End of rec. music. opera?
REG
flesh unless we can get some of these varmints and vermin out of here. We
can always PLONK them, but I wonder if a moderator or some other approach
might work now - this ng is different than Opera List or any of the AOLs
that I know, and I'd hate to lose it because of the nuts. There may be more
impassioned debate about non music issues here, but there is also more of a
sense of communication with one's fellows. Any thoughts, guys and gals???
Operatunenity
appeared, other than that I don't feel the need of a moderator because things
take their course and I appreciate hearing differing points of view. It is a
simple matter to ignore nasty posts and flame wars. We are adults aren't we?
and I think it is silly when a moderator is brought in and participants tattle
on each other like whiny petulant children. Seems to me that rec.mus.opera is
much more popular than opers oasis these days. One can always ignore JJ and
Emma when they get nasty and appreciate what they have to offer when they are
not.
Leonard Tillman
sounds MIGHTY good!!), but, for my modem, I'll look into it.
After being recently "sucked-in" to ( and -less than wisely- not
immediately deciding to just exit from the mess), the most absurdly
provoked "flame-war" I've seen in my 15 months online, and the yutz
(claiming to be some "Pedagogue-'MANQUE' {translation in this case -
'loser'} ), refusing to... uhhh..."Buck-Off" until several other posters
began showing him/her/it - as a
"Pedagogue-MONKEY* - it would seem
that SOME sort of control is called for to keep a measure of sanity!!
I'm not sure a moderator would be the solution - perhaps the effect
would have disadvantages in the loss of spontaneity,
and constraints, that the more civil among us don't need nor deserve!
But the PLONK sounds dandy - EXCEPT......what if we plonk a real
"undesirable", and some poster we _wish_ to read - has "quoted" the
pest?
So, "what to do" ?
Best, LT........
"The secret of Education is respecting the pupil."
Ralph Waldo Emerson
Leonard Tillman
Hopefully, The Plonk won't become a necessity for dealing with
unruly Plonkee-candidates!!
Mark D. Lew
<Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Two thoughts.
1. Yes, rmo, like any newsgroup, is indeed different from a mailing list or
an AOL group. Moderating is technically impossible (though a new opera
newsgroup with a moderator could be created).
2. What exactly is so bad about the group right now? It seems pretty tame
to me. We've survived some pretty rough times over the years. I don't
think the group is in any danger of extinction.
mdl
Mark D. Lew
tapef...@webtv.net (Leonard Tillman) wrote:
> [...] I'm not sure a moderator would be the solution - perhaps the effect
> would have disadvantages in the loss of spontaneity,
> and constraints, that the more civil among us don't need nor deserve!
> But the PLONK sounds dandy - EXCEPT......what if we plonk a real
> "undesirable", and some poster we _wish_ to read - has "quoted" the
> pest?
> So, "what to do" ?
For a start, you might try resisting the urge to respond to every obnoxious
or insulting post.
When someone else says something that you feel insults you or makes you
look bad, the natural human reaction is to want to answer back to "defend"
yourself. But nine times out of ten it is both unnecessary and
counterproductive.
mdl
REG
of people come in who had no interestin in opera or music whatsoever, and
who just seemed interested in discussions (but that's not really the word)
of purely political and historical matters (obviously, I've done a great
deal of that myself recently, but I don't think it's anything like the same
thing.)
These seem to be posters who are coming here because of cross-posting from
other ngs, as far as I can see, and that's what concerns me. Great if others
don't feel that there's an infestation from cross-posting, I want to be
wrong, but that was my concern. Also, just to clarify, I'm' certainly not
big on the idea of a moderator, but I do have the sense that gresham's law
can apply here. And I do have the sense that there's a lot more lurking by
those who are relly interested in the topic, and a lot more contributions
and responses to these cross-posters. Look, if it goes away, it's great.
"Mark D. Lew" <mark...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Charlie
idiot who just came on will eventually get tired and leave..so it has been
pretty decent, except I seem to feel some guy thinks he is William
Shakespeare...CH
My best, Charlie. Check out my website dedicated to the wonderful world
of opera, and request my huge free catalogue of live opera tapes.
Leonard Tillman
For a start, you might try resisting the urge to respond to every
obnoxious or insulting post.
When someone else says something that you feel insults you or makes you
look bad, the natural human reaction is to want to answer back to
"defend" yourself. But nine times out of ten it is both unnecessary and
counterproductive.
mdl "
--- We've BOTH done that "defense"
of ourselves, so have most, and THOUGH I feel you overestimate in the
above "ratio" of unnecessariness and counterproductivity, your point is
essentially correct!
