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"la Fille du Regiment" vs. other Donizetti operas?

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Sailbad Sinner

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Jan 14, 2004, 7:51:10 AM1/14/04
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How does "la Fille du Regiment" relate to other Donizetti operas?

TDK has recently released a couple of Donizetti's operas, namely "don
Pasquale" and "la Fille du Regiment". I bought the Pasquale, enjoyed
it to some extent, but thought that it is very much in the same league
with "l'Elisir d'Amore" (and Rossini's Barbiere) that two Donizetti
operas may suffice for me. I know that "la Fille du Regiment" is a
French opera, and Boyden's "Rough Guide to Opera" describes it as the
best French opera not written by a Frenchman. If my favorite composers
are Mozart, Verdi and Strauss, do you think I would like "la Fille du
Regiment"? Does it have any close musical relatives in, say, the Verdi
canon or among Rossini's French operas?

And assuming that the opera itself is good, has anyone evaluated this
recording?

Thanks in advance.

Sailbad Sinner

A Tsar Is Born

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Jan 14, 2004, 1:07:13 PM1/14/04
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"Sailbad Sinner" <ante...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> How does "la Fille du Regiment" relate to other Donizetti operas?
>
> TDK has recently released a couple of Donizetti's operas, namely "don
> Pasquale" and "la Fille du Regiment". I bought the Pasquale, enjoyed
> it to some extent, but thought that it is very much in the same league
> with "l'Elisir d'Amore" (and Rossini's Barbiere) that two Donizetti
> operas may suffice for me. I know that "la Fille du Regiment" is a
> French opera, and Boyden's "Rough Guide to Opera" describes it as the
> best French opera not written by a Frenchman.

Better than Meyerbeer's output, or Gretry's, or Lully's, or the French
operas of Gluck and Rossini and Verdi? Well, the man doesn't know what he's
talking about.

>If my favorite composers
> are Mozart, Verdi and Strauss, do you think I would like "la Fille du
> Regiment"? Does it have any close musical relatives in, say, the Verdi
> canon or among Rossini's French operas?

It has no close relatives in Verdi, not a major comic composer (had you
noticed?).
It isn't anything like Mozart or Strauss either.
Rossini's French operas are probably the closest.
It's an opera-comique with some lovely Italian melodies. Tres charmante.

> And assuming that the opera itself is good, has anyone evaluated this
> recording?

The opera itself is quite good, considerably more sophisticated and
elaborate than L'Elisir.

Hans Lick


Tom Kaufman

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Jan 14, 2004, 1:06:55 PM1/14/04
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>How does "la Fille du Regiment" relate to other Donizetti operas?

I prefer many of the more serious works.


>
>TDK has recently released a couple of Donizetti's operas, namely "don
>Pasquale" and "la Fille du Regiment". I bought the Pasquale, enjoyed
>it to some extent, but thought that it is very much in the same league
>with "l'Elisir d'Amore" (and Rossini's Barbiere) that two Donizetti
>operas may suffice for me

I suspect that you don't mean this as a compliment. Actually, L'elisir is my
favorite of all buffo operas, and, Donizetti being my favorite composer, 50 are
not enough for me.

. I know that "la Fille du Regiment" is a
>French opera, and Boyden's "Rough Guide to Opera" describes it as the
>best French opera not written by a Frenchman.

Not my opinion at all. My favorite French operas not written by Frenchmen are
the 6 by Meyerbeer, Verdi's Vepres and Don Carlos, and Donizetti's Favorite,
Dom Sebastien and Martyrs.

If my favorite composers
>are Mozart, Verdi and Strauss, do you think I would like "la Fille du
>Regiment"?

Impossible to say for sure. My problem with it is that it is too
soprano-centric, while I like tenors.

Does it have any close musical relatives in, say, the Verdi
>canon or among Rossini's French operas?

I don't think so.


>
>And assuming that the opera itself is good, has anyone evaluated this
>recording?

You say this recording. What is this recording--i.e. who is the TENOR? My
favorite recording is Pavarotti. Sopranos don't matter much to me.

