The White Room by the KLF
Walter Dao
Today I picked up the CD "the white room" by the KLF. It is the US domestic
release.
One thing to say : they did some massive editing on the album ... They have
removed all the parts that said "MOTHER FUCKERS" (you know, like at the
beginning). What the hell is wrong with ARISTA ????
Anyway I am glad I picked up the "what time is love" single with the ORIGINAL
song .... Not that US version with the "It's time to dance gblgblgbl" ....
Walt
R o d Johnson
It says "It's time to dance"??? I thought it said "kick out the
jams!!"
When I was a lad growing up around Detroit, the Detroit/Ann Arbor rock
boom of the late 60s was on, and one of my favorite bands was the MC5.
When their first album came out we all rushed out and bought it, and
of course we loved the first cut, where John Sinclair (or maybe Rob
Tyner) makes this fiery speech about the revolution, and then the Five
come out and yell "Kick out the jams, motherfucker" and kick into the
song. A great rock and roll moment--and clearly the KLF agree.
Anyway, a single soon came out and got airplay on CKLW and WKNR, the
bastions of top 40 here, and we were bemused to find that they had
edited the song to say "Kick out the jams, brothers and sisters!" It
was still a great song, but not as cool. To be truly cool you had to
have the "motherfucker version".
Anyway, the point is that Arista has simply done the same thing. I
never would have thought it possible, 20-odd years later, that we'd
still wuss out over the f-word. Oh well.
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>wd...@girtab.usc.edu (Walter Dao) sez:
>It says "It's time to dance"??? I thought it said "kick out the
>jams!!"
>
>When I was a lad growing up around Detroit, the Detroit/Ann Arbor rock
>boom of the late 60s was on, and one of my favorite bands was the MC5.
>When their first album came out we all rushed out and bought it, and
>of course we loved the first cut, where John Sinclair (or maybe Rob
>Tyner) makes this fiery speech about the revolution, and then the Five
>come out and yell "Kick out the jams, motherfucker" and kick into the
>song. A great rock and roll moment--and clearly the KLF agree.
>Anyway, a single soon came out and got airplay on CKLW and WKNR, the
>bastions of top 40 here, and we were bemused to find that they had
>edited the song to say "Kick out the jams, brothers and sisters!" It
>was still a great song, but not as cool. To be truly cool you had to
>have the "motherfucker version".
>
>Anyway, the point is that Arista has simply done the same thing. I
>never would have thought it possible, 20-odd years later, that we'd
>still wuss out over the f-word. Oh well.
Just out of curiosity, Rod, have you heard "Kick Out the Jams", the
first song on Side 2 of the "Pump the Volume" soundtrack? The song starts
off with a squealing guitar solo, and then someone suddenly shouts, "Kick
out the jams, motherfucker!" and then the song begins. It says the
song is by Bad Brains with Henry Rollins. Then on the inner credits, it
says "Henry Rollins Appears Courtesy of 2-13-61". So, due to this, I
figure Bad Brains probably sampled this from the very album you're talking
about and that it is indeed he and not John Sinclair or Rob Tyner. Just
thought you might be interested! :)
Lazlo Nibble
[About the MC5 "Kick out the jams, motherfuckers!" sample on the Stadium
House remix of "What Time Is Love?"]
> When I was a lad growing up around Detroit, the Detroit/Ann Arbor rock
> boom of the late 60s was on, and one of my favorite bands was the MC5.
> When their first album came out we all rushed out and bought it, and of
> course we loved the first cut, where John Sinclair (or maybe Rob Tyner)
> makes this fiery speech about the revolution, and then the Five come out
> and yell "Kick out the jams, motherfucker" and kick into the song. A
> great rock and roll moment--and clearly the KLF agree.
I wouldn't be so sure that The KLF care much about the MC5. They probably
used the sample 'cause they used to be called the Justified Ancients Of Mu
Mu -- The JAMS for short.
[The line was edited out of the single version of the MC5 track, and the
sample is edited out of the US version of the WHITE ROOM album.]
> Anyway, the point is that Arista has simply done the same thing. I
> never would have thought it possible, 20-odd years later, that we'd
> still wuss out over the f-word. Oh well.
