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Alejandro Quiroz

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Jul 10, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/10/95
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Would any kind soul have the lyrics for an opera song called "Voi che
sapere"? I think the song is part of the "Le Nozze di Figaro" opera.

My wife recently bought an opera tape, and loves the song. Since her
native language is Spanish, she can make out a word here and there, but
has been curious about the whole lyrics (translation to English or Spanish
would also be appreciated).

On a general note, do people have recommendations about finding out
lyrics for other operas? Books? Bookstores? Libraries? Societies? We
live in the South San Francisco Bay Area, more specifically in San Jose,
CA.

Any help is very much appreciated,


Alejandro..


Lyle Neff

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Jul 10, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/10/95
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My libretto site doesn't include "Figaro" yet, but you can find
several other libretti there as well as bibliographic information. I'm
sure others will post information for you about several general opera
sites. My URL is

http://copper.ucs.indiana.edu/~lneff/libretti.html

Lyle Neff, ln...@ucs.indiana.edu
http://copper.ucs.indiana.edu/~lneff/home.html
Libretto Homepage


Alex Vavra

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Jul 11, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/11/95
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The lyrics for the entire Opera are included with the "Le Nozzi Di Figaro" CD
set from an ERATO recording. I havn't looked but a rough translation is: "You
who know what..." -- but I think this should be "Voi Che Sepete".

Alex

P.S. I believe that the first line translation is "You who know what Love
is..."


Mike McNally

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Jul 11, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/11/95
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qui...@cup.hp.com (Alejandro Quiroz) writes:
>Would any kind soul have the lyrics for an opera song called "Voi che
>sapere"?

"Voi che sapete", I believe.

>I think the song is part of the "Le Nozze di Figaro" opera.

Yes. Cherubino "performs" it for Susanna & the Countess. It's
basically more of Cherubino's adolescent angst bubbling out. "You who
know the things of love, ladies, look and see if I have I have those
things in my heart." Like the rest of the opera, the lyrics are silly
and the music wonderful. (I'm still determined to someday produce a
full-length Disneyesque animated "Nozze" with little doggies who live
in the palazzo doing all the singing. :-)

If your wife likes that, then you should invest in the whole opera.
It's breathtaking. (To me, anyway. I could listen to it forever.)

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Mike McNally

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Jul 11, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/11/95
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m...@tivoli.com (Mike McNally) writes:
>"You who know the things of love, ladies, look and see if I have I have those
>things in my heart."

Now that I think about it, it's probably more like "You who know of this
thing called Love...", not "things". "Che cosa e' amor", I think, so it's
just one thing. It's pretty ideomatic (claims this utter failure at
self-taught Italian).

I think Mozart's version of "This Thing Called Love" is clearly superior
to Freddy Mercury's :-)

Ravi Sankrit

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Jul 12, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/12/95
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In article <m5.805...@tivoli.com>, m...@tivoli.com (Mike McNally) writes:

|> Like the rest of the opera, the lyrics are silly

what??!! of all the major mozart operas, le nozze di figaro has probably
the best libretto. (any supporters? dissenters?)

|> and the music wonderful.

of course ..

ravi

Rob Laan

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Jul 12, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/12/95
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In article <805545...@ducks.demon.co.uk>, Ro...@ducks.demon.co.uk wrote:

> Voi che sa-pe-te che co-sa e a-mor, You who can know what love is
> don-ne ve-de-te s'io l'ho nel cor, Judge , my ladies, if it burns in me.
> don-ne ve-de-te s'io l'ho nel cor.

> Quel-lo ch'io pro-vo vi-ri-di-ro I will tell you that what I am
> e per ne nuo-vo ca-pir nol so. going through is new to me. I
cannot understand it.

> Sen-to un af-fet-to pien di de-sir, I feel an affection full of desire,
> ch'o-rae di-let-to, ch'o-rae mar-tir; that is sometimes a delight and
sometimes a cruel pain.

> gel-lo e poi sen-to l'al-mav-vam-par, I am like ice, and then suddenly
> e in mo-men-to tor-no a ge-lar. I am all afire, and then the
next moment am as ice again

> Ri-cer-co un be-ne fou-ri di me: I am looking for something beautiful
> non so chi il tie-ne, non so co-se; without myself, I don't know who has
it, nor what it is.

> so-spi-ro e ge-mo sen-za vo-ler, I sigh and groan without wanting to.
> pal-pi-to e tre-mo se-nza sa-per; I quiver and tremble without knowing it.

> non tro-vo pa-ce not-te ne di, I find no peace, night or day,
> ma pur mi pia-ce lan-guir co-si. and yet I like this languishing

> Voi che sa-pe-te che co-sa e am-or,
> don-ne ve-de-te s'io l'ho nel cor,
> don-ne ve-de-te s'io l'ho nel cor,
> don-ne ve-de-te s'io l'ho nel cor,
>

This is my translation of a Dutch translation. Some meaning might have
been lost in the double translation.

Rob

roger

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Jul 12, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/12/95
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Voi che sa-pe-te che co-sa e a-mor,
don-ne ve-de-te s'io l'ho nel cor,
don-ne ve-de-te s'io l'ho nel cor.
Quel-lo ch'io pro-vo vi-ri-di-ro
e per ne nuo-vo ca-pir nol so.
Sen-to un af-fet-to pien di de-sir,
ch'o-rae di-let-to, ch'o-rae mar-tir;
gel-lo e poi sen-to l'al-mav-vam-par,
e in mo-men-to tor-no a ge-lar.
Ri-cer-co un be-ne fou-ri di me:
non so chi il tie-ne, non so co-se;
so-spi-ro e ge-mo sen-za vo-ler,
pal-pi-to e tre-mo se-nza sa-per;
non tro-vo pa-ce not-te ne di,
ma pur mi pia-ce lan-guir co-si.
Voi che sa-pe-te che co-sa e am-or,
don-ne ve-de-te s'io l'ho nel cor,
don-ne ve-de-te s'io l'ho nel cor,
don-ne ve-de-te s'io l'ho nel cor,

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Dan Ford

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Jul 13, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/13/95
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Why so tepid? If opera is the highest form of art, it is because Mozart
created Figaro. If human beings are worth preserving, it is because
Mozart once walked among us.

