Gerhardt Korngold CD, Expanded & Pre-Dolby?
Jaime J. Weinman
Film Scores of Erich Wolfgang Korngold" which was quite different from
the ones I've known up till now. It was released in 1989 and the
remastering was prepared by the conductor, Charles Gerhardt -- unlike
all the currently-available "Classic Film Scores" CDs, which are remixed
into Dolby Surround and credit someone other than Gerhardt with the
remastering. (I'm no audiophile, but I do think this CD sounds better --
more like the Kenneth Wilkinson engineering I've come to know and like
-- than the Dolby remix.) Also, the contents are different -- "The Sea
Hawk" and "Of Human Bondage" tracks are expanded by being combined with
the music from other discs (the "Sea Hawk" music from the Errol Flynn
disc, and the "Bondage" music from the second Korngold disc) to make
extended suites. "Between Two Worlds" has a bit of music that wasn't on
the LP or the other CD. "Juarez," "Robin Hood" and "Captain Blood"
excerpts aren't here, but the "Sea Wolf" suite is added. The booklet
note by Gerhardt states that he had prepared all the "Classic Film
Scores" series for CD, and explains the re-arranging and re-grouping of
suites that he was going to do. So my questions are:
a) Did any of the other Classic Film Scores series reach CD in this
pre-Dolby, expanded form?
b) Why did RCA issue the whole series remixed in Dolby, without
Gerhardt's involvement (apparently), and without any expanded suites or
extra material?
c) Is this CD rare?
Jaime J. Weinman
Robert John Guttke
I remember it being odd thatthere were two versions of this disc...
one with expended music, especially of The Sea Hawk and a couple
others. I have the BIG one. But I don't believe any of the other
series came in pairs.
Thomas Muething
>I remember it being odd thatthere were two versions of this disc...
>one with expended music, especially of The Sea Hawk and a couple
>others.
>
Among the latter, Escape Me Never, especially. Lovely score.
> I have the BIG one. But I don't believe any of the other
>series came in pairs.
>
Me neither. But the Dolby Remixes weren't that bad - as long as you
don't use Dolby :-)
Thomas
Kaplan
Place, Mr Skeffington (from the Bette Davis album), To Have and Have
not and The Two Mrs. Carrolls (from the Bogart album)to the original
program.
Robert John Guttke
The Waxman disc has those, but there were never two versions.
Robert John Guttke
Isn't it fun to talk about a film composer that Jostein hasn't a clue
about?
Cesare Cioni
> >I believe there was a Waxman album adding the Main Title from Peyton
> >Place, Mr Skeffington (from the Bette Davis album), To Have and Have
> >not and The Two Mrs. Carrolls (from the Bogart album)to the original
> >program.
> The Waxman disc has those, but there were never two versions.
No, there WERE two versions. One as "RCA red label", which I have
somewhere, with more tracks (all the Waxman tracks from all the
Gerghardt collections), and then one with Dolby Surround remix and the
"silver" cover, same content as the LP.
Cesare
Cesare Cioni
> a) Did any of the other Classic Film Scores series reach CD in this
> pre-Dolby, expanded form?
> b) Why did RCA issue the whole series remixed in Dolby, without
> Gerhardt's involvement (apparently), and without any expanded suites or
> extra material?
> c) Is this CD rare?
That disc was supposed to be the first of a series of remastered,
expanded discs. I have it and it is wonderful.
For reasons I do not know, they decided not to proceed with the project,
and reissued all the LPs in Dolby remix, without additional material and
the "silver" covers.
Cesare
Cesare Cioni
Sorry - just found it.
"Sunset Boulevard - The classic film scores of Franz Waxman", released
around 1986 (it's not stated on the cover but it was one of the very
first CDs I got).
RCA "Red seal" (ont "red label") RCD1-7017, 13 tracks - the later
"silver" realease has only 8 - 68'46" playing time.
