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Helen Johnston

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Mar 4, 1991, 12:14:42 PM3/4/91
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In article <12675.2...@ecs.umass.edu> gio...@ecs.umass.edu writes:
>Hi,
> I was wondering if anyone's ever heard of a piece called "waltzing
>Matilda." There are references made to it in the TV show "Twin Peaks," but
>I was wondering if it's part of the real world. Also, if any of you are
>Twin Peaks viewers, could the record being played while Donna and Leland
>danced and when Madeline dies be "waltzing Matilda?"
>
>Thanks,
>Rocky

Boy, are you ever going to get flamed for this one! It's Australia's
most famous tune - far more well-known than our pathetic excuse for
a national anthem! The words to the first verse are
Once a jolly swagman sat by a billabong
Under the shade of a coolabah tree
And he sang as he watched and waited for his billy boil,
Who'll come a-waltzing matilda with me?

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G'Day,

I thought it was about time somebody from Australia contributed to this
discussion. Here is the authoritative information (well maybe :-))

In reference to Waltzing Maltida, the Maltida is the swag, or pack, that the
swaggie carries. The swag is the rolled up bedding and posessions of the
swaggie. The swag is carried across the shoulders; there is no stick!

The song was written by A.B. 'Banjo' Patterson, one of Australia's most famous
authors of poems and stories. There is some dispute, however, as to how much
of the song was actually his. It has been interpreted as a commentary on the
Shearers' Strike of the late 1800's. The song refers to the antagonism between
the shearers and the authorities.

Incidentally, the first line should be:

Once a jolly swagman camped by a billabong...
^^^^^^

P.S. Full lyrics available on request.
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David M Tate

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In article <1991Mar4....@grape.ecs.clarkson.edu> mill...@clutx.clarkson.edu writes:
>
> I believe that "Waltzing Matilda" is the Australian national anthem.
>Has a nice beat.

Nope, not the national anthem, though "national song" would probably be an
accurate description. The Powers That Be couldn't quite handle the thought
of a national anthem about a hobo who steals sheep...

The song is inextricably linked to the Australian national consciousness
(whatever that is), and references to it crop up in many other songs, as
well as Australian literature. Non-Aussies who think of it as a cute folk
tune along the lines of the American "My Darling Clementine" are way off the
mark.

(Apologies in advance to Our Friends Down Under for any inaccuracies here...)

(A simple "Strewth, Mite, too right!" will suffice...)

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Bill King

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Waltzing Matilda? Isn't that also a Pogues song on the album "Rum,Sodomy
and the Lash?" I think so....
Bill

Neal Miller,,,

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From article <12675.2...@ecs.umass.edu>, by gio...@ecs.umass.edu:

> Hi,
> I was wondering if anyone's ever heard of a piece called "waltzing
> Matilda." There are references made to it in the TV show "Twin Peaks," but
> I was wondering if it's part of the real world. Also, if any of you are
> Twin Peaks viewers, could the record being played while Donna and Leland
> danced and when Madeline dies be "waltzing Matilda?"

I believe that "Waltzing Matilda" is the Australian national anthem.
Has a nice beat.


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Stephen Smoliar

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In article <1991Mar4.1...@nntp-server.caltech.edu> h...@surya.UUCP

(Helen Johnston) writes:
>In article <12675.2...@ecs.umass.edu> gio...@ecs.umass.edu writes:

>> I was wondering if anyone's ever heard of a piece called "waltzing
>>Matilda." There are references made to it in the TV show "Twin Peaks," but
>>I was wondering if it's part of the real world. Also, if any of you are
>>Twin Peaks viewers, could the record being played while Donna and Leland
>>danced and when Madeline dies be "waltzing Matilda?"
>

>Boy, are you ever going to get flamed for this one! It's Australia's
>most famous tune - far more well-known than our pathetic excuse for
>a national anthem!

