Samuel Ramey married
cathy wells
Bass Ramey Marries Soprano Larsen
SIOUX FALLS, S.D. (AP) - Operatic bass Samuel Ramey married soprano
Lindsey Rae Larsen on Saturday.
Ramey moved to Chicago a few years ago, and the couple met while
Larsen was in the chorus of the Lyric Opera of Chicago. They married
at First Lutheran Church in her hometown of Sioux Falls.
American opera singer Frederica von Stade sang during the ceremony.
"She's the most famous mezzo-soprano in the world," Ramey said in an
interview. "I couldn't believe she would come to Sioux Falls and sing
for Lindsey and me."
Ramey, 60, will return to the Metropolitan Opera in the 2002-03
season for performances in "Nabucco" and "The Rake's Progress." He
also plans to sing in Chicago, Los Angeles, Vienna, Zurich and Paris.
Larsen, 38, is studying voice and plans to travel with him, Ramey
said.
This report can also be found at
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020630/ap_on_en_mu/people_ramey_1
Karen Mercedes
younger than he actually is.
Karen Mercedes
http://www.radix.net/~dalila/index.html
______________________________________
I will sing with the spirit, and I
will sing with the understanding also.
1 Corinthians 14:15
Premiereopera
>From: Karen Mercedes dal...@radix.net
>Date: 7/1/02 6:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <Pine.GSO.4.43.020701...@saltmine.radix.net>
>
>Another case of an aging male trying to delude himself into thinking he's
>younger than he actually is.
>
>Karen Mercedes
How very presumptious of you. I don't think Sam Ramey is deluding himself at
all. Maybe he just loves her!
Ed
Michael Hetsko
Charlie Handelman
>younger than he actually is.
>
>Karen Mercedes
HEY>>I know them both and they look great together............and you know
those devlish bassos....like me......CH
My best, Charlie. Check out my website dedicated to the wonderful world
of opera, and request my huge free catalogue of live opera tapes.
Charlie Handelman
>all. Maybe he just loves her!
>
yes he does..i know Sam very well...and they are very happy together.........DO
NOT KNOCK IT TILL YOU'VE TRIED IT (and I have)
Helmut Fischer
> > >Another case of an aging male trying to delude himself into thinking
he's
> > >younger than he actually is.
> > >
> > >Karen Mercedes
> >
> > How very presumptious of you. I don't think Sam Ramey is deluding
himself
> at
> > all. Maybe he just loves her!
> >
> > Ed
>
> Yeah!!!
>
>
Couldn't agree more.
How surprised I am to read such an inappropriate mail by Mrs Mercedes whose
postings I enjoy in general. I hope she just has had a bad day...
Helmut
Dubium
"Charlie Handelman" wrote
> NOT KNOCK IT TILL YOU'VE TRIED IT (and I have)
>
Meaning that you also married Lindsay Rae Larsen? Or that you married Samuel
Ramey? Or that you sang at their wedding? Or, if I may be a little more
direct, do you have the slightest idea what you're talking about? And by the
way, as long as I am engaging your .. uh ..intellect here, your exaggerated
claim of being Sam Ramey's buddy exists only in your own mind, and your
frequent repetition of it does you no credit. Indubitably.
DDD
Matthew B. Tepper
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Operatunenity
What a nasty thing to say. I hope age will make you more charitable.
Richard Loeb
"Karen Mercedes" <dal...@radix.net> wrote in message
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NA
Knowing what I know about this world I'm gonna have to go with KM on this
one
And one can be old AND love someone AND be deluding himself into into
thinking he's younger than he really is all at the same time.
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Michael Hetsko
"NA" <ww> wrote in message news:afqvku$rr4$1...@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net...
> Ed Rosen has a good point. One can be old AND love someone.
>
> Knowing what I know about this world I'm gonna have to go with KM on this
> one
>
> And one can be old AND love someone AND be deluding himself into into
> thinking he's younger than he really is all at the same time.
>
trying to stop the onward progression of time. Cosmetics, plastic surgery,
hair tint, Rogaine, journeys seeking the fountain of youth, etc., etc., etc.
All this just so when they look in the mirror they see something younger
looking; and so when others look upon them they see youth rather than age.
If Sam R married a younger women so as to delude himself, he certainly isn't
the first person to do this, or to do other things to make one feel or look
younger than they really are.
