roles of Giorgetta, Rosina, Dido, Vitellia, Dalila or Brangäne? I
> know I'm asking you too much, but that's because (for me) the most
> information, the better. :)
I do not.
Mike Richter
> The Rosina you mention comes from a series of TV Films (mainly for
> children) that Sutherland did called "Who's afraid of Opera" where she
> and other singers sang in staged excerpts to muppet like characters. One
> other non-stage role she sang in that series was Philine from Mignon
> with Huguette Tourangeau as Mignon. I think there were six films in the
> series and the remainder consisted of her stage repertoire.
I have those films on VHS. The effort of deleting the banal puppet
commentary is one reason that the audio has not been extracted yet.
Perhaps it will be worth the effort.
vertesi
great old recordings. Radio recordings of him that were never aired, house
recordings of some of his shows. Even one Don Carlos where the other bass
got sick and he sang both parts! He just happened to have a body mic on
that night...
anyways, there are LOTS of fantastic recordings out there that were not
released... often for the simple reason that the record companies did not
produce them. singers, music lovers, and opera houses have all made
excellent bootlegs of performances. the trick is to seek them out!
Cam
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>still mezzo in 1950?
>Do you have the information on the number of performances she had of
>the roles of Giorgetta, Rosina, Dido, Vitellia, Dalila or Brangäne?
I have a little information.
Dalila. One performance. 15/7/50. Sydney Town Hall
Giorgetta. Two performances. 16 and 18/7/51. Royal College of Music/London
Brangaene One performance in concert of Act 2. Manchester, England.
9/04/1953. Barbirolli conducted.
Regards, NICK/London
REG
very interesting that JB ran across her so early.
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I'm sorry, but I don't have that information.
Best, NICK/London
kittehawk
Regards,
David W. Griffith
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David,
Yes, that makes every sense!
Cheers. Nick
Jon Andrew
> broadcasts from the 1950s seem to have been lost (though, occasionally,
> one reappears as in the case of the di Stefano "Elisir" from Edinburgh
> just a few months ago).
>
> Mike
Or the Vinay/Traubel REINER 1950 Met Broadcast of TRISTAN & ISOLDE
that surfaced at long last recently. JA
Ygor Coelho
Thanks very much! It's not little information, but much and great one. :)