Hopefully, someone from Oz can resolve this; but is not "Waltzing Matilda"
the name of the stick to which the "jolly swagman" ties all his worldly goods?
As far as TWIN PEAKS goes, I know I am missing a lot (like episodes every
Saturday night these days); but where were all those references. Leland
was into swing (and Bob is not a music-lover).
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Nur Iskandar Taib

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>Hopefully, someone from Oz can resolve this; but is not "Waltzing Matilda"
>the name of the stick to which the "jolly swagman" ties all his worldly goods?

I THINK the phrase to "go Waltzing Matilda" means to
go roaming around the outback (whatever the outback
is...)..


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Tim Thornton

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In the song, "And The Band Played Waltzing Matilda," the Pogues refer to the
inappropriate playing of "Waltzing Matilda" in celebration/honor of war
veterans, esp. those missing legs (different songs). Tim

Cisco's Buddy

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In article <12675.2...@ecs.umass.edu>, gio...@ecs.umass.edu writes...

} I was wondering if anyone's ever heard of a piece called "waltzing
} Matilda."

Only about half the world has heard of it (you must belong to the other
half :-)).

} There are references made to it in the TV show "Twin Peaks," [...]

Really? I don't recall any...

} Also, if any of you are Twin Peaks viewers, could the record being
} played while Donna and Leland danced and when Madeline dies be
} "waltzing Matilda?"

No, it couldn't. I don't recall what it was, but it definitely was *not*
"Waltzing Matilda".

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Liron Lightwood

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From article <16...@venera.isi.edu>, by smo...@isi.edu (Stephen Smoliar):

> In article <1991Mar4.1...@nntp-server.caltech.edu> h...@surya.UUCP
> (Helen Johnston) writes:
>>
>>Boy, are you ever going to get flamed for this one! It's Australia's
>>most famous tune - far more well-known than our pathetic excuse for
>>a national anthem!
>
That's exactly right. In fact, round these parts, it's far more well-known
than our own national anthem.

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Stephen P. Guthrie

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>
>Hopefully, someone from Oz can resolve this; but is not "Waltzing Matilda"
>the name of the stick to which the "jolly swagman" ties all his worldly goods?
>As far as TWIN PEAKS goes, I know I am missing a lot (like episodes every
>Saturday night these days); but where were all those references. Leland
>was into swing (and Bob is not a music-lover).
>--

I also do not remember hearing anything about Waltzing Matilda in Twin
Peaks, however I don't agree that Bob is not a music-lover. I think it
was Bob who liked all that old music, rather than Leland himself. The
era of that stuff Leland listened to is probably that of when Bob was
alive, before he became an owl. Remember the record player playing when
Bob/Leland was preparing to do Maddie in, also Bob/Leland singing in the
car when he had Maddie in the trunk, etc, etc.

btw, I think you may be wrong about it meaning the stick. I believe the
actual act of going of into the bush and doing whatever it is that swagmen
do there is called going Waltzing Matilda. Actually the stick is Matilda
and when you go out with the stick you are doing the waltzing. I didn't
post this earlier because I'm Australian myself, and a bit embarassed
about not remembering the exact meaning.

Neal Miller,,,

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From article <16...@venera.isi.edu>, by smo...@isi.edu (Stephen Smoliar):
> In article <1991Mar4.1...@nntp-server.caltech.edu> h...@surya.UUCP
> (Helen Johnston) writes:
>>In article <12675.2...@ecs.umass.edu> gio...@ecs.umass.edu writes:
>
>>> I was wondering if anyone's ever heard of a piece called "waltzing
>>>Matilda." There are references made to it in the TV show "Twin Peaks," but
>>>I was wondering if it's part of the real world. Also, if any of you are
>>>Twin Peaks viewers, could the record being played while Donna and Leland
>>>danced and when Madeline dies be "waltzing Matilda?"
>>
>>Boy, are you ever going to get flamed for this one! It's Australia's
>>most famous tune - far more well-known than our pathetic excuse for
>>a national anthem!

(Sorry, I couldn't find the previous reference...)