I say, so what? The bride is 38, not a child either. (I wouldn't want to
accuse her of looking for a "father figure" just because he is old enough to
be....)
Leonard Tillman
And best,
LT
Ramifications are the proper vocal & dramatic approaches to singing the
role of....Ramfis.
Leonard Tillman
chronologically old, yet young in spirit; he can love a woman, yet hate
the way she gets fingerprints and peanut butter and grape jelly on his
CDs; He can think himself younger than his age, yet act older still;
And to top it all off, he can show up at his wedding without his
tux-trousers! *
LT
*IF he's sufficiently Farblundjet!!
--------------------
From: ww (NA)
>Ed Rosen has a good point. One can be old
> AND love someone.
>Knowing what I know about this world I'm
> gonna have to go with KM on this one
>And one can be old AND love someone AND
> be deluding himself into into thinking he's
> younger than he really is all at the same time.
>Premiereopera <premie...@aol.com>
> wrote in message
>news:20020701182831.22749.00004769@mb
>-fq.aol.com...
Charlie Handelman
>way, as long as I am engaging your .. uh ..intellect here, your
WHAT A JOIK!!!!!!!
I know Sam for over 30 years and have spent time with Lindsay and SAM..and know
plenty of people who onow them..so YOU DO NOT HAVE A CLUE..and I DOUBT IT if
you took your medicine today....get a life...CH
acar...@alaska.net
> Another case of an aging male trying to delude himself into thinking he's
> younger than he actually is.
>
> Karen Mercedes
> I will sing with the spirit, and I
> will sing with the understanding also.
> 1 Corinthians 14:15
How remarkably uncharitable - all the more so coming from one who
quotes the Bible in her signature line - in an earlier, less PC world
this remark would have been characterized as "unChristian" - referring
to the religion of compassion and charity, of course, and not that of
triumphalism
August Helmbright
stage presence and voice make him seem younger than he actually is, maybe
accounting at least in part for his new wife's initial attraction to him.
----------------------------
August Helmbright
To email me, reverse the first and last names before the @.
"Karen Mercedes" <dal...@radix.net> wrote in message
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RKBB
Good luck to both of them.
Regards,
RKBB
Rubberband Girl
Wow, he's still mighty sexy for a sexagenarian!
*giggles*
Rubberband Girl
August Helmbright
> Hell, I'm attracted to Ramey and I'm straight.....!!!
> Good luck to both of them.
Another follow up -- my daughter's first live opera was Mephistophele
in Chicago (fall 1998) with Ramey. She was 18 at the time. When I
asked her what she thought at the first intermission, she said it was
great, "Especially Samuel Ramey!" I forwarded the story about his
marriage to her via email asking if he had any idea that he's 60 years
old. I'm awaiting her reply, but I'm betting she'll be surprised.
Matthew B. Tepper
> People of all sorts and all genders have, for all time, spent a fortune
> trying to stop the onward progression of time. Cosmetics, plastic
> surgery, hair tint, Rogaine, journeys seeking the fountain of youth,
> etc., etc., etc. All this just so when they look in the mirror they see
> something younger looking; and so when others look upon them they see
> youth rather than age.
Why am I reminded of _Death in Venice_?
Operatunenity
>> trying to stop the onward progression of time. Cosmetics, plastic
>> surgery, hair tint, Rogaine, journeys seeking the fountain of youth,
>> etc., etc., etc. All this just so when they look in the mirror they see
>> something younger looking; and
>so when others look upon them they see
>> youth rather than age.
Aging is a fact of life. Youth is attractive and whether some age gracefully or
go down fighting instead, what's the difference really? Everyone has their own
way of dealing with death and aging. It's a frightful thing for practically all
of us unless one dies young.
Karen Mercedes
> "Michael Hetsko" <hetsko...@optonline.net> wrote in
> news:lA7U8.90636$5M2.3...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net:
>
> > People of all sorts and all genders have, for all time, spent a fortune
> > trying to stop the onward progression of time. Cosmetics, plastic
> > surgery, hair tint, Rogaine, journeys seeking the fountain of youth,
> > etc., etc., etc. All this just so when they look in the mirror they see
> > something younger looking; and so when others look upon them they see
> > youth rather than age.