There's nothing wrong with defending oneself when _honestly_
feeling insulted,
but when your adversary is trying for a marathon event - and this
becomes _increasingly obvious_ - it's time to STOP,
and begin to ignore the would-be "marathon star"!!
So , agreed!!
Valfer
lest ye be plonked.
I'd rather leave the group open to the occasional nut than to give it up to
the opinions of an all-knowing, all-powerful "moderator."
Valfer
In a rare biblical mood today.
"REG" <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Matthew B. Tepper
news:A9kT6.3761$wh6.9...@typhoon.nyc.rr.com:
I've seen worse, and we've survived them all. Let things stand.
--
Matthew B. Tepper: WWW, science fiction, classical music, ducks!
My personal home page -- http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/index.html
My main music page --- http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/berlioz.html
To write to me, do for my address what Androcles did for the lion
Top 3 worst UK exports: Mad-cow; Foot-and-mouth; Charlotte Church
GRNDPADAVE
>Date: 06/06/2001 9:07 AM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: <#BzpXFp7AHA.269@cpmsnbbsa07>
>
>I have no complaints. At least, no serious ones. Remember: Plonk not,
>lest ye be plonked.
>
>I'd rather leave the group open to the occasional nut than to give it up to
>the opinions of an all-knowing, all-powerful "moderator."
>
>
>Valfer
>In a rare biblical mood today.
>
As an ancient Egyptian, in thorough agreement with your sentiments, might have
said .
"AMEN-hotep".
==G/P Dave
Mark D. Lew
tapef...@webtv.net (Leonard Tillman) wrote:
> --- We've BOTH done that "defense"
> of ourselves, so have most,
True.
> There's nothing wrong with defending oneself when _honestly_
> feeling insulted,
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it. But you mentioned being
"sucked into" flame wars, and that's a good way to avoid it.
mdl
Mark D. Lew
<Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Just to clarify, it seems in the last very few days that we've had a number
> of people come in who had no interestin in opera or music whatsoever, and
> who just seemed interested in discussions (but that's not really the word)
> of purely political and historical matters (obviously, I've done a great
> deal of that myself recently, but I don't think it's anything like the same
> thing.)
I hadn't noticed. Is that in the current Israel threads? I haven't been
following them.
> These seem to be posters who are coming here because of cross-posting from
> other ngs, as far as I can see, and that's what concerns me.
Sometimes cross-posted threads are on topics that genuinely involve all the
groups involved. Other times, RMO's name is added to the headers even
though no one in RMO participates. In the latter case, I don't think of
that as others invading our group; rather, we're receiving an extraneous
copy of a conversation going on somewhere else.
mdl
Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque)
here, lately (knock wood) - no neo-Nazis or white
supremacists cross-posting their cant ad nauseum, no
teeny-boppers insisting upon the merits of some pop
nonentity and insulting everyone who disagrees with them, no
really serious flame-wars with endless posts of insulting
obscenities. The worst that's showed up on my screen lately
are a few pieces of spam, and the ubiquitous Mr. Lane (who
may be boring, but he's harmless - and his posts are
CERTAINLY about opera, at least). Have you forgotten last
summer, so soon? We've all beem singularly well-behaved
lately, IMO!
Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque)
you read someone's insulting references to you, with
absolutely no idea what he/she is talking about! (I don't
remember ever engaging in a "debate" with you, Mr. Tillman -
to what do I owe such opobrium?)
Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque)
REG wrote:
>
> These seem to be posters who are coming here because of cross-posting from
> other ngs, as far as I can see, and that's what concerns me. Great if others
> don't feel that there's an infestation from cross-posting, I want to be
> wrong, but that was my concern.
Oh, yes, a small "infestation" perhaps, but nothing like
we've experienced in the past! So long as people here do
not respond (or at least eliminate the cross-posts) it
should exterminate itself fairly soon.
MarkZ1000
>pinero flame war, or the return of the neo-nazi spammer, or...
>
>S.
Agreed. The Neo-nazi spammer seemed to go on forever. Posts repeated a
dozen times a day, etc. Always using a different e-mail address, but the same
message so it was difficult to track him/her down. Right now, for the first
time in ages we actually put Israel/Palestine to shame for peacefulness! :)
Mark Zimmerman * Chicago
To reply remove "nospam"
Leonard Tillman
That "oprobrium" was in NO WAY directed at YOU!