Cesare
Mark Hasan
--
Mark Hasan
mar...@sympatico.canospamolita
(to reply, please remove 'nospamolita')
The RCA Gerhardt "Classic Film Score" Series
by R. Mike Murray
Many new film score fans (and some old ones as well) inquire from time to time
about RCA's "Classic Film Score" recordings from the 1970s done by Charles
Gerhardt and the National Philharmonic Orchestra on LP originally. Many of these
were released as regular recordings and on RCA's "discrete" CD-4 Quadraphonic
LPs and Quad 7" open-reel tape recordings as well. In 1989, RCA remixed and
transferred these recordings (ADD) to CD, containing the original, excellent
liner notes.
For those of you seeking these excellent re-recordings of "Golden Age" scores,
which are essential to any serious film music enthusiast, I have listed the 15
albums below with their LP, tape and CD numbers and dates and described the
contents by referring to the movies represented on each disc. With only one
exception (see "Spectacular" below), no actual tracks repeat from disc to disc,
although you may see the same movie name used on different discs. The total
playing time for all of the discs is approximately 13+ hours. The pressing
numbers are for U.S. editions only. Gerhardt's Classic Film Score series was
directly inspired and influenced by Peter Munves, who had heard Gerhardt's
earlier film score recordings with the RCA Symphony Orchestra and the London
Symphony Orchestra, pressed by RCA for Reader's Digest multi-disc LP box sets.
He suggested that Gerhardt record an album consisting entirely of Erich Wolfgang
Korngold's film scores, which eventually became the first in the CFS series,
"The Sea Hawk." For historical purposes, at the conclusion of the Classic Film
Score listings below, I have noted Gerhardt's excellent film score recordings on
the Reader's Digest albums, and also a 1992 audiophile CD release of this music.
The LPs listed here are long out of print, and I can only humbly suggest you
obtain the CD versions before they are eventually cut-out as well. Print the
list out for future reference. NOTE: I have listed the Quadraphonic LPs and
tapes of which I am currently aware. If you have a confirmed LP Quad or tape
recording of any of the titles NOT so marked, please E-Mail me direct with title
and record number at recr...@ican.net.
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The Classic Film Score Series
NOTE: all LPs are RCA; all CDs are RCA (BMG)
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The Sea Hawk: The Classic Film Scores of Erich Wolfgang Korngold (LP) LSC-3330
(1972); (CD) 7890-2-RG (1985)***; (CD) 60863-2-RG (1989).
The Sea Hawk; Of Human Bondage; The Adventures of Robin Hood; Juarez; Kings Row;
The Constant Nymph; Captain Blood; Anthony Adverse; Between Two Worlds;
Deception; Devotion; Escape Me Never
***This was the first CD version of The Sea Hawk, a rare release because it
included additional music left off the original LP, and added in some music from
other Korngold releases to make for longer suites. This is not in Dolby Surround
Sound. The second CD release was shortened back to its LP format.
The Sea Hawk (Suite), Of Human Bondage (Suite); Between Two Worlds (Suite), The
Sea Wolf, Kings Row, Anthony Adverse, Deception, Devotion, Escape Me Never; The
Constant Nymph
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Now Voyager: The Classic Film Scores of Max Steiner (LP) ARL1-0136 (1973); (CD)
0136-2-RG (1989)
Now Voyager; King Kong; Saratoga Trunk; The Charge of the Light Brigade; Four
Wives; The Big Sleep; Johnny Belinda; Since You Went Away; The Informer; The
Fountainhead
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Classic Film Scores for Bette Davis (LP) ARL1-0183 (1973); (CD) 0183-2-RG (1989)
Now Voyager (Steiner); Dark Victory (Steiner); A Stolen Life (Steiner); The
Private Lives of Elizabeth and Essex (Korngold); Mr. Skeffington (Waxman); In
This Our Life (Steiner); All About Eve (Newman); Jezebel (Steiner); Beyond the
Forest (Steiner); Juarez (Korngold); The Letter (Steiner); All This, And Heaven
Too (Steiner).