More likely Arista wussed out over getting sued by whoever owns the rights
to the MC5 track (as well as by U2, whose RATTLE AND HUM crowd noise is
all over the A-side of the UK version of THE WHITE ROOM, but completely
gone in the US).
--
Lazlo (la...@triton.unm.edu)
"I used to think some was better than none; I'm not so sure
of that, anymore." -- Jess Anderson
R o d Johnson
(responding to me on the MC5 and the KLF/JAMs)
> Just out of curiosity, Rod, have you heard "Kick Out the Jams", the
>first song on Side 2 of the "Pump the Volume" soundtrack? The song starts
>off with a squealing guitar solo, and then someone suddenly shouts, "Kick
>out the jams, motherfucker!" and then the song begins. It says the
>song is by Bad Brains with Henry Rollins. Then on the inner credits, it
>says "Henry Rollins Appears Courtesy of 2-13-61".
I've heard about this, but never heard it. I assume 2-13-61 is
Henry's birthday.
>So, due to this, I
>figure Bad Brains probably sampled this from the very album you're talking
>about
Undoubtedly. This is one of your seminal rock'n'roll bands we're
talking about here. The opening of the original "Kick Out The Jams"
is not to be missed. The album is badly recorded and the band is
sloppy and out of tune, but it's still a great piece of rock. The
Five never translated well to record, alas; their second album ("Back
in the USA"), and they really only got it right on their third and
last, "High Time", which is indispensible in my opinion.
>and that it is indeed he and not John Sinclair or Rob Tyner. Just
>thought you might be interested! :)
Nah. I think Henry would have been about 8 at the time, still
scootin' around SoCal on his banana-seat, butterfly-handlebars bike,
mowing lawns and trading baseball cards. Rock'n'roll speechifyin' was
still a few years off for our hero. :) I'm pretty sure that it was
John Sinclair, of the White Panther Party, "Free John Sinclair" (John
Lennon) and other bits of rock'n'roll marginalia. The Five were one
of the original fist-waving revolutionary rock bands, and a big
influence on the punks of half a decade later. Indeed, one of them
went on to play with (and marry) Patti Smith, and another played with
Johnny Thunders. Unquestionably an influence on the hardcore scene
Henry Rollins came out of.
Adam Weitzman
>[The line was edited out of the single version of the MC5 track, and the
> sample is edited out of the US version of the WHITE ROOM album.]
>
>> Anyway, the point is that Arista has simply done the same thing. I
>> never would have thought it possible, 20-odd years later, that we'd
>> still wuss out over the f-word. Oh well.
>
>More likely Arista wussed out over getting sued by whoever owns the rights
>to the MC5 track (as well as by U2, whose RATTLE AND HUM crowd noise is
>all over the A-side of the UK version of THE WHITE ROOM, but completely
>gone in the US).
OK, here's a really moronic question: If they can release it in the UK
without getitng sued, why can't they release it in the US without getting
sued? Does that make sense? Is it legal to do this in the UK, but not in
the US? Surely U2's lawyers reside closer to the UK than the US? What's the
deal?
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|>
|> Nah. I think Henry would have been about 8 at the time, still
|> scootin' around SoCal on his banana-seat, butterfly-handlebars bike,
|> mowing lawns and trading baseball cards. Rock'n'roll speechifyin' was
|> still a few years off for our hero. :)
|> Unquestionably an influence on the hardcore scene Henry Rollins came out of.
NO NO NO! I can tell you from personal experience that henry is a DC homeboy
and didn't move out to LA until he joined Black Flag in 1981. His bike got
stolen, he was a skater, (I saw him jump 2 MG midgets in our school parking
lot.) He lived In DC not in the suburbs. He didn't do baseball cards, but
I don't think he was into snakes yet. I also personally saw him get bit by
a cottonmouth in 9th grade english class (for show and tell).
Lazlo Nibble
[About Arista's editing-out of sampled crowd noise (and other things) on the
US release of THE WHITE ROOM:]
> OK, here's a really moronic question: If they can release it in the UK
> without getting sued, why can't they release it in the US without
> getting sued? Does that make sense? Is it legal to do this in the UK,
> but not in the US? Surely U2's lawyers reside closer to the UK than the
> US? What's the deal?