>
> Why am I reminded of _Death in Venice_?
Or VEC MAKROPULOS?
Karen Mercedes
> Aging is a fact of life. Youth is attractive and whether some age gracefully or
> go down fighting instead, what's the difference really? Everyone has their own
> way of dealing with death and aging. It's a frightful thing for practically all
> of us unless one dies young.
I don't agree. I know that in my own case, that I've grown progressively
happier as I've grown older. I was really unhappy at 13, marginally
happier at 23, and significantly happier at 33. If this keeps up, I'll be
absolutely ecstatic by the time I hit 43.
I also wonder why dying young should be considered any less frightful than
dying old. For one thing, the cause of a young person's death is virtually
always frightful; not necessarily so with the death of the elderly. And
the unfulfilled potential of a young person's death is frightful tragedy
(which is why the deaths of children, in particular, seem most tragic of
all). By contrast, no matter how unwillingly an elderly person may
accept the end of life, it is a life that has had its chance to run to its
natural conclusion, and in which (one hopes) some or all of the
person's potential has had time and opportunity to be fulfilled (even if
the person hasn't chosen to use that time and opportunity well).
I always feel sad for people who choose to obsess over holding onto youth
- which is rather like trying to preserve a soap bubble (i.e., it can't
be done) - instead of devoting the same emotional and psychic energy to
learning how to see and enjoy the benefits of aging, to sharing the fruits
of old age with others, particularly the young, and to learning to
accept with equanimity and even embrace with joy the inevitability of
life's end. I freely admit that I may not feel the same 25 years from
now, when I reach Mr. Ramey's age, but I certainly hope and pray that I
will.
Karen Mercedes
http://www.radix.net/~dalila/index.html
---------------------------------------
With the ancient is wisdom; and in
the length of days, understanding.
- Job 12:12
Operatunenity
>If this keeps up, I'll be
>absolutely ecstatic by the time I hit 43.
I have worked a lot with older and dying people, and the slow deterioration and
lack of dignity that attends aging and dying is a reality and the attending
agony and grief that go with it more common than not, regardless of what kind
of life one has lived. Feeling death in ones bones becomes a greater reality as
one closes the gap with death, and whether or not you agree or disagree with
me, it was the mean spiritedness of your original statement that started all
this in the first place that bothered me. If it wasn't mean spiritedness and
merely lack of sensitivity, then you haven't really looked death square in the
face yet. I stand by my statement, may your future old age make you more
charitable, or at least more sensitive. I will not insult you with condscsesion
or pity and hope that we can at least let death and derioration give us all
pause to be a little more compassionate to each others impending death. It
makes us more human.
Dubium
"Karen Mercedes" <dal...@radix.net> wrote
> I always feel sad for people who choose to obsess over holding onto youth
> - which is rather like trying to preserve a soap bubble (i.e., it can't
> be done) - instead of devoting the same emotional and psychic energy to
> learning how to see and enjoy the benefits of aging, to sharing the fruits
of old age with others, particularly the young,>
That's exactly what Sam is doing, isn't it? -sharing the fruits with Ms.
Larsen.
> and to learning to
> accept with equanimity and even embrace with joy the inevitability of
> life's end. I freely admit that I may not feel the same 25 years from
> now, when I reach Mr. Ramey's age, but I certainly hope and pray that I
> will. >
I can guarantee that you will NOT. In fact, I would be comfortable making
book on it. Get back to me when you are arthritic, cancerous, alzhammered,
blind and palsied and we'll chat about the joy and fruits of aging.
Three cheers for Sam Ramey! Indubitably.
Leonard Tillman
away from fossilhood. His bride (mezzo-soprano, and vocally compatible -
what *beautiful music they can make*!), at 38, is easily old enough to
decide that this still-vital and highly personable gent is the man she
wants to spend her life with.
Nothing lamentable about this, as two adults embark on what should
be a most happy and healthy life-experience. They, and only they, have
the ability to accurately judge what's proper and fitting to their needs
- to which they have, in all likelihood, given ample consideration at
this point. Age-disparity, though to be regarded, is not the be-all,
end-all factor.
Mistakes are very often made, in any case, and they're not
restricted to couples of more "evenly matching" ages.
