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Stregata

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12.12.2001, 22:01:1512.12.01
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Who is he for you? There's an ongoing thread about a certain Spanish tenor
being labeled as the King of Opera. Without any animus to start a flame or
resurrect old battaglias, I would be curious to know who, from the bottom of
your heart, would you consider as your very special King of Opera and why. Is
it his voice, his delivery, any special idiosyncracy? What makes him so very
special?

Only one King, please.


Stregata


REG

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12.12.2001, 22:35:4812.12.01
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Simply for me, it's got to be Bjorling. Are there pretenders? Yes, Bergonzi
and Corelli, Vickers, de Lucia and Wunderlich, but Bjorling had everything
in every role he surveyed for me.

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Opaffic

ungelesen,
12.12.2001, 23:08:0812.12.01
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Boy....one.
Ok, Caruso.
Opaffic

Andre Edouard

ungelesen,
12.12.2001, 23:23:3612.12.01
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Pippo.
Early or late, bad or good.
There was a quality to his voice which [for me] epitomized "italian
tenor," warts and all.
Nothing technical, the voice "grabbed" me.
AndreEdouard....
None but I shall do him die, who sends Kurt Baum as his reply.

Mark D Lew

ungelesen,
12.12.2001, 23:23:4812.12.01
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In article <20011212220115...@mb-ce.aol.com>, stre...@aol.com
(Stregata) wrote:

You didn't specify that he must be a singer. For me, the King of Opera is
Giuseppe Verdi.

mdl

Opaffic

ungelesen,
12.12.2001, 23:32:0112.12.01
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>For me, the King of Opera is
>Giuseppe Verdi.
>
>mdl

Ahhhhhh!!!
Wonderful choice for coronation.
Would also be mine in the KOO composers catagory.

David Melnick

ungelesen,
12.12.2001, 23:39:3412.12.01
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REG wrote:

Ace of Hearts: Puccini
Ace of Diamonds: Mozart
Ace of Clubs: Wagner
Ace of Spades: Verdi

King of Hearts: Toscanini
King of Diamonds: Walter
King of Clubs: Furtwaengler
Kind of Spades: Klemperer

Queen of Hearts: Tebaldi
Queen of Diamonds: Lotte Lehmann
Queen of Clubs: Nilsson
Queen of Spades: Callas

Jack of Hearts: DiStefano or Jussi
Jack of Diamonds: Jussi or DiStefano
Jack of Clubs: Gobbi
Jack of Spades: Chaliapin

Among the eternity-challenged:

Hearts: Carreras
Diamonds: Villazon
Clubs: Robert Dean Smith (just you wait)
Spades: position available


Premiereopera

ungelesen,
12.12.2001, 23:57:3112.12.01
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For me it can only be Richard Tucker. He set standards for me in so many
roles.

In his Angel publicity, Corelli was called the "Prince of Tenors." I wonder who
they thought the king was?"

King of all singers must be Caruso. But of the singers I heard live, it will
always be Tucker.

Ed
http://www.premiereopera.com for the best in Kings and Queens of opera on CD &
Video

Mark D Lew

ungelesen,
13.12.2001, 02:17:4213.12.01
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In article <20011212233201...@mb-df.aol.com>, opa...@aol.com
(Opaffic) wrote:

> Ahhhhhh!!!
> Wonderful choice for coronation.
> Would also be mine in the KOO composers catagory.

Over all categories, I say.

Truth to be told, I probably enjoy Puccini more. But that doesn't change
the fact that Verdi is the King.

mdl

David Melnick

ungelesen,
13.12.2001, 02:26:0413.12.01
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Games, games, and second chances (I'm starting to bore
even myself):

Honorary aces: many.

> Jack of Hearts:

Yes, I'm for Caruso, too, every time I hear him (then for
Jussi and Pippo again when I hear _them_).

> Among the eternity-challenged:

Oops. I put some so-called eternity-challenged among the queens and jacks.

I should have said "Among those still singing," and avoided the
stupid wiseacre bit.