I _prefaced_ what I said, with "in this case" - and referred to
SOMEone who had approprated PART OF your "Divamanque"
name-addition for his attempt at literary "cutesiness" !!
I MOST CERTAINLY do NOT regard YOU as a "loser", a "monkey" nor any
other such nouns - so ghastly when misapplied
which was not the case (_in this case_)!!
I hope that is now clear.
Leonard Tillman
--- That "good way" coming into play-
when it becomes obvious that ONE party won't "dry up"......so the other,
as I realize from exasperating recent experience, must be "the sensible
one"..
and turn away....to worthwhile and intelligent posters (who,
fortunately, are still the MAJORITY in rmo)!!
Don Paolo
Don Paolo
you're family. And, just like any "family", there are one's favorites &
there are those who fit into the category of "You can choose your friends,
but you cannot choose your relatives".
The "Block Sender" command works perfectly on my system, as well as most
probably all systems. That is a very powerful weapon against the boors,
bores & bigots. However, as far as a "modifier" proposal, I do not think it
a good idea with the exception of preventing the lengthy off topic postings.
Besides, the only individual suitable for the position is far too shy,
gentlemanly, kindly & sophisticated to accept the position & thereby
exercise such authority. I of course refer to Monsieur Andre Eduoard.
Regards,
BigPauliePistachio a/k/a DonPaolo
david melnick
of slime posting. But look what it accomplished. It turned our PK into the
sterling voice of moderation. (I'd always suspected him of those tendencies!)
Also, your original post, when it came over on my server, was sandwiched
between LT's priceless description of Domingo's "beauty-mark-mole" as Almaviva
and Luca Logi's sunny post about the temperature where Italian is spoken (and
Karen's, Helen's and Tresbirri's around that same time, too). "Sturm" clouds
evaporate under skies like that (until, of course, they don't, but that's
another topic). And what about A21, AE and romain (wherever ARE you)? Much as I
adore our sister group Opera-L, I don't see all these folks (and some post
there) having this much fun on the other list.
Of course, I suspect that you posed your question to startle everybody into
realizing how valuable our conversation is.
I know I'm being presumptuous, having subscribed to r.m.o for only a few
months, but that's my coupla cents.
In friendship, David
REG
themselves
"Valfer" <val...@msn.com> wrote in message
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REG
perceiving - I am glad to accept the will of the majority and chalk it all
up to what has been a horrible week otherwise..
RE Cassandra G
"Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque)" <evg...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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REG
position - perhaps a bottle of Merlot will do...but none for you Don P
REG the cat's paw
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Valfer
An announcer in the local (Philadelphia) classical music radio keeps
mispronouncing "Nefertiti's tomb" as "Nefertiri's tomb" in an ad for a
fund-raising trip to Egypt.
Mr announcer : I will not hold it against you if you pronounce the name
right, even if it sounds as if you were saying the taboo word "titties."
Yo, bozo, learn the langwich! Nefertiti was not Fluffyan! After all,
English slang was a long way coming 2,000 years BC, capeesh? Youse being
stoopid, or what? May the cheez whiz in your next cheesesteak turn out
sour, you ignant fool!
Valfer
Who has lived here long enough to forget Spanish, and instead of English,
has learned Fluffyan (trans. Philadelphian). Yo, help!
"GRNDPADAVE" <grndp...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Leonard Tillman
......., but wasn't "Neferti_r_i" the Princess of Egypt (Anne Baxter)
in the '50's "The Ten Commandments"?
And was she the very same character?
Leonard Tillman
--- Nothing wrong "by me" with The Bard , nor any obscure
film-reference,
But NOT "force-fed" WITH accompanying ridicule translating to : "I
know MORE than YOU-OOO, you, you, nothing!!"
Leonard Tillman
"Also, your (REG's) original post, when it came over on my server, was
sandwiched between LT's priceless description of Domingo's
"beauty-mark-mole" as Almaviva and Luca Logi's sunny post about the
temperature where Italian is spoken (and Karen's, Helen's and
Tresbirri's around that same time, too). "Sturm" clouds evaporate under
skies like that (until, of course, they don't, but that's another
topic). And what about A21, AE and romain (wherever ARE you)? Much as I
adore our sister group Opera-L, I don't see all these folks (and some
post there) having this much fun on the other list."
