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Was Kathleen Battle miked at the Met?

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NWDixieboy

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May 11, 2003, 1:45:53 AM5/11/03
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I heard rumors that Battle was miked when she sang at the Met as she
had such a small voice. Does anybody know if this was the case. I
heard her in concert and I didn't think she was miked and it carried
well in my opinion. I know she must have been miked in the Spirituals
Concert with Jessye Norman as she sounded almost as loud as Jessye in
the balance of sound and that just can't be because La Norman had a
huge instrument.
John

Elisa

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May 11, 2003, 2:17:06 AM5/11/03
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j.ro...@attbi.com (NWDixieboy) wrote:

I seriously doubt that she was miked at the Met. I've never been there, but I
heard her twice in a large-theater concert: 3000 seats, piano accompaniment.
Her voice carried well--small, but very well-produced and beautiful, in my
opinion.

Notice that, as far as I know, she limited her roles to ones where the
orchestra wouldn't swamp her.

--

To reply directly, remove the obvious

J.Venning

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"Elisa" <rogue...@aol.comdiespam> wrote in message
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>I seriously doubt that she was miked at the Met. I've never been there, but
I
> heard her twice in a large-theater concert: 3000 seats, piano
accompaniment.
> Her voice carried well--small, but very well-produced and beautiful, in my
> opinion.
> Notice that, as far as I know, she limited her roles to ones where the
> orchestra wouldn't swamp her.

Where is she singing at present? I remember reading a Newsweek article about
the trouble she had at the Met in connection with her character and
behaviour.
J.


Evi

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May 11, 2003, 4:20:24 AM5/11/03
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What kind of trouble, John?
Evi


J.Venning

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"Evi" <evw...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> What kind of trouble, John?
> Evi

There was a two-page article about her in Newsweek some years ago, when she
was fired from The Met. Apparently she was impossible to get along with or
to work with. They listed a series of unpleasant incidences when she simply
wanted to push her weight around as the centre of the universe. The one
incident I remember reading from that article was when she was rehearsing
with a Met repetiteur: she didn't want to sing out, so she sang her lines in
her head, and at some point she bashed her vocal score on the head of the
repetiteur, and shouted at him that he was playing faster than she was
singing.
J.


Mitchell Kaufman

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May 11, 2003, 5:21:29 AM5/11/03
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"NWDixieboy" <j.ro...@attbi.com> wrote:

I never got the impression that she was miked at the Met; it was one of those
small voices that carries well in a large space, as you state. As for Norman,
her voice wasn't as powerful as her sound might lead one to believe. I found it
to be of average size and carrying power, and quite a bit less impactful than
I'd expected, though still, on an absolute basis, bigger than Battle's
(obviously). I'd liken Norman's voice in the theatre to that of Domingo in the
'70s and '80s: a dark, dramatic, but somewhat recessed sound, lacking the bright
cutting edge that would facilitate its audibility in a large venue like the Met.

That was a nice concert, BTW.

MK


Drakejake

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May 11, 2003, 9:14:54 AM5/11/03
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>I remember reading a Newsweek article
>about
>> the trouble she had at the Met in connection with her character and
>> behaviour.
>> J.
>What kind of trouble, John?
>Evi

Putting it very simply, Battle is nuts. She screwed around with the Met until
they fired her. Examples reported in the media: she dictated rehearsal
schedules and then didn't show up or came late. She demanded that other cast
members not look at her. She screamed at colleagues, took over a dressing room
assigned to another. Called America from Europe while in a car to complain
that her driver was annoying her. I can't remember all the details, and this
is over a period of years at various places, not just at the Met. Volpe
rightly decided that she was hurting the company and had to go. There are many
skilled, gifted people there, and they shouldn't be forced to put up with her
nonsense.

My take is that that she is severely neurotic, suffers from great personal
fears, and deals with these problems by being difficult and nasty. At the
root, she may feel guilty about her success in a white world and is
self-destructing to punish herself. Just speculation. S

Since the departure from the Met, I think she has been primarily a concert
artist and probably does pretty well on that track. She is very talented so it
is a shame that she has chosen to mibehave in these ways. The Alagnas should
be warned!

