Richard Bonynge Personal Life Question

[SeattleJohn]

I got the strong feeling that Bonynge was bisexual and heard rumors
that he was fairly open about it behind the scenes, traveling with
Joan and a boyfriend. Has anyone else heard anything about this. One
never got any hint about a rocky relationship with Joan.

[A21²]

You might want to reconsider pursuing such a question in a public
forum about a living person, particularly one who is a Commander of
the Order of the British Empire.

Ancona21

[SeattleJohn]

> Anconada
I would withdraw the question if you think I should but I see no
options to do so.

[rich...@gmail.com]

So much has been said on this group about the personal lives of
participants here that I find the concern about Mr. Bonynge's privacy
completely senseless, and I'm not sure what his having an OBE would
add to any concerns that existed. Typically, the people who have been
most closeted (sic) about their own identies have spent the most time
here trying to expose others. Usually, if you have something to hide,
the old rule is, you try to expose others, and that's always been the
case here as well. I wouldn't much worry about the appropriateness of
the question here. Again, I don't have an OBE, so perhaps it's a
little different, but that's my perspective. Don't feel apologetic
about the question. I don't know what the answer it - the rumors have
been that he is gay, but I have no information about it, and these are
things on which urban wisdom is usually more the former than the
later.

All best

[A21²]

On Nov 14, 7:43 am, "richer...@hotnail.com" <richer...@gmail.com>
wrote:

What are you trying to say?
A21

[Steve Silverman]

In 2011, do we really believe that anybody would be so crass as to sue for
being called gay?

Steve Silverman

[rich...@gmail.com]

> A21- Hide quoted text -
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Precisely what I said.

[rich...@gmail.com]

On Nov 14, 9:21 am, "Steve Silverman" <SteveChaff...@btinternet.com>
wrote:

> In 2011, do we really believe that anybody would be so crass as to sue for
> being called gay?
>
> Steve Silverman

Besides Tom Cruise?

No.

And remember how meaningless those suit are. Famously, in the 50s,
Liberace sued in England for a columnist's implications that he was
gay - the phrase was something like "a quivering heap of mother love"
or something else, and under English libel laws, Liberace actually
won. I'm not making this up, you know.

In any event, I always thought that bisexuality was required for
getting on OBE. In fact, that's what I was told was standing int he
way of my receiving it, and so now I am in line for a DBE instead.

[Steve Silverman]

"rich...@hotnail.com" wrote in message
news:1d8efb4d-28fa-457a...@3g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...

> And remember how meaningless those suit are. Famously, in the 50s,
> Liberace sued in England for a columnist's implications that he was
> gay - the phrase was something like "a quivering heap of mother love"
> or something else, and under English libel laws, Liberace actually
> won.

Quite right too. There's no way Liberace was gay.

Steve Silverman

[wagnerfan]

On the Liberace case it was one of the many Confidential megazine
articles that accused stars of being "homos". In his case the article
was called "Mad about the boy" and discussed how he was fixated on a
young Brit.The magazine also ended the career of Lizbeth Scott and
almost ruined the career of Rock Hudson (the studio gave them some
dirt on Rory Calhoun instead). He was one a few stars,most famously
Maureen o'Hara who initiated lawsuits that cost the magazine so much
money they changed their format and went under. Their was a very
good British documentary on the history of the magazine that I
converted to DVD. The magazine held a grip of terror on Hollywood in
its heyday. Wagner Fan

[rich...@gmail.com]

On Nov 14, 10:43 am, wagnerfan <ivanmax...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 06:43:56 -0800 (PST), "richer...@hotnail.com"

> its heyday.  Wagner Fan- Hide quoted text -

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Thanks, I had no idea.

[A21²]

On Nov 14, 9:44 am, "richer...@hotnail.com" <richer...@gmail.com>

You don't think it was a bit murky?
A21

[EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)]

According to rumors, back in the early days of her prominence, it was a
"marriage made in heaven" because both preferred their own genders.
Dunno if it was true or not, and really, who cares? (It certainly has
no relevance to the greatness of either of them, does it?)

[EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)]

Why? That sort of speculation "in a public forum" seems to be rife
about almost ANY public persona, whatever their field. (Although what
sexual preferences and/or promiscuity have to do with ability in their
chosen careers seems totally irrelevant, and nobody's business but their
own!)

[EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)]

rich...@hotnail.com wrote:
> On Nov 13, 8:17 pm, SeattleJohn <johnrsayshe...@live.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 13, 3:48 pm, A21² <ancon...@gmail.com> wrote:> On Nov 13, 6:17 pm, SeattleJohn <johnrsayshe...@live.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> I got the strong feeling that Bonynge was bisexual and heard rumors
>>>> that he was fairly open about it behind the scenes, traveling with
>>>> Joan and a boyfriend. Has anyone else heard anything about this. One
>>>> never got any hint about a rocky relationship with Joan.
>>> You might want to reconsider pursuing such a question in a public
>>> forum about a living person, particularly one who is a Commander of
>>> the Order of the British Empire.
>>> Anconada
>> I would withdraw the question if you think I should but I see no
>> options to do so.
>
> So much has been said on this group about the personal lives of
> participants here that I find the concern about Mr. Bonynge's privacy
> completely senseless, and I'm not sure what his having an OBE would
> add to any concerns that existed.

Pardon me for nit-picking, but I thought the OBE was HERS, not HIS!

[EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)]

Such a suit would most likely be laughed out of court! (Although
accusations of "sexual harassment" are a different matter, and are
proving an embarrassment for one Republican presidential candidate!)

[wagnerfan]

If it has no relvance and no one should care, then why the hell did
you repeat it???? Wagner Fan

[rich...@gmail.com]

On Nov 14, 7:43 pm, Terry <b...@clown.invalid> wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 04:47:02 +1100, EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote
> (in article <j9rk7g01...@news2.newsguy.com>):

> Richard Bonynge was awarded the CBE in 1977, and the OA in 1983. He also has
> a very significant French award. It would be interestin if the original
> poster were to explain why he/she is so fascinated with Bonynge's sexuality
> when there are so many aspects of the man's work that would be more germane
> to the topics normally covered in this group.
>
> --
> Cheers!
>
> Terry- Hide quoted text -

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> - Show quoted text -

How come no one ever asked if Arthur Fiedler was gay?

[SeattleJohn]

On Nov 14, 4:43 pm, Terry <b...@clown.invalid> wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 04:47:02 +1100, EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote
> (in article <j9rk7g01...@news2.newsguy.com>):
>
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> Richard Bonynge was awarded the CBE in 1977, and the OA in 1983. He also has
> a very significant French award. It would be interestin if the original
> poster were to explain why he/she is so fascinated with Bonynge's sexuality
> when there are so many aspects of the man's work that would be more germane
> to the topics normally covered in this group.
>
> --
> Cheers!
>
> Terry

So sorry to offend. There is so much hot pussy spam cluttering this
site that no one deletes I thought an inquiry about Bonynge would be
tame. I am high brow but only because I draw them that way;) I used to
hear rumors adrift about him in my circles, but they all were homos
and died in the plague.

[J]

On Nov 14, 9:02 pm, SeattleJohn <johnrsayshe...@live.com> wrote:
>
> I used to hear rumors adrift about him in my circles, but they all were homos and died in the plague.

Could you be a little more offensive, please?

[edo...@gmail.com]

I once met Arthur Fiedler. If he was gay, then J. Edgar Hoover was
gay!!

Ed

[wagnerfan]

Is this really Seattle John?? the message is so tasteless and
disgusting it sounds like it comes from a case of retarded
development. Doesn't sound like him. Wagner fan

[SeattleJohn]

Sorry to offend. Do you prefer "gay" 'homosexual". I'm a gay man. I
used to have lots of opera friends. They were gay, homo, whatever you
like to call us. They died along with 27 other gay men who were my
friends of the AIDS Plague. If you'd rather not hear about it sorry.
It was a very bitter period of my life. In my circle in Seattle homo
is not a negative term. Plague is a reality term. In those days, if
you got AIDS you died. Most all of the men I've dated since are
bisexual, hence my interest in Bonynge, since it is part of my world.
I have only 2 people as acquaintances who are alive from that period
in my life. I hope you never have to go through that experience. I
Sorry if I was tasteless..