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Captain from Castile: The Classic Film Scores of Alfred Newman (LP) ARL1-0184
(1973); (CD) 0184-2-RG (1989)
20th Century Fox Fanfare and Street Scene; Captain from Castile; Wuthering
Heights; Down to the Sea in Ships; The Song of Bernadette; The Bravados;
Anastasia; The Best of Everything; Airport; The Robe
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Elizabeth & Essex: The Classic Film Scores of Erich Wolfgang Korngold (LP)
ARL1-0185 (1973); (CD) 0185-2-RG (1989)
The Private Lives of Elizabeth and Essex; The Prince and the Pauper; Anthony
Adverse; The Sea Wolf; Deception; Another Dawn; Of Human Bondage.
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Citizen Kane: The Classic Film Scores of Bernard Herrmann (LP) ARL1-0707 (1974);
(LP-Quad) ARD1-0707; (Quad Tape) ERQ1-0707-QF; (CD) 0707-2-RG (1989)
On Dangerous Ground; Citizen Kane; Beneath the 12 Mile Reef; Hangover Square;
White Witch Doctor
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Sunset Boulevard: The Classic Film Scores of Franz Waxman (LP) ARL1-0708 (1974);
(LP-Quad) ARD1-0708; (Quad Tape) ERQ1-0708-QF; (CD) 0708-2-RG (1989); (CD)
RCD1-7017 (1985)*
Prince Valiant; A Place in the Sun; The Bride of Frankenstein; Sunset Boulevard;
Old Acquaintance; Rebecca; The Philadelphia Story; Taras Bulba
*CD RCD1-7017 was an early expanded Waxman disc, not in Dolby Surround, with a
playing time of 68:51. It added tracks not on the original LP from others in the
series, and was later restored to its original format in the 1989 release. This
1985 release contained the following film scores, with notations made only on
those different from the 1989 release: Prince Valiant; Peyton Place (Original
Main Title); A Place in the Sun; The Bride of Frankenstein; To Have and Have
Not(Main Title: Martinique); Sunset Boulevard; Mr. Skeffington (Forsaken);
Objective, Burma! (Parachute Drop); Rebecca; The Philadelphia Story; Old
Acquaintance (Elegy for Strings); The Two Mrs. Carrolls (Main Title, The
Embrace, The Storm; The Poisoned Milk; The Window, Geoffrey's Madness, Finale);
Taras Bulba.
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Casablanca: Classic Film Scores for Humphrey Bogart (LP) ARL1-0422 (1974);
(LP-Quad) ARD1-0422; (Quad Tape) ERQ1-0422-QF; (CD) 0422-2-RG (1989)
Casablanca (Steiner); Passage to Marseille (Steiner); The Treasure of Sierra
Madre (Steiner); The Big Sleep (Steiner); The Caine Mutiny (Steiner); To Have
and Have Not (Waxman); The Two Mrs. Carrolls (Waxman); Sabrina (Hollander); The
Left Hand of God (Young); Sahara (Rozsa); Virginia City (Steiner)
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Gone with the Wind: Max Steiner's Classic Film Score (LP) ARL1-0452 (1974); (CD)
0452-2-RG (1989)
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Spellbound: The Classic Film Scores of Miklos Rozsa (LP) ARL1-0911 (1975);
(LP-Quad) ARD1-0911; (Quad Tape) ERQ1-0911-QF; (CD) 0911-2-RG (1989)
The Red House; The Thief of Bagdad; The Lost Weekend; The Four Feathers; Double
Indemnity; Knights of the Round Table; The Jungle Book; Spellbound; Ivanhoe
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Captain Blood: Classic Film Scores for Errol Flynn (LP) ARL1-0912 (1975);
(LP-Quad) ARD1-0912; (Quad Tape) ERQ1-0912-QF; (CD) 0912-2-RG (1989)
The Adventures of Don Juan (Steiner); The Sea Hawk (Korngold); Captain Blood
(Korngold); They Died with Their Boots On (Steiner); Dodge City (Steiner);
Objective, Burma! (Waxman); The Sun Also Rises (Friedhofer); The Adventures of
Robin Hood (Korngold)
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Lost Horizon: The Classic Film Scores of Dimitri Tiomkin (LP) ARL1-1669 (1976);
(LP-Quad) ARD1-1669; (CD) 1669-2-RG (1989)
Lost Horizon; The Guns of Navarone; The Big Sky; The Fourposter; Friendly
Persuasion; Search for Paradise
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John Williams' Classic Film Scores: Close Encounters of the Third Kind/ Star
Wars (LP) ARL1-2698 (1978); (CD) 2698-2-RG (1989)
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The Spectacular World of Classic Film Scores (LP) ARL1-2792 (1977); (CD)
2792-2-RG (1991)
This album is essentially a sampler of the other albums, however, it has five
(5) tracks which appear ONLY on this disc. These are: Julius Caesar [Overture]
(Rozsa); Peyton Place [Main Title] (Waxman); The Thing[From Another World]
(Tiomkin); King of the Khyber Rifles (Herrmann); Salome (Amfitheatrof). It also
has the Universal Fanfare (McHugh); the MGM Fanfare (Waxman); the Selznick Int.
