Sabine Hass died
Wj598
She was announced in the cast of the new Scala production in April as
"Färberin".
I heard her two years ago as Bruennhilde in Essen and found her voice already
"tired." I don`t like her on the Voigt/Heppner /Sinopoli recording of "Frau". I
read today that she had cancer the past years already . I´ll never forget her
great Isolde she sang 199o in Basel/Switzerland (cond. Michael Boder)
Best............wolf(j)
Opvidfan
Although as a whole her final recording as the Faberin was not as successful as
I would want there was real fire in her interpretation. Especially in the
Schweight doch, ihr Steimmen! monologue. Her intense and longing coloring of
the name Barak is magical.
There is one video that capture her fire and full out singing and that is the
Elektra from Tokyo.
Ray in SF
Hemidemi
in the 80's.
Sara Freeman
I was there too. It was the first time I heard Gary Lakes. The Academy
of Music has such ambience--if you don't get stuck behind a post.
--
Dipsy: Hey, Tinky, why don't you show us
some of the magic you have in that
red bag?
Tinky: It's not magic. It's CRISCO.
Schmecki
glad to see you liked Sabine Hass.
Her death is a big loss, not only because she was a wonderful colleague and
friend (we did "Frau" in Paris and "Tristan" in Hambrg together), but also the
operaworld loses one of the few singers that are out there today who can bring
parts like Elektra, Faerberin, Isolde and Bruennhilde alive.
I'll never forget how beautiful she sang Isolde's Liebestod in Hamburg, after
a night of being enraged and forcefull in act 1, very much lovely and shining
in act 2 she let those endless lines float with magical piani.
In the last, I think 1 1/2 years, she had retired from stage due to her
illness. She was a wonderful down to earth person, great fun to be with and I
as many of the people that knew her will miss her very much.
Best, Jochen
Giovanni Christen
>In the last, I think 1 1/2 years, she had retired from stage due to her
>illness. She was a wonderful down to earth person, great fun to be with and I
>as many of the people that knew her will miss her very much.
She sang a still really fine Isolde in Zurich on Dec. 97 - Jan. 98, with
Siukola and Salminen.
GC
Studiva
death. Dearest Sabine, maybe there is a "singer's justice" after all and maybe
Leonie was wrong when she said if she had it all to do again, she wouldn't
become a singer. I'm still not sure on that, but I do know I've lost a great
colleague and we've lost a singer who could actually sing despite the lack of
hype. Imagine that! Your Empress is still ringing! Signed, your Falke, Cheryl
james jorden
Are you sure you didn't hear Mme. Rysanek wrong? I think she said that if YOU had
it to do over again, you shouldn't have been a singer.
And *please*, dear, spare us talk about hype. You wrote the book.
Studiva wrote:
--
james jorden
jjo...@ix.netcom.com
http://www.parterre.com
"Gay people not only keep opera going,
they keep plays about opera going."
--- Bette Midler
Opvidfan
If so I missed it.
Ray in SF
james jorden
they had a replacement they could rush into the breach.
Surely someone has tapes of some of this, so we can cut through the I Love
Cheryl Fan Club bullshit.
Opvidfan wrote:
--
pin...@my-dejanews.com
> Interestingly enough, I don't remember anyone posting August Everding's recent
> death. Dearest Sabine, maybe there is a "singer's justice" after all and maybe
> Leonie was wrong when she said if she had it all to do again, she wouldn't
> become a singer. I'm still not sure on that, but I do know I've lost a great
> colleague and we've lost a singer who could actually sing despite the lack of
> hype. Imagine that! Your Empress is still ringing! Signed, your Falke, Cheryl
----------------------
James Jorden replied:
I may vomit.
Are you sure you didn't hear Mme. Rysanek wrong? I think she said that if YOU
had it to do over again, you shouldn't have been a singer.
And *please*, dear, spare us talk about hype. You wrote the book.
----------------------
James,
You have gone a little too far on this one. Cool it.
Gabriel Bocanegra
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http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
Studiva
>I may vomit.
>
>Are you sure you didn't hear Mme. Rysanek wrong? I think she said that if
>YOU had
>it to do over again, you shouldn't have been a singer.