JD

susurrus

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May 11, 2003, 9:54:17 AM5/11/03
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"Drakejake" <drak...@aol.com> wrote

> Putting it very simply, Battle is nuts. She screwed around with the Met
until
> they fired her. >

Those uppity black folks need to be taught a lesson when they get out of
place.

Examples reported in the media: <>

Then they must be true.

> My take is that that she is severely neurotic, suffers from great personal
> fears, and deals with these problems by being difficult and nasty. >

Not just nuts? For a minute there I thought you were talking about me.

> At the root, she may feel guilty about her success in a white world and is
> self-destructing to punish herself. >

On the other hand she may just have a low tolerance for bullshit.

>Just speculation. >

Now you're talkin'.

> The Alagnas should be warned! >

Matthew and Evelyn are handling that part.

susurrus


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May 11, 2003, 10:00:51 AM5/11/03
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You are really a stupid/ignorant asshole bollman.
"susurrus" <susu...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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>
> >
>
> Those uppity black folks need to be taught a lesson when they get out of
> place.
>

> susurrus
>
>

NWDixieboy

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May 11, 2003, 10:41:30 AM5/11/03
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"Mitchell Kaufman" <forg...@iaint.disclosinit> wrote in message news:<tCova.14832$rV2....@nwrdny01.gnilink.net>...
Thanks for the responses. Makes sense. At present she seems to be the
darling of the Pacific Northwest, as she has had several concerts in
Seattle and Tacoma in the past couple of years. I saw her about 7
years ago and was very pleased with the concert then. My God, is she
beautiful on stage!

A Tsar Is Born

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May 11, 2003, 10:51:13 AM5/11/03
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She was not miked at the Met; no singer has ever been miked at the Met
except during rock n roll events. The Met has no facilities for
projecting miked voices into the theater -- it was built without any
such facilities, and they have not been installed. Any attempt to mike
a voice in the Met would be instantly obvious to everyone in the
audience, even assuming that (uniquely among theaters) there were
never any hitches, drop-outs, sudden bursts of feedback in the Met
system. There would have to be speakers somewhere, and the voice would
be coming from them -- there are no speakers in the auditorium, and
the voices come from the mouths of the performers. The reason there
has never been an electronic mishap at the Met is that the Met does
not have an electronic system. When they need a microphone (i.e., for
someone making an announcement from the stage), a microphone on a cord
has to be brought out onto the stage.

The Met has excellent acoustics. If a singer knows how to sing
properly, to project properly, she or he will be clearly audible
throughout the auditorium. This was certainly true for Battle, who
took care however never to take a role there that would have required
her to sing over a large orchestra -- her debut in Tannhauser (which I
attended) was as the shepherd, who sings over a single oboe (or is it
an English horn?). She never sang Sophie at the Met, only on tour, in
much smaller theaters.

Everyone wants to believe the Met cheats because so many other opera
houses cheat, and because so many singers nowadays (ALL the pop ones)
do not know how to sing properly. If you know how to sing properly,
you don't need a mike.

There was some discussion a few years ago when Jane Eaglen sang
Turandot, among people who noticed that Hei-kyung Hong, as Liu,
sounded louder than Eaglen did. This was not due to miking; it was
because Hong knows how to sing and Eaglen does not.

Hans Lick

Leonard Tillman

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May 11, 2003, 11:03:59 AM5/11/03
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>She demanded that other cast members not
> look at her.

Now, THAT is a totally unreasonable demand! Part of KB's attraction
is her appearance. Did anyone actually obey her wishes?

>She screamed at colleagues, took over a
> dressing room assigned to another.

Not the most advisable techniques for achieving harmony.

>Called America from Europe while in a car to
> complain that her driver was annoying her.

But *was* he actually annoying her? The Cad! ("One really never
KNOW, -- do one?")

L "Benefit of doubt" T

Michael Hetsko

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May 11, 2003, 11:39:17 AM5/11/03
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"NWDixieboy" <j.ro...@attbi.com> wrote in message
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> I heard rumors that Battle was miked when she sang at the Met


Sometimes people think that because there are mikes present when opera
broadcasts take place, that this means the sound is electronically amplified
into the house. Not true. I have been to the Met many, many times and
never have I suspected that something was being electronically "broadcast"
into the house; no static, no feedback, no hiss, pops, etc, etc. I have
seen plenty of other technical clitches, e.g. lights falling onto the stage,
scenery moving when it wasn't supposed to, and, of course, the most common
glitch, singers missing notes, but never a electronically enhanced sound
(unless it was a speaker who was standing in front of a microphone).