I've talked to a lot of people, and the vast majority of them would
seem to favor the prospect of changing our (U.S.) national anthem to "Louie,
Louie". I think it more accurately portrays contemporary American culture,
plus it doesn't have references to bombs and rockets. It'd be a sure hit at
the Olympics!

Cisco's Buddy

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In article <38...@netnews.upenn.edu> wk...@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Bill King) writes:

}} Waltzing Matilda? Isn't that also a Pogues song on the album "Rum,Sodomy
}} and the Lash?" I think so....

Nope, that's "And the Band Played 'Waltzing Matilda'", which is a song
written by Eric Bogle about the Battle of Gallipoli during WWI.

In article <1991Mar5.0...@ucselx.sdsu.edu>, maxc...@ucselx.sdsu.edu (Tim Thornton) writes...

} In the song, "And The Band Played Waltzing Matilda," the Pogues refer to
} the inappropriate playing of "Waltzing Matilda" in celebration/honor of
} war veterans, esp. those missing legs (different songs).

I think you're misreading the song. There's nothing in the song that
suggests that "Waltzing Matilda" is being inappropriately used in those
instances. *Ironically*, yes; inappropriately, no.

In fact, a stanza from "Waltzing Matilda" is quoted at the end of the song,
and one of the lines is *very* appropriate:

"And their ghosts may be heard,
As they march by the billibong"

"Waltzing Matilda" is *not* a very upbeat song.

Norm Carpenter

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> I was wondering if anyone's ever heard of a piece called "waltzing
> Matilda." There are references made to it in the TV show "Twin Peaks," but
> I was wondering if it's part of the real world. Also, if any of you are
> Twin Peaks viewers, could the record being played while Donna and Leland
> danced and when Madeline dies be "waltzing Matilda?"
>

Don't know about national anthems or swagmen or walking sticks, but I
do know that Waltzing Matilda is that unusual dance one does when hanging
by the neck from a rope. Think about it. Swagman steals jumbuck, gets
caught, is going Waltzing Matilda. Makes sense to me.

For thos of you rabid flamers, don't ask me to demonstrate.

Norm

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Pete Young

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From article <1991Mar4.1...@nntp-server.caltech.edu>, by h...@surya.caltech.edu (Helen Johnston):

> Boy, are you ever going to get flamed for this one! It's Australia's
> most famous tune - far more well-known than our pathetic excuse for
> a national anthem! The words to the first verse are

There's a lovely spoof version of this translated into 'English', called
Walking A Bulldog.

Once a jolly vagabond camped by a lillypond
under the shade of an old oak tree
and he sang as he watched and waited till his kettle boiled
who'll come a walking a bulldog with me.

Along came a hedgehog to drink at the lillypond
Up jumped the vagabond and grabbed him with glee
He shoved the little hedgehog into his great big picnic-hamper
you'll come a walking etc.

Along came a constable on a big red bicycle
up came the gamekeepers one,two,three,
Where's that little hedgehog that you've got in your picnic hamper
You'll come a walking etc.

Up jumped the vagabond and leapt into the lillypond
etc (same as the original)

Some artistic license is required to fit all the words in !

Pete

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Friendless

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In <99...@unix.cis.pitt.edu> dt...@unix.cis.pitt.edu (David M Tate) writes:
>Nope, not the national anthem, though "national song" would probably be an
>accurate description. The Powers That Be couldn't quite handle the thought
>of a national anthem about a hobo who steals sheep...

It's not even the national song. I think the anthem is "God Save the Queen"
and the national song is "Advance Australia Fair". "Waltzing Matilda" is most
definitely not the song that Leland listened to the night after Laura died,
and I have seen the first 5 hours of Twin Peaks and it has absolutely
certainly not appeared there at all ever. If it does I'll let you know.


Friendless, an Aussie.