(Actually, I shouldn't have gotten into this at all.
It's a game with myself that my scattered brain always loses.)

David

Leonard Tillman

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13.12.2001, 06:35:3113.12.01
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>Only one King, please.

>Stregata
---------------------------------
David Melnick wrote:

>Ace of Hearts: Puccini

>Ace of Diamonds: Mozart

>Ace of Clubs: Wagner

>Ace of Spades: Verdi

>King of Hearts: Toscanini

>King of Diamonds: Walter

>King of Clubs: Furtwaengler

>Kind of Spades: Klemperer

>Queen of Hearts: Tebaldi

>Queen of Diamonds: Lotte Lehmann

>Queen of Clubs: Nilsson

>Queen of Spades: Callas

>Jack of Hearts: DiStefano or Jussi

>Jack of Diamonds: Jussi or DiStefano

>Jack of Clubs: Gobbi

>Jack of Spades: Chaliapin

>Among the eternity-challenged:

>Hearts: Carreras

>Diamonds: Villazon

>Clubs: Robert Dean Smith (just you wait)

>Spades: position available


:-)))) --- I love this!!


LT

Leonard Tillman

ungelesen,
13.12.2001, 06:30:4013.12.01
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Robert Merrill.

LT

dtritter

ungelesen,
13.12.2001, 06:53:5413.12.01
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the united states consttitution forbids titles of nobility.
therefore, i shall resist any nominations and not recognize such a
sovereign, even if duly elected by a verifiable vote.

top ten lists , anyone?

i believe that the pope has, on occasion, held secret his nominees for
the college of cardinals "in petto."

i prefer the more egalitarian individual judgment. good, bad, pass,
fail, judgment suspended pending further hearings.

dft

Tuchas

ungelesen,
13.12.2001, 07:49:2713.12.01
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premie...@aol.com (Premiereopera) wrote in message news:<20011212235731...@mb-fr.aol.com>...

> For me it can only be Richard Tucker. He set standards for me in so many
> roles.

Why so many people here like singer with ugly voice can't act. Always
sound same. Go listen to Andrea with beautiful voice then tell Tuchas
Tucker most great singer. Uncle Krepkin with bad wig better than
Tucker. Look better too.

Tuchas Flatus

Tuchas

ungelesen,
13.12.2001, 07:45:3013.12.01
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stre...@aol.com (Stregata) wrote in message news:<20011212220115...@mb-ce.aol.com>...

Is easy. Tenor with big voice big high notes. Exciting singer make
Tuchas shiver. Kurt Baum is king. Always be king. Some people not like
say he ugly voice. They not know anything of opera. Open ears and
listen then you hear how he great great singer. CORRIAM VOLIAM

Tuchas Flatus

Drakejake

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13.12.2001, 10:06:1213.12.01
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Here we go again.

The King of Opera is definitely Placido Domingo, because of his
leading role in the world of opera performance and opera media for
over 25 years. He has outworked and outachieved all of his
contemporaries. His ambition, musicianship, and talent have allowed
him to make full use of new technologies which transformed
entertainment in the latter half of the 20th Century.

But Franco Corelli is the God of Opera, because of his matchless
vocal, physical, and theatrical personification of operatic heroes. I
consider it a miracle that a man of his background and temperament
could have become the operatic superstar he was. He utilized the face
and physique of a Hollywood leading man, a voice of great beauty,
power, and range, and an heroic but natural stage presence to become a
charismatic and stunning operatic performer.

Drakejake

Christopher Purdy

ungelesen,
13.12.2001, 11:31:0113.12.01
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Claudio Monteverdi is the King of opera.

CP


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Opaffic

ungelesen,
13.12.2001, 08:49:3013.12.01
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Over all categories, I say.
Truth to be told, I probably enjoy Puccini more. But that doesn't change
>the fact that Verdi is the King.
>mdl

Gotcha Mark! Probably wise to have a composer as ruler....wonder if anyone will
annoint a conductor???

