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Bernard Gould

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Aug 8, 2001, 5:41:06 AM8/8/01
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"Lost Voices" today [R4[ examined the nightmare of
opera singers, who have lost their voice[the kind that
terminates careers].
How singer's of undoubted talent and voices of real
beauty, can disintegrate vocally,[crash],due to physical or emotional
problems.The immense stress factors and
psychological demands inherent in their working lives.
I t was distressing to hear the contributors talk about their vocal
decline,loss of identity, instability, isolation.
John Wakefields,experience of being shunned by colleagues [as if he had a
disease]when his voice developed a
harshness and unevenness and then crashed.
Isobel Buchanan cites, emotional trauma self
doubt and her move from Australian Opera,[aged 21]were she felt
part of a family,to Europe were she felt alone and isolated,"I was on my own
not knowing a soul, nobody cared if I stood or fell" All those people who
loved me
hailed me,wanted me, oh you must come and see me
vanished without trace "
Norma Burrowes spoke of her frustration and how it was
as if some awful mistake had been made,she felt
crippled ,singing was her life.

Bernard


Francesco Tranquilli

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Aug 7, 2001, 5:57:17 PM8/7/01
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What about a forum about those singers who did not retire - as they should
have - when their voice crashed? A modest proposal only to start:
Ricciarelli & Carreras, former lovers, former opera singers.
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Georio

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Aug 7, 2001, 7:41:09 PM8/7/01
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>"Lost Voices" today [R4[ examined the nightmare of
>opera singers, who have lost their voice[the kind that
>terminates careers].

Pardon my ignorance, but just what is this "Lost Voices" (R4)? Is it a radio
show? I am very intrigued by this and would like to hear/read it for myself.
Thanks in advance.

Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque)

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Aug 8, 2001, 12:31:54 AM8/8/01
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Yes, please do tell us more. "Losing" the voice is every
singer's nightmare, of course - I used to be nearly paranoid
when a case of laryngitis lasted more than a few days - but
it would be interesting to learn how singers to whom it
realy happened managed to cope (without going insane).

Matthew B. Tepper

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Aug 8, 2001, 12:45:35 AM8/8/01
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"Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque)" <evg...@earthlink.net> wrote in
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> Yes, please do tell us more. "Losing" the voice is every
> singer's nightmare, of course - I used to be nearly paranoid
> when a case of laryngitis lasted more than a few days - but
> it would be interesting to learn how singers to whom it
> realy happened managed to cope (without going insane).

Didn't Judith Blegen have some sort of vocal crisis?

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Aug 8, 2001, 4:38:56 AM8/8/01
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>Pardon my ignorance, but just what is this "Lost Voices" (R4)? Is it a radio
>show

I assume that it was a feature programme on the BBC's Radio 4 channel in the
UK.

NICK/London

Bernard Gould

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Aug 8, 2001, 5:39:11 PM8/8/01
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The program"Lost Voices" was on
BBC Radio 4 here in the UK [ 8 /8 /01]
my apologies for being parochial.
Clearly Isobel Buchanan, Norma Burrowes and John Wakefield in particular,
were extremely traumatized by their situation.
The program spoke to Diana Harris, a distinguished
singer who had also lost her voice.She developed an interest in vocal
conservation and repair.Her brother
Tom Harris [Larynxologist] an ear nose and throat specialist, with
a sub specialty in voice has helped resurrect the career
of many singers in vocal crisis
"Singers need to know, that there is a support network
out there, people who understand the mechanism,
who understand the way it works, have been singers who
can sort the problem out "
"A lot of people go through this and have come out the
other end, so courage"
I believe a support telephone number was given at the end of the program
[contact BBC Radio 4 website?]

PS Norma Burrowes retired in 1982 aged 38
I think John Wakefield began a teaching career
Trinity College of Music .
Isobel Buchanan got through her crisis ?


Bernard [ The most important word in a singer's vocab
is NO and I thought is was just me!!]