James McGowan

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In article <1991Mar4.1...@nntp-server.caltech.edu> h...@surya.caltech.edu (Helen Johnston) writes:
>
>Boy, are you ever going to get flamed for this one! It's Australia's
>most famous tune - far more well-known than our pathetic excuse for
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

You mean it's not "Tie Me Kangaroo Down"? Gosh! Don't I feel silly!

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aldridge andrea

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I bow to the Aussies who have already answered Rocky's question, but I may be
able to add a little bit more. Andrew Barton (A.B.,"Banjo" after a
favorite horse of his) Paterson was my grandfather's commanding
officer in the Light Horse in World War I. (Pa told a story once of
when German fighters flew overhead while they were digging trenches
[yes, even the Light Horse dug trenches], and Paterson had them hold
their shovels flat over their heads as bullet shields.)

"Advance, Australia Fair" is the actual Australian National Anthem--a
fine song in its own right and much underrated.

I've heard two different tunes to "Waltzing Matilda;" the lesser-known
one I have seen ascribed in print to Paterson himself; I will NOT
attempt to reproduce either here.

Approximate words and simplified definitions:

Once a jolly SWAGMAN camped by a BILLABONG foot traveler waterhole


Under the shade of a coolabah tree

And he sang as he watched and billycan--container for
waited while his BILLY boiled boiling yer tea
"You'll come a watlzing MATILDA with me" traveleer's bedroll

Refrain: WALTZING MATILDA, Waltzing Matilda traveling hobo-style
You'll come a-waltzing matilda with me
And he sang as he watched and (third line of last
waited while his billy boiled verse here always)
"You'll come a-waltzing matilda with me"

Up came a JUMBUCK to drink at the billabong sheep
Up jumped the swagman and grabbed him with glee
And he sang as he stuffed that (very small sheep)
jumbuck in his TUCKER BAG satchel for food
"You'll come a-waltzing matilda with me"

Up came the SQUATTER, mounted on his thoroughbred local landowner
Up came the TROOPERS, one, two, three local lawmen
"Where's that jolly jumbuck
you've got in your tucker bag?
You'll come a-waltzing matilda with me!"

Up jumped the swagman and leapt into the billabong
"You'll never catch me alive!" said he
And his ghost may be heard as you
ride beside the billabong--
"You'll come a-waltzing matilda with me..."

During most of his life, Paterson was a war correspondent and
newspaper writer, as well as poet laureate of the bush (my term, no
one else's). The BUSH may refer to the outback, that great,
only-partially-untrammeled wilderness of sand and scrub inland from
the fertile coastal regions of Australia, or, more likely, to the
so-called "uncivilized" forests and mountains of said regions.
Paterson also wrote "The Man From Snowy River," of two-movie fame, and
hundreds of other poems. His correspondence and writings have been
collected in a massive two-volume book set titled "Singer of the Bush"
and "Song of the Pen," printed in Australia. WORTH getting if you
have any Aussie contacts. About fifty dollars American, I think.
Hope this has been of some use and/or interest.
Ta--

Andrea Aldridge



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In article <12675.2...@ecs.umass.edu>, gio...@ecs.umass.edu writes:
> Hi,
> I was wondering if anyone's ever heard of a piece called "waltzing
> Matilda." There are references made to it in the TV show "Twin Peaks," but
> I was wondering if it's part of the real world. Also, if any of you are
> Twin Peaks viewers, could the record being played while Donna and Leland
> danced and when Madeline dies be "waltzing Matilda?"
>
> Thanks,
> Rocky

Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha.

Australia / Twin Peaks, what's the difference anyway ?

I like it.
But will Laura come a waltzing Matilda with you ?
Probably not, unless Mr. Lynch has one hell of a big trick up his
sleeve. Either way, I'd stay out of Twin Peaks and the Australian
dept. of tourism until the heat cools down.

Graham.

Dani Zweig

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<I whistle the tune>
That's the tune of Waltzing Matilda. Is that the one you meant?

Hugh Williams

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In article <12675.2...@ecs.umass.edu> gio...@ecs.umass.edu writes:
>Hi,
> I was wondering if anyone's ever heard of a piece called "waltzing
>Matilda." ...