Certainly Battle hasn't been miked at the Met, not just because of the fact
that they don' t do that, but also bacause it has been quite a while now
since she sang there. Will be interesting to see if she ever sings there
again.

Now, the City Opera at the NY State Theatre, IS using miked sound.


dtritter

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May 10, 2003, 12:16:54 PM5/10/03
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no,she wasn't, but considering her inaudibilty on some evenings i
attended, maybe it wouldn't have been a bad idea.

dft

dtritter

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May 10, 2003, 12:46:51 PM5/10/03
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it may be unpleasant news to scotto fans, but that diva tried the same
stunt on marilyn horne, who was the leading lady of "le prophete," at
the dress hearsal of the then new production [1977] at the met. after
the stink raised by horne, miss scotto never tried it again.

dft

Leonard Tillman

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May 11, 2003, 2:14:06 PM5/11/03
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JD wrote:
>She screamed at colleagues, took over a
>dressing room assigned to another.

LT wrote:
        "  Not the most advisable techniques for
achieving harmony. "

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DFT wrote:
>it may be unpleasant news to scotto fans, but
> that diva tried the same stunt on marilyn
> horne, who was the leading lady of "le
> prophete," at the dress hearsal of the then
> new production [1977] at the met. after the
> stink raised by horne, miss scotto never tried
> it again.
>dft

Not a very good idea to mess with Marilyn.
Why did she even try?

Perhaps KB also needed a tough Mezzo colleague to keep her on the
straight and narrow....minding her "Ps & Qs", etc.

LT

J.Venning

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>minding her "Ps & Qs",<

Though that's just an unimportant technicallity.
J.

Matthew B. Tepper (posts from uswest.net are forged)

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> Thanks for the responses. Makes sense. At present she seems to be the
> darling of the Pacific Northwest, as she has had several concerts in
> Seattle and Tacoma in the past couple of years. I saw her about 7 years
> ago and was very pleased with the concert then. My God, is she beautiful
> on stage!

Maybe so, but I wouldn't want to go antiquing with her. See
http://tinyurl.com/bi1i .

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Leonard Tillman

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From: Ven...@tdcadsl.dk (J.Venning)

(As Ravenal sang in "Show Boat".)

But so much more impressive than mere Cs, Ds, Es, and Fs..

Yma Sumac, herself, would have failed that test.

Leonard Tillman

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May 11, 2003, 4:34:22 PM5/11/03
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No she wasn't. The Met has a huge staff of people working backstage
and trust me anyone trying to sing with a mike would be outed in about 3
seconds. In order to do this the dressers would have to know in order
to place the microphone on the singer's person, and who gossips more
than dressers??? :) Well the male tech crew, that's who, and they
would need to set up the body mike, transmitter and speakers. So rest
assured no one will ever get away with it without the public knowing.

Battle's voice was small, but it had enough of an edge to project
reasonably well at the Met. It's the warmer, mezzo type voices that
tend to get lost there.

EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)

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May 11, 2003, 5:28:23 PM5/11/03
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Michael Hetsko wrote:
>
> "NWDixieboy" <j.ro...@attbi.com> wrote in message
> news:44790668.03051...@posting.google.com...
> > I heard rumors that Battle was miked when she sang at the Met
>
> Sometimes people think that because there are mikes present when opera
> broadcasts take place, that this means the sound is electronically amplified
> into the house.

I think, nowadays, many opera companies "feed" the performance sound
backstage for the benefit of the stagecrew (with or without earphones),
in the interest of correct timing for stuff that cannot be done from the
control booth out front. All the acoustical engineering used in
constructing concert halls and opera houses is concentrated upon
projecting sound outward into the auditorium, so it often is difficult
to hear it backstage. Also, some companies "broadcast" the performance
into the lobbies for the benefit of late-comers, since most houses will
no longer seat patrons while the performance is in progress.

EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)

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NWDixieboy wrote:
>

> Thanks for the responses. Makes sense. At present she seems to be the
> darling of the Pacific Northwest, as she has had several concerts in
> Seattle and Tacoma in the past couple of years. I saw her about 7
> years ago and was very pleased with the concert then. My God, is she
> beautiful on stage!

