Gypsies in Opera
John Yohalem
role?
Operettas and plays acceptable.
Aside of course from
Carmen (1875)
Il Trovatore (1853)
Mignon (when did this premiere?)
The Bohemian Girl (when did this premiere?)
Thanks much,
Hans Lick
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Enrique Eskenazi
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>Can anyone in this ng think of operas in which Gypsies play a significant
>role?
>Operettas and plays acceptable.
>Aside of course from
>Carmen (1875)
>Il Trovatore (1853)
>Mignon (when did this premiere?)
>The Bohemian Girl (when did this premiere?)
Il Turco in Italia
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> In article <39d3...@news2.starnetinc.com>, "John Yohalem"
> <ench...@herodotus.com> wrote:
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> >Can anyone in this ng think of operas in which Gypsies play a significant
> >role?
> >Operettas and plays acceptable.
> >Aside of course from
> >Carmen (1875)
> >Il Trovatore (1853)
> >Mignon (when did this premiere?)
> >The Bohemian Girl (when did this premiere?)
>
The role of Stigna . . . . e-r-r, Preziosilla in Forza del Destino
(premiered 1862)
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John Yohalem <ench...@herodotus.com> schreef in berichtnieuws
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> Can anyone in this ng think of operas in which Gypsies play a significant
> role?
> Operettas and plays acceptable.
> Aside of course from
> Carmen (1875)
> Il Trovatore (1853)
> Mignon (when did this premiere?)
> The Bohemian Girl (when did this premiere?)
Rakhmaninoff's Aleko; Leocavallo's I Zingari; Rinaldo da Capua's La Zingara.
Benjo Maso
John Yohalem
Now I need the date of the premiere of The Gypsy Baron.
Anybody got a reference on operettas handy?
Thanks,
JY
SharpEars
I'm thinking of Janacek's "The Diary of One Who Vanished," which is a song
cycle (for tenor and contralto) involving a young man and his seduction by a
gypsy girl. It ends with the boy's abandoning his own world and disappearing
into the gypsy world.
Mark D. Lew
>Can anyone in this ng think of operas in which Gypsies play a significant
>role?
Leoncavallo's Zazą is a gypsy. How delighted I am that someone else has
already mentioned Rachmaninoff's Aleko, a favorite of mine, in spite of its
shortcomings.
> Mignon (when did this premiere?)
1866
> The Bohemian Girl (when did this premiere?)
1843
mdl
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Gypsy Baron (Strauss, J.)
The Fortune Teller (Herbert)
John Yohalem wrote:
> Can anyone in this ng think of operas in which Gypsies play a significant
> role?
> Operettas and plays acceptable.
> Aside of course from
> Carmen (1875)
> Il Trovatore (1853)
> Mignon (when did this premiere?)
> The Bohemian Girl (when did this premiere?)
>
Oisk17
>Anybody got a reference on operettas handy?
October 24, 1885, is the premiere date I have on the notes to my recording of
Gypsy Baron.
There is also an operetta called Zigeunerliebe, (Gypsy Love) by Lehar , from
1910.
Graefin Mariza, by Kalman, (1920's ,not sure of exact date,) is loaded with
Gypsy characters, and has songs such as "Hoere ich Zigeunergeigen, (when I hear
Gypsy violins,) and the very famous, "Komm, Zigany, (come Gypsy).
Csardasfuerstin, or The Gypsy Princess, also by Kalman, opened in Vienna in
1915. (my Grandmother attended the opening!)
Hope this information is helpful to you.
Regards,
Paul
Oisk17
>
>Now I need the date of the premiere of The Gypsy Baron.
>Anybody got a reference on operettas handy?
October 24, 1885.
Other operettas on the topic:
Zigeunerliebe, by Lehar (1910)
Csardasfuerstin (Gypsy Princess) by Kalman, (1915)
Countess Mariza, also by Kalman,
1920's. (Famous song Komm, Zigany is from that. Has been sung often in English
as "Come, Gypsy" )
Regards,
Paul.
Brian Vohnsen
John Yohalem wrote:
> Can anyone in this ng think of operas in which Gypsies play a significant
> role?