Dear James,
Your comments are most inappropriate here and show an utter disrespect for the
two ladies in question. Have you lost all sense of human decency?
And you continued to write:
>And *please*, dear, spare us talk about hype. You wrote the book.
>
>
OK. You want a discussion about hype. I'm game. Start a new thread and show a
little respect for the dead! CS
james jorden
the Kaiserin (a role "you" know very well "you" have not been able to sing in at
least five years, and will certainly never sing again), and to name-drop "Leonie."
If you were Cheryl Studer, I might show a little more respect -- after all, Cheryl
Studer is a hard-working and talented artist, not a silly opera queen -- like you!
Studiva wrote:
> James wrote:
> >I may vomit.
> >
> >Are you sure you didn't hear Mme. Rysanek wrong? I think she said that if
> >YOU had
> >it to do over again, you shouldn't have been a singer.
>
> Dear James,
> Your comments are most inappropriate here and show an utter disrespect for the
> two ladies in question. Have you lost all sense of human decency?
> OK. You want a discussion about hype. I'm game. Start a new thread and show a
> little respect for the dead!
You mean you want to talk about your career? Okay, what happened?
james jorden
pin...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> Studiva wrote:
>
> > Interestingly enough, I don't remember anyone posting August Everding's recent
> > death. Dearest Sabine, maybe there is a "singer's justice" after all and maybe
> > Leonie was wrong when she said if she had it all to do again, she wouldn't
> > become a singer. I'm still not sure on that, but I do know I've lost a great
> > colleague and we've lost a singer who could actually sing despite the lack of
> > hype. Imagine that! Your Empress is still ringing! Signed, your Falke, Cheryl
> ----------------------
>
> James Jorden replied:
>
> I may vomit.
>
> Are you sure you didn't hear Mme. Rysanek wrong? I think she said that if YOU
> had it to do over again, you shouldn't have been a singer.
>
> And *please*, dear, spare us talk about hype. You wrote the book.
> ----------------------
>
> James,
>
> You have gone a little too far on this one. Cool it.
>
> Gabriel Bocanegra
>
> -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
> http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
--
Wj598
>recent
>death. Dearest Sabine,
Guten Tag!
It was me who brought out the message about Sabine Hass`s death on this Board
and about the death from Everding I did the same but on the "Oasis". Sorry.
Best...........wolf(j)
b-n-dpatters
Sabine Hass. She was referring to Miss Hass' performance of the Empress,
in which Miss Studer sang the minor role of the Falcon, not to one of Miss
Studer's own Empress performances. The Rysanek quote was poignant and
appropriate, it seems to me. I don't really understand your vitriol in
this instance, but I'm relatively new to the group and may be missing the
obvious. In any case, I mean you no offense.
Dan Patterson
Eric D. Peterson
by the day. I think it is interesting that many people feel free to say things in
forums like this that a basic sense of humanity would prevent them from saying face to
face. Although it may be easier speak one's mind in this medium, do you suppose the
words sting any less on the other end because they are uttered from a safe distance?
What is the purpose of turning one singer's tribute to a recently deceased colleague
into a personal attack? How would James Jorden feel if Deborah Voight made an
appearance here and was treated with a similar lack of respect?
Lest any of you feel that I have singled out James Jorden, let me make it clear that
there are plenty of other people who post here who are equally offensive, and who in
fact offend more often. This is just the example that prompted me to write. Out of
fairness to James Jorden I probably should name names, but that would likely just make
this personal which is just what I do not want to do.
Eric Peterson
james jorden wrote:
> I may vomit.
>
> Are you sure you didn't hear Mme. Rysanek wrong? I think she said that if YOU had
> it to do over again, you shouldn't have been a singer.
>
> And *please*, dear, spare us talk about hype. You wrote the book.