( BTW, did Samuel Ramey's previous marriage end with death or
divorce? It seemed to have been both long-term and a successful one,
according to old Opera News articles.
I've so far found no references to this online. )
LT
DonJose38
Another case of an aging male trying to delude himself into thinking he's
younger than he actually is.
Karen Mercedes >>
Well, Karen, let's ask the new Mrs. Ramey about that after the honeymoon....
Rob in St. Louis
DonJose38
younger than he actually is.
Karen Mercedes >>
As an aging male who will hit 40 next year, I think Mr. Ramey's 20 year age-gap
thing is just about perfect. And maybe the new Mrs. Ramey needed a daddy
figure in her life.
Rob in St. Louis
Richard Loeb
Mercedes about Ramey deluding himself - how does she know he is deluding
himself about anything - does she know him?? Or does she just assume???i
"Karen Mercedes" <dal...@radix.net> wrote in message
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Andre Storfer
Don Paolo got shoes older than that.
A.
donpaolo
Don P.
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Beth Gottschalk
people are old at 60黍r 40 for that matter誼ut I
have heard Mr. Ramey sing, and this whole thread
is downright weird.
Beth
In article <3d20b19e...@netnews.att.net>, cwel...@NOSPAMhotmail.com
(cathy wells) wrote:
> From the AP today:
>
> Bass Ramey Marries Soprano Larsen
>
> SIOUX FALLS, S.D. (AP) - Operatic bass Samuel Ramey married soprano
> Lindsey Rae Larsen on Saturday.
>
> Ramey moved to Chicago a few years ago, and the couple met while
> Larsen was in the chorus of the Lyric Opera of Chicago. They married
> at First Lutheran Church in her hometown of Sioux Falls.
>
> American opera singer Frederica von Stade sang during the ceremony.
>
> "She's the most famous mezzo-soprano in the world," Ramey said in an
> interview. "I couldn't believe she would come to Sioux Falls and sing
> for Lindsey and me."
>
> Ramey, 60, will return to the Metropolitan Opera in the 2002-03
> season for performances in "Nabucco" and "The Rake's Progress." He
> also plans to sing in Chicago, Los Angeles, Vienna, Zurich and Paris.
>
> Larsen, 38, is studying voice and plans to travel with him, Ramey
> said.
>
> This report can also be found at
>
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020630/ap_on_en_mu/people_ramey_1
Michael Hetsko
like the _Happy Gay Pride.._ (and other threads) below.
Mike H
.
"Beth Gottschalk" <bf...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> I can't believe all this. 60 is not "old"! Maybe some
> people are old at 60 > have heard Mr. Ramey sing, and this whole thread
CharlesHandelman
lucky!!!!!!!!! ch
CharlesHandelman
people on this forum......and one is as young as he/she feels..I stay young in
spirit always and feel comfortable with young people..so Sam at 60 can be
married to Lindsay who is 38....big deal.....Moree power to Sammy......he sure
has enough energy to do all those Attilas...and just think....when he does them
at home..he can take off more than just his shirt.....CH
Leonard Tillman
>Some people are jealous!!!i KNOW sAM AND
> HAVE MET HIS WIFE..AND THEY ARE
> BOTH lucky!!!!!!!!! ch
Es zoll zah'n mit Glick und Mazel Tov!!
Mark D Lew
Loeb" <loe...@comcast.net> wrote:
> This is all very interesting but it still doesn't explain the comment by Ms.
> Mercedes about Ramey deluding himself - how does she know he is deluding
> himself about anything - does she know him?? Or does she just assume???
Specificially, she claimed that Ramey's goal here is to persuade himself
that "he's younger than he actually is". I think that makes this whole
thing more complicated than it really is. It seems to me that the real goal
in cases like this is not to be younger, but to attract a woman who is
younger.
In Ramey's case there's no delusion; he's actually done it. Good for him.
mdl
michael farris
Karen Mercedes wrote:
> Another case of an aging male trying to delude himself into thinking he's
> younger than he actually is.
The more I think about this, the more it looks like an attack on his new
wife.
Why so harsh toward her? She's 38, not 18.
-michael farris
Dan Silvia
>people on this forum......
Let us be the judge as to who is mature. Take a second look at your post
below.
>"CharlesHandelman" <charlesh...@cs.com> wrote in message
>news:20020703004556...@mb-mq.news.cs.com...