> Operettas and plays acceptable.
> Aside of course from
> Carmen (1875)
> Il Trovatore (1853)
> Mignon (when did this premiere?)
> The Bohemian Girl (when did this premiere?)
>
> Thanks much,
>
> Hans Lick
>
> --
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"John Yohalem" <ench...@herodotus.com> wrote:
> Can anyone in this ng think of operas in which Gypsies play a
significant
> role?
> Operettas and plays acceptable.
DER ZIGEUNERPRIMAS by Lehár/ 1912
FRASQUITA by Lehár/ Vienna 1922, a wonderful operetta
BARBEBLEU by Offenbach/ Paris 1866
have fun
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Oisk17 wrote:
>
> Countess Mariza, also by Kalman,
> 1920's. (Famous song Komm, Zigany is from that. Has been sung often in English
> as "Come, Gypsy" )
Don't want to be picky, but the English title most of us know it by is "Play,
Gypsies! Dance, Gypsies!" (I know that isn't an exact translation of the German
title, but that's how it's published here.)
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Paul.
John Yohalem
Oisk 17 wrote:
> >Now I need the date of the premiere of The Gypsy Baron.
> >Anybody got a reference on operettas handy?
>
> October 24, 1885, is the premiere date I have on the notes to my recording
of
> Gypsy Baron.
Thanks a bunch!
I knew someone here had to have this info.
> There is also an operetta called Zigeunerliebe, (Gypsy Love) by Lehar ,
from
> 1910.
>
> Graefin Mariza, by Kalman, (1920's ,not sure of exact date,) is loaded
with
> Gypsy characters,
It is? As I recall (but come to think of it, I was watching it in Hungarian
with a German one-page plot synopsis), there are the songs about them, but
the characters are all Hungarian nobles. Some in disguise, of course. It's
an operetta, isn't it?
>and has songs such as "Hoere ich Zigeunergeigen, (when I hear
> Gypsy violins,) and the very famous, "Komm, Zigany, (come Gypsy).
>
> Csardasfuerstin, or The Gypsy Princess, also by Kalman, opened in Vienna
in
> 1915. (my Grandmother attended the opening!)
Good for her! I wonder if Franz Josef was there, with Kaethe Schratt....
But Csardas doesn't mean Gypsy, does it? It's that damned dance....
> Hope this information is helpful to you.
Distinctly so.
Hans Lick
Lyle K. Neff
> Operettas and plays acceptable.
"Aleko" by Rachmaninoff, I think.
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>
>
> Now name a great opera co-creator who was kidnapped by Gypsies!
Not gypsies exactly, but the infant W.S. Gilbert was briefly kidnapped
by Neapolitan brigands.
The Mixer
> where he got the idea?)
Yup, for real, at least according to his numerous biographers...I
suppose there's a chance the story was apocryphal. Boiling it down to
a short one paragraph from Ian Bradley's 'The Annotated Gilbert &
Sullivan', "At the age of two he was taken by his parents on holiday to
Naples. One afternoon he was out for a pram ride with his nurse when
two Italians came up and told her that they had been sent by 'the
Engleesh papa' to bring back 'his lofly bambino'. The credulous nurse
handed over the baby and a few hours later Gilbert's father received a
ransom demand for 25 pounds."
And now you know where Gilbert got the idea for the half-witted nurses
in the Pirates and Pinafore and for the plot twist in the Gondoliers
where the Grand Inquisitor 'stole the Prince and brought him here and
left him gaily prattling with a highly respected gondolier, etc'.
Matthew B. Tepper
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Now name a great opera co-creator who was kidnapped by Gypsies!
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Matthew B. Tepper
<39D53893...@bc.sympatico.ca>:
>Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
>>
>>
>> Now name a great opera co-creator who was kidnapped by Gypsies!
>
>
>Not gypsies exactly, but the infant W.S. Gilbert was briefly kidnapped
>by Neapolitan brigands.
That's who I had in mind; I figured they were close enough.
Capa0848
>From: "John Yohalem" ench...@herodotus.com
>Date: 09/28/2000 9:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <39d3...@news2.starnetinc.com>
>
>Can anyone in this ng think of operas in which Gypsies play a significant
>role?