Opaffic

ungelesen,
13.12.2001, 08:52:3613.12.01
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>(Actually, I shouldn't have gotten into this at all.
>It's a game with myself that my scattered brain always loses.)
David

Oh, but I thoroughly enjoyed reading your answer.....um, answers. Loved 'em.

Leonard Tillman

ungelesen,
13.12.2001, 09:36:0813.12.01
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>Probably wise to have a composer as
> ruler....wonder if anyone will
>annoint a conductor???

There are many who might annoint themselves....

LT

Ancona21

ungelesen,
13.12.2001, 13:57:2913.12.01
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<< Ace of Hearts: Puccini

> [Eight] of Diamonds: Mozart

> [Eight] of Clubs: Wagner

> Ace of Spades: Verdi >>

Dead man's hand.

Ancona

Premiereopera

ungelesen,
13.12.2001, 16:15:0413.12.01
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There is a video documentary called, "Domingo, King of Opera."

You be the judge!

Ed
http://www.premiereopera.com for the best in CDs & Video of live opera

Don Paolo

ungelesen,
13.12.2001, 18:45:4113.12.01
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I think THE King will always remain Caruso. This is so, because of his
historic place in effecting drama, interpretation & passion in what he sang,
as opposed to the technical perfection that appeared to be of foremost
concern before his appearance on the scene. His influence is felt every
time a tenor opens his mouth to interpret an aria.

However, we have been most fortunate to have experienced a host of
subsequent Crown Princes in this Royal Family of Tenors: Bergonzi, Corelli,
DelMonaco, DiStefano, Tucker, Gedda, Young Pav, Vickers, Thill, Pertile,
Bjoerling.

Among the Dukes of Singing, I'd include Lanza, Labo, Shicoff, Merli, Masini,
Fleta, Carreras.

Just a few names of great ones that move me, raise goose bumps when I listen
to them.

DonPaolo


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Mark D Lew

ungelesen,
13.12.2001, 18:46:1513.12.01
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> the united states consttitution forbids titles of nobility.
> therefore, i shall resist any nominations and not recognize such a
> sovereign, even if duly elected by a verifiable vote.

You mean to tell us that Elvis was unconstitutional??

mdl

Mark D Lew

ungelesen,
13.12.2001, 18:46:3313.12.01
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In article <20011213084930...@mb-mf.aol.com>, opa...@aol.com
(Opaffic) wrote:

> Gotcha Mark! Probably wise to have a composer as ruler....wonder if
anyone will
> annoint a conductor???

Or apoint one, perhaps?

mdl the annoying

Opaffic

ungelesen,
13.12.2001, 19:12:3113.12.01
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>Or apoint one, perhaps?
>
>mdl the annoying

LOL.....oops!
ANOINT.....a n o i n t.....ANOINT
Thanks!
Opaffic

Andre Edouard

ungelesen,
13.12.2001, 20:56:1413.12.01
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Wha' d'jou said? Fo' a guy who loves lisps, you got a lot to say.
AND loud...Sheesh......
DMFGAE

dtritter

ungelesen,
13.12.2001, 22:13:5513.12.01
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no, unbearable.

dft

Matthew B. Tepper

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13.12.2001, 22:05:3213.12.01
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mark...@earthlink.net (Mark D Lew) wrote in news:markdlew-
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In opera, the kings are selected by the fans. In pop music, the kings are
appointed by the PR people. ;--)

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Oisk17

ungelesen,
14.12.2001, 00:55:3914.12.01
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>From: "REG"

>Simply for me, it's got to be Bjorling

Me too.

Paul

Mark D Lew

ungelesen,
14.12.2001, 01:19:1514.12.01
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In article <9vbec2$j4l$1...@bob.news.rcn.net>, "Don Paolo"
<donp...@erols.com> wrote:

> I think THE King will always remain Caruso. [...]


>
> However, we have been most fortunate to have experienced a host of
> subsequent Crown Princes in this Royal Family of Tenors: Bergonzi, Corelli,
> DelMonaco, DiStefano, Tucker, Gedda, Young Pav, Vickers, Thill, Pertile,
> Bjoerling.
>
> Among the Dukes of Singing, I'd include Lanza, Labo, Shicoff, Merli, Masini,
> Fleta, Carreras.

