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Torquil

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Aug 27, 2007, 11:29:35 AM8/27/07
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The thread on definitions of opera got me to wondering about choruses.
I have read that Britten's "The Rape of Lucretia" has none, and that
Handel revived "Acis and Galatea" without the choruses. But are there
any 'mainstream' operas that were composed without choruses? I don't
know whether a definition of 'chorus' is needed, but let us suppose
that it means an ensemble number in which there is more than one voice
to a part. Tips?

Tor

Stephen Jay-Taylor

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Aug 27, 2007, 12:30:19 PM8/27/07
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"Siegfried", conducted entirely as monologues and duologues. Wagner makes no
use of a chorus throughout the "Ring" at all until Act II of
"Götterdämmerung"

"Ariadne auf Naxos", "Capriccio" and "Salome" ( discounting the five jews,
anyway usually cast as either passé or up-and-coming soloists ).

"The Turn of the Screw" and "Death in Venice"

SJT


EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)

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Aug 27, 2007, 1:07:28 PM8/27/07
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I haven't seen either that often, so I may be mistaken,
but I don't remember a chorus in Copland's "The Tender
Land", nor in Barber's "Vanessa".

Dave Seaman

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Aug 27, 2007, 1:29:18 PM8/27/07
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Schoenberg's "Erwartung" (only one character) and Bartok's "Bluebeard's
Castle" (only two). These one-act operas were once done as a double bill
at the Met with Jessye Norman remaining on stage for almost the entire
evening.

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La Donna Mobile

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Aug 27, 2007, 4:40:23 PM8/27/07
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I have never seen it but I suppose La Voix Humaine has no chorus.

I was tempted to say Cosi fan Tutte but it does, I think.

EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)

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Aug 27, 2007, 5:56:12 PM8/27/07
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Dave Seaman wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 08:29:35 -0700, Torquil wrote:
>
>>The thread on definitions of opera got me to wondering about choruses.
>>I have read that Britten's "The Rape of Lucretia" has none, and that
>>Handel revived "Acis and Galatea" without the choruses. But are there
>>any 'mainstream' operas that were composed without choruses? I don't
>>know whether a definition of 'chorus' is needed, but let us suppose
>>that it means an ensemble number in which there is more than one voice
>>to a part. Tips?
>
>
> Schoenberg's "Erwartung" (only one character) and Bartok's "Bluebeard's
> Castle" (only two). These one-act operas were once done as a double bill
> at the Met with Jessye Norman remaining on stage for almost the entire
> evening.

Menotti "The Telephone", Pergolesi "La Serva Padrona",
Wolf-Ferrari "Secret of Suzanne".
>
>
>

Elektra

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Aug 28, 2007, 1:14:13 AM8/28/07
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Schicchi, Ariadne, Rheingold, Siegfried.,Elekttra, Salome.among others

Mark

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Aug 28, 2007, 1:23:30 AM8/28/07
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On Aug 28, 1:14 am, Elektra <CharlesHandel...@cs.com> wrote:
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> Schicchi, Ariadne, Rheingold, Siegfried.,Elekttra, Salome.among others

Did you get that answer by reading the previous 6 posts where all
those operas were mentioned? Nice work.

Terry Simmons

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Aug 28, 2007, 8:24:33 AM8/28/07
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In article <1188228575.8...@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>,
Torquil <torquil....@gmail.com> wrote:

Not sure. Is there a chorus in Capriccio? Or Rosenkavalier? Werther?
Elektra? Arabella? I don't think a chorus turns up in "Der Ring" until
the final "Gotterdammerung". As far as I can recall, the chorus has
surprisingly little to do in "La Boheme". And I think Britten is a
likely hunting-ground. I can't remember chorus in "Albert Herring",
"Turn of the Screw", "Death in Venice" or "Owen Wingrave", but I don't
think these qualify as "mainstream", really. The same probably goes for
various baroque operas such as "Serva Padrona", "Pimpinone" and
Monteverdi's "Poppea". I don't recall choruses in "Gianni Schicchi" or
"Il Tabarro".

Terry Simmons

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Aug 28, 2007, 8:28:29 AM8/28/07
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In article <1188278610.7...@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>,
Mark <mark.c...@gmail.com> wrote:

You shouldn't assume posts arrive at all destinations in chronological
order. More than once I've had the experience of replying to a post,
only to learn later that an earlier poster has supplied just about the
same information. (I suspect that I've just done it again.)

Mark

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Aug 28, 2007, 9:22:29 AM8/28/07
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On Aug 28, 8:24 am, Terry Simmons <tlste...@tpgi.com.au> wrote:
> In article <1188228575.841849.179...@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>,


It seems to me that the 5 serving women in the beginning of Elektra
perform the part of a "Greek Chorus", exposing and commenting on parts
of the story. As for La Boheme, the entire second act is taken on by
the chorus and children's chorus. La Serva Padrona couldn't possibly
have a chorus since there are only 2 singing parts. Tabarro has men's
chorus singing off stage or "below deck" briefly. Monteverdi's earlier
work Orfeo is full of choruses, but Poppea employs more of the "Greek
Chorus" effect in comments from bystanders and soldiers.