>Some people are jealous!!!i KNOW sAM AND HAVE MET HIS WIFE..AND THEY ARE
BOTH
>lucky!!!!!!!!! ch
As far as your name-dropping goes, please tell someone who gives a shit.
Dan
Terrymelin
such ill things to say about someone finding love and getting married. How
sick. But I guess we already knew that about a lot of people here.
Terry Ellsworth
CharlesHandelman
>
>Dan
I always laugh (and feel somewhat compassionate) about people who need to say
nasty things like this. Many people i know are honored to know singers..are
proud of it..and many others we all know are happy to be in c0ntact with those
of us who have some closer relationship with great artists..So most people DO
GIVE A SHIT..it is just that you are an unfortunate creep who has to say
something nasty..and that is what the Internet does....it gives angry people an
anaonymous means of venting...well,it saves you on prozac.
Here is a list of singers I "know" on various levels...some close friends for
many years..others acquaintances..others I have made tapes for....etc...and so
you can see how many names I can drop:
Virginia Zeani,SamRamey,Paul Plishka,Lucine Amara,Patrice Munsel,Olivia
Stapp,Klara Barlow,Elizabeth Carron,Diana Soviero,Renata Tebaldi,Magda
Olivero,Fedora Barbieri,Alan Held,Linda and Peter Strummer,Regina
Resnik,Christine Goerke,Dmitri Hvorostovsky,Frank Guarrera,Susan Graham,Dolora
Zajick,and Stefan Zucker......so there!!!!!!!!! CH
sch...@gefen.cc.biu.ac.il
: Karen Mercedes wrote:
More to the point, why is it anybody's business except theirs?
-----
Richard Schultz sch...@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
It's a bird, it's a plane -- no, it's Mozart. . .
donpaolo
is aware of his age & could have exercised her right to refuse his proposal.
What sheer nonsense...
Donpaolo
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Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque)
Karen Mercedes wrote:
>
> Another case of an aging male trying to delude himself into thinking he's
> younger than he actually is.
Wel, she's nearly forty, which isn't all THAT "young"! Like
a number of my female acquaintances, I always preferred men
ten to twenty years my senior - and men I could respect as
musicians. (For her, Ramey undoubtedly qualifies on both
counts, and as the younger among us will discover in time,
sixty doesn't HAVE to be "old" in any way that matters!)
Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque)
NA wrote:
>
> And one can be old AND love someone AND be deluding himself into into
> thinking he's younger than he really is all at the same time.
Whatever happened to "You're only as old as you feel"? (It
would be interesting to know the ages of those who
disapprove - I'd be willing to bet there's not a one over
forty!)
Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque)
August Helmbright wrote:
>
> Say what you want, but Sam Ramey neither looks nor sounds like he's 60. His
> stage presence and voice make him seem younger than he actually is, maybe
> accounting at least in part for his new wife's initial attraction to him.
I couldn't agree more! "Age" is always relative, and has
much more to do with one's attitude toward life than one's
years. I sat in the front row when Hans Hotter did a
masterclass for the Los Angeles Opera League. The man was
approaching his ninetieth birthday, but I suspect nearly
every woman in that room, whatever her age, would have been
happy to attract his attention, romantically speaking!
(I've met men half his age who seemed to have given up on
life - he still had that alert, aware sparkle in his eyes
that indicated an alert, aware human being, still interested
in what his life might hold in store for him.)
>
> ----------------------------
> August Helmbright
> To email me, reverse the first and last names before the @.
> "Karen Mercedes" <dal...@radix.net> wrote in message
> news:Pine.GSO.4.43.020701...@saltmine.radix.net...
> > Another case of an aging male trying to delude himself into thinking he's
> > younger than he actually is.
sch...@gefen.cc.biu.ac.il
: (For her, Ramey undoubtedly qualifies on both
: counts, and as the younger among us will discover in time,
: sixty doesn't HAVE to be "old" in any way that matters!)
Didn't Beethoven once write to someone something to the effect of
"I may be an old man, but I am a *very* *young* old man!" (nudge nudge
wink wink)
-----
Richard Schultz sch...@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"That's *genius*!"
"Really? I thought it was Rachmaninov."
Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque)
Operatunenity wrote:
>
>
> Aging is a fact of life. Youth is attractive
But mostly to the young - I wouldn't go through all that
again, even if I were promised immortality as a prize!
> and whether some age gracefully or
> go down fighting instead, what's the difference really? Everyone has their own
> way of dealing with death and aging. It's a frightful thing for practically all
> of us unless one dies young.
Only if we refuse to accept life as a total experience!
(Myrna Loy said it best: "Try to relax into every time of
life - there is nothing so sad as people who cling to their
youth.")
Dubium
> >s far as your name-dropping goes, please tell someone who gives a shit.
> >
> >Dan
>
> I always laugh (and feel somewhat compassionate) about people who need to
say
> nasty things like this. Many people i know are honored to know
singers..are
> proud of it..and many others we all know are happy to be in c0ntact with
those
> of us who have some closer relationship with great artists..So most people
DO
> GIVE A SHIT..it is just that you are an unfortunate creep who has to say
> something nasty..and that is what the Internet does....it gives angry
people an
> anaonymous means of venting...well,it saves you on prozac.>
My goodness, that compassion didn't last very long, did it?
>
> Here is a list of singers I "know" on various levels...some close friends
for
> many years..others acquaintances..others I have made tapes
for....etc...and so
> you can see how many names I can drop:
>
> Virginia Zeani,SamRamey,Paul Plishka,Lucine Amara,Patrice Munsel,Olivia
> Stapp,Klara Barlow,Elizabeth Carron,Diana Soviero,Renata Tebaldi,Magda
> Olivero,Fedora Barbieri,Alan Held,Linda and Peter Strummer,Regina
> Resnik,Christine Goerke,Dmitri Hvorostovsky,Frank Guarrera,Susan
Graham,Dolora
> Zajick,and Stefan Zucker......so there!!!!!!!!! CH>
Peter Strummer? Wow!
RKBB
tresbirri
<11324-3D2...@storefull-2277.public.lawson.webtv.net>:
> BTW, did Samuel Ramey's previous marriage end with death or
>divorce? It seemed to have been both long-term and a successful one,
>according to old Opera News articles.
>
> I've so far found no references to this online.
Divorce, unhappy, and very expensive for Sam. Carrie is unhappy, but she has
made certain to be wealthy.
Mazel tov (I hope that this is correct), certainly, to all concerned.
tresbirri
Leonard Tillman
>tapef...@webtv.net ha scritto nel
> messaggio
><11324-3D2...@storefull-2277.public
>.lawson.webtv.net>:
> BTW, did Samuel Ramey's previous
> marriage end with death or divorce? It
> seemed to have been both long-term and a
> successful one, according to old Opera News
> articles.
>I've so far found no references to this online.
----------------------
>Divorce, unhappy, and very expensive for
> Sam. Carrie is unhappy, but she has made
> certain to be wealthy.
"Made certain"....yes, understood.
-- But always a sad situation for those concerned, on some or many
levels.
Yet, even so, -- life is short, and should continue, -- to "go
on", -- and as happily as it possibly can.
>Mazel tov (I hope that this is correct),
> certainly, to all concerned.
It is *exactly* correct.
>tresbirri
Leonard
Leonard Tillman
> time of life - there is nothing so sad as people
> who cling to their youth.")
A dissent: Even *the clinging to one's youth* can be attempted (if
not achieved) with some style -- but (guys) - stay the %^&% away from
anything resembling those stupid "leisure suits" of a generation ago.
They won't help your cause.
donpaolo
lucky" wardrobe????
DonP.
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Andre Storfer
Just sit there in your mules and housedress & I won't tell.
Oopsie!
AES
Leonard Tillman
From: donp...@erols.com (donpaolo)
>Not nice - you suggest that Mr. AES discard
> his entire "dress-up & get lucky"
> wardrobe????
>DonP.
Ahh! But there's no *need* to discard the purchases made with
hard-earned funds.....not when it's possible to RE-TAILOR such
*schmattes* into the nifty suit-styles of the forties and fifties, when
men were men, gals were gals ( -- quite a few still are, I notice...), -
the "threads" worn with grand distinction by Gable, "Bogie", Mature,
Grant, "Coop", Menjou, Power, Fairbanks (Sr. & Jr.), "Boston
Blackie"(Kent Taylor), etc., - the heroes of our youth (AND waaaay
before).