>
> Studiva wrote:
>
> > Interestingly enough, I don't remember anyone posting August Everding's recent
> > death. Dearest Sabine, maybe there is a "singer's justice" after all and maybe
> > Leonie was wrong when she said if she had it all to do again, she wouldn't
> > become a singer. I'm still not sure on that, but I do know I've lost a great
> > colleague and we've lost a singer who could actually sing despite the lack of
> > hype. Imagine that! Your Empress is still ringing! Signed, your Falke, Cheryl
>
james jorden
The point is, Studiva is not Cheryl Studer. If she were, I would offer my
respect for the art she represents and my profoundest sympathy for her obvious
dementia and persecution mania. As it turns out, the person who wrote those
posts (though demented and manic) has no connection to opera at all, and, as
such, through his lying has earned nothing but my disgust.
b-n-dpatters wrote:
--
james jorden
would write such provocative tripe; furthermore, the writing style of these postings
matches almost identically that of one of Ms. Studer's big fans on this ng. Need I say
more.
Eric D. Peterson wrote:
pin...@my-dejanews.com
Studiva is indeed Cheryl Studer. This issue was brought up sometime
ago in this forum. To make it easy for you, why don't you contact
Marc Guilhamet of the CS Society at
http://www.total.net/~mrgdp
for confirmation?
James, you have showcased your true colors in your attempts at
humiliating Ms. Studer in a public forum. Whether you like it or not,
there are hierarchies of people. Do you honestly believe she warrants
such treatment?
Are you paying attention, Deborah Voigt?
Gabriel Bocanegra
------------------------------------
James Jorden wrote:
Eric D. Peterson wrote:
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HenryFogel
>From: pin...@my-dejanews.com
>Date: 2/D/YYYY 5:37 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <7b7b78$5ce$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
>
>Studiva wrote:
>
>> Interestingly enough, I don't remember anyone posting August Everding's
>recent
>> death. Dearest Sabine, maybe there is a "singer's justice" after all and
>maybe
>> Leonie was wrong when she said if she had it all to do again, she wouldn't
>> become a singer. I'm still not sure on that, but I do know I've lost a
>great
>> colleague and we've lost a singer who could actually sing despite the lack
>of
>> hype. Imagine that! Your Empress is still ringing! Signed, your Falke,
>Cheryl
>
>James Jorden replied:
>
>I may vomit.
>
>Are you sure you didn't hear Mme. Rysanek wrong? I think she said that if
>YOU
>had it to do over again, you shouldn't have been a singer.
>
>And *please*, dear, spare us talk about hype. You wrote the book
I think it is sad, James, that you feel the need to go "over the top" in
rudeness and obnoxiousness. You make so many fine contributions to this group,
that I really do become saddened when you do this. I think it is healthy and
good for all of us that Ms. Studer is a regular reader/contributor to this
group -- and that whatever any one of us may think of her singing, we all
benefit from having a member of the profession at that level contributing. I
can only hope she will not find this kind of needless rudness discouraging.
Henry Fogel
james jorden
this newsgroup, I would suggest that she is perfectly capable of defending her own
actions against a puny menace like me -- instead of sitting back while her lapdogs
run around nipping people on the ass. In other words, if she were going to
particpate in a newsgroup, she should expect to be treated like anyone else in the
group. If she made silly and self-indulgent statements, she should expect to be
challenged; if she went on the attack, she should expect to be flamed.
That's all *if* Cheryl Studer were writing to rec.music.opera. Which she's not, as
you know very well, Bocanegra.
pin...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> > > I may vomit.
> > >
> > > Are you sure you didn't hear Mme. Rysanek wrong? I think she said that if
> YOU had
> > > it to do over again, you shouldn't have been a singer.
> > >
> > > And *please*, dear, spare us talk about hype. You wrote the book.
> > >
> > > Studiva wrote:
> > >
> > > > Interestingly enough, I don't remember anyone posting August Everding's
> recent
> > > > death. Dearest Sabine, maybe there is a "singer's justice" after all and
> maybe
> > > > Leonie was wrong when she said if she had it all to do again, she wouldn't
> > > > become a singer. I'm still not sure on that, but I do know I've lost a
> great
> > > > colleague and we've lost a singer who could actually sing despite the lack
> of
> > > > hype. Imagine that! Your Empress is still ringing! Signed, your Falke,
> Cheryl
> > >
Studiva
>if* Cheryl Studer were writing to rec.music.opera. Which she's not,
Dear James,
I thought I might find you here.
I haven't found a posting for "hype", yet.
Actually, I would like to have it out with you a little on that topic. You have
some misconstrued ideas, apparently.
And on another subject: why is it so utterly impossible for you to believe it
could possibly be me posting?