[A21²]

On Nov 14, 7:58 pm, "richer...@hotnail.com" <richer...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

A21

[rich...@gmail.com]

Thanks for clarifying. I thought the language as a little rough, but I
suspected from our prior conversations off group that there must be
some reason...although you may well be the first gay toastmaster I
have ever known !!!! Probably you and I are roughly the same age. I'm
always amazed when I find other people in my age cohort in New York
who were in the scene and are both alive and well. Of course there are
some, but if you were sexually active and promiscuous from about 1980
to the mid1980s, the likelihood is simply that you carry some injury
from it. Not impossible to have others who were unscathed, but I am
always amazed when I find someone from that period whom I'd lost track
of who is still around. That happened recently to me, and even though
he bears some injuries, it was just wonderful and amazing to see that
someone else was around, when I was absolutely sure he must have died
(when I lost track of him, he had Kaposi's and just refused any
friends). Twenty years from now no one will really remember, and maybe
in a way that's good.

[SeattleJohn]

On Nov 15, 6:50 am, "richer...@hotnail.com" <richer...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Thanks Richard:) I tossed my remark off as I was heading out the door
to do a speech to novices about Dame Joan, was probably a bit hyper,
and didn't use the best choice of words. My only real contact with the
gay community now is Sirius OutQ and the hosts regularly call each
other homo, so I felt comfortable saying it. I forget most people live
in a different world than mine. Again, apologies.

[EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)]

To express my disagreement with the OP? (I am constantly astonished by
the number of supposedly educated people who appear not to comprehend
the written word!)

[EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)]

Because in his day it would have been considered nobody's business but
his own? (I find this modern-day obsession with celebrities' sexual
preferences highly distasteful and totally irrelevant!)

[EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)]

How do we know JEH wasn't? From what I've read, most homophobes are so
because they are unsure of their own sexual identity - those of us
secure in our sexual preferences tend not to care about those of others.
(Except when we have the misfortune to fall in love with someone of
the "wrong" gender - that CAN produce a certain amount of heartache,
although not nearly so much so, now most "gays" are out of the closet.)

[EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)]

SeattleJohn wrote:

> Sorry to offend. Do you prefer "gay" 'homosexual". I'm a gay man. I
> used to have lots of opera friends. They were gay, homo, whatever you
> like to call us. They died along with 27 other gay men who were my
> friends of the AIDS Plague. If you'd rather not hear about it sorry.
> It was a very bitter period of my life. In my circle in Seattle homo
> is not a negative term. Plague is a reality term. In those days, if
> you got AIDS you died. Most all of the men I've dated since are
> bisexual, hence my interest in Bonynge, since it is part of my world.
> I have only 2 people as acquaintances who are alive from that period
> in my life. I hope you never have to go through that experience. I
> Sorry if I was tasteless..

Accept my sympathy. Although I'm an unashamedly "straight" female, I
was involved in church music for much of my life, so I also lost a
number of very dear friends to AIDS.

[wagnerfan]

Don't be too astonished - you did more than just disagree but you
piled on some rumors that were not in the original post. I really
can't stand gossips who say things like "Well I heard that he slept
with her but I really don't know if its true or not!!!" Revolting.

Wagner Fan

[SeattleJohn]

On Nov 15, 12:12 pm, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"

Thanks:)

[Pooh Bah]

I'm surprised that in the previous posts that involved the question
which Seattle John posted, no one brought up Chester!

P.B.

[Terry]

However,whatever else we might think of his posting, we should congratulate
him on his superb new oxymoron "he was very open about it behind the
scenes". This one goes straight to the pool room, and I'm not even going to
unwrap it.

--
Cheers, Terry

[Terry]

What? As a direct result of being involved in church music? I suspect you
might need a little bit of ... Ahem ...
--
Cheers, Terry

[EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)]

Most church organist-choirmasters (males, that is) tend to be gay.
(There are exceptions, of course, but as a general rule, it's best to
assume they are until they indicate otherwise.)

