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Hey, What ever happened to...Kathleen Battle..???

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tofla

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Jan 20, 2004, 8:23:58 PM1/20/04
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Just curious, maybe I missed something,
but what ever happened to Kathleen
Battle? Left NYC? Went to Europe?
Got Married...? What?

Harry Haller

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Jan 20, 2004, 8:49:23 PM1/20/04
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Indeed, there seems to be little current information on this, one of the
US's most beautiful singers, online.

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OmbraRecds

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Jan 20, 2004, 8:59:27 PM1/20/04
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Wigged out at the Met and they sacked her. Then the voice shot craps with even
more wacky behavior at concerts and a shop lifting incident to boot. No opera
house will touch her now.

PCB

Alcindoro

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Jan 20, 2004, 9:39:53 PM1/20/04
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>a shop lifting incident to boot.<

Although I am no great fan this statement is unfair and irresponsible. The
incident you seem to be referring to was widely reported to be an unpleasant
scene in a store concerning Ms. Battle's disatisfaction (however reasonable or
not) with the store's policies, and not shoplifting.


EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)

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Jan 20, 2004, 9:47:18 PM1/20/04
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Harry Haller wrote:
>
> Indeed, there seems to be little current information on this, one of the
> US's most beautiful singers, online.

Perhaps her misplaced displays of "temperament" caused her career to
self-destruct? From the reports which flooded these newsgroups (and the
news) a couple of years ago, she carried the "prima donna" image a bit
too far - with her colleagues, where it really matters, not just with
her "public".

Parterrebox

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Jan 20, 2004, 11:12:09 PM1/20/04
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Last I heard, Ms. Battle tours annually, singing 15 or so engagements and
making very good money at it. One thing she is very smart about is exactly what
music best flatters the current estate of her voice. No doubt handling her is
something of a challenge, but I have not heard any reports of empty theaters.
=============

parterre box
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OndineUno

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Jan 21, 2004, 12:00:08 AM1/21/04
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Oh who gives a rat's ass? That black bitch is gone from the opera houses I
frequent and that is all I care about. Good riddance to bad rubbish. OO

comes...@hotmail.com

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Jan 21, 2004, 1:24:36 AM1/21/04
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"UndineUno", must you conclude every one of your posts with a flaunting
of your IQ ranking?

~ Roger

donpaolo

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Jan 21, 2004, 9:12:43 AM1/21/04
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Understand that she's having a wild fling with Pav!

DonP.


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jszostaksr

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Jan 21, 2004, 11:23:28 AM1/21/04
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I first met Ms. Battle when she sang the 'Page' in 'Ballo' at LOC...with
Pavarotti...some years back. She was a bit reticent and somewhat worried
about being on stage with the 'Lucianissimo'...so the chorus pretty much
took a liking to her and her really beautiful voice and features...we were
very supportive and guarded of her in those performances...I was very
pleased to see her career bloom.

Years latter...when she had gotten to 'Diva' status...I read where she was
involved with getting a production director fired because he disagree with
her...then the rest started...'Prima Donna ASSoluta'...what a shame...what a
waste of talent supplanted with misdirected ego.

She is what she is today...by her own making...once a great artist...now an
operatic pariah...more's the pity.

Jon E. Szostak, Sr.


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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)

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Jan 21, 2004, 11:23:06 AM1/21/04
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comes...@hotmail.com wrote:
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> "UndineUno", must you conclude every one of your posts with a flaunting
> of your IQ ranking?

ROTFL!

Terrymelin

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Jan 21, 2004, 12:05:43 PM1/21/04
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She sang at Ravinia's gala last season and it was a complete disaster. She
refused to come out for bows with Denyce Graves and refused to sing the agreed
upon duets. She put on a real "show" so to speak. I seriously doubt she will
ever be asked back.

Terry Ellsworth

Blackguard

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Jan 21, 2004, 12:26:15 PM1/21/04
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I saw her last March in recital and she was absolutely superb.
Telly


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ML/NJ

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Jan 21, 2004, 9:49:48 PM1/21/04
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> I saw her last March in recital and she was absolutely superb.

But never better than at the conclusion of this duet from the Feb 1981
broadcast of L'Italiana in Algeri where she soars above the chorus.
(http://home.att.net/~mlnj3/IiAExcerpt.mp3) What a glorious note!

ML/NJ

gerberk

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Jan 22, 2004, 2:11:45 AM1/22/04
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WOW
"ML/NJ" <ml...@att.net> schreef in bericht
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DonJose38

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Jan 22, 2004, 2:42:18 AM1/22/04
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How old is Miss Battle???