( In case you haven't noticed, I'm not giving up on you, yet. I've been told by
several other posters that you're, at least in person, a nice guy! ) Regards,
Cheryl Lynn Studer, born Oct. 24, 1955 in Midland, Mich at 1:14pm, my real
father's name is Carl Wayne, and my grandmother's first name on my mother's
side was Abigail..............................................................
JAD
Benjamin Maso wrote:
> Studiva wrote in message <19990227183444...@ng38.aol.com>...
> You have convinced me: if you were an imposter, you wouldn't waste your
> talent here.
>
> Benjo Maso
Me too. After all, who would pretend to be a talented opera personage who
really isn't?
Signed,
Peter Sellars
skip
Signed
Beverly Sills Greenough
Matthew B. Tepper
pondering as follows...
>
>Benjamin Maso wrote:
>
>Me too. After all, who would pretend to be a talented opera personage
>who really isn't?
>
>Signed,
>Peter Sellars
Beats me!
Signed,
J. Eaglen
--
Matthew B. Tepper: WWW, science fiction, classical music, ducks!
My personal home page -- http://www.deltanet.com/~ducky/index.htm
My main music page --- http://www.deltanet.com/~ducky/berlioz.htm
And my science fiction club's home page --- http://www.lasfs.org/
To write to me, do for my address what Androcles did for the lion
james jorden
Why do I not think you are Cheryl Studer? Because any artist with a particle of
sense would not be mooching around a newsgroup looking for a fight. Because you
are so desperate to get people to believe you are Cheryl Studer that you are
spouting Studer trivia, which, by the way, any obsessed Studer fan would have long
ago memorized. Because it is inconceivable to me that any artist of the stature of
a Cheryl Studer would lower herself to spouting self-publicity on an internet
newsgroup (i.e., she would have the grace and tact to "leak" the information
through her fans instead of blowing her own horn). Because several opera
professionals who have worked with Ms. Studer have told me that "Cheryl just
wouldn't behave that way."
Care to hear more reasons?
Studiva wrote:
> And on another subject: why is it so utterly impossible for you to believe it
> could possibly be me posting?
> ( In case you haven't noticed, I'm not giving up on you, yet. I've been told by
> several other posters that you're, at least in person, a nice guy! ) Regards,
> Cheryl Lynn Studer, born Oct. 24, 1955 in Midland, Mich at 1:14pm, my real
> father's name is Carl Wayne, and my grandmother's first name on my mother's
> side was Abigail..............................................................
--
Benjamin Maso
Studiva wrote in message <19990227183444...@ng38.aol.com>...
>James wrote:
>>if* Cheryl Studer were writing to rec.music.opera. Which she's not,
>
>Dear James,
>I thought I might find you here.
>I haven't found a posting for "hype", yet.
>Actually, I would like to have it out with you a little on that topic. You
have
> some misconstrued ideas, apparently.
it
>could possibly be me posting?
>( In case you haven't noticed, I'm not giving up on you, yet. I've been
told by
>several other posters that you're, at least in person, a nice guy! )
Regards,
>Cheryl Lynn Studer, born Oct. 24, 1955 in Midland, Mich at 1:14pm, my real
>father's name is Carl Wayne, and my grandmother's first name on my mother's
>side was
Abigail..............................................................
Placido 21
do(recording the complete songs of everyone since the dawn of time on
686754543557867 CD's) than to bother with us peasants...CH
Charlie, baritono somewhat supremo,gradually becoming an internet legend in my
own mind. Soviero and Zeani rule together (with Resnik)
donpaolo
Love,
Angela's Hubby, Robbie A.
Divamanque (Evelyn Vogt Gamble)
JAD wrote:
"After all, who would pretend to be a talented opera personage who
really isn't?"
Lots of people, maybe - but why does anyone really CARE??? The lady SOUNDS
plausible, and opera singers are just as human as anyone else (maybe more so).
Although I never had the chance to find out at first hand, I imagine a
professional career can get pretty lonely at times. Why SHOULDN'T a genuine Diva
reach out for internet contact with kindred spirits, just like those of us less
successful? It beats staring at blank walls in a hotel room, and a career,
however successful, isn't all glamour - even if the 1930's and 40's movies that
prompted my ambition to be a singer may have created that impression.
