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Nabucco - which recording?

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Brian Vohnsen

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Jan 11, 2001, 7:54:25 AM1/11/01
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Having no recording of Nabucco yet I should probably get one this Verdi
year.
Which one should I choose. I have heard both love and hate towards the
Sinopoli recording. Maybe another one is to be preferred?
Thanks for any advice,
Brian.


nick groth

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Jan 11, 2001, 10:57:28 AM1/11/01
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My vote would be for the Gobbi-Suliotis recording conducted by Gardelli on
LONDON 417 407-2--a real "barn-burner". No other one comes close IMHO.
Nick Groth
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MD

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Jan 11, 2001, 2:07:03 PM1/11/01
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It will be of course a matter of personal taste. I share your annoyance
with the Sinopoli. The dynamics are so wildly differentiated, that you
almost can't HEAR half the recording... the minute you go to turn the
volume up, it blasts your speakers across the state. Still, Dimitrova's
Abigaille is thrillingly sung, and rock solid, technically. I have
always found Capucilli's voice wooden and uninteresting, though he does
sing it musically. I don't know if the EMI Nabucco with Scotto and
Mannaguera was ever issued on CD, and have not heard it, though I adore
his voice... a most underrated singer. Scotto taking on Abigaille is
rank folly, even for a recording. I enjoy the Naples performance with
Callas and Bechi, though the sound is dreadful. There is another "live"
recording with Bastianini and Cerqueti which has much to recommend it.

I suppose the best available Nabucco would be the Decca set with Gobbi
and Suliotis. The conducting is splendid and the recorded sound
likewise. Gobbi is dramatic, but is near the end vocally, and shouts a
good bit. Suliotis is startling. She is committing vocal suicide on
every page of the score, but the results are thrilling. An eerie voice,
with a rapid vibrato, and a chest register brought higher than the laws
of physics would seem to allow.

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wk...@my-deja.com

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Jan 11, 2001, 2:39:28 PM1/11/01
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In article <3A5E04A...@home.com>,
MD <mde...@home.com> wrote:

>I don't know if the EMI Nabucco with Scotto and
>Mannaguera was ever issued on CD,

It was, but it's probably OOP at this point.

>and have not heard it, though I adore
>his voice... a most underrated singer.

Yes indeed. Probably the finest Verdi baritone of his time, and
woefully underrepresented on record.

Bill
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Henson Keys

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Jan 11, 2001, 2:46:45 PM1/11/01
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By the way, any posters planning to attend this season's NABUCCO at the Met
would be well advised to seek out Andrea Gruber's performances as Abigaille.
Her Odabella in Chicago's ATTILA was very well sung--it is a huge dramatic
sound, reminiscent of Dimitrova. She seems determined to sing the heaviest
roles early in her career, so go to hear her soon!


Ernani415

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Jan 11, 2001, 4:25:07 PM1/11/01
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>By the way, any posters planning to attend this season's NABUCCO at the Met
>would be well advised to seek out Andrea Gruber's performances as Abigaille.

Andrea Gruber graced the San Francisco audience with her Abigaille last year.
The voice was a mess -- disjointed registers and major pushing. But just when
you were about to dismiss her, she would sing a fabulous phrase here and there.
Whenever she sang softly and decided not to scream, she was quite good.
Abigaille is a monster of a role, but unless she has improved significantly, or
has decided not to shriek her way through it she will be a disappointment.

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Figaropcb

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Jan 11, 2001, 8:42:43 PM1/11/01
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I vote for Gobbi/Suliotis on London. It's very exciting.

Whichever one you end up with, enjoy!

Regards,

Paul

Figaropcb

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Jan 11, 2001, 8:51:53 PM1/11/01
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"I don't know if the EMI Nabucco with Scotto and Mannaguera was ever issued on
CD, and have not heard it, though I adore>his voice... a most underrated
singer."
-----------------
1) Yes, the EMI NABUCCO with Manuguerra/Scotto is available on CD.
2) I agree with everyone who posted that Manuguerra was underrated. He was an
excellent singer.

Regards,

Paul

TColl65159

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Jan 12, 2001, 6:48:05 AM1/12/01
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The definitive one usually chosen by the experts and critics is the
Gobbi,Souliotis recording. I also like Muti/Scotto very much. Sinopoli is not
at all bad. The Bruson/Guleghina does not quite come off. avoid at all costs
the cheap Arena di Verona with a dreadful RoarkStrummer. for sheer excitement
though go to Callas live in Naples-appalling sound but what a night that was!
Trev(UK)

GRNDPADAVE

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Jan 12, 2001, 7:20:48 AM1/12/01
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>From: tcoll...@aol.com (TColl65159)
>Date: 01/12/2001 5:48 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <20010112064805...@ng-fo1.aol.com>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
In my opinion one cannot do better than the very inexpensive Opera d'oro
recording.

Gavazzeni outpaces Gardeli, Muti and Sinopoli in giving a more flexible and yet
impassioned performances.

Suliotis is marvelous here (as she is in the Gardelli recording) but I prefer
Guelfi to Gobbi.