--- Yeah,.....we DO have some neat stuff around here!!!!
Leonard Tillman
(Naaahhh!! doesn't sound to good at my pitch and tessitura!
....I'll stick to my record of the recent Birthday-Lady, Fedora
Barbieri, La Divina, ...IMVEHO, of course!)!!
si...@webtv.net
'low no plonking in here. or anywhere. we don't have a means to plonk
or killfile. we are plonkless, alas. Plonkless in the grass, alas.
<g> best John
si...@webtv.net
worse than what is going on in here right now. happens every year about
this time: like a robin being a sign of spring, a neo-Nazi is a sign the
opera season is slow right now until all the festivals really crank it
up. John
Leonard Tillman
---AWWWW Shhoooot!!!
An' ah had mah big ol' heart aallll
set ta trah mah hayand at "The Plonk"........Even if only for
that sound-effect!!
Guess I'll have to remain content with operatic sounds!! :-)
Best, LT........
" I Changed Her Oil, But She Changed My Life"
- Country/Western song title.
Leonard Tillman
I wrote:
"--- Nothing wrong "by me" with The Bard , nor any obscure
film-reference,
But NOT "force-fed" WITH accompanying ridicule translating
to : "I
know MORE than YOU-OOO, you, you, nothing!!"
certain
"paradigm of e-RUDE-ition", rather than the harmless poster and
composer of a new work who was actually referred to!!
Perdoname!!
Best, LT
Valfer
historical accuracy. Every time I watch the movie, I get the mental image
of Moses pulling a gun on Pharaoh, thus sparing Egypt the seven plagues.
Anne Baxter did have nice "tiris", though.
Valfer
"Leonard Tillman" <tapef...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Leonard Tillman
(I think Yvonne de Carlo had the "edge", however, - though the dialogue
in the film claimed her to be merely "plain".
And If Moses had that gun, things might've been easier all around
(Charleton H. wouldn't have "left home without it")!!
Valfer wrote:
"Perhaps. I'm not an expert, and I don't think DeMille was much into
historical accuracy. Every time I watch the movie, I get the mental
image of Moses pulling a gun on Pharaoh, thus sparing Egypt the seven
plagues.
Anne Baxter did have nice "tiris", though.
Valfer
"Leonard Tillman" <tapef...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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"Nefertiti" was the gal's correct name...... ......., but wasn't
"Neferti_r_i" the Princess of Egypt (Anne Baxter) in the '50's "The Ten
Commandments"?
And was she the very same character?
Best,
LT........
Best, LT........
Don Paolo
Anyway, I'm a Pinot Grigio guzzler meself!
DonP.
REG <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque)
pretty much on topic, even if I don't always agree with
you. (I guess I managed to miss the original posts you
mention - probably one of the posters in my "kill" file.)
Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque)
Leonard Tillman wrote:
>
> "Nefertiti" was the gal's correct name......
> ......., but wasn't "Neferti_r_i" the Princess of Egypt (Anne Baxter)
> in the '50's "The Ten Commandments"?
> And was she the very same character?
Probably, considering Hollywood's rather casual attitude
toward historical accuracy - expecially in those days. And
I think they still had the Hayes office to contend with,
too, so some bozo probably objected to the "titty" part -
even though I'm under the impression her name should be
pronounced "Nefer-tee-tee".
Eveleen McAuley
"Leonard Tillman" <tapef...@webtv.net> wrote
>There's nothing wrong with defending oneself when _honestly_
> feeling insulted,
Here's something else that is worth remembering: if the person who insults
you is an obvious troublemaker, then quite a lot of posters will probably
have him/her killfiled already. If you respond to the insults, you are
repeating these nasty comments to plenty of people who would never see
them otherwise.
I find it very easy to killfile obvious trolls - it's the otherwise
reasonable people who insist on answering them that fill my screen with
junk threads.
Eveleen McAuley
Don Paolo
DonP.
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Matthew B. Tepper
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> Here's something else that is worth remembering: if the person who
> insults you is an obvious troublemaker, then quite a lot of posters
> will probably have him/her killfiled already.
Would that it were so; I killfiled one particularly obnoxious supporter of
a certain performer I now like to call "the squeaky leek" once I decided
that his posts had no value for me, but others kept on answering his
rubbish, so I had to do my best to navigate around the potholes.
--
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My personal home page -- http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/index.html
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Edward A. Cowan
> Plonkless in the grass, alas.