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Matthew B. Tepper

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Aug 8, 2001, 10:41:24 AM8/8/01
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I wonder if Radio 4 is heard in Cardiff?

Bernard Gould

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Aug 8, 2001, 11:58:39 PM8/8/01
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Now you wouldn't want that poor [rich]
little girl to lose her voice, Now would you bach!!

Bernard

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Matthew B. Tepper

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Aug 8, 2001, 3:14:39 PM8/8/01
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No, what I meant was that the show could serve as a timely warning! Drop
that busy schedule *immediately*, retrain with a good teacher, eliminate
all those bad and dangerous habits such as jaw-wobbling, and take the time
to learn the real repertoire and real interpretation from experts. Then,
maybe, if all goes well, come back in a few years and work her way up in a
regional opera house.

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Sharpeyes

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Aug 8, 2001, 6:02:50 PM8/8/01
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"Matthew B. Tepper" <oy兀earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> I wonder if Radio 4 is heard in Cardiff?>

Nothing about an opera singer hear, I fear.
Sharpeyes

Matthew B. Tepper

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Aug 8, 2001, 7:50:22 PM8/8/01
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How true!

Astrphl

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Aug 21, 2001, 3:28:00 AM8/21/01
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I have a tape of a Jim Sveda program taped many, many years ago. The Opera Box
program was called "Whom the gods need not destroy," and concerned singers
whose carrers were ended early because of self destructive behavior (including
suicide) or inappropriate roles taken on too early. Although Sveda was never
my favorite music critic (too arrogant and opinionated!) this was a very
interesting program and actually introduced me to some signers I have since
become very fond of.

Georio

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Aug 21, 2001, 2:31:51 PM8/21/01
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I am curious as to who is included in this particular survey. I would guess
Marie Collier and Isabel Strauss, two highly gifted sopranos who specialized in
20th century music, both of whom took their lives. I think another suicide was
the American soprano Saramae Endich, who I have as an exquisite soprano soloist
on my favorite recording of Britten's CEREMONY OF CAROLS with the Robert Shaw
Chorale. This is the only recording I know which uses a women's instead of a
children's choir, and it has a special sensuality (or perhaps a maternal
quality) which makes an interesting couterpoint to the sacred subject. Endich
had a lovely voice, and I have held on to an LP set of operetta excerpts on the
Reader's Digest label for her contribution.

Matthew B. Tepper

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Aug 21, 2001, 3:44:36 PM8/21/01
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geo...@aol.com (Georio) wrote in
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> I am curious as to who is included in this particular survey. I would
> guess Marie Collier and Isabel Strauss, two highly gifted sopranos who
> specialized in 20th century music, both of whom took their lives. I

> think another suicide was the American soprano Saramae Endich [....]

Don't forget Alan Crofut, a Met comprimario who took his own life.

Matthew B. Tepper

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Aug 21, 2001, 10:50:06 PM8/21/01
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> geo...@aol.com (Georio) wrote in
> news:20010821143151...@mb-cc.aol.com:
>
>> I am curious as to who is included in this particular survey. I would
>> guess Marie Collier and Isabel Strauss, two highly gifted sopranos who
>> specialized in 20th century music, both of whom took their lives. I
>> think another suicide was the American soprano Saramae Endich [....]
>
> Don't forget Alan Crofut, a Met comprimario who took his own life.

Counselor Tritter has already reminded me in private email that this
tenor's surname was spelt "Crofoot," and I thank him for the correction.
Undoubtedly, I had the spelling confused with that of the late great folk
singer, Bill Crofut (who made a few recordings with Benjamin Luxon).

Karen Mercedes

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Aug 22, 2001, 2:48:07 PM8/22/01
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French tenor Adolphe Nourrit killed himself by jumping out of his hotel
window on 8 August 1839 after having been upstaged by his younger rival,
Gilbert Duprez (of the full-chest high C).

