So, What About GINO BECHI...
donpaolo
"snarl" so characteristic of great Italian baritones, I think. If not, any
other nominations?
Are we allowed to discuss baritoines here?
DonP.
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Tom Kaufman
My two top favorite baritones are Ruffo and Bechi. There are many others I like
(Guelfi, Galeffi, Stracciari, Warren, etc. etc.)--but these two are tops.
In fact, I refer to certain recordings of Andrea Chenier, Aida and Ballo as the
bechi .....--in spite of the great tenor in them.
Tom
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Ron Dargenio
put it, Paolo, in snarl, growl, and bark. But Bechi to my ears does not
possess the level of quality of tone as did Ruffo.
Baritones per sempre!
RD
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prefer his Renato, Gerard and Alfio to others. Unfortunately he blew his
voice out at a relatively early age and by the time he did the Figaro in
1950 the voice had degenerated into an unvarying yell. He did sing until the
early 60s - handsome man and a striking stage presence. Richard
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>Was he the successor to Ruffo? Voices quite
> similar in that "growl" "bark" "snarl" so
> characteristic of great Italian baritones, I
> think. If not, any other nominations?
I think Bechi was the most immediate successor to both Ruffo *and*
Stracciari, though a little closer to the former.
Later successors were Merrill and Bastianini, both possessing the
requisite Leonine Roar, and snarls galore when called for - particularly
in roles like Don Carlo di Vargas, Renato, Escamillo (not as done in the
Opera Comique tradition), and Gerard. All of the aforemention are/were
of superhuman quality, IMO.
Not in the category of mere, mortal baritonry.
>Are we allowed to discuss baritoines here?
No, but who's gonna stop us??
>DonP.
Leonard Tillman
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>Date: 4/25/04 11:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time
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Well, we do still discuss Domingo! :-)
Ed
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super-baritone-legend!
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>Date: 4/25/04 11:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time
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>In his short prime he was a great baritone - as matter of fact I still
>prefer his Renato, Gerard and Alfio to others. Unfortunately he blew his
>voice out at a relatively early age and by the time he did the Figaro in
>1950 the voice had degenerated into an unvarying yell. He did sing until the
>early 60s - handsome man and a striking stage presenc
True, and yet he was able to deliver a fine Germont in the 1968 movie with
Moffo and Bonisolli!!! And with a ringing high Ab after the Di provenza.
Ed
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>Oops!!! Nearly forgot Gian-Giacomo Guelfi, a definite
>super-baritone-legend!
>
>Leonard Tillman
YES!!!! Gigantic voice, great singer, especially in verismo- Chenier, Tosca,
Fanciulla, etc.
Ed
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>Subject: Re: So, What About GINO BECHI...
>From: "Richard Loeb" loe...@comcast.net
Date: 4/25/04 11:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time
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>In his short prime he was a great baritone - as
> matter of fact I still prefer his Renato, Gerard
> and Alfio to others. Unfortunately he blew his
> voice out at a relatively early age and by the
> time he did the Figaro in 1950 the voice had
>degenerated into an unvarying yell. He did
> sing until the early 60s - handsome man and
> a striking stage presence
>True, and yet he was able to deliver a fine
> Germont in the 1968 movie with Moffo and
> Bonisolli!!! And with a ringing high Ab after
> the Di provenza.
Great film, one that was televised not long after its release, - then
unheard of for many years until reissued on video. A must.
>Ed
donpaolo
Ba-Boom!
DonP.
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John Harnedy
I usuallly find more of a visceral thrill in a baritone/bass with a
thrilling, secure upper register than I do with tenors, as passionate as I
am about the latter.
As far as Gino Bechi goes, I don't think he comes anywhere near Ruffo in
terms of pure singing, vocal quality (who could?) or the 'thrill factor'.
Although he is not my favourite baritone, Ruffo was, as Serafin (?) said, a
miracle. I raed somewhere that as a young man, Walter Legge heard Ruffo at
the Albert Hall and was so overwhelmed that he spent the rest of his life
vainly searching for a succesor.
For me, the absolute king of Italian baritones will always be Amato. Aside
from the fact taht I find the basic sound of his voice so thrilling,
something that is, as we all now, an utterly personal thing, I think that of
all the singers (and certainly the baritones) of teh acoustic era, he is the
one who most succesfully marries pure singing with dramatic portrayal. I'm
sure everyone here will be more than familiar with his recordings, but if
anyone needs convincing, listen to his 'Cortigiani' scene - the shivesr run
down my spine just thinking about it.