Surely one of Sharpless' assistants? <g>
FWIW, I have discovered that the correspondents in de.rec.music.klassik
use _plonken_ as a verb: "Plonkst du einen, so plonk ihn richtig!" ("If
you plonk someone, plonk him right!")
--
E.A.C. ("Wer am letzten plonkt, plonkt am besten." ["He who plonks last
plonks best."])
M. Slater
>E.A.C. ("Wer am letzten plonkt, plonkt am besten." ["He who plonks last
>plonks best."])
"Wer mich plonkst, plonk Ihn weider zweimal zuruck." {He who plonks me, plonk
him back twice}
Mark
Leonard Tillman
(LT's comments in parentheses)
"Leonard Tillman <tapef...@webtv.net> wrote :
"There's nothing wrong with defending oneself when _honestly_ feeling
insulted"
Here's something else that is worth remembering: if the person who
insults you is an obvious troublemaker, then quite a lot of posters will
probably have him/her killfiled already.
(whether or not he/she is killfiled by some, those whose systems lack
that feature are not shielded from the annoyance, and may at times be
targeted. )
If you respond to the insults, you are repeating these nasty comments
to plenty of people who would never see them otherwise.
(whether or not they would does not justify an absolute and complete
"turning the other cheek" on the part of the one attacked, who has more
right to complain than those "witnessing" what HE didn't initiate!!
...Doing so would be up to that person, and not everyone finds that
satisfactory, !!)
I find it very easy to killfile obvious trolls -
(_I_ don't find it very easy, since it's _impossible_ with my system
that doesn't have that feature!!)
it's the otherwise reasonable people who insist on answering them that
fill my
screen with junk threads.
(Again, it's not _unreasonable_ to object to the
objectionable!....though understanding that seems to be a matter of
"whose ox is being gored"!!
The one responsible for filling your screen, and mine, and many
others , with junk threads - is the one who decided to behave rudely and
foolishly to BEGIN with and persisted for a remarkably long while!! -
which might be difficult to know without having read the exchange,
however annoying!!
The one thing that CAN be agreed upon is for the "offended party"
to, in the future, put a LIMIT on his response to such baiting - when
the instigator WON'T STOP!!)
Eveleen McAuley"
Leonard Tillman
obnoxious posts that are _quoted_ is probably to negotiate _around_
them, if you need to.
Some (including me) don't even _have_ killfiling options in their
systems!!
OTOH, as nausiating as certain characters are - a possible flaw with
killfiling would be the resulting gaps in perception: one poster
admitted not having SEEN a posting I'd referred to! - so
killfiling contributed to some misunderstanding!!
LT
Leonard Tillman
KVESTCHUN??)"
I'm getting the impression that "the
plonk" may have its drawback in that it would filter not only junk, but
details that even WITH the junk, could matter if put into perspective!!
( Of course I may be "sour-grape" - ing,
since my system HAS no such capability!!) :-)
REG
"M. Slater" <harpsic...@aol.comedy> wrote in message
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Leonard Tillman
actress also; Remember her Academy-Award winning performance in "The
Razor's Edge" as an outstanding example?
(An adolescent fantasy of MINE was Gina Lollobrigida!!!)
Leonard Tillman
and plonk 'em twice
and plonk 'em once again
It's been a long, long while............"
Eric Jennings
and now I've got to go and take a cold shower!
Eric
Leonard Tillman wrote
<snip>
tresbirri
<1eunlcm.axb5d8jlzbpoN%eac...@anet-dfw.com>:
>"Wer am letzten plonkt, plonkt am besten."
["He who plonks last
>plonks best."])
Or, from Falstaff: "Plonka ben chi plonka la plonkata final!"
orphee
Ou en francais
"Plonque bien qui plonque le dernier!"
Orphee
Ancona21
objectionable!....though understanding that seems to be a matter of
"whose ox is being gored"!!
The one responsible for filling your screen, and mine, and many
others , with junk threads - is the one who decided to behave rudely and
foolishly to BEGIN with and persisted for a remarkably long while!! >>
Hey, I for one have stopped addressing The Tillman directly. It seems more
effective to let him alienate readers here with his manic posts over time, the
theory being that the more he jumps in with both feet on virtually every
thread, the more heartily sick of him most in the group will become. I do
note, however, that apparently Tresberri and Valfer have taken a shine to him.
I gather they are French.