>Operettas and plays acceptable.
>Carmen (1875)
>Il Trovatore (1853)
>Mignon (when did this premiere?)
>The Bohemian Girl (when did this premiere?)
>
>Thanks much,
>
>Hans Lick
>
>--
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"Preciosa" by K M von Weber is a Gypsy girl.
"Frauenlob" (1892) by Reinhold Becker, the Liedermeister of Dresden, features
a Gypsy woman, Sizyga, as well as old gypsy prophecy.
Toby in "The Medium" is a gypsy.
Salud, in "La Vida Breve" by de Falla, is a gypsy girl.
The title character of "Manru" by the Polish patriot Paderewsky is a gypsy.
"I Zingari", by Leoncavallo is about gypsies.
"The Bohemian Girl" by Balfe is based on a story called "The Gypsy".
Best Regards,
Pat
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Sing me a song no poet yet has chanted,
Sing me the Universal.
Whitman Leaves of Grass No. 254 Song of the Universal
Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque)
The Mixer wrote:
> Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
> >
> >
> > Now name a great opera co-creator who was kidnapped by Gypsies!
>
> Not gypsies exactly, but the infant W.S. Gilbert was briefly kidnapped
> by Neapolitan brigands.
For real? (It sounds more like a plot from one of his operas - or is that
Matthew B. Tepper
<39D55644...@earthlink.net>:
Yep! It was, in fact, part of the inspiration for "The Gondoliers."
Mark D. Lew
oy兀earthlink.net (Matthew B. Tepper) wrote:
> >Not gypsies exactly, but the infant W.S. Gilbert was briefly kidnapped
> >by Neapolitan brigands.
>
> That's who I had in mind; I figured they were close enough.
Hmph. Spoken like a true Northerner.
I once knew a guy, whose family came from somewhere in northern Lombardy,
who told me that Sicilians are really Africans. He was joking -- sort
of....
mdl
chris
my favorite singing gypsy.
John Yohalem <ench...@herodotus.com> wrote in message
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> Can anyone in this ng think of operas in which Gypsies play a significant
> role?
> Operettas and plays acceptable.
> Aside of course from
> Carmen (1875)
> Il Trovatore (1853)
> Mignon (when did this premiere?)
> The Bohemian Girl (when did this premiere?)
>
> Thanks much,
>
> Hans Lick
>
> --
> John Brightshadow Yohalem
Beth Diane Garfinkel
> Don't forget the role of Preziolossa (sp?) in Verdi's La Forza del Destino,
> my favorite singing gypsy.
Didn't one of the Strausses (I think it was Richard, but it could
conceivably have been one of the Viennese Strausses)write an opera called
Zigeunerbaron or some such (meaning "Lord of the Gypsies")?
Beth
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Johann Strauss II, "Der Zigeunerbaron". Literally, "The Gypsy Baron".
One of his most successful works, second only to "Die Fledermaus" in
popularity among his operettas.
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Brian Vohnsen
Tigrana also appears to be a gipsy.
Best, Brian
Barry Coward
<URL:mailto:voh...@physics.auc.dk> wrote:
> Another opera is Puccini's Edgar where
> Tigrana also appears to be a gipsy.
> Best, Brian
>
> John Yohalem wrote:
>
> > Can anyone in this ng think of operas in which Gypsies play a significant
> > role?
> > Operettas and plays acceptable.
> > Aside of course from
> > Carmen (1875)
> > Il Trovatore (1853)
> > Mignon (when did this premiere?)
> > The Bohemian Girl (when did this premiere?)
> >
Maid of Perth.
Kind regards,
Barry Coward
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"John Yohalem" <ench...@herodotus.com> wrote:
> Can anyone in this ng think of operas in which Gypsies play a
significant
> role?
> Operettas and plays acceptable.
> Aside of course from
> Carmen (1875)
> Il Trovatore (1853)
> Mignon (when did this premiere?)
> The Bohemian Girl (when did this premiere?)
>
>
> Hans Lick
There is Donizetti's La Zingara(1822), unrevived in modern times, to
consider...I for one would love to see this light-hearted work
resurface (as I am sure it will).