Only if you're far enough away not to be distracted by the dreadful
grimaces she makes! It doesn't seem to hurt the sound any, but she
should have studied with one voice teacher I had, whose primary precept
was: "Singing should first LOOK good, second FEEL good, and only then
do you worry about whether it SOUNDS good."

susurrus

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"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evg...@earthlink.net> wrote


> It doesn't seem to hurt the sound any, but she
> should have studied with one voice teacher I had, whose primary precept
> was: "Singing should first LOOK good, second FEEL good, and only then
> do you worry about whether it SOUNDS good.">

Evelyn, that is some of the goofiest advice I've ever heard. It's
ass-backwards.
Lovingly,
susurrus


dtritter

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May 10, 2003, 8:40:29 PM5/10/03
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now take that, friends, from one whose ass is indeed backwards and
clogged by the presence there of his head. if you had a like problem,
you'd ssssssttttttt-tttttttttttttttter ttttttttoo. bollman, your vocal
pedagogy is past its prime, and your head is still up your ass.

dft

alexis du champignon

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May 11, 2003, 11:27:19 PM5/11/03
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Evelyn, dear...is this the same voice teacher who catapulted you to
that wildy succesful operatic career of yours?

-AdC

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Evi

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May 11, 2003, 11:45:05 PM5/11/03
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I imagine that the teacher assumed that the singer already had a pretty good
voice. When the Operatunity series was on UK TV, many of the singers did
have some strange facial expressions when they were singing and I did find
it distracting. One lady sang with a sort of wide-faced smile even when she
was singing about something tragic. I found that I had to avoid looking at
her to enjoy the music.
Evi

EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)

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alexis du champignon wrote:
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> Evelyn, dear...is this the same voice teacher who catapulted you to
> that wildy succesful operatic career of yours?

Ho-hum - the fungus is amongus again!

EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)

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Evi wrote:
>
> I imagine that the teacher assumed that the singer already had a pretty good
> voice. When the Operatunity series was on UK TV, many of the singers did
> have some strange facial expressions when they were singing and I did find
> it distracting. One lady sang with a sort of wide-faced smile even when she
> was singing about something tragic. I found that I had to avoid looking at
> her to enjoy the music.
> Evi

Usually that sort of thing indicates tension elsewhere in the vocal
mechanism (especially the "fixed smile") but that does not seem to be
the case with Battle. I notice a good many singers - baritones
especially, for some reason - kind of skew their lower jaw sideways when
they sing, with no apparent effect upon the sound. I've often wondered
whether it might simply be a basic asymmetry in the jaw itself -
everyone's left and right sides are slightly different in appearance
(that's why actors insist upon being photographed from their "good"
side).

Evi

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"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evg...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Yes, tension would fit in. The singers were 'newbies'.
I saw Mario Lanzo doing that jaw thing in one of his films although his
normal expression was one of Mummy's-darling-boy-smug-self-satisfaction. (I
still liked his voice though).
Evi


Parterrebox

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>She demanded that other cast members not look at her.

No, actually the incident as reported was that Battle said her cover Harolyn
Blackwell was staring at her mouth, which made her (i.e., Battle)
uncomfortable.

Commspkmn

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parte...@aol.com wrote:
<< No, actually the incident as reported was that Battle said her cover Harolyn
Blackwell was staring at her mouth, which made her (i.e., Battle)
uncomfortable. >>

After seeing some of the grimaces Kathleen Battle can make while singing, I
suspect it made Harolyn Blackwell uncomfortable, too.
Best,
Ken

Leonard Tillman

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The latter *may* be shuddering about it, -- to this very day..

Only a guess, of course.

In fairness, each - IMO - did some very fine singing.

Leonard Tillman
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take Novocain. This was because he wanted to.... ........transcend
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I heard it from a part-time Maharishi, who dabbles in other faiths.

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Perhaps Miss Battle is in need of a new hat for the summer. If I only
could find out her size, I would know how much aluminum foil to use.

skip

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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)

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Maybe if she didn't make those ugly grimaces with it when she sings, Ms.
Blackwell would have had no reason to stare? (She was probably trying
to figure out how anyone can do that, and still sound good.)