Ancona
Leonard Tillman
ENTIRELY "OT".....in that what we consume for some dinner or snack prior
to attending the opera we've got tickets for,
-- will VERY likely affect our perceptions, and consequently, enjoyment
of that performance - and maybe even our memory of it, which if
negative, MAY be less than fair to the singers, orchestra, and all
concerned with making that performance a reality!!
( e.g.: Wolfing down a "Happy Meal"
vs. Leisurely enjoying the oft-mentioned
- AND much loved "corned beef or pastrami with Dr. Brown's Cel-Ray
.....
or, perhaps a "lighter" vegetarian meal -
easy to digest comfortably, or whatever one prefers, bringing a
contented feeling and allowing one to focus on the performance.
There would then be a receptivity to the efforts of the cast, et al,
and this could make the difference between a fine "night at the opera"
even minus Groucho & Bros., and OTOH, a drab uncomfortable feeling
that one would rather not have been there!!
Best, LT
" Telegram: 'Have a wonderful wish -
time you were here!!' "
Don Paolo
Turandot: Pling Plang Plong
DonP, Il Vergognato
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Don Paolo
DP
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Leonard Tillman
we have ALREADY paid!!
But civil, sensible posters, of course,
ALWAYS are!!!
Leonard Tillman
DP"
Ahhh,,yes...Brrizheet!!!, a very lovely young lady of that
late-'50's time!!
AND, though not exactly kittenish, there was....ZSA ZSA - which
reminds me:
In the film, "Moulin Rouge" (the old film), her character sang the
gorgeous and famed theme-song....her sound matched her stunning beauty
of face and form,-
BUT, - Was that really Zsa Zsa's VOICE??.....It did seem to match her
speaking-voice!!
Matthew B. Tepper
Nowadays: Bridget Fonda, Mira Sorvino, Caroline Rhea, Leah Rimini, and
Camryn Manheim. Go figure!
"Eric Jennings" <Eric.J...@icl.com> wrote in
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Matthew B. Tepper
news:1eunlcm.axb5d8jlzbpoN%eac...@anet-dfw.com:
><si...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
>> Plonkless in the grass, alas.
>
> Surely one of Sharpless' assistants? <g>
>
> FWIW, I have discovered that the correspondents in de.rec.music.klassik
> use _plonken_ as a verb: "Plonkst du einen, so plonk ihn richtig!" ("If
> you plonk someone, plonk him right!")
Well, it's better than "schtroumpher" in French!
Matthew B. Tepper
news:2004484.00...@drn.newsguy.com:
Advice to Cio-Cio San: "B.F. Pinkerton, plonk, plonk!"
Matthew B. Tepper
news:9fqs0k$11v$1...@bob.news.rcn.net:
> (You're gonna KILL me)....
> Turandot: Pling Plang Plong
Popolo di Kaplonko.
Mark D. Lew
(Divamanque)" <evg...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Probably, considering Hollywood's rather casual attitude
> toward historical accuracy - expecially in those days.
As opposed to these days? But I suppose you have a point. Disney's
pursuit of historical inaccuracy is anything but casual.
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In article <28952-3B2...@storefull-212.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
tapef...@webtv.net (Leonard Tillman) wrote:
> (whether or not they would does not justify an absolute and complete
> "turning the other cheek" on the part of the one attacked, who has more
> right to complain than those "witnessing" what HE didn't initiate!!
> ...Doing so would be up to that person, and not everyone finds that
> satisfactory, !!)
Perhaps the key is not so much in learning to refrain from responding when
offended, but rather to learn to not be so easily offended in the first
place. Of course there is a point where a line must be drawn, and each of
us has his own limits, but much of the petty rudeness that some people feel
a need to "defend" against here is really very trivial stuff that hardly
needs to be noticed.
mdl
si...@webtv.net
>To which E.A.C. replied:
>"Surely one of Sharpless' assistants?
You win E.A.C. I can't top that one. LOL
Job well done, sir. Best John
Leonard Tillman
--- Ahhhemmmm......It seems that the aforementioned Mr.
Plonkless, after taking his "fill" of sunshine on that grassy area for
the day, - has revealed himself to be,
...finally...after all.....none other than
the _great-great-grandson_ of the opera's kindly consul!!!!!
The now-distinguished descendent chuckled that he would have been the
GRANDSON, - But, alas , the consul-progenitor had a stuttering
affliction.....!!
Mark D. Lew
mdl
*frequently, constantly
Ancona21
Go thou and plonk no more.
Ancona
tresbirri
>
>(You're gonna KILL me)....