John Harnedy
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>I hope we discuss baritones (and basses) for many moons to come! Personally
>I usuallly find more of a visceral thrill in a baritone/bass with a
>thrilling, secure upper register than I do with tenors, as passionate as I
>am about the latter.
I agree, and I hope you experienced Cornell MacNeil live in his wonderful
prime. I have never heard a singer give more visceral thrill than MacNeil is so
many moments.
The Pag Prologue, almost anything from Ernani, Rigoletto, Gioconda, and so much
more. This truly was a great Verdi for all seasons.
The loudest top I have ever heard from any male singer, along with Tucker.
Ed
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recorded, were the Forza duets as sung by Corelli & Gian-Giacomo Guelfi.
Originally issued by Cetra? Available on CD?
Pepin le Juif
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> The most exciting tenor/baritone duets I've ever heard, live or
>recorded, were the Forza duets as sung by Corelli & Gian-Giacomo Guelfi.
> Originally issued by Cetra? Available on CD?
>Pepin le Juif
Yes, and yes. Myto has a great sounding CD of the Forza and Carmen scenes
recorded in the mid 50's by Corelli and Guelfi. Thrilling!!
Ed
Commspkmn
<< Yes, and yes. Myto has a great sounding CD of the Forza and Carmen scenes
recorded in the mid 50's by Corelli and Guelfi. Thrilling!! >>
You're not kidding, Ed! Talk about two heavyweights going at it.
Best,
Ken
Leonard Tillman
to outmatch all the others. Another is Benvenuto Franci (father Carlo),
whose sound is strangely similar in its upper-range to Franco Corelli's,
but not quite the power.
I've a Carmen set purchased chiefly to hear Franci's Escamillo.
Premiereopera
>Date: 4/25/04 6:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time
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Like Louis & Schmeling??? (spelling?)
Ed
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donpaolo
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it to bother one's ears, then some mighty fine singing.
DonP.
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were a bit too genteel for me when discussing a knock down drag out artform
like opera.
RD
PS Chief J Strongbow vs. Lou Albano?
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>I appreciate the boxing and WWF analogies. All those baseball comparisons
>were a bit too genteel for me when discussing a knock down drag out artform
>like opera.
>RD
Especially here on RMO!!!
Ed
donpaolo
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>Bruno Sammartino vs. VonChock (sp., sp.)
That presents a cherce of possibilities:
Karl Von Sydow(sp?)
Ludwig Von Krupp
Fritz Von Erich - and Brothers
Karl Von Hess
Meanies, all.
I remember a couple of especially dynamic ones of the Great Sammartino's
matches:
Vs. Shohei Baba the Giant
And Vs. Ken Patera, Olympic Super-Heavy Weighlifting star. Each was
*close*!
Also, Vladek "Killer" Kowalski taking on ALL of the Von Erich Bros.
at once. - And winning!
>DP
LT
"Those were the days, my friend, we thought they'd neeeeever end, those
were the days, - ah, yes, - those were the daaaays!"
donpaolo
"The Sobber" Tucker, partnered by Carlo, "The Crooner" Bergonzi. In the far
corner: Jan, "The Nasal" Peerce, partnered by Mario, "The Yeller" DelMonaco.
Or, a one-on-one: Appearing for a record-breaking 10,895th match, still
trying to win one at age 68, Plido, "The Cracker" Domino vs. Franco, "The
Criminal" Corelli.
DonP.
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>I have a CD of Franci's arias. One needs to
> accept that vibrato & not allow it to bother
> one's ears, then some mighty fine singing.
No bother for me, as I actually prefer the vibrato; the sort shared by
the young Corelli, Tancredi Pasero, (to some extent) Pasquale Amato, and
Conchita Supervia - who really *was* Super!!!
Franci's sound was incisive, dynamic, with an added degree of "Squillo"
that most spinto and dramatic tenors would kill for.
>DonP.
LT
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"Among the prewar super-baritones, Ruffo,
Stracciari, and Granforte seem to outmatch
all the others. Another is Benvenuto Franci
(father of Carlo), whose sound is strangely similar in its upper-range
to Franco Corelli's, but with not quite the power.