Parterrebox

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> Maybe if she didn't make those ugly grimaces with it when she sings, Ms.
Blackwell would have had no reason to stare?

The point here is that Ms. Battle surely already felt self-conscious about her
"grimaces" and so was unnerved when she felt like Ms. Blackwell was staring at
her.

It's not like Battle just walked into the room and announced, "No one is
allowed to look at my mouth." She was nervous, and she lashed out, which of
course is bad form and all that, but it's not sheer "evil;" rather a function
of feelings of insecurity.

skip

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And a serious mental problem that has never been addressed.
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Commspkmn

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parte...@aol.com wrote:
<< It's not like Battle just walked into the room and announced, "No one is
allowed to look at my mouth." She was nervous, and she lashed out, which of
course is bad form and all that, but it's not sheer "evil;" rather a function
of feelings of insecurity. >>

Did someone here suggest that Battle was "evil" for making such a demand?
Best,
Ken

Parterrebox

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May 15, 2003, 1:55:16 PM5/15/03
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> Did someone here suggest that Battle was "evil" for making such a demand?

No, but there was no background given, so the action seemed particularly
capricious and arbitrary, therefore "evil" in the sense that Battle
deliberately chose to do something disruptive.

I prefer to see these things in context: not madness or evil, but rather a
sadly failed attempt to cope with a very stressful situation.

Commspkmn

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parte...@aol.com wrote:
<< I prefer to see these things in context: not madness or evil, but rather a
sadly failed attempt to cope with a very stressful situation. >>

I certainly saw nothing evil in what Battle did (self-centered, unprofessional,
and capricious, yes). But not evil.
Thanks for the clarification.
Best,
Ken

Matthew B. Tepper (posts from uswest.net are forged)

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I apologize for my earlier "aluminum foil" remark, amusing though it was to
make a flippant post at the moment. In what fashion did Miss Battle
express her discomfiture regarding Ms. Blackwell?

Parterrebox

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May 15, 2003, 4:09:21 PM5/15/03
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> In what fashion did Miss Battle
express her discomfiture regarding Ms. Blackwell?

As I recall, she complained to some member of the Met's artistic staff (coach
or whatever), "Tell her to stop staring at my mouth."

comes...@hotmail.com

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Mental and emotional illness is the most prevalent disorder in the
United States. I don't know if this is indeed Ms Battle's problem, but
if so, it isn't her *fault*, and I for one don't get off on hearing her
being beaten up for it. Maybe some of you guys can find someone with
cancer or diabetes to joke about for a change.

~ Roger

J.D.G.

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Being a BITCH (what Ms. Battle was fired from the Met for) is not a
clinical disorder.

J

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J.Venning

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"Parterrebox" <parte...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Here are some more Kathleen Battle incidenys:
http://bassocantante.com/bbs/messages/102.html
J.


J.Venning

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"Parterrebox" <parte...@aol.com> wrote in message
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And here's a dry little news article about it:
http://www.redludwig.com/news/archive/071801.html
J.


REG

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LOL!

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REG

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You're volunteering?

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REG

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May 15, 2003, 8:48:07 PM5/15/03
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We'll try to keep that in mind when we think of you.

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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)

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May 15, 2003, 9:31:31 PM5/15/03
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"J.D.G." wrote:
>
> Being a BITCH (what Ms. Battle was fired from the Met for) is not a
> clinical disorder.

True, but it can be a symptom of mental and emotional problems. (aka
"menopause"?)

HelenMynrd

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May 15, 2003, 11:49:52 PM5/15/03
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Hey..how about...plastic instead of aluminum??????? Love ya.....and she does
many strange contortions with the mouth and face.....for sure...
..uncomfortable to watch...I would kill my students if they looked like
that....I make them watch themselves in the mirror and if they can stand
it....well.....(I may have said this before) ....but there is no need to look
weird when you sing!...Hugs.. ...Sing!.....Helen>>>She demanded that other

cast members not look at her.


Matthew wrote ...and others..:

M. Slater

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May 16, 2003, 2:53:44 AM5/16/03
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>From: helen...@aol.com (HelenMynrd)

>Hey..how about...plastic instead of aluminum??????? Love ya.....and she does
>many strange contortions with the mouth and face.....for sure...
>..uncomfortable to watch...I would kill my students if they looked like
>that..