Rob in St. Louis

comes...@hotmail.com

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Jan 22, 2004, 10:08:36 AM1/22/04
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Rob aked
<<How old is Miss Battle?>>

Souces say she was born August 13, 1948.

~Roger

Pat Finley

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Jan 22, 2004, 3:24:58 PM1/22/04
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> Rob aked
> <<How old is Miss Battle?>>
>
> Souces say she was born August 13, 1948.
> ==========================================

A day fraught with astrological portents (note my (daytime) AOL name
above).

And it was a Friday, to boot.

Unfortunately baby Battle and I were the last two infants waiting in
line for our talents and virtues on that fateful August night, and
those qualities had been pretty well picked over by the time we
crawled to the front of the line.

Ms B quickly snatched up all of the remaining talent and looks (there
was an abundance of each), most of the personality, and the last few
crumbs of amiability.

Leaving me with an overflowing basketful of self-righteousness and
undersized portions of whimsy, consternation, and spite.

So you see, it's not my fault.


Pat

Bravissimadiva

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Jan 22, 2004, 11:31:39 PM1/22/04
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What Ravinia Gala were you at? It surely couldn't have been the same
one I attended, July 11, 2003. I seem to remember very enthusiatic
cheering, and an equally warm reception at the dinner following the
actual concert, not to mention an impressed media. I destinctly recall
a Concert Ending with Bobby McFerrin and The Chicago Childrens Choir,
with much audience participation for the finale "He's got the whole
world in his hands". Ravinia Programs are printed weeks in advance, as
they generally contain nearly a month of proagramimg. There were no
progam changes, certainly no announcements that eve. And as for Bows,
why bow together if you've sang an individual program?
My Two Cents.
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Mack Dixon

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Jan 23, 2004, 9:31:15 PM1/23/04
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ondi...@aol.com (OndineUno) wrote in message news:<20040121000008...@mb-m19.aol.com>...

> Oh who gives a rat's ass? That black bitch is gone from the opera houses I
> frequent and that is all I care about. Good riddance to bad rubbish. OO


This response says a a great deal about you as a person.
It seems quite clear that you are unfortunately concerned
more with her skin color than her talent. Sure she may
need an attitude check, but your comment of her is so
tacky and underserved.

HenryFogel

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Jan 24, 2004, 11:18:11 AM1/24/04
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>Subject: Re: Hey, What ever happened to...Kathleen Battle..???
>From: md...@hotmail.com (Mack Dixon)
>Date: 1/23/2004 8:31 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <3372effb.04012...@posting.google.com>

And overtly racist as well. (Would Ondine have called a reputedly difficult
Caucasian soprano a "white bitch?" I sincerely doubt it).
Henry Fogel

Oisk17

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Jan 24, 2004, 4:03:49 PM1/24/04
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>happened to...Kathleen Battle..???

I loved her voice. I heard her live only once, and was a bit disappointed; she
sounds better to me on records. Outside of opera, the Chrismas CD she did with
Von Stade has some really magnificent singing. She also appeared with the
Vienna one New Years Eve, and she sounded as lovely as she looked.

Second comment. The thing that calls itself Ondine is now the sole resident of
my "plonk" list.

From Pat (snip)


> Leaving me with an overflowing basketful of self-righteousness and
>undersized portions of whimsy, consternation, and spite.
>
>So you see, it's not my fault.

Not so. You have plenty of whimsy. And about an average portion of spite, I
would say...

Regards,

Paul

Terrymelin

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Jan 24, 2004, 4:13:58 PM1/24/04
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>And overtly racist as well. (Would Ondine have called a reputedly difficult
>Caucasian soprano a "white bitch?" I sincerely doubt it).
>Henry Fogel

I'm sure most would agree that Kathleen Battle is a bitch. Her race has
absolutely nothing to do with it and has no place in this discussion.

Terry Ellsworth

Richard Loeb

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Jan 24, 2004, 4:28:10 PM1/24/04
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And that's exactly where that "thing" belongs - in a large pile of the stuff
it spews over this ng. A real case for Dr. Freud. Richard
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REG

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Jan 24, 2004, 6:16:57 PM1/24/04
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Agreed, Henry, but let's just ignore everything Ondine does. It's tried to
rehabilitate itself in the last couple of months, but a stink is a stink.
Let's just continue to look the other way.