Leonard Tillman
>Antonio Galento vs. Gino Penno
>DP
Wait! Aren't we mixing fachs, here?
In that case, how about Nicolai Ghiaurov vs. Nikolai Volkov (who has a
decent basso voice, btw)?
LT
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>Love It - Can you just imagine a tag team
> match: In the near corner: Dick, "The Sobber"
> Tucker, partnered by Carlo, "The Crooner"
> Bergonzi. In the far corner: Jan, "The Nasal"
> Peerce, partnered by Mario, "The Yeller"
> DelMonaco. Or, a one-on-one: Appearing for
> a record-breaking 10,895th match, still trying
> to win one at age 68, Plido, "The Cracker"
> Domino vs. Franco, "The Criminal" Corelli.
>DonP.
Can't top (or crack!) that!, but:
Benny "The Chuckler" Gigli vs. Johnny "The Dry" Martinelli; Sammy
"Wobbles" Ramey vs. Jerry "The Deep" Hines; Jimmy "The Trumpet"
Lauri-Volpi vs. Joey "Il Re" Volpi.
LT
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Date: 4/26/04 10:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <lP6dnSDWGIU...@comcast.com> I appreciate the boxing
and WWF analogies. All those baseball comparisons were a bit too genteel
for me when discussing a knock down drag out artform like opera.
RD
Especially here on RMO!!!
Ed
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Ron Dargenio
I am speaking of Apollo Granforte.
Would have been quite a name for a wrestler or boxer!!!!
RD
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Scotti was his ideal. Funny how family members hear differently - my dad &
one of his other brothers adored Ruffo & Bechi, but also thought highly of
DiLuca, whom I just never "got".
Great Sunday dinner ah, er, "discussions" about their favs. Reminds me of
what was described to be by the D'Argenio brothers & their family dinner
discussions about Corelli & DelMonaco - wish I wuz there, Ron.
DonPaolo
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Carlo in Ernani - no one could approach him, not even since his retirement.
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donpaolo
we've been naming, including Stracciari & Granforte & Lisitsian; but NO
zarzuela types. Hell with tenors, for a while.
DOnP.
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"Ape" Granforte vs. Vlad Popov.
DonP.
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>
> Great Sunday dinner ah, er, "discussions" about their favs. Reminds me of
> what was described to be by the D'Argenio brothers & their family dinner
> discussions about Corelli & DelMonaco - wish I wuz there, Ron.
I dunno Paolo. I probably would have had to straighten you out, along with
the other Corelli-ites (David and the infamous "Uncle Al"), that Mario is
far preferable as Johnson, Pollione, Alvaro, and Chenier. I gave Corelli his
due in the light roles, like Calaf, Radames and Manrico.
On the other hand, you would have had to have taken one of my turns washing
the dishes. And hey, we're talking baritones, right?
RD
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donpaolo
it.
Seriously, as far as Mario & Franco, I would have to assume a fence-sitting
position as far as those 2 titans are concerned & judge on a shared
role-by-role basis. Were we ever fortunate in having these
standard-setters.........think we'll ever see their likes again?
DonP.
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voce!!!!!!!!!
D.P.
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>I gotta get away from tenors for a while & get
> the CDs out of these guys we've been
> naming, including Stracciari & Granforte &
> Lisitsian;
Ah, Lisitsian!!! Possibly Russia's finest Baritono?? Certainly one of
the greatest ever Valentins, ever if in Russian!
>but NO zarzuela types. Hell with
> tenors, for a while.
Well, did Manuel Ausensi record any zarzuela?
Terrific, underrated baritone, and the star of London's '60 set. I
have, somewhere, his opera aria-recital of only several.
>DOnP.
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I have a CD of Franci's arias. One needs to accept that vibrato & not
allow it to bother one's ears, then some mighty fine singing.
---------
Paul Schneider
>Ah, Lisitsian!!! . . . Certainly one of
>the greatest ever Valentins
Prove it.
Paul Schneider
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Is kindly silence when they brawl" -- Tennyson
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>Dat's what I meant - Von Hess! A REAL
> baddie...and, no top, neither!
>DP
Not even at the Garden, ca '61 when The Great Antonino had him airborne
in the Argentine backbreaker??