>Rocky

Once a jolly swagman sat by a billabong

Under the shade of a coolabah tree

And he sang as he watched and waited for his billy boil,

Who'll come a-waltzing matilda with me?

In case the lyrics are a bit confusing, it's about a poacher who waits
at a drinking hole, captures game illegally, and is subsequently shot by
the game wardens... Great song to sing to your kids, though, content aside.

hugh williams
hu...@hpnmdla.hp.com

Friendless

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In <16...@venera.isi.edu> smo...@isi.edu (Stephen Smoliar) writes:
>Hopefully, someone from Oz can resolve this; but is not "Waltzing Matilda"
>the name of the stick to which the "jolly swagman" ties all his worldly goods?
>As far as TWIN PEAKS goes, I know I am missing a lot (like episodes every
>Saturday night these days); but where were all those references. Leland
>was into swing (and Bob is not a music-lover).

Oh gee, and what was the name of Paul Revere's horse. I think the matilda
was the swag he carried on his back, in fact my dictionary says it is. It also
says the expression "to waltz matilda" means to wander about as a tramp with a
swag. Here are the words:

Once a jolly swagman camped by a billabong


Under the shade of a coolabah tree

And he sang as he watched and waited till his billy boiled
"You'll come a'waltzing matilda with me"

Chorus:
Waltzing matilda, waltzing matilda,
You'll come a waltzing matilda
And he sang as he watched and waited till his billy boiled
"You'll come a'waltzing matilda with me"

Down came a jumbuck to drink at that billabong


Up jumped the swagman and grabbed him with glee

And sang as he shoved that jumbuck in his tucker bag
"You'll come a'waltzing matilda with me"

Chorus

Down came the squatter mounted on his thoroughbred
Down came the troopers One! Two! Three!
They said "where's that jolly jumbuck you've got in your tucker bag?"
"Oh you'll come a'waltzing matilda with me"

Chorus

Up jumped the swagman and jumped into the billabong
"You'll never take me alive" said he
And his ghost may be heard as you pass by that billabong
"You'll come a Waltzing Matilda with me"

Chorus to end.


Note that the last two lines of each chorus are the last two lines of the
preceding verse. Now for some translations:

Swag: bag of stuff that a swagman/tramp carries.

Billabong: a lake, in particular one formed at the bend of a river when the
course of the river changes. Say the river goes round a loop, then changes
course to short-circuit the loop. The water which remains in the loop is a
billabong.

Coolabah Tree: I dunno, just some sort of tree. The dictionary says "A species
of eucalyptus, eucalyptus microtheca, and usually associated with areas
subject to occasional inundation." Has been taken as the names of various
"cool and shady" products, for example Coolabah cask wine.

Billy: Tin pot with a handle used for boiling water over a camp fire.

Jumbuck: a sheep or lamb

Tucker: food

Squatter: land-owner. Say last century or so, it was easier to just go and
build a farm somewhere without bothering to purchase the land from the crown.
I don't know whether it was cheaper or quicker or both. Eventually the govt
decided all those who were illegally "squatting" on the land could have it
anyway, and thus the squatters became land-owners, and usually very rich.

Trooper: policemen. At this time, undisciplined and violent, used to go
around shooting blacks and swagmen and drinking lots of rum. Still do.


Friendless

gio...@ecs.umass.edu

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> I also do not remember hearing anything about Waltzing Matilda in Twin
> Peaks, however I don't agree that Bob is not a music-lover. I think it
> was Bob who liked all that old music, rather than Leland himself.

I don't agree that BOB is not a music-lover either but I also have to point
out that Waltzing Matilda, from the responses I've received, sounds
just like the kind of song BOB might sing-- i.e. remember the
"does eat oats and little lambs eat ivy..." bit?