[wagnerfan]

On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 10:48:45 +1100, Terry <bo...@clown.invalid> wrote:

>On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 08:39:46 +1100, EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote
>(in article <jabs3...@news7.newsguy.com>):

>Now I've heard everything!
Not the first stupid remark this woman has come up with. Wagner fan

[Jonathan Ellis]

"wagnerfan" <ivanm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:klqlc71dnfksp403g...@4ax.com...

Well, a stereotype it may be, but it's surprisingly not as far out as one
might expect. Even at lower levels - I was at music college as a pianist, so
I got to mix with most of the rest of the keyboard department, and at least
three quarters of the organists in college were gay, and that was just the
ones that were "out". Whether any of the supposedly "straight" ones were in
fact in the closet, nobody knows, except that their number included one of
the three that used to cross-dress at parties, whom everybody assumed was
actually gay anyway but never actually admitted it...

Whereas the pianists, both male and female, surprisingly included only one
known gay person. Who was of the "outrageous" rather than "discreet"
persuasion, and thus made up for pretty much all of the rest of the
department...

[A21²]

On Nov 15, 3:06 pm, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"

<evgm...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> although not nearly so much so, now most "gays" are out of the closet.)>

With respect, closeted gays are, by definition, uncountable. Or so it
would seem.
A21

[A21²]

Moreover, Hoover used to date Dorothy Lamour so he couldn't possibly
have been gay.

A21, clarifying this murky issue.

[rich...@gmail.com]

That's why he always sang, "Lamour est un oiseau rebel"

[EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)]

wagnerfan wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 10:48:45 +1100, Terry <bo...@clown.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 08:39:46 +1100, EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote
>> (in article <jabs3...@news7.newsguy.com>):
>>

>>> Most church organist-choirmasters (males, that is) tend to be gay.
>>> (There are exceptions, of course, but as a general rule, it's best to
>>> assume they are until they indicate otherwise.)

>> Now I've heard everything!

> Not the first stupid remark this woman has come up with. Wagner fan

Not "stupid" at all - clearly you've not been much involved with
professional church music! (I make no judgments - I've had many good
friends among them - but it's a pretty universally accepted fact, as
you'd know if you were a church musician.)

[EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)]

I didn't say he WAS! (A "homophobe" is a person who professes prejudice
AGAINST homosexuals - which Hoover assuredly did.)

[A21²]

On Nov 23, 3:33 pm, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"

Somewhere in this thread you wrote,

"How do we know JEH wasn't?"

And I'm telling you that the way we know is that J. Ed used to date
Dorothy Lamour. That's ironclad evidence as I see it, not to mention
the hot-water knobbers she bestowed on him betimes.

Ancona21

[Pat]

As an admirer of Ms Lamour, I'm confident that sarong conclusion.

Pat

[rich...@gmail.com]

I was sure I'd seen you in The Road to Perdition.

Richard, on the road to Istanbul (not Constantinple).

[Pat]

On Nov 24, 12:46 am, "richer...@hotnail.com" <richer...@gmail.com>

=================

The occasional low spots in my brilliant Hollywood career are none of
your byzantineness.

Pat

Pat

[rich...@gmail.com]

Actually am here on a whim. Was here 20 years ago and wasn't crazy
about the city - most people who come here as tourists love it - and
I wanted to try again. Last time in the Blue Mosque there was no
cordoned off area for Believers andd now parrts are inaccesible. Hope
to see a lot in these four days, if only to test my reactions. They
have an opera company and oddly is it doing Turn of The Screw. Not
sure what language or where it is set. You could actuallly do it in a
Seraglio, and I suppose someone could set it in a Turkish prison, but
will try to see it thiss weekend. The two great things last time were
the sea walls, which I had always dreamed of seeing, and going up to
the Black Sea where I felt like Cortez. Now there is a military
installation and that area is closed.

[EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)]

A21² wrote:
> On Nov 23, 3:33 pm, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
> <evgm...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> A21² wrote:
>>> On Nov 23, 10:20 am, A21² <ancon...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Nov 15, 3:06 pm, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
>>>> <evgm...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>> although not nearly so much so, now most "gays" are out of the closet.)>
>>>> With respect, closeted gays are, by definition, uncountable. Or so it
>>>> would seem.
>>>> A21
>>> Moreover, Hoover used to date Dorothy Lamour so he couldn't possibly
>>> have been gay.
>> I didn't say he WAS! (A "homophobe" is a person who professes prejudice
>> AGAINST homosexuals - which Hoover assuredly did.)
>
> Somewhere in this thread you wrote,
>
> "How do we know JEH wasn't?"

I think you have your attributions wrong - unless you refer to a
statement that many psychiatrists hold that many of the belligerently
homophobic are so because they feel insecure in their own sexual
identities.

>
> And I'm telling you that the way we know is that J. Ed used to date
> Dorothy Lamour. That's ironclad evidence as I see it, not to mention
> the hot-water knobbers she bestowed on him betimes.

Whatever Hoover's proclivities, "dating" a movie star is no proof, per
se. (SFAIK, Ms. Lamour was as feminine as they come, but FYI, aside
from the existence of bi-sexuals of both genders, there was a time when
the movie studies did their best to promote a "straight" image even for
the stars all Hollywood KNEW were "gay".)

[EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)]

It certainly doesn't say much for her taste in male escorts!

[david...@hotmail.com]

On Nov 23, 3:26 pm, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
<evgm...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> wagnerfan wrote:

> > On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 10:48:45 +1100, Terry <b...@clown.invalid> wrote:
>
> >> On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 08:39:46 +1100, EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote

> >> (in article <jabs3o02...@news7.newsguy.com>):

>
> >>> Most church organist-choirmasters (males, that is) tend to be gay.
> >>> (There are exceptions, of course, but as a general rule, it's best to
> >>> assume they are until they indicate otherwise.)
> >> Now I've heard everything!
> >   Not the first stupid remark this woman has come up with.  Wagner fan
>
> Not "stupid" at all - clearly you've not been much involved with
> professional church music!  (I make no judgments - I've had many good
> friends among them - but it's a pretty universally accepted fact, as
> you'd know if you were a church musician.)

As a gay male that is an organist/church musician by profession, I can
corroborate that Evelyn is correct.

[rich...@gmail.com]

On Nov 26, 12:47 pm, Terry <b...@clown.invalid> wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 14:38:02 +1100, david51...@hotmail.com wrote
> (in article
> <00a6422e-d1ca-4c2b-aea3-e5e7cc3fc...@4g2000yqu.googlegroups.com>):

> In your country, perhaps.
>
> --
> Cheers!
>
> Terry

In opera, we all live in Never-Never Land. Or at least, Hardly-Ever
Land.

[EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)]

Terry wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 14:38:02 +1100, david...@hotmail.com wrote
> (in article
> <00a6422e-d1ca-4c2b...@4g2000yqu.googlegroups.com>):

> In your country, perhaps.

Meaning the U.S.A. (all fifty states) and SFAIK, the UK as well.
>

[lorijf...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, November 13, 2011 6:48:47 PM UTC-5, A21² wrote:
> On Nov 13, 6:17 pm, SeattleJohn <johnrsayshe...@live.com> wrote:
>
> > I got the strong feeling that Bonynge was bisexual and heard rumors
>
> > that he was fairly open about it behind the scenes, traveling with
>
> > Joan and a boyfriend. Has anyone else heard anything about this. One
>
> > never got any hint about a rocky relationship with Joan.
>
>
>
> You might want to reconsider pursuing such a question in a public
>
> forum about a living person, particularly one who is a Commander of
>
> the Order of the British Empire.
>
>
>
> Ancona21

Mr,Bonyge showed little personal respect by divulging as much dirt as possible about Luciano Pavarotti. Does he deserve any deference?

[NeverMind]

On Tue, 1 Apr 2014 01:36:55 -0700 (PDT), lorijf...@gmail.com
wrote:

There's that and the fact that he undoubtedly wouldn't have got any
meaningful work without his wife insisting on him as a conductor.