Leonarrrrrdo
ClasSport
My favorite posts' of Charlie's are those that take us
to places we might never get to go otherwise. I really
enjoy living vicariously through his exciting experiences
with some of the great stars.
Somehow I've missed any sense of arrogance or
flaunting in his stories.
My best, Di
Dr. Speedbyrd:>
>Leisure, Shmeisure..........
>Just sit there in your mules and housedress & I won't tell.
>Oopsie!
>AES
Shut the fuck up, you weak old frog kike!
>
>donpaolo wrote:
>>
>> Not nice - you suggest that Mr. AES discard his entire "dress-up & get
>> lucky" wardrobe????
Dr. SpeedbyrdŽ
Hallowed be my name....
Leonard Tillman
I enjoy them also. Most of us don't personally know the great
stars - or their friends - on any basis beyond getting autographs and
brief exchanges of pleasantries (most do seem quite affable, btw).
So, stories and anecdotes giving us the "feel" of knowing a
little more about them, their idiosyncrasies, and "quotable (or
*not*-so-quotable) quotes" are all to the good.
Rubberband Girl
>to places we might never get to go otherwise. I really
>enjoy living vicariously through his exciting experiences
>with some of the great stars.
>Somehow I've missed any sense of arrogance or
>flaunting in his stories.
> My best, Di
Well said, Di. That's how I always feel when reading Charlie's posts.
Thank you Charlie!
Rubberband Girl
Pineiro Boccanegra
>
> I don't agree. I know that in my own case, that I've grown progressively
> happier as I've grown older. I was really unhappy at 13, marginally
> happier at 23, and significantly happier at 33. If this keeps up, I'll be
> absolutely ecstatic by the time I hit 43. Bla Bla
> Karen Mercedes
> http://www.radix.net/~dalila/index.html
> ---------------------------------------
> With the ancient is wisdom; and in
> the length of days, understanding.
> - Job 12:12
Thanks smelly cunt
Leonard Tillman
operatic enrichment:
>Thanks smelly cunt
A belated Mama's Day greeting, for 'yo Mama? No doubt - and
repeatedly mis-sent to RMO.
L "CMS,C" T
(Emergency PS: This Peeeeenie, may actually be a faux Peeeeenie, -- as
the "real" one is the faux Helmut..........and so..... the RMO-plot
thickens, and thickens....and thi....)
Jonathan Sydenham
the thing is that when you reach 60 you won't feel any "older" than you do
today. Or when you were 23. Or 33. When you look at a wrinkled 80 year old
face on a stooped old lady and she looks at you, check out the twinkle in
her eye. She's probably just a young person in an old body. As for SR, 60
isn't even physically "old" these days.
Jonathan
"Karen Mercedes" <dal...@radix.net> wrote in message
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>
> > Aging is a fact of life. Youth is attractive and whether some age
gracefully or
> > go down fighting instead, what's the difference really? Everyone has
their own
> > way of dealing with death and aging. It's a frightful thing for
practically all
> > of us unless one dies young.
>
>
> happier as I've grown older. I was really unhappy at 13, marginally
> happier at 23, and significantly happier at 33. If this keeps up, I'll be
> absolutely ecstatic by the time I hit 43.
>
> dying old. For one thing, the cause of a young person's death is virtually
> always frightful; not necessarily so with the death of the elderly. And
> the unfulfilled potential of a young person's death is frightful tragedy
> (which is why the deaths of children, in particular, seem most tragic of
> all). By contrast, no matter how unwillingly an elderly person may
> accept the end of life, it is a life that has had its chance to run to its
> natural conclusion, and in which (one hopes) some or all of the
> person's potential has had time and opportunity to be fulfilled (even if
> the person hasn't chosen to use that time and opportunity well).
>
> I always feel sad for people who choose to obsess over holding onto youth
> - which is rather like trying to preserve a soap bubble (i.e., it can't
> be done) - instead of devoting the same emotional and psychic energy to
> learning how to see and enjoy the benefits of aging, to sharing the fruits
> of old age with others, particularly the young, and to learning to
> accept with equanimity and even embrace with joy the inevitability of
> life's end. I freely admit that I may not feel the same 25 years from
> now, when I reach Mr. Ramey's age, but I certainly hope and pray that I
> will.