Pictures Fanfare; and the Warner Bros. Fanfare (Steiner). [This disc repeats the
following tracks: 20th Century Fox Fanfare [with Cinemascope Extension]; Captain
Blood; Now Voyager; Gone with the Wind; Elizabeth & Essex; The Caine Mutiny;
Citizen Kane; Knights of the Round Table; Objective, Burma!; and The Guns of
Navarone ]
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John Williams' Classic Film Scores: Star Wars/Return of the Jedi (LP) CRC1-4748
(1983); (CD) RCD1-4748 (1983-Not Dolby Surround encoded); (CD) 60767-2-RG (1989)
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Charles Gerhardt's film score recordings for Reader's Digest Great Music from
the Movies (LP) Reader's Digest RD3-39 (RCA Custom) (1966)-Four LP Box Set
This includes a 12 page picture booklet authored by Gerhardt entitled: "The
Fascinating Story of Film Music." This set contains 50 tracks. Of these, 33 of
the tracks feature Gerhardt conducting the RCA Symphony Orchestra in scores from
the following films.] Love Is a Many Splendored Thing (Webster); Laura (Raksin);
Three Coins in the Fountain (Styne); Zorba the Greek (Theodorakis); The Third
Man (Karas); Now Voyager (Steiner); Saratoga Trunk (Steiner); King's Row
(Korngold); The Glenn Miller Story (Mancini); The Sandpiper (Mandel); A Woman
Commands (Brown); Cleopatra (North); Jezebel (Steiner); East of Eden (Rosenman);
Shane (Young); The Way to the Gold (Newman); Lili (Kaper); Moulin Rouge (Auric);
Around the World in 80 Days (Young); Charade (Mancini); Lawrence of Arabia
(Jarre); El Cid (Rozsa); Exodus (Gold); Gone with the Wind [9 cues] (Steiner)
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Mood Music from the Movies (LP) Reader's Digest RD4-141 (RCA Custom) (c.1971)-6
LP Box Set
Gerhardt conducts the London Symphony Orchestra on 9 tracks of the 68 cue set
from the following films] Adventures of Robin Hood (Korngold); Spellbound
(Rozsa); Jane Eyre (Williams); The Private Lives of Elizabeth and Essex
(Korngold); 2001: A Space Odyssey (R. Strauss); Rashomon (Hayasaka); Of Human
Bondage (Korngold); The Spector of the Rose (Antheil); Julie (Pennario)
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Hollywood Screen Classics (CD) Chesky Records CD71 (1992)
[National Philharmonic Orchestra conducted by Charles Gerhardt; all recorded in
1968 except tracks 1, 2, 9 and 11 in 1971 and track 13 in 1974. Liner notes by
Bob Benson. "Audiophile CD Produced with 128 times over sampling"]
1 Richard Strauss: 2001 Opening 2 Korngold: Adventures of Robin Hood March of
the Merry Men 3 Rosenman: East of Eden 4 Styne-Cahn :Three Coins in the Fountain
5 Raksin:Laura 6 Korngold: Kings Row 7 Young-David: Shane Call of the Faraway
Hills 8 North: Cleopatra Love theme 9 Barry: Born Free 10 Mancini-Mercer:
Charade 11 Hayasaka: Rashomon 12 Rozsa: El Cid 13 Hadjidakis: Topkapi. 14
Steiner: Gone with the Wind suite (23.26)
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Music From the Prince and the Pauper [and other film music]*; (CD) (1989) Varese
Sarabande VSD 5207 [66:39] The National Philharmonic Orchestra conducted by
Charles Gerhardt
1.The Reivers [Suite] (Williams); 2.The Lost Weekend-[Love Theme] (Rozsa);
3.Jane Eyre-[The Carriage Ride to Thornfield] (Williams); 4.Between Two
Worlds-[Mother and Son; Piano Rhapsody] (Korngold); 5. The Constant Nymph
[Overture] (Korngold); 6.The Specter of the Rose [Ballet Waltz] (George