You can get all of this for about $10.

Enjoy !!

==G/P Dave


L2131

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Jan 13, 2001, 9:49:58 PM1/13/01
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I like the Sinopolis but the Decca recording with Gobbi and Suliotis, conducted
by Gardell, is just as good.

emma albani

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Jan 13, 2001, 11:45:33 PM1/13/01
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In article <93l25f$l2o$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,

wk...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <3A5E04A...@home.com>,
> MD <mde...@home.com> wrote:
>
> >I don't know if the EMI Nabucco with Scotto and
> >Mannaguera was ever issued on CD,
>
> It was, but it's probably OOP at this point.
>

Not that anyone is interested but it is available. It has a curious
authenticity about it. Many criticised Scotto as "wrong" for Abigaille.
But Giusepina Strepponi, the first Abigaille, had *saved* the Scala
season a few months before Nabucco by singing Adina in L'elisir d'amore
innumerable times. Verdi evidently saw nothing wrong with that kind of
voice in Nabucco. Scotto was of course a famous Adina and though by the
time of the recording had taken on many "heavier" parts and lost her
earlier ease, the bright penetrating sound and the delicacy she could
still command might have pleased the composer more than the incessant
screaming that is usually thought "right" for this part.

Talking about screaming I'd still put in a vote for the old Cetra
recording now on Fonit Warner for abnout $10 American with my cousin
Caterina Mancini wailing away, the wonderful Silveri as Nabucco and a
very lively attack (sic) on the work by all concerned (some cuts too).
That's quite a good transfer.

I think all the others are problematical. Suliotis certainly had major
talent and cojones to burn but there are still a lot of approximations;
Gobbi is well past his best and forced the only cut in the recording
(the repeat of "o prodi miei") and you have to deal with the poor Cava
(presumably in for Ghiaurov or Siepi) in the long role of Zaccaria. I
think the live Suliotis (available in various versions some cheap) from
La Scala is more fun and Ghiaurov is in better shape than for Muti
(Nabucco is Guelfi).

I've never enjoyed the Sinopoli which for all the conductor's playing
around seems oddly bland to me. But this live performance (especially
the video)with my sister Zampieri and Bruson is loads of fun.

I like the Muti within reason though in my opinion it doesn't
quite "click" as a performance -- maybe too many English people around
and the oddly cast if fun Obratsova as Fenena (my part, the sweet
gentle baby sister). I agree about Manuguerra and I like Scotto very
much.

emma albani proud sister of Mrs. John Claggart

mauriz

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Jan 14, 2001, 6:41:43 AM1/14/01
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emma albani schrieb in Nachricht <93ratc$mfc$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
<snip>

>I've never enjoyed the Sinopoli which for all the conductor's playing
>around seems oddly bland to me. But this live performance (especially
>the video)with my sister Zampieri and Bruson is loads of fun.
<snip>

Hm, I wished there were a live performance of your sister Zampieri's Abigaille available on either CD or video, but this one is
MACBETH - she did sing many times and numerous roles under Sinopoli, from Tatjana to Manon Lescaut, but as far as I remember never
was his Abigaille.
My vote for a NABUCCO recording goes to the Muti with Manuguerra and Scotto.

Stephan


David7Gable

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Jan 17, 2001, 3:33:11 AM1/17/01
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>My vote would be for the Gobbi-Suliotis recording conducted by Gardelli on
>LONDON 417 407-2--a real "barn-burner". No other one comes close IMHO.

I couldn't agree more.

-david gable

David7Gable

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Jan 17, 2001, 3:34:22 AM1/17/01
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>Suliotis is startling. She is committing vocal suicide on
>every page of the score, but the results are thrilling.

I couldn't agree more.

-david gable

David7Gable

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Jan 17, 2001, 3:36:40 AM1/17/01
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>There are two with Suliotis, one of the greatest Abigaille's of all
>time:

Steven Eldredge

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Jan 23, 2001, 9:24:57 PM1/23/01
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I would go with the older Decca with Gobbi and Souliotis. She gives an amazing
performance that leaves me to wonder if she could even talk afterwards. But as
perverse as Sinopoli's performance is, and as dry and unininteresting as
Capucilli is in the title role, Ghena Dimitrova gives a reading of Abigaille
that is so thrilling and so dead on every note I doubt we will hear the likes
of it any time soon. So, I suppose you should hear them both!

GRNDPADAVE

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Jan 24, 2001, 6:53:50 AM1/24/01
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Stop qvetching. Get the Opera d'oro recording. Just $10.

==G/P Dave

si...@webtv.net

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Jan 24, 2001, 9:48:47 PM1/24/01
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>Stop qvetching. Get the Opera d'oro
> recording. Just $10.
>=G/P Dave

Ok, G/P Dave, all right already, you won. I ordered it today (along with
the Sills' Daughter of the Regiment which, please, please don't let be
the pressing from another company I already have) You've never steered
me wrong yet when I follow your recommendations. Best John

Meist01

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Jan 29, 2001, 6:42:53 PM1/29/01
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I agree
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