Cheers

Tenormaniac


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>Thanks in advance.
>
>Sailbad Sinner
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Tom Kaufman
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Jan 14, 2004, 7:07:03 PM1/14/04
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ante...@hotmail.com (Sailbad Sinner) wrote in message news:<4dbf35cf.04011...@posting.google.com>...

> How does "la Fille du Regiment" relate to other Donizetti operas?
~~~~~~~~
This is one of his big 3 comedies along with
"Elisir d'amore" and "Don Pasquale"

"La Fille du Régiment" also exists in an Italian version. The
differences are largely the result of opéra-comique using spoken
dialogue while opera buffa uses recitative to advance the plot.

Mendelssohn was particularly fond of the opera.
~~~~~~~~~


>
> TDK has recently released a couple of Donizetti's operas, namely "don
> Pasquale" and "la Fille du Regiment". I bought the Pasquale, enjoyed
> it to some extent, but thought that it is very much in the same league
> with "l'Elisir d'Amore" (and Rossini's Barbiere) that two Donizetti
> operas may suffice for me. I know that "la Fille du Regiment" is a
> French opera, and Boyden's "Rough Guide to Opera" describes it as the
> best French opera not written by a Frenchman. If my favorite composers
> are Mozart, Verdi and Strauss, do you think I would like "la Fille du
> Regiment"? Does it have any close musical relatives in, say, the Verdi
> canon or among Rossini's French operas?

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You would like "La Fille du Régiment" for the following:

(1) The overture
(2) "Chacun le dit, chacun le sait"
(3) "Pour mon âme"
(4) "Salut à la France."

It is a cheerful, colorful opera.
~~~~~~~~

> And assuming that the opera itself is good, has anyone evaluated this
> recording?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Sailbad Sinner

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I'm not sure which recording you're referring to. The Sutherland /
Pavarotti is a classic. Pavarotti sing his 9 high C's with lustrous
abandon.

==G/P Dave

Tom Kaufman

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Jan 14, 2004, 8:13:59 PM1/14/04
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>"La Fille du Régiment" also exists in an Italian version. The
>differences are largely the result of opéra-comique using spoken
>dialogue while opera buffa uses recitative to advance the plot.

Actually, there also is a major difference. In the Pavarotti version (in
French), the star sings the aria "Pour me rapprocher de Marie", which McCormack
also recorded as a solo: "Per viver vicino a Maria"

I also have the Matteuzzi recording of the Italian version, where that is cut,
but is replaced in Act I by a tenor aria from Gianni di Calais which starts
with the words: "Feste pompe." I believe Valetti recorded the same aria as
well.

I usually listen to the Pavarotti.

Cheers

Tom

gerberk

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Jan 14, 2004, 8:48:02 PM1/14/04
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I got the dvd with Mariella Devia and i suppose its good but somehow this is
not my favourite Opera Its a little silly actually.Not Donizettis
masterpiece somehow.
"Tom Kaufman" <tomk...@aol.com> schreef in bericht
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Sailbad Sinner

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Jan 15, 2004, 2:11:49 AM1/15/04
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tomk...@aol.com (Tom Kaufman) wrote in message news:<20040114130655...@mb-m04.aol.com>...
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> You say this recording. What is this recording--i.e. who is the TENOR?

I forgot to say that I was referring to a dvd. (I think TDK only
publishes dvd's.) The entire cast list is here:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/dvd/B00008IAT2/cast-list/ref=ed_ra_cast_dp_1/202-8976479-6299802

But I can't say who the tenor is because I don't know which of the
male characters is the tenor.

Thanks for all who replied.

A Tsar Is Born

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"Sailbad Sinner" <ante...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> But I can't say who the tenor is because I don't know which of the
> male characters is the tenor.

The high one.

HL


Mark D Lew

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Jan 16, 2004, 3:16:55 AM1/16/04
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In article <RwLNb.4420$8R3....@nwrdny01.gnilink.net>, A Tsar Is Born
<Atsarisb...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > But I can't say who the tenor is because I don't know which of the
> > male characters is the tenor.
>
> The high one.

In that case, it was Tommy Chong.

Oh wait, wrong DVD.

mdl

jszostaksr

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Tonio is the main tenor part. Marie is the high soprano.

Jon E. Szostak, Sr.


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