Evelyn
Studiva
>Care to hear more reasons?
>
>
Yes. CS
james jorden
between 3 and 4 AM in Munich.
Does a busy professional singer with young children sit up all night
jerking people around in cyberspace?
Studiva wrote:
--
Marcia Dietrich
Why SHOULDN'T a genuine Diva
>reach out for internet contact with kindred spirits, just like those of
us less
>successful? It beats staring at blank walls in a hotel room, and a
career,
>however successful, isn't all glamour
This is true Evelyn... but hard for people not to be suspicious -
especially when the ID origin is from AOL where it is so easy to create
multiple false identities. Granted it is nearly impossible to get a
variation of your own name on AOL without a bunch of random numbers
tagged on the end... so Studiva sounds plausible for a singer named
Studer (but not out of the realm of possiblility that a fan has taken it
on.) And good golly if you're a woman don't put down bodybuilding as a
hobby in your personal profile. Everytime you sign on you'll have guys,
or at least they claim to be guys - supposedly 25 years old and students
in California, instant messaging you asking to see pictures and wondering
if you want to fulfill their fantasies about being dominated or maybe do
some light wrestling. More adventures online.
If Studiva is indeed Ms. Studer, then I hope she'd be welcomed and
respected, as all participants should be. But in this case people will
demand concrete proof - she will have to make public declarations thru
official sources to be believed, and not just a fan society but in
personal interviews and announcements thru the media. Or a report from
someone the group would believe. One of the young guys from Home
Improvement (Johnathon Taylor Thomas) had people on the internet
pretending to be him... eventually he had to start his own website and
discussion area/chat area. He announced it thru all the teenie bop mags
that his site would be the only place he would be chatting/writing on the
internet. I tend to take people at their word, I hope that Studiva is
Ms. Studer and I hope those guys IM'ing me on AOL are 25 year old beach
boys. :-)
Marcia
HenryFogel
>From: james jorden <jjo...@ix.netcom.com>
>Date: 2/D/YYYY 7:33 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <36D9EE5C...@ix.netcom.com>
>
>All right then. You just posted at 5:38 Eastern US time; that is,
>between 3 and 4 AM in Munich.
>
>Does a busy professional singer with young children sit up all night
>jerking people around in cyberspace?
>
James -- I certainly hope that you know opera better than you know
international time zones. 5:38PM Eastern time zone US is nowhere near 3:38AM in
Munich -- the difference is not ten hours. I'll admit that I can't remember if
it is 7 or 8 hours difference -- but it is definitely one of those (I think 8),
which makes it 12:38 or 1:38AM in Munich -- a not unreasonable time for anyone
to be up. If you're going to try to make points like this with your rapier-
like wit, you really need to be better at the facts.
Henry Fogel
Michael Black
> James -- I certainly hope that you know opera better than you know
> international time zones. 5:38PM Eastern time zone US is nowhere near 3:38AM in
> Munich -- the difference is not ten hours. I'll admit that I can't remember if
> it is 7 or 8 hours difference -- but it is definitely one of those (I think 8),
> which makes it 12:38 or 1:38AM in Munich -- a not unreasonable time for anyone
> to be up. If you're going to try to make points like this with your rapier-
> like wit, you really need to be better at the facts.
The time difference is actually 6 hours ahead of EST, or 7 in your case Henry since
your CST. So that would mean that the post in question was posted 11:58 PM Munich
time.
--
Michael Black
http://www.michaelblack.com/
"Oh, and in case I don't see you...good
afternoon, good evening, and good night!"
- The Truman Show
Michael Black
> The time difference is actually 6 hours ahead of EST, or 7 in your case [...]
Oy, I am deeply embarrassed by my bad grammar with that statement above. I can't
believe I misused "your." I apologize because that is one of my pet peeves and it's
more infuriating when I do it for me.
Michael Black
> Michael Black wrote:
>
> > The time difference is actually 6 hours ahead of EST, or 7 in your case [...]
Grrrr...I quoted the wrong part of my statement. I should have quoted:
"...since your CST."
Yes, I know, I'm anal. ;)
james jorden
odd for a lady with a family to be up and posting at 1 or 2 am.