[oper...@gmail.com]

On Monday, November 14, 2011 3:17:52 AM UTC+4, Seattlejohn wrote:
> I got the strong feeling that Bonynge was bisexual and heard rumors
>
> that he was fairly open about it behind the scenes, traveling with
>
> Joan and a boyfriend. Has anyone else heard anything about this. One
>
> never got any hint about a rocky relationship with Joan.

I would rather be interested to learn something related to music from Mr. Bonyange, then to get into his personal life......I guess people are more busy with gossiping instead of concentrating on their own life! Shame on you, there is so many things you could learn from maestro. By the way he made his career, had a great family and is NOT interested in you personal life!!!

[oper...@gmail.com]

On Monday, November 14, 2011 3:17:52 AM UTC+4, Seattlejohn wrote:
> I got the strong feeling that Bonynge was bisexual and heard rumors
>
> that he was fairly open about it behind the scenes, traveling with
>
> Joan and a boyfriend. Has anyone else heard anything about this. One
>
> never got any hint about a rocky relationship with Joan.

you better spend time to learn something from Mr. Bonynge instead of dwelling into his underwear! Shame on you!!!

[Terry]

In article <dd555fdc-d758-42ee...@googlegroups.com>,

I agree with you entirely, but what's going on in these newsgroups? The
message to which you responded was posted in 2011. There seems to be a
lot of this sort of thing going on. Daft!

[Bren]

> ..but what's going on in these newsgroups? The

>
> message to which you responded was posted in 2011. There seems to be a
>
> lot of this sort of thing going on. Daft!

There's a 17 hour time difference between AEST and PDT. Perhaps that should be 17 months...

PS: Did you score a part in Magic Flute at Her Majesty's next Thursday?

Bren.
Carna Crows.
(I wouldn't join any club that would have me...GM)

[charlesthom...@gmail.com]

On Wednesday, November 16, 2011 4:12:36 AM UTC-5, Pooh Bah wrote:
> I'm surprised that in the previous posts that involved the question
>
> which Seattle John posted, no one brought up Chester!
>
>
>
> P.B.

I'd rather not discuss Chester if that's okay with you. But I wouldn't mind chatting about the wonderful Joseph Calleja. For starters I'll just observe that he is fabulous in addition to being wonderful. (Whether or not Leonard Tillman agrees with me is a mystery to me. In fact, virtually all of LT's opinions are mysterious. The same could be said of me if you really want to beat a dead 'orse.

[charlesthom...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, November 13, 2011 6:48:47 PM UTC-5, A21² wrote:

> On Nov 13, 6:17 pm, SeattleJohn <johnrsayshe...@live.com> wrote:
>
> > I got the strong feeling that Bonynge was bisexual and heard rumors
>
> > that he was fairly open about it behind the scenes, traveling with
>
> > Joan and a boyfriend. Has anyone else heard anything about this. One
>
> > never got any hint about a rocky relationship with Joan.
>
>
>

[EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)]

I agree! What do a musician's sexual preferences have to do with
his/her abilities as a musician? (And what business is it of ours?)
>

[jamesnor...@gmail.com]

On Tuesday, November 15, 2011 at 8:18:08 AM UTC+1, Seattlejohn wrote:
> On Nov 14, 6:20 pm, J <jmel...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > On Nov 14, 9:02 pm, SeattleJohn <johnrsayshe...@live.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > I used to hear rumors adrift about him in my circles, but they all were homos and died in the plague.
> >
> > Could you be a little more offensive, please?
>
> Sorry to offend. Do you prefer "gay" 'homosexual". I'm a gay man. I
> used to have lots of opera friends. They were gay, homo, whatever you
> like to call us. They died along with 27 other gay men who were my
> friends of the AIDS Plague. If you'd rather not hear about it sorry.
> It was a very bitter period of my life. In my circle in Seattle homo
> is not a negative term. Plague is a reality term. In those days, if
> you got AIDS you died. Most all of the men I've dated since are
> bisexual, hence my interest in Bonynge, since it is part of my world.
> I have only 2 people as acquaintances who are alive from that period
> in my life. I hope you never have to go through that experience. I
> Sorry if I was tasteless..

IF it make you an happier he is Gay-for sure and a Gentleman