Antheil); 7.The Madwoman of Chaillot [End Title] (Michael J. Lewis);
8.Cleopatra-[Love Theme] (Alex North); 9.Julie [Midnight on the Cliffs] (Leonard
Pennario); 10.Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?[Main Title] (North); 11.The Prince
and the Pauper [Flirtation] (Korngold); 12. Escape Me Never [Love for Love]
(Korngold); 13. Anne of the 1000 Days [Overture] (Delerue); 14.Henry V [Suite:
Prelude; London 1600; The Globe Theatre; Touch Her Soft Lips and Part; The
Battle of Agincourt-The Duke of Burgundy's Speech; The Agincourt Victory Song]
This consists of additional music previously recorded by Gerhardt for the
Reader's Digest LP project LPs, some of which was not included in those LP box
sets.
Joseph Caporiccio
version. The only other one done this way was the first pressing of Sunset
boulevard which had Waxman music added from other albums. RCA had reuse
rights problems with unreleased music and stopped doing it.
Brockhurst Pertwee
knew what he was talking about. Of course, I have two, so shouldn't he
really come back on, be a man and say, "Oops, I was wrong."
Robert John Guttke
No, I feel more like telling you to shove your second disc up your
ass. That would afford me more joy than your unimportant need for an
apology over something trivial.
Brockhurst Pertwee
Usenet to apologize when they post things as fact and then are proven
totally incorrect. Just a simple "oops" would suffice, but your ego is
apparently so far gone that that simple courtesy is beyond you. It WAS
nice of you to suggest I "shove the second disc up my ass" - there IS
room up there for it, which is more than I can say for you, since your
head is apparently busy occupying that space.
Jaquandor
....come out of hiding to actually contribute something other than some snarky
bitching every six weeks or so?
--
-Jaquandor
http://byzantiumshores.blogspot.com
"Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music."
--George Carlin
MrTasslehoff
> >Trivial or not, Robert John Guttke, why is it so hard for blowhards on
> >Usenet to....
>
> ....come out of hiding to actually contribute something other than some snarky
> bitching every six weeks or so?
Quiet, you.
-- Tasslehoff Burrfoot, Hero of the Lance
Jostein Hakestad
dafed6c6.02110...@posting.google.com, "MrTasslehoff"
<tas...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Right, there you are, you lazy Hero of the Lance.
I kept the seat warm for days, but then I couldn't be bothered and started
learning the ukulele.
Welcome back, shall I play you a ditty what I learned on my travels to far
away regions such as Stavanger, two miles from here?
--
Jostein H
MrTasslehoff
Does JW write for ukulele?
I wonder what this means for Episode III...
-- Tass
Jostein Hakestad
dafed6c6.02110...@posting.google.com, "MrTasslehoff"
<tas...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Jostein Hakestad <joh...@online.no> wrote in message
> news:<B9E8E038.1A215%joh...@online.no>...
>> On 02-11-02 01:11, in article
>> dafed6c6.02110...@posting.google.com, "MrTasslehoff"
>> <tas...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>> jaqu...@aol.comsinatra (Jaquandor) wrote in message
>>> news:<20021101073801...@mb-fo.aol.com>...
>>>>> Trivial or not, Robert John Guttke, why is it so hard for blowhards on
>>>>> Usenet to....
>>>>
>>>> ....come out of hiding to actually contribute something other than some
>>>> snarky
>>>> bitching every six weeks or so?