He made a distinct sound somewhere between "Heil" and "yikes!!!" - but
no real Squillo! Certainly nothing "Italianate".
LT,
who was about eight feet away from the action.
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Bruno Sammartino vs. VonChock (sp., sp.)
------------
That presents a cherce of possibilities:
Karl Von Sydow(sp?)
(Von Seiber, I've since learned.)
Ron Dargenio
tacks on David's chair when he came back from the bathroom.
As far as Mario and Franco, it's like I tell my aunt, who does not like
either one..."Whaddaya, DEAF?"
RD
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tacks on David's chair when he came back from the bathroom.
As far as Mario and Franco, it's like I tell my aunt, who does not like
either one..."Whaddaya, DEAF?"
RD
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kid brother! A good kid & nunja you get me involved in your bickering -
you're OK, too!!!
DonP.
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AT
i had the absolute fortune of singing with him.
an extremely thrilling experience.
best
at
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American baritone", - but was very disapproving of the vocal production
of both Warren and Milnes. This was in an Opera Fanatic discussion on
WKCR -fm.
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things to him!!!!!!!!
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Ruffo. Thus if you have the volume at 8, it is effectively 12.
RD
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<< Certain singers must be adjusted upward by a factor of 1.5, e.g. Titta
Ruffo. Thus if you have the volume at 8, it is effectively 12.
RD >>
Even Spinal Tap only goes up to 11!
Best,
Ken
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you post.
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marinar". *I*, ME, MOI, had to reduce volume while playing it in the car!
Can you just imagime TR & DelM singing a duet?!?!?!?! Boggles the
imagination....of course, we would not "dare" applaud & yell bravi, at the
end; just quietly sit on our hands....
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those antiquated recordings. Speaking of duets, the Si pel ciel with he and
Caruso was damned close to perfection...those two voices, huge as they were,
sang together like one. DIO!!!!!!news:408fd5e9$0$28915$61fe...@news.rcn.com...
Leonard Tillman
>What a giant he (Ruffo) must have been. It is
> my fav bari voice, even with those antiquated
> recordings. Speaking of duets, the Si pel ciel
> with he and Caruso was damned close to
> perfection...those two voices, huge as they
> were, sang together like one. DIO!!!!!!
A similar pairing would have been Corelli or MDM with Bastianini,
Merrill, or GG Guelfi!
With the latter, Corelli and he should have included "Si pel ciel" in
their old Cetra LP of scenes - entirely from Forza , IIRC.
>RD
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You thionk that's on the loud side? Try the recitativo opening "all'erta
marinar". *I*, ME, MOI, had to reduce volume while playing it in the
car!
Can you just imagime TR & DelM singing a duet?!?!?!?! Boggles the
imagination....of course, we would not "dare" applaud & yell bravi, at
the end; just quietly sit on our hands....
DonP.
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"It is a good rule in life never to apologize to the sickeningly smug
and totally undeserving. The right sort of people do not want
apologies, and the wrong sort predictably take a mean advantage of
them. "
Moreover:
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"Leonard Tillman" <tapef...@webtv.net> wrote
>A similar pairing would have been Corelli or MDM with Bastianini,
Merrill, or GG Guelfi!
With the latter, Corelli and he should have included "Si pel ciel" in
their old Cetra LP of scenes - entirely from Forza , IIRC.>
Carefully selected from "Leonard's Lists-A List For Every Occasion".
Leonard Tillman
Bollman's List-Envy, as expressed by:
>"Leonard's Lists-A List For Every Occasion".
I'll keep 'em coming, Chuckie.
I'd say "eat your heart out", but you haven't any, -- ergo, you'd just
better keep snacking on your usual repast, oft-described by Mr. Tritter
(from whom you ainna gittin' $10,000!)!
David7Gable
>prime. I have never heard a singer give more visceral thrill than MacNeil is
>so
>many moments.
Is there a live Ernani with MacNeil?
-david gable
Premiereopera
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There are many. The best is a Met broadcast from 1962, also with Price,
Bergonzi, Tozzi. MacNeil steals the show, as he always did, with his great act
3 scena.
There are also two or three from Italy, late 50's, early 60's, at least one of
which is with Del Monaco, and one from Buenos Aires with Labo.
His Carlo in Ernani needs superlatives that I don't have at my command!