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Mark D Lew

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Jan 24, 2004, 8:27:08 PM1/24/04
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In article <20040124111811...@mb-m10.aol.com>, HenryFogel
<henry...@aol.com> wrote:

> And overtly racist as well. (Would Ondine have called a reputedly difficult
> Caucasian soprano a "white bitch?" I sincerely doubt it).

I'm not so sure. I've heard people say "white bitch" quite a bit. It's
not all that uncommon among people who speak with a "San Francisco
accent".

I agree with Terry on this one: "bitch" is accurate, "black" is
irrelevant.

mdl

Alcindoro

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Jan 24, 2004, 10:07:29 PM1/24/04
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>I'm not so sure. I've heard people say "white bitch" quite a bit. It's not
all that uncommon among people who speak with a "San Francisco accent".<

I personally cannot recall anyone being referred to as a "white bitch".

"White Witch" maybe.

"But that's another story/never mind/ anyway..."

REG

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Jan 24, 2004, 10:10:43 PM1/24/04
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I thouht that was what Barbara Bush had called Geraldine Ferraro, but I
guess she just called her "rich".

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jszostaksr

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Jan 24, 2004, 11:22:26 PM1/24/04
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From Pat (snip)
> Leaving me with an overflowing basketful of self-righteousness and
>undersized portions of whimsy, consternation, and spite.
>
>So you see, it's not my fault.

Not so. You have plenty of whimsy. And about an average portion of spite, I
would say...

Regards,

Paul
----------------------------------------

Paul: Nice reply...I'm sure I'll be taking more interest in your future
postings. You see...intelligent discussion tempered with a bit of wit &
whimsy makes for some good, fun reading...maybe I'm just like the "...who
are you...my mother" line hurled at my head by...oh...I forget who...but
that's OK...I try to remain civilized.

Jon E. Szostak, Sr.

Mark D Lew

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Jan 25, 2004, 1:41:51 AM1/25/04
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In article <20040124220729...@mb-m21.aol.com>, Alcindoro
<alci...@aol.com> wrote:

> I personally cannot recall anyone being referred to as a "white bitch".

Maybe it's a Left Coast thing. Neither is common, and neither is nice,
but I would guess that I've heard "white bitch" more often than "black
bitch".

mdl

Jim Smith

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Jan 27, 2004, 11:38:09 AM1/27/04
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Mark D Lew <mark...@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<240120041726586101%mark...@earthlink.net>...

Is "bitch" relevant? To what?

Jim Smith

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Jan 27, 2004, 11:41:57 AM1/27/04
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I don't see it. There's nothing wrong with being black. Calling her a
'bitch' is insulting. Surely that's the word to take issue with?

Mark D Lew

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Jan 27, 2004, 5:33:17 PM1/27/04
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In article <8fb15f4c.04012...@posting.google.com>, Jim Smith
<jim...@post.com> wrote:

> Is "bitch" relevant? To what?

To hiring. If you're an opera company deciding which singers to
contract with, you don't really care what color the prospect's skin is.
You do care, very much, if the prospect is consistently difficult to
work with, alienates other artists, wastes rehearsal time, is
unreliable in her commitments, makes the whole process less enjoyable
for everyone, etc.

[Jim again, in another post]

> I don't see it. There's nothing wrong with being black. Calling her a
> 'bitch' is insulting. Surely that's the word to take issue with?

Yeah, it's insulting, but it's accurate. I suppose you could state it
more diplomatically, but it's rather a difficult challenge to find a
phrase which communicates the same information in ten words or less.

Anyway, your logic here is completely backward. Suppose I describe
some baritone as being a man who has "long hair and a horrible voice".
There's nothng wrong with having long hair, but saying that he has a
horrible voice is insulting. But the horrible voice is the part of the
description that really matters.

It's not a coincidence that the "insulting" part is also the relevant
part. You say "there's nothing wrong with being black." Exactly.
That's why it's irrelevant. There *is* something wrong with being a
bitch, and that's precisely why that *is* relevant.

mdl

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gggg...@gmail.com

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On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 at 5:40:34 PM UTC-10, dyan1...@gmail.com wrote:
> I live in her home town of Portsmouth Ohio and she is a regular at the Walmart there.The people who work there says she's always returning a lot of stuff with no receipt.She looks like a bag lady and is always mean to every one there.

It seems that the MET now needs her more than she needs them:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/05/arts/music/youre-unfired-kathleen-battle-is-returning-to-the-met-after-22-years.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=mini-moth&region=top-stories-below&WT.nav=top-stories-below&_r=0

Willem

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Apr 6, 2016, 5:24:22 AM4/6/16
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She will be singing exactly one recital of spirituals - no big deal
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