My other reasons for doubting her identity (e.g., her fanatical
insistence on establishing her credentials through the quoting of
trivia) stand.
HenryFogel wrote:
>
> >Subject: Re: Civility (or lack thereof) on rmo
> >From: james jorden <jjo...@ix.netcom.com>
> >Date: 2/D/YYYY 7:33 PM Central Standard Time
> >Message-id: <36D9EE5C...@ix.netcom.com>
> >
> >All right then. You just posted at 5:38 Eastern US time; that is,
> >between 3 and 4 AM in Munich.
> >
> >Does a busy professional singer with young children sit up all night
> >jerking people around in cyberspace?
> >
>
> James -- I certainly hope that you know opera better than you know
> international time zones. 5:38PM Eastern time zone US is nowhere near 3:38AM in
> Munich -- the difference is not ten hours. I'll admit that I can't remember if
> it is 7 or 8 hours difference -- but it is definitely one of those (I think 8),
> which makes it 12:38 or 1:38AM in Munich -- a not unreasonable time for anyone
> to be up. If you're going to try to make points like this with your rapier-
> like wit, you really need to be better at the facts.
>
> Henry Fogel
wk...@juno.com
jjo...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> I checked, and, yes, the difference is 6 hours. I still believe it is
> odd for a lady with a family to be up and posting at 1 or 2 am.
Studiva's identity aside, I disagree. I know plenty of people with children
who are up at that hour - in fact, it's sometimes the only time of the day
when one can count on an hour or two without interruption.
And I would expect that I performing artist would likely be on a very
different schedule from working stiffs like me. I have to be at my best from
about 7:30 AM to about 6:00 PM - if I were consistently performing my job in
the evning, I'd obviously have to sleep later and thus go to bed later.
Bill
William D. Kasimer
wk...@juno.com
Verdiva
rehearsals start MUCH later than in the US. One could easily stay up, working
on the computer to 1 or 2 am and STILL have plenty of sleep before the next
rehearsal at 1pm the next day.
I do believe that the poster is Cheryl Studer. And she has just as much right
to post her opinions here as anyone else.
It is my understanding that several of the singers we write about here lurk by
from time to time to see what we're saying about them. Supposedly, they also
lurk at Opera News' Standing Room. I have heard this from people who have
direct contact with these singers.
HenryFogel
>Message-id: <36DA23...@ix.netcom.com>
>
>I checked, and, yes, the difference is 6 hours. I still believe it is
>odd for a lady with a family to be up and posting at 1 or 2 am.
>
>insistence on establishing her credentials through the quoting of
>trivia) stand.
You, and others, are right -- I calculated backward from what I knew to be a
Chicago difference of 7 hours -- it is 6 from NY, which means that her post was
made prior to midnight. Hardly that unrealistic.
However, I do hope to solve this identification question for us all -- I have
communicated with Ms. Studer's management who promise to inquire directly of
her. With luck, in a day or two we'll know.
Henry Fogel
Divamanque (Evelyn Vogt Gamble)
Eastern U. S. I don't know about the rest of you, but eleven-thirty P. M. -
especially if I've spent the evening doing something like singing a concert - is a
perfectly "normal" time to start posting (and expecially If I'm too "keyed up" to
sleep!) Since I discovered the internet, I seldom get to bed before midnight,
Pacific time!
HenryFogel wrote:
> >Subject: Re: Civility (or lack thereof) on rmo
> >From: james jorden <jjo...@ix.netcom.com>
C. Grose
Verdiva schrieb in Nachricht
<19990301143806...@ng-fu1.aol.com>...
>It's not unusual for singers to stay up late, especially since in Europe
daily
>rehearsals start MUCH later than in the US. One could easily stay up,
working
>on the computer to 1 or 2 am and STILL have plenty of sleep before the next
>rehearsal at 1pm the next day.
>
10:00 a.m. to between 1:00 and 2:00 p.m., and then again at 6:00 p.m. till
around 9 or 10 at night. I've never had the luxury of a rehearsal in a
german/Swiss/Austrian opera house beginning as late as 1:00 in the
afternoon!
Greetings from
Cynthia (who stays up until 1 or 2 in the morning anyway)