Darling Helen,
Make your students listen to Kathy Battle's Zerbinetta, Levine conducting. Who
cares what her face looks like? That is some great singing.


Mark

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May 16, 2003, 6:50:24 AM5/16/03
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Ditto!!
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May 16, 2003, 6:51:50 AM5/16/03
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It wasn't always great singing live.................
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J.Venning

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May 16, 2003, 7:12:45 AM5/16/03
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> > comes...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > Mental and emotional illness is the most prevalent disorder in the
> > > United States. I don't know if this is indeed Ms Battle's problem, but
> > > if so, it isn't her *fault*, and I for one don't get off on hearing
her
> > > being beaten up for it. Maybe some of you guys can find someone with
> > > cancer or diabetes to joke about for a change.
> > > ~ Roger

It is perhaps not Ms Battle's fault that she suffers from what you choose to
call a mental or emotional illness, but her outrageous and unacceptable
treatment of fellow singers and technical staff is. If a celebrity were to
go around mistreating and insulting people because of his/her cancer or
diabetes, as you have suggested, then he/she certainly deserves to be
ridiculed.
J.


parterre box

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May 16, 2003, 8:30:54 AM5/16/03
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Slater:

> Whocares what her face looks like?

Anyone who attends the opera with the notion that the experience should be
dramatic as well as musical, perhaps?

Further, those faces she pulled are symptomatic of body tension which is
generally thought to be hazardous to the voice. In fact, by the time Ms.
Battle was making all those strange faces, the highest part of her voice was
turning hard and unreliable.

But you just sit home and listen to those pretty noises on the little
plastic discs, honey. We know that's all "opera" means to you.


Leonard Tillman

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May 16, 2003, 8:48:41 AM5/16/03
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>Mental and emotional illness is the most
> prevalent disorder in the United States. I don't
> know if this is indeed Ms Battle's problem, but
> if so, it isn't her *fault*, and I for one don't get
> off on hearing her being beaten up for it.
> Maybe some of you guys can find someone
> with cancer or diabetes to joke about for a
> change.

>~ Roger
--------------------


>It is perhaps not Ms Battle's fault that she
> suffers from what you choose to call a mental
> or emotional illness, but her outrageous and
> unacceptable treatment of fellow singers and
> technical staff is. If a celebrity were to go
> around mistreating and insulting people
> because of his/her cancer or diabetes, as you
> have suggested, then he/she certainly
> deserves to be ridiculed.

>J.


When aggressive, hurtful behaviors stem from physical causes,
they're perceived by most as being "less" blameworthy than actions
resulting from mental disorders -- which although genuine illnesses
themselves, -- are regarded by most as "character deficiencies", since
unlike those of a physical nature, they are not as plainly visible to
onlookers. So, the responses are unsympathetic, especially from those
they've offended.

That hasn't significantly changed, even with more information
currently dispensed in the media.

It's sad that this diva of great talent, beauty, and one of the
finest lyric-coloratura voices I've heard, has -- according to the
stories told -- not been equally gifted with the social skills needed
to get along harmoniously with colleagues and staff.

LT

M. Slater

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May 16, 2003, 10:55:57 AM5/16/03
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P-box:

>But you just sit home and listen to those pretty noises on the little
>plastic discs, honey. We know that's all "opera" means to you.

"We" want to know what opera means to you, honey. Sounds like an
obsessive-compulsive fixation to "us".


Mark

daniel f. tritter

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May 16, 2003, 12:28:35 PM5/16/03
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"M. Slater" wrote:

tell that to the half of the opera house to whom she was inaudible.

dft

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May 16, 2003, 2:45:23 PM5/16/03
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only half?
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M. Slater

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May 17, 2003, 11:09:03 AM5/17/03
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>From: "parterre box"

>But you just sit home and listen to those pretty noises on the little
>plastic discs, honey. We know that's all "opera" means to you.

Just what the hell is this supposed to mean? Pretty little noises? I suppose it
means P-box is in the opera trenches every day listening to all those ugly
little noises, too.


Mark

GKAllen

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May 17, 2003, 2:12:21 PM5/17/03
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parte...@aol.com (Parterrebox) wrote in message news:<20030515160921...@mb-m25.aol.com>...