To clarify the reference to Waltzing Matilda made in Twin Peaks in the
first place: In the secret diary, Laura talks about a dream of
dancing with her mom to Waltzing Matilda, except the only thing is that
her mom is speaking with BOB's voice. Because of this, I thought that
if the "Maddy dies" music and the "dancing with Donna" music were
actually Waltzing Matilda, then maybe this reference in the diary
might have been some kind of foreshadowing.

Anyway, thanks for all of the info.
Rocky

DoN Nichols

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In article <16...@venera.isi.edu> smo...@venera.isi.edu (Stephen Smoliar) writes:
>In article <1991Mar4.1...@nntp-server.caltech.edu> h...@surya.UUCP
>(Helen Johnston) writes:
>>In article <12675.2...@ecs.umass.edu> gio...@ecs.umass.edu writes:
>
>>> I was wondering if anyone's ever heard of a piece called "waltzing
>>>Matilda." There are references made to it in the TV show "Twin Peaks," but

[ ... ]

>
>Hopefully, someone from Oz can resolve this; but is not "Waltzing Matilda"
>the name of the stick to which the "jolly swagman" ties all his worldly goods?

Well, not quite. I'm not from Australia, but I believe that the
swagman, unlike the hobo, did not hang his worldly goods from a stick over
his shoulder (a "bindlestiff, I think"), but rather, rolled up his goods in
his bedroll, which was rolled around the long axis, with other goods
inside. The ends were then tied shut with the two ends of a line (rope,
whatever) producing something which looks like a fat bow, with a loose
bowstring. The swagman then proceeded to put his head, and one arm, through
the loop of rope, with the swag (bedroll), laying diagonally across his
back. Because of its length, and mass, it imparted a gait which resembled
waltzing, at least if your brain had been sufficiently baked in the outback.
:-) From the waltzing image, came the woman's name affectionately given to
the swag (bedroll).

Well, now I'll return you to your regularly scheduled flamefest :-)

DoN.

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One thing that I forgot to mention before, concerning both "Waltzing
Matilda" and "And the Band Played 'Waltzing Matilda'".

I first heard the Bogle song as done by Priscilla Herdman. Years later,
after Herdman had married and been to Australia for her honeymoon, at
another concert of hers, she performed not only the Bogle song, but
did the original "Waltzing Matilda", but with a completely different
melody and rhythm. It was rather bizarre after being used to the more
traditional version, but it was also very striking. I wish to hell I
could remember how it went...

houston dunleavy

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Mar 6, 1991, 2:50:06 PM3/6/91
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OK, so not too many other Aussies get offended, here is an attempt
at a definitive answer to this question.
"Waltzing Matilda" is our national song, NOT our National Anthem, that
honor goes to "Advance Australia Fair." The words originally penned by A. B.
"Banjo" Patterson whose work was also the inspiration for the film, "The Man
from Snowy River".
A Matilda (or swag) is a bundle wrapped up and carried by a swagman
as he wanders aroung, usually looking for work, but not always. Carrying the
swag around the country was referred to as waltzing the Matilda, or, more
colorfully to Americans I guess, humping the bluey. I suppose the song would
not have become as famous with a title like "Humping the Bluey", but who knows?
The copyright for the song is owned by Allans' Ltd.
The song tells the story of a swagman, camped by a spring, about to
brew up tea when he spies a stray sheep, which he pops into his bag, although
not quickly enough to escape the notice of the local squatter, the man whose
land he is presumably on and whose sheep he has just stolen. Before the
squatter and the local constabulary can catch him however, he jumps into the
spring and is drowned, leaving only his ghost to haunt the place.
Peace and understanding,
Houston Dunleavy.

Andy Mechtenberg

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Mar 6, 1991, 4:29:58 PM3/6/91
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> In rec.music.misc, wk...@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Bill King) writes:

> Waltzing Matilda? Isn't that also a Pogues song on the album "Rum,Sodomy
> and the Lash?" I think so....

> Bill


No, the song is by Eric Bogle, and it's called "The Band Played Waltzing
Matilda." Made more well know by Nebraskan senator Bob Kerry singing it
to a class at the University of California Santa Barbara.