Cleveland opera bass-baritone Edward Russell White committed suicide after
a bad rehearsal, first failing to overdose in a hotel room on 80 beta
blocker tablets; he was admitted to a psychiatric hospital where he hanged
himself later that night.

German baritone Theodor Bertram began drinking heavily after the death of
his wife, soprano Marie Bertram, and eventually committed suicide on 24
November 1907.

Zinaida Jurjevskaya, Russian soprano, apparently drowned herself in 1925.

Soviet dramatic tenor Georgi Nelepp died under suspicious circumstances in
1957 - it was called suicide, but who could tell back in Stalinist days?

Pavel Koshitz, father of Russian spinto Nina Koshetz, and an important
dramatic tenor (Bolshoi) in his own right, killed himself in 1901, age 41.

Canadian tenor Alan Crafoot committed suicide in 1979, only a year after
signing his first contract with the Met.

Hollywood operetta baritone Douglas McPhail also took to drink when he
career began to fail. After at least one earlier failed attempt, he
successfully poisoned himself in 1944.


Then there is, of course, "Il Stupendo", Tito Morelli.... :)

What a cheerful subject.

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Andre Edouard

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Aug 22, 2001, 3:48:12 PM8/22/01
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Thanks for the "cheer me up" note.
AE

Barbara Gross

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Aug 22, 2001, 3:47:47 PM8/22/01
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Isn't it rumoured as well that Callas committed suicide? supposedly there
was
a note next to her body with the words from the big Gioconda aria.

-Bibi

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Georio

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Aug 22, 2001, 8:28:14 PM8/22/01
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>> What a cheerful subject

Ummm...this IS an opera site, isn't it?

Well, actually, this thread was initially concerned with singers who lost their
voices, and not necessarily their lives. But I had to mention (in a previous
post) soprano Isabel Strauss, Marie in the Boulez recording of WOZZECK, who
was, I seem to recall, found frozen in the arms of her lover in the winter
woods, an apparant double suicide. Now THAT'S an operatic ending! (Does anyone
know anything more about this?)

Georio

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Aug 22, 2001, 8:32:00 PM8/22/01
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>Isn't it rumoured as well that Callas committed suicide? supposedly there
>was
>a note next to her body with the words from the big Gioconda aria

Yes, supposedly her ex-husband found a scrap of paper in her room with the
lines "Suicidio! in questi fieri momenti..." cryptically scrawled on it. On
this he based his hypothesis that she took her own life. But I think the
coroner's report at the time was pretty cut and dried, indicating a heart
attack, and she DID have dangerously low blood pressure. (Not to mention a low
vibrato rate on her high Eb, but THAT'S another thread...)

Opaffic

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Aug 22, 2001, 9:00:27 PM8/22/01
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>From: georio

she DID have dangerously low blood pressure. (Not to mention a low
>vibrato rate on her high Eb, but THAT'S another thread...)

LOL!!! Thank goodness for a sense of humor!

Skip

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Aug 22, 2001, 9:15:33 PM8/22/01
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I think it was more like a double E-flat........
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John Lynch

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Aug 23, 2001, 5:34:18 AM8/23/01
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Like Mawrdew Czgowchwz, she vibrated in thirds.

Barbara Gross

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Aug 23, 2001, 10:20:37 AM8/23/01
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omg, Georio - I am laughing my ASS off at the low vibrato rate comment!! :)

Cuchi-cuchi!
Bibi

>===== Original Message From geo...@aol.com (Georio) =====


>>Isn't it rumoured as well that Callas committed suicide? supposedly there
>>was
>>a note next to her body with the words from the big Gioconda aria
>
>Yes, supposedly her ex-husband found a scrap of paper in her room with the
>lines "Suicidio! in questi fieri momenti..." cryptically scrawled on it. On
>this he based his hypothesis that she took her own life. But I think the
>coroner's report at the time was pretty cut and dried, indicating a heart

>attack, and she DID have dangerously low blood pressure. (Not to mention a

low
>vibrato rate on her high Eb, but THAT'S another thread...)

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