In your populous opera court, is there no room for any soprano, mezzo,
baritone or bass?

mdl

Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque)

ungelesen,
14.12.2001, 01:28:1214.12.01
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Stregata wrote:
>
> Who is he for you? There's an ongoing thread about a certain Spanish tenor
> being labeled as the King of Opera. Without any animus to start a flame or
> resurrect old battaglias, I would be curious to know who, from the bottom of
> your heart, would you consider as your very special King of Opera and why. Is
> it his voice, his delivery, any special idiosyncracy? What makes him so very
> special?
>
> Only one King, please.

In my case, need you even ask? José Van Dam, with no rivals
- truly beautiful voice, nearly flawless vocal production, a
superb actor on stage (yet can "act" with his voice, as well
- a genius for interpreting song literature). My only
reason for going to Europe is to hear him, since he so
seldom sings opera in the U.S. anymore - and not enough
concerts or recitals on the West Coast. (Yeah, I'm a
"groupie" - so what?)

He seems to be a genuinely nice human being, as well - he
certainly is gracious to his fans, when he encounters them.
Last year I was waiting with a group for the Met's backstage
tour, didn't even notice who was coming down the hall from
the dressing room area, until he came over and greeted me!
(You don't think THAT made my day?)

Don Paolo

ungelesen,
14.12.2001, 11:31:5014.12.01
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Sure are; but I thought this was limited to tenors.

DonP.
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Karen Mercedes

ungelesen,
14.12.2001, 12:18:2014.12.01
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Funny - as much as I love tenors, I tend to think baritones and basses are
much more regal as a rule. My "King of Opera" would have to be Jose van
Dam, in fact.

Karen Mercedes
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GRNDPADAVE

ungelesen,
14.12.2001, 12:50:4114.12.01
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From my perspective any leading opera singer would be distinguished by the
quality and quantity of the singer's recorded legacy.

Enrico Caruso's legacy is made up simply of recorded excerpts from operas.

My nominee would be someone whose recorded repertory includes complete operas
sung in Italian, French, German, Russian, Spanish, and English.

There are not many singers who have provided such an extensive legacy.

No singer whose repertory is limited, however gifted, would claim first place
in my scheme of things.

==G/P Dave

Marty Robinson

ungelesen,
14.12.2001, 13:19:0314.12.01
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Nicolai Gedda comes closer to meeting your requirements than anyone else
I can think of.

Grandpa Marty

Tom Kaufman

ungelesen,
14.12.2001, 13:50:1514.12.01
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I go for quality rather than quantity--and I give far more points for
recordings of operas by Verdi, Donizetti, Bellini and Rossini than by any
non-Italian composer, other than Meyerbeer and Halevy.

On that basis, Pavarotti is a clear winner.

Three cheers for the Pav

Tom
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ungelesen,
14.12.2001, 14:11:0414.12.01
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In article <markdlew-ya0240800...@news.earthlink.net>, Mark D Lew
says...

>
>You didn't specify that he must be a singer. For me, the King of Opera is
>Giuseppe Verdi.
>

Interesting. For me, it would be Rossini. Not to say that he is my favorite
(although perhaps he is), just that he is the king. Or the king of Italian
opera anyway.

I love Verdi, of course. And many more of his operas mesh better with modern
tastes and practices both in the purely muscial and dramatic sense as well as
with respect to the singers' ability to perform the vocal writing with a modern
technique. That said, I think that most of 19th century Italian opera up to,
say, Aida was a working out of the things that Rossini began in the early part
of the century. Only starting with Aida do we start getting operas that don't
seem to have any Rossinian influence. Verdi also benefitted by writing at the
end of this interesting period of musicodramatic transition rather than at the
beginning as did Rossini. It stands to reason that the works become more
advanced towards the end of the period.

Just my $0.02.

Sam Kinsey