Best,
Ed
Leonard Tillman
Several. Check with Ed and/or CH.
I prefer Sereni and Bastianini in the Carlo Quinto role.
Leonard Tillman,
-To whom:
Steve Silverman, Andre35 E. Storfer, "Dr." Paul Schneider, and Chuck
T(he Hack). Bollman owe a mimimum of eight billion apologies ( that's 2
Billion each, so they needn't count on their toes). Absolute sincerity
and total remorse are required from each of the four.
-- Payable as of yesterday.
The above is Not Negotiable.
donpaolo
wholeheartedly endorse what Ed has posted concerning Mac's Ernani role.
Wasn't a bad Barnaba, Michele, or Gianciotto (?Francesca) neither!!
DonP.
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>Although his wobble & sometimes lack of involvement, drove me up a wall, I
>wholeheartedly endorse what Ed has posted concerning Mac's Ernani role.
>Wasn't a bad Barnaba, Michele, or Gianciotto (?Francesca) neither!!
>
>DonP.
"Wasn't a bad Barnaba?" Come on, DonP, surely you can muster more enthusiasm
than that! MacNeil as Barnaba was the epitome of evil, and nobody, not even
Warren, sang the role with more magnificence.
Seriously, do you have a live MacNeil Barnaba in your collection. Because if
you don't, I will send you one. The Buenos Aires performance from 1966 is
outstanding, as are any number of Met performances.
I will send you the Buenos Aires, and then you listen and write you "review" to
the list, OK?
I truly think that you will go crazy over Mac"s Barnaba.
Best,
Ed
Leonard Tillman
>Although his wobble & sometimes lack of
> involvement, drove me up a wall, I
> wholeheartedly endorse what Ed has posted
> concerning Mac's Ernani role. Wasn't a bad
> Barnaba, Michele, or Gianciotto (?Francesca)
> neither!!
I actually liked him best as Michele, a role that didn't require what he
lacked - an especially beautiful , flowing tone - but instead, the
acting abiltity and stage presence he had in abundance and brought to
it.
>DonP.
LT
"Premiereopera" <premie...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Subject: Re: So, What About GINO BECHI...
From: david...@aol.com (David7Gable)
Date: 4/28/04 11:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <20040428235449...@mb-m29.aol.com>
>I agree, and I hope you experienced Cornell
> MacNeil live in his wonderful prime. I have
> never heard a singer give more visceral thrill
> than MacNeil is so many moments.
>Is there a live Ernani with MacNeil?
>-david gable
>There are many. The best is a Met broadcast
> from 1962, also with Price, Bergonzi, Tozzi.
> MacNeil steals the show, as he always did,
> with his great act 3 scena.
>There are also two or three from Italy, late
> 50's, early 60's, at least one of which is with
> Del Monaco, and one from Buenos Aires with
> Labo.
>His Carlo in Ernani needs superlatives that I
> don't have at my command!
>Best,
>Ed
Leonard Tillman
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"The noblest answer unto such,
Is kindly silence when they brawl" -- Tennyson
donpaolo
DonP.
"Premiereopera" <premie...@aol.com> wrote in message
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donpaolo
managed to weasel another freebie outta my pal, ED. Maybe I'll next be
less-than-adoring about a few others :>))))
DonP.
"Leonard Tillman" <tapef...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Leonard Tillman
>That video is "goose-bump" stuff. Hay - I liked
> his Barnaba OK, but I managed to weasel
> another freebie outta my pal, ED. Maybe I'll
> next be less-than-adoring about a few others
> :>))))
Couldn't hoitte! One of those rare cases where "negativity" yields
positive results! :>>:-))))>
>DonP.
LT
"Leonard Tillman" <tapef...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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From: donp...@erols.com (donpaolo)
Although his wobble & sometimes lack of
involvement, drove me up a wall, I
wholeheartedly endorse what Ed has posted concerning Mac's Ernani role.
Wasn't a bad Barnaba, Michele, or Gianciotto (?Francesca) neither!!
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-- Credit where due:
Best quote PS ever swiped:
"The noblest answer unto such,
Is kindly silence when they brawl" -- Tennyson
Leonard Tillman
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"Vigourously stirring the pot, ne'er won a sought apology"
-- Anonymous (and wise) 20th Century Philosopher