>Turandot: Pling Plang Plong
"Va, moribondo, il capestro t'aspetta!!"
tresbirri, still in a Scarpia mood
Leonard Tillman
LT
Andre Edouard
AE
Andre Edouard
If elected I will serve.
_You_ will be sorry...Pinot Grigo...Feh!
AE
Don Paolo wrote:
>
> Hay - after AE gets through, there ain't none to be had on the West Coast.
> Anyway, I'm a Pinot Grigio guzzler meself!
>
> DonP.
> REG <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:c4AT6.4679$wh6.1...@typhoon.nyc.rr.com...
> > Yes, you're right, I think we should force AE to accept the moderator
> > position - perhaps a bottle of Merlot will do...but none for you Don P
> >
> >
> > REG the cat's paw
> >
> >
> > "Don Paolo" <donp...@erols.com> wrote in message
> > news:9fmeen$4co$1...@bob.news.rcn.net...
> > > Look at it this way, Reg. RMO is like the Olive Garden, when you post
> > here,
> > > you're family. And, just like any "family", there are one's favorites &
> > > there are those who fit into the category of "You can choose your
> friends,
> > > but you cannot choose your relatives".
> > >
> > > The "Block Sender" command works perfectly on my system, as well as most
> > > probably all systems. That is a very powerful weapon against the boors,
> > > bores & bigots. However, as far as a "modifier" proposal, I do not
> think
> > it
> > > a good idea with the exception of preventing the lengthy off topic
> > postings.
> > > Besides, the only individual suitable for the position is far too shy,
> > > gentlemanly, kindly & sophisticated to accept the position & thereby
> > > exercise such authority. I of course refer to Monsieur Andre Eduoard.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > BigPauliePistachio a/k/a DonPaolo
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
Leonard Tillman
opera somehow seems salvageable!!
Hope remains!!!
Best, LT
" Telegram: 'Having a wonderful wish -
time you were here!!' "
Leonard Tillman
sagacity of who he "alienates" - I, for one, am feeling MIGHTY
GOOD, right about now, and hope that feeling "radiates" toward anyone
else, so accused !!
Anyway, so much (and plenty it has
BEEN!!) for.....that!!
L "the placated" T
Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque)
Ancona21 wrote:
>
>
> Hey, I for one have stopped addressing The Tillman directly. It seems more
> effective to let him alienate readers here with his manic posts over time, the
> theory being that the more he jumps in with both feet on virtually every
> thread, the more heartily sick of him most in the group will become. I do
> note, however, that apparently Tresberri and Valfer have taken a shine to him.
> I gather they are French.
You have? Why? He often has some very interesting things
to say.
>
> Ancona
Leonard Tillman
"You have? Why? He often has some very interesting things to say. "
--- Thanks for that!! - but please don't expect an honest, or even
rational answer
from such an incorrigable troll! - You won't receive any!!
Sincerely,
LT
John Lynch
JL
dtritter
Andre Edouard wrote:
>
> If nominated I will run.
> If elected I will serve.
> _You_ will be sorry...Pinot Grigo...Feh!
> AE
>
i always thought that warning went:
if nominated, i shall flee to mexico.
if elected, i shall resist extradition.
[and then bill buckley, in his quixotic and lightly intended run for
mayor of new york some seasons past, asked what he would do if he won,
gave the riposte: "demand a recount."]
dft the chronicler
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Siegfried Pinkerton
> Hey, I for one have stopped addressing The Tillman directly. It seems more
> effective to let him alienate readers here with his manic posts over time, the
> theory being that the more he jumps in with both feet on virtually every
> thread, the more heartily sick of him most in the group will become. I do
> note, however, that apparently Tresberri and Valfer have taken a shine to him.
> I gather they are French.
Not fair! Where does that leave Frenchmen who killfile Tillman?
--
Siegfried Pinkerton
* Musik ist eine heilige Kunst *
Leonard Tillman
to him. I gather they are French.
Not fair! Where does that leave Frenchmen who killfile Tillman?
--
Siegfried Pinkerton
* Musik ist eine heilige Kunst *
--- The "point", mired in the doofus-ramblings, was that they WOULD
NOT do that!!
Ah, for shame, Sieg!....and seconds after _I_ admired _your_ choice
of ....(ahem)... Siegnature-quote!! :-(
Leonard Tillman
is _tresbirri_ (not "tresbErri" , as a certain "challenged" one declares
)!!