Henry Troup

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Mar 7, 1991, 7:47:46 PM3/7/91
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In article <1991Mar4.1...@nntp-server.caltech.edu>,
h...@surya.caltech.edu (Helen Johnston) writes:

|> Once a jolly swagman sat by a billabong


|> Under the shade of a coolabah tree

|> And he sang as he watched and waited for his billy boil,
|> Who'll come a-waltzing matilda with me?

Which roughly translated into ''standard english'' means something like:

Once a jolly rogue sat by a pond
under the shade of a coolabah tree
and he sang as he watch and waited for his tea to boil
who will come hiking with me

'waltzing matilda' is a reference to the peculiar bounce of a bed roll
off your rump, so I am told.

I'm gonna get flamed right off the net by 5,000,000 Australians, I just know it

Henry Troup - H...@BNR.CA (Canada) - BNR owns but does not share my opinions
"If you have taken a vow of perpetual poverty, you must take your deduction
on line 256" - 1990 Canadian Tax Guide

Liron Lightwood

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Mar 7, 1991, 7:46:49 PM3/7/91
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From article <20...@shlump.nac.dec.com>, by boya...@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy):

>
> I first heard the Bogle song as done by Priscilla Herdman. Years later,
> after Herdman had married and been to Australia for her honeymoon, at
> another concert of hers, she performed not only the Bogle song, but
> did the original "Waltzing Matilda", but with a completely different
> melody and rhythm. It was rather bizarre after being used to the more
> traditional version, but it was also very striking. I wish to hell I
> could remember how it went...
>
There is another tune for Waltzing Matilda which sounds like a
traditional Australian bush song (which sounds alot like an Irish jig so
I am told). In this version, the chorus is also different from the more
well-known version.

The first two lines in the more well-known version are:

Waltzing Matilea. Waltzing Matilda.
You come and waltzing matilda with me.

whereas the first two lines in the other version are:

Waltzing Matilda, Matilda, my darling
You come and Waltzing matilda with me.

Does this ring any bells? Is this the Waltzing Matilda you're talking about?

Lois Lew

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Mar 5, 1991, 8:49:42 AM3/5/91
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I believe that it was Eric Bogle (an Australian folk singer) who wrote
"And the Band Played Waltzing Matilda" Am I wrong?

-Lois
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Douglas Kurtze

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Mar 8, 1991, 4:45:08 PM3/8/91
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The Friends have an album out on the Fogarty's Cove label.
Don't know for sure if it's still in print, but it does appear
in the most recent Alcazar catalogue that I have.


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Physics, North Dakota State

"Patience is its own reward" -- Flann O'Brien

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Phil Scott

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Mar 11, 1991, 12:01:30 AM3/11/91
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While we're on the subject of Waltzing Matilda, can anyone tell
me what Tom Waits was talking about when he used the expression in
that song (can't remember the title - was it something to do
with "Martha"?) from one of his earliest LPs
(whose name I also can't remember..) I haven't heard it for many
years, but I recall thinking at the time that it was a new use of
the term.

Phil Scott (psc...@pandanus.ntu.edu.au)

Stephen Smoliar

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Mar 10, 1991, 8:16:54 PM3/10/91
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I think Andrea's summary line of "More than you ever wanted to know" was one of
the best examples of truth in advertising I have seen in some time.
Nevertheless, there is one minor embellishment which has caught on
among those who have spent any time in New York. In article
<1991Mar5.1...@unicorn.cc.wwu.edu> n904...@unicorn.cc.wwu.edu
(aldridge andrea) provides the following annotated couplet:

>
>Up came a JUMBUCK to drink at the billabong sheep
>Up jumped the swagman and grabbed him with glee

The New York version of the second line is:

Up jumped the swagman and KOCHED him with glee subdued through intense
exposure to a former New
York mayor

(Thoroughness is not without its risks! We may now return to the serious.)
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