Harolyn Blackwell wasn't the first to receive that command from La
Battle. She did the same to Te Kanawa, as one can read on pp. 265-67
(paperback edition) of "Kiri - Her Unsung Story."

Page 266 also includes a summary of Battle's divaesque practices:

"Battle could not bring herself to share limousines with other
singers, once refused to sing at the Lincoln Center unless her
dressing room was equipped with a bigger bar of soap, and physically
removed conductor Trevor Pinnnock from his podium during a Handel
rehearsal. ... Battle would later send awway the limousine
dispatched to deliver her to President Clinton's inauguration because
it was 'not long enough'."

Gary

M. Slater

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May 17, 2003, 2:25:08 PM5/17/03
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>From: gkal...@sbcglobal.net (GKAllen)
>Date: 5/17/2003 2:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time

> Battle would later send awway the limousine
>dispatched to deliver her to President Clinton's inauguration because
>it was 'not long enough'."

The funniest episode was her calling her manager in New York to tell him to
call the driver of her car and tell him to turn off the air-conditioning.


Mark

parterre box

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May 17, 2003, 7:48:25 PM5/17/03
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M. Slater

>Just what the hell is this supposed to mean? Pretty little noises?

In other words, buster, your response makes you sound like a Stimmqueen, a
fan who's only interested in hearing pretty voices. Undeniably Battle's
voice was superbly lovely, but, to many who attended her live performances
in the late 1980s, the facial contortions were very distracting. In fact,
those grimaces completely disconnected Battle from the character and
dramatic situation. I certainly saw that in her Cleopatra, Zerbinetta and
Amina. Earlier on, in the less stratospheric role of Susanna, she was
enchanting both vocally and visually.

Of course, if your experience of her singing is limited to CDs, you don't
have the grimaces distracting you.


Mark D Lew

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May 17, 2003, 8:31:09 PM5/17/03
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In article <20030517110903...@mb-m03.aol.com>,
harpsic...@aol.community (M. Slater) wrote:

I assumed he's implying that you only listen to audio recordings and aren't
interested in live performances.

mdl

M. Slater

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May 18, 2003, 1:25:00 AM5/18/03
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>Subject: Re: Bizarre Putdown (Kathleen Battle Problems)
>From: mark...@earthlink.net (Mark D Lew)
>Date: 5/17/2003 8:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <markdlew-ya0240800...@news.earthlink.net>

>I assumed he's implying that you only listen to audio recordings and aren't
>interested in live performances.
>

Oh, Mark, I see what you mean. I have a large collection of studio recordings,
if that is what you (and he) mean. As far as live performances go, I'd rather
be there in the auditorium. I've purchased far too many Opera D'Oro recordings
that plain out suck. I type this while listening to an absoulutely captivating
recording from the radio of a 1949 Salome at the Met with Ljuba Welitsch that a
customer of mine burned for me. Unfortunately, I don't live in the epicenter of
the opera world (New York City) like Jane Jorden does. Many people who post
here live elsewhere, also. Love of opera can be indulged in many ways. After 30
years of attending live opera, I have become picky about what I will fork over
$150-$250 for to see live. Studio recordings, of which there a many to choose
from, afford a good audio experience. This is important to me.


Mark

Vocedipetto

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May 18, 2003, 9:16:58 AM5/18/03
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> I certainly saw that in her Cleopatra, Zerbinetta and Amina.

Battle never sang Sonnambula did she? ....perhaps you meant Adina.
Best,
Steven

parterre box

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May 18, 2003, 11:02:51 AM5/18/03
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Yes, Adina -- I always get those girls confused.


Vocedipetto

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May 18, 2003, 11:21:17 AM5/18/03
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>Yes, Adina -- I always get those girls confused.

Easy to do....so many 'inas' out there!
BTW, did Battle record any Sonnambula on her Bel Canto disc? Can't remember.
Best,
Steven

Rubberband Girl

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May 20, 2003, 7:35:14 AM5/20/03
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Yep, IIRC, she recorded the Ah! non credea... Ah! non giunge.
Is very nice but her top isn't all that pretty. And I always feel like
yelling at her to SING OUT!

Rubberband Girl

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