Leonard Tillman
"Regarding the little cutesie-poo reference to the good people of France
made by the " -21 " individual (ugh!!):
The French are, _in my experience_ at
least, a people of intelligence and discernment!! As for their
admiration of Jerry Lewis as a comedy icon, let's remember that what he
did was effective, if not exactly... subtle!! --- and he DOES some good
around Labor Day, IIRC!!
Best, LT
Don Paolo
DonP.
tresbirri <tres...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2036171.00...@drn.newsguy.com...
Ancona21
least, a people of intelligence and discernment!! >>
The French are a nation of children and collaborators.
Ancona
Leonard Tillman
--- Both above statements are, course, generalizations.
And one will certainly find all four of the abovementioned
categories in EVERY nation ( and, with the possible exception of
collaborators, - in every _community_)
LT
.
Best, LT
" The postman is AFRAID to ring twice in California!!
- The second push might cause a building-collapse!!!"
Andre Edouard
> The French are a nation of children and collaborators.
> Ancona
But, yours is _wronger_.
AndreEdouard
Leonard Tillman
--- Alas (is he really a lass?) , Ancona21 has "fled the thread" ,
taking refuge back at "Wagner in Israel".....to pilfer a Falafel, no
doubt!!
Best, LT
"If rich people could hire other people to die for them, the poor could
make a wonderful living."
Yiddish Proverb
REG
"Andre Edouard" <and...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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REG
serve...."
"dtritter" <dtri...@bway.net> wrote in message
news:3B220C5B...@bway.net...
REG
have a flame war ( and not consider the other person a troll -
"Leonard Tillman" <tapef...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:9866-3B2...@storefull-212.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
GRNDPADAVE
>Date: 06/10/2001 6:02 PM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: <X%SU6.10118$wh6.1...@typhoon.nyc.rr.com>
>
>Some people believe that it should not be, "If not elected, I will
>serve...."
>
Perhaps it should be:
"If not elected, I will appeal to the United States Supreme Court to have the
ballots of those who voted against me remain uncounted."
==G/P Dave
Andre Edouard
stuff.
Beaujolais is my preferred quaff. I save Merlot for unwanted guests.
Pinot Grigio I save for calabrian criminals.
Andre the Sot
Ancona21
"If not elected, I will appeal to the United States Supreme Court to have the
ballots of those who voted against me remain uncounted." >>
Get over it, G/P. Bush is in office, and Al Gore has given all his earth-tone
clothes to the Goodwill.
Ancona
Leonard Tillman
Heck, if elected, - _I_ will serve,
Let's just get the PLONKS all set, maybe a coupla cyber-thumbscrews,
and if worse comes to worse, a cyber-noose :-)
And, I promise to NOT deploy them for any trivial reasons (not even
for dis- ing Bjoerling......uhh..well, maybe.....thaaat)!!
Best, LT
"A spoon does not know the taste of soup, nor a learned fool the taste
of wisdom."
French Proverb
Leonard Tillman
"It's really not fair leonard, to brand Ancona as a troll - it is
possible to have a flame war ( and not consider the other person a troll
-"
--- Considering all of Ancona's nonsense,
I was being genteel!!
I respect you and a great majority on rmo, but this
character/troll wants to play games, he initiated them, is yet contining
them - and I'm waiting for a complete truce before I'll "cease fire"
<G> !!
LT
Leonard Tillman" <tapef...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:9866-3B2...@storefull-212.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
Evelyn (in reply to a troll's invective re - LT): "You have? Why? He
often has some very interesting things to say. "
--- Thanks for that!! - but please don't expect an
honest, or even
rational answer
from such an incorrigable troll! - You won't receive any!!
Sincerely,
LT"
Best, LT
GRNDPADAVE
>Date: 06/10/2001 7:52 PM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: <3B241653...@bellsouth.net>
And what do your educated palates declare on the subject of Cabernet Sauvignon
-- whether it be Gallic or Gallo-ic?
==G/P Dave
>> > > >
>> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Leonard Tillman
"If not elected, I will appeal to the United States Supreme Court to
have the ballots of those who voted against me remain uncounted."
==G/P Dave"
--- If neither nominated nor elected,
......I will audition that Naxos Rigoletto!!
... AND continue to cyber-flog rmo's "Crocked-Hairass" wannabe
(ANCONA-20, - demoted from 21)!!
Andre Edouard
Andre
Leonard Tillman
result be........
..Champipple??