>>>
>>> Quiet, you.
>>>
>>> -- Tasslehoff Burrfoot, Hero of the Lance
>>
>> Right, there you are, you lazy Hero of the Lance.
>>
>> I kept the seat warm for days, but then I couldn't be bothered and started
>> learning the ukulele.
>>
>> Welcome back, shall I play you a ditty what I learned on my travels to far
>> away regions such as Stavanger, two miles from here?
>
> Does JW write for ukulele?
>
He better.
> I wonder what this means for Episode III...
>
Ukulele solos aplenty!
--
Jostein H
Hercule Platini
MrTasslehoff <tas...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:dafed6c6.02110...@posting.google.com...
> Jostein Hakestad <joh...@online.no> wrote in message
news:<B9E8E038.1A215%joh...@online.no>...
> > On 02-11-02 01:11, in article
> >
started
> > learning the ukulele.
> >
> > Welcome back, shall I play you a ditty what I learned on my travels to
far
> > away regions such as Stavanger, two miles from here?
>
> Does JW write for ukulele?
>
> I wonder what this means for Episode III...
"Love Themes Performed By George Formby".
--
Richard Street - stre...@btinternetAARDVARK.com
MrTasslehoff
Would it be too Brittney Spear-ish of me to ask who on earth George
Formby is? Though I'm guessing he plays ukulele. Is he a Norwegian?
-- Tass
Hercule Platini
MrTasslehoff <tas...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:dafed6c6.02110...@posting.google.com...
> "Hercule Platini" <Stre...@btinternetAARDVARK.com> wrote in message
news:<aq1hig$4t3$1...@sparta.btinternet.com>...
> > MrTasslehoff <tas...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:dafed6c6.02110...@posting.google.com...
> > >
> > > I wonder what this means for Episode III...
> >
> >
> > "Love Themes Performed By George Formby".
>
> Would it be too Brittney Spear-ish of me to ask who on earth George
> Formby is? Though I'm guessing he plays ukulele. Is he a Norwegian?
He's from Yorkshire! Made a bunch of "hilarious" zero-budget British
comedies in the 30s and 40s, in which he played a gawky, bumbling Northern
fool always getting into madcap scrapes and hijinks. Sort of like an
earlier version of Norman Wisdom, but with "hilarious" comic songs like
"When I'm Cleaning Windows", "Auntie Maggie's Homemade Remedy", "When The
Waterworks Caught Fire" and "Leaning on a Lamp-post", which he sang and
played ukelele on.
Several CD compilations are available.
MrTasslehoff
> MrTasslehoff <tas...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:dafed6c6.02110...@posting.google.com...
> > "Hercule Platini" <Stre...@btinternetAARDVARK.com> wrote in message
> news:<aq1hig$4t3$1...@sparta.btinternet.com>...
> > > MrTasslehoff <tas...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > > news:dafed6c6.02110...@posting.google.com...
> > > > Does JW write for ukulele?
> > > >
> > > > I wonder what this means for Episode III...
> > >
> > >
> > > "Love Themes Performed By George Formby".
> >
> > Would it be too Brittney Spear-ish of me to ask who on earth George
> > Formby is? Though I'm guessing he plays ukulele. Is he a Norwegian?
>
>
> He's from Yorkshire! Made a bunch of "hilarious" zero-budget British
> comedies in the 30s and 40s, in which he played a gawky, bumbling Northern
> fool always getting into madcap scrapes and hijinks. Sort of like an
> earlier version of Norman Wisdom, but with "hilarious" comic songs like
> "When I'm Cleaning Windows", "Auntie Maggie's Homemade Remedy", "When The
> Waterworks Caught Fire" and "Leaning on a Lamp-post", which he sang and
> played ukelele on.
Well I'll be damned if even Mr. Guttke isn't looking forward to Ep. 3 now.
-- Tass
Robert John Guttke
You are damned.
MrTasslehoff
> >Well I'll be damned if even Mr. Guttke isn't looking forward to Ep. 3 now.
>
>
> You are damned.
Well... damn.