- Dan

dan....@unh.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://pubpages.unh.edu/~df

Mike McNally

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Jul 13, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/13/95
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ra...@wfpc2.la.asu.edu (Ravi Sankrit) writes:
>|> Like the rest of the opera, the lyrics are silly

> what??!! of all the major mozart operas, le nozze di figaro has probably
> the best libretto. (any supporters? dissenters?)

I don't mean "silly" like "bad", I just mean that it's all a farce. It is an
amazingly engaging story.

Alejandro Quiroz

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Jul 13, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/13/95
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Mike McNally (m...@tivoli.com) wrote:
: qui...@cup.hp.com (Alejandro Quiroz) writes:

: If your wife likes that, then you should invest in the whole opera.


: It's breathtaking. (To me, anyway. I could listen to it forever.)

OK. I checked my friendly, local Tower Records yesterday, and I
found at least a dozen different versions of "Le Nozze di Figaro".
I could have used price as a differentiator (more expensive,
hopefully more quality), but to my dismay almost all of the CD
albums that included a libretto cost $44.95.

This may be an exercise in futility, but here we go... how would
I know which one to pick? Should I look for a particular singer/
orchestra? Would the recording company be a better criteria?
Sorry, I'm a total opera neophite...

I'm sure everyone will have different opinions, but, any comments
would be appreciated.


Alejandro..


Isidoro FERRANTE

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Jul 13, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/13/95
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Alejandro Quiroz (qui...@cup.hp.com) wrote:
: OK. I checked my friendly, local Tower Records yesterday, and I

: found at least a dozen different versions of "Le Nozze di Figaro".
: I could have used price as a differentiator (more expensive,
: hopefully more quality), but to my dismay almost all of the CD
: albums that included a libretto cost $44.95.

: This may be an exercise in futility, but here we go... how would
: I know which one to pick? Should I look for a particular singer/
: orchestra? Would the recording company be a better criteria?
: Sorry, I'm a total opera neophite...

: I'm sure everyone will have different opinions, but, any comments
: would be appreciated.

My suggestion is to buy the Giulini recording on EMI: at mid price, only two
CD's, and moreover it's (for me, at least) the best complete nozze ever
recorded. However, if you don't mind the absence of recitatives and
the mono sound, you can buy also the first Karajan recording on EMI too:
Erik Kunz is a truly wonderful Figaro.

: Alejandro..


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Isidoro Ferrante
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Universita' di Pisa
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g.f.

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Jul 13, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/13/95
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In article <3u3tn2$v...@serra.unipi.it>,
Isidoro FERRANTE <ferr...@galileo.pi.infn.it> wrote:

>recorded. However, if you don't mind the absence of recitatives and
>the mono sound, you can buy also the first Karajan recording on EMI too:
>Erik Kunz is a truly wonderful Figaro.
>

Oh good. I'm scared to reccomend the second recording but I'll be
brave enough to second this reccomendation. It was probably my first
opera recording and I was only too happy that it didn't have the recitatives
because I didn't like all that harpsichordy plot development back then,
but I like it still because it has a delicate nature very much missin
in lots of modern recordings, besides which, Schwarzkopf as the Countess
Almaviva is heartbreaking.

What does anyone think of the (much later) record of Figaro with
Lucia Popp as Contessa?

Greg Freed
fr...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu

Ronald G. Precup

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Jul 13, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/13/95
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Pretty good. Here is a bit more literal English
translation of the main two lines (i.e., Voi che sapete
che cosa e amor, Donne, videte s'io l'ho nel cor):
> You ladies who know what love is,
> See if it is what I have in my heart.

Cherubino, the young swain, is saying he is not sure
what love is, but he will explain what he feels, and
those who know better can tell him if it is love.

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Eduardo Gabarra

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Jul 14, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/14/95
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> qui...@cup.hp.com (Alejandro Quiroz) writes:
> Mike McNally (m...@tivoli.com) wrote:
> : qui...@cup.hp.com (Alejandro Quiroz) writes:
>
> : If your wife likes that, then you should invest in the whole opera.
> : It's breathtaking. (To me, anyway. I could listen to it forever.)
>
> OK. I checked my friendly, local Tower Records yesterday, and I
> found at least a dozen different versions of "Le Nozze di Figaro".
> I could have used price as a differentiator (more expensive,
> hopefully more quality), but to my dismay almost all of the CD
> albums that included a libretto cost $44.95.

Hi, Alejandro:

Don't despair! One of the very best recordings comes with a bi-lingual libretto and costs
around $28 or $ 30. It's the HMV version conducted by Carlo Maria Giulini, with Eberhard Waechter,
Elisabeth Schwarzkopf, Giuseppe Taddei, Anna Moffo and alii. The number is CMS 7 63266 2

The excellence of this recording is not only a question of personal prefference but an opinion
frequenly encored on this board.

And, BTW, it should be quite easy to find.

Eduardo Gabarra

Alessandro Forghieri

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Jul 17, 1995, 3:00:00 AM7/17/95
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ra...@wfpc2.la.asu.edu (Ravi Sankrit) wrote:
> what??!! of all the major mozart operas, le nozze di figaro has probably
> the best libretto. (any supporters? dissenters?)

Agreed. Don Giovanni a close second (IMHO)
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