I don't think they're in any particular legal danger on *either* side of
the Atlantic, but Arista are just generally gutless. The band were
willing to take the risk (yeah, right, U2 are gonna claim a performance
copyright on the crowd noise at their concerts) when THE WHITE ROOM was
on their own label, and Ari wussed out.
There's precedent: Sigue Sigue Sputnik's "Love Missile F1-11" 12" mixes
were reedited for the US release. The UK 12" uses "real" samples from
BLADERUNNER, et.al., while the US 12" has rerecorded versions that aren't
actually taken from the movie. (I've always wondered if the UK *album*
had the original samples as well; I know the US version has the redone
versions. Anyone in the UK willing to admit they know enough about Sigue
Sigue Sputnik to say either way? :-)
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Lazlo (la...@triton.unm.edu)
Lunch is difficult to choke down when Mr. Rampling decides to show off
his collection of petrified shark cheese.
Ray Shea
> sample is edited out of the US version of the WHITE ROOM album.]
Now wait a minute, are you sure this isn't just another JAMS-type joke,
that only the people who know the MC5 are going to get? Edit the
motherfuckers out for the US release. Fucking hilarious. They should've
covered it up with "brothers and sisters".
--
Ray Shea "A passionate commitment to social justice
is no substitute for knowing what the
hell you're talking about."
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Ray Shea
>Then on the inner credits, it
>says "Henry Rollins Appears Courtesy of 2-13-61". So, due to this, I
>figure Bad Brains probably sampled this from the very album you're talking
>about and that it is indeed he and not John Sinclair or Rob Tyner. Just
>thought you might be interested! :)
Henry Rollins was just a little 7-year-old brat when "Kick Out The Jams"
was recorded (2-13-61 is his birthday, I think). He definitely wasn't
in the MC5. He's also not in the Bad Brains, though I'm not surprised
they collaborated on the soundtrack (haven't heard it myself).
Mason Jones
No, no, no. The song on the soundtrack is a cover of the original
tune, by Bad Brains with Henry Rollins. The "Courtesy of 2-13-61"
is the usual thanks to the label that the artist has a contract with.
In this case, 2-13-61 is the name of Rollins' company. All the Rollins
books have been published by 2-13-61. It's his birthday, by the way.
Also -- Bad Brains do not sample.
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> >In article <94...@vela.acs.oakland.edu>, rjoh...@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d
> >>wd...@girtab.usc.edu (Walter Dao) sez:
> >
> > Just out of curiosity, Rod, have you heard "Kick Out the Jams", the
> >first song on Side 2 of the "Pump the Volume" soundtrack? The song starts
> >off with a squealing guitar solo, and then someone suddenly shouts, "Kick
> >out the jams, motherfucker!" and then the song begins. It says the
> >song is by Bad Brains with Henry Rollins. Then on the inner credits, it
> >says "Henry Rollins Appears Courtesy of 2-13-61". So, due to this, I
> >figure Bad Brains probably sampled this from the very album you're talking
> >about and that it is indeed he and not John Sinclair or Rob Tyner. Just
> >thought you might be interested! :)
>
> No, no, no. The song on the soundtrack is a cover of the original
> tune, by Bad Brains with Henry Rollins. The "Courtesy of 2-13-61"
> is the usual thanks to the label that the artist has a contract with.
> In this case, 2-13-61 is the name of Rollins' company. All the Rollins
> books have been published by 2-13-61. It's his birthday, by the way.
> Also -- Bad Brains do not sample.
>
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>
> Mason Jones, H&A Computer Services, San Francisco, CA (415) 434-3517
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No No No...The song is origionally by the MC5....that is where the KLF
sample comes from. It's on the MC5's debut album "Kick Out The Jams",
which, by the way, was edited to say "Kick out the jam's brothers and
sisters" on the second and third releases of the album. Bad Brains
covered this song, as did ROllins. This is a really classic revolutionary
heavy metal anthemic thing from the early seventies. Lots of people have
never heard of the MC5, but they were fairly successful in their native
Detroit from about 1968-1973 when they broke up. Rob Tyner, one of their
guitarists, played with Was(Not Was) in 1983....
With that lengthy little blurb, back to you all...