John Gund

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Aug 28, 2007, 1:03:58 PM8/28/07
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> Not sure. Is there a chorus in Capriccio? Or Rosenkavalier? Werther?
> Elektra? Arabella? I don't think a chorus turns up in "Der Ring" until
> the final "Gotterdammerung". As far as I can recall, the chorus has
> surprisingly little to do in "La Boheme". And I think Britten is a
> likely hunting-ground. I can't remember chorus in "Albert Herring",
> "Turn of the Screw", "Death in Venice" or "Owen Wingrave", but I don't
> think these qualify as "mainstream", really. The same probably goes for
> various baroque operas such as "Serva Padrona", "Pimpinone" and
> Monteverdi's "Poppea". I don't recall choruses in "Gianni Schicchi" or
> "Il Tabarro".

Just to save somebody a little research time. These are the ones that I
remember out of the above list off the top of my head:

Rosenkavalier - has chorus in Acts 2 & 3
La Boheme - The chorus is involved in all of Act 2 and the beginning of
Act 3
Albert Herring & Turn of the Screw - no chorus
Death in Venice - a lot of Chorus. The final 10-15 minutes of Act 1 are
almost exclusively taken up with "Choral Dances"

AlisonC

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Aug 28, 2007, 3:07:27 PM8/28/07
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>
> I was tempted to say Cosi fan Tutte but it does, I think.

Yes, they sing "Bella vita militar" a lot, but not much else.

I believe Handel's operas didn't really have choruses - the (usually
relatively few) bits marked "coro" were sung by the soloists, and they
are still sometimes performed this way today. In the Glyndebourne
"Giulio Cesare" the two deceased characters returned to sing the
choruses in the final scene - though they would probably have done it
offstage in Handel's time I imagine.

AlisonC

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Aug 28, 2007, 3:39:34 PM8/28/07
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Sorry to contradict but there is a chorus in "Death in Venice" isn't
there? - they sing quite a lot during the Games of Apollo, but at
other times as well.

Tom White

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Aug 28, 2007, 10:21:09 PM8/28/07
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Torquil <torquil....@gmail.com> wrote:
+ The thread on definitions of opera got me to wondering about choruses.
+ I have read that Britten's "The Rape of Lucretia" has none, and that
+ Handel revived "Acis and Galatea" without the choruses. But are there
+ any 'mainstream' operas that were composed without choruses? I don't
+ know whether a definition of 'chorus' is needed, but let us suppose
+ that it means an ensemble number in which there is more than one voice
+ to a part. Tips?

How about RUSALKA? The three wood-sprites always appear together,
but they do get separate billing (first, second, and third), and
they don't always sing the same part.

edo...@gmail.com

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Aug 29, 2007, 12:57:56 AM8/29/07
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On Aug 27, 12:30 pm, "Stephen Jay-Taylor" <sjaytay...@btinternet.com>
wrote:

I don't believe Puccini uses a chorus in either Il Tabarro or Gianni
Schicchi.

Ed

Ourrias

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Aug 29, 2007, 5:18:42 PM8/29/07
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Not "Werther." Remember the children singing Christmas carols in the last
act?


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Robert Sheaffer

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Aug 31, 2007, 1:54:23 PM8/31/07
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premie...@aol.com wrote:

> I don't believe Puccini uses a chorus in either Il Tabarro or Gianni
> Schicchi.
>
> Ed
>

Correct about Schicchi. There are some ensemble scenes, however, in
Tabarro, not certain if it's actually a "chorus."

Actually, a chorus is not 'many voices singing at the same time', but
rather, 'more than one voice singing exactly the same part.'

Schicchi has some elaborate parts for 5 and 6 singers, but each is
individually scripted. The nine Valkyries in their famous "ride" have
individual names, and individual parts. So it is not a "chorus."

Robert

Binkie Huckaback

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Sep 1, 2007, 4:03:19 AM9/1/07
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On Aug 28, 11:22 pm, Mark <mark.clave...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Poppea employs more of the "Greek

> Chorus" effect in comments from bystanders and soldiers.-

Until the coronazione itself, when a chorus appears to celebrate the
occasion.

BH (AH)

bocho...@gmail.com

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chromolume

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Both operas do indeed have choruses. The "Stomp Your Foot" number from The Tender Land is, I would think, probably the most popular music in the opera next to Laurie's Graduation Aria. In Vanessa, there is the church hymn at the end of Act I and the reprise of "Under The Willow Tree" at the ball.

chsiii

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May 26, 2014, 11:25:39 AM5/26/14
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I don't know about "mainstream", but:

Der Schauspieldirektor

Il Segreto di Susanna

The Old Maid and the Thief

Intermezzo (?)



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El lunes, 27 de agosto de 2007 10:29:35 UTC-5, Torquil escribi�:

Aage Johansen

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On 23.05.2014 13:32, bocho...@gmail.com wrote:
> El lunes, 27 de agosto de 2007 10:29:35 UTC-5, Torquil escribi�:
>> The thread on definitions of opera got me to wondering about choruses.
>> I have read that Britten's "The Rape of Lucretia" has none, and that
>> Handel revived "Acis and Galatea" without the choruses. But are there
>> any 'mainstream' operas that were composed without choruses? I don't
>> know whether a definition of 'chorus' is needed, but let us suppose
>> that it means an ensemble number in which there is more than one voice
>> to a part. Tips?
>>
>> Tor
>
> http://opera.stanford.edu/misc/UnaVoce.html
>


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