Any help would be greatly appreciated.
--tony
--Tony Olejnik
University of Pennsylvania
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Suite 221A
Tony,
As far as I know, Jon Anderson has only done one project with
Tangerine Dream: vocals on the "Loved by the Sun" track from the
"Legend" soundtrack back in 1986. He does a respectable job on
this song and it is a much better track than the Bryan Ferry song,
"Is Your Love Strong Enough" (useless track if you ask me).
Jon Anderson is credited with co-composing the track along with
Edgar Froese, Johannes Schmoelling, and Chris Franke (of
Tangerine Dream, at that time). I also have read that Tangerine
Dream actually composed the track, but that Jon Anderson somehow
received a writing credit. Probably record company/movie producer
politics, or maybe Jon did a verse or two. I don't have any hard
facts from the group so I can't be sure on this.
That's it...
>--Tony Olejnik
> University of Pennsylvania
> Data Communications and Computing Services
> Suite 221A
Enjoy,
Alan
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As far as I know, the only RELEASED project/song was the song "Loved By The
Sun" from the "Legend" soundtrack in 1986.
-Dave Datta
>We would like to know what project(s) did Jon Anderson work on
>with Tangerine Dream?
>--Tony Olejnik
As far as I know, Anderson has never worked with TD. Would that he had...
To my knowledge only one TD ablum has vocals - Cyclone (?) - and having heard
it, in my opinion it's the worst thing they ever did...
Anderson has done quite a lot of stuff with Vangelis (Short Stories, The
Friends of Mr Cairo, and Private Collection) as Jon & Vangelis; and he guested
on Vangelis' albums Heaven and Hell and See You Later. He's produced three
solo albums, only the first of which is worth listening to, in my opinion, (but
you need long hair and a tie-dye t-shirt), and the big V instrumentalised on
that too.
Hope this helps. If I'm wrong and JA has sung with TD someone PLEASE TELL ME!!!
Geraint
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Well, he has some vocals on Tangerine's Legend soundtrack. This
doesn't imply that he actually *worked* with Tangerine, since his
vocals could have been overdubbed later. Certainly, Froese wasn't too
impressed with the result. I don't mind actually, since they fit
quite well; my main gripe with the Unicorn Theme is that, on the
soundtrack, it fades out just before the interesting part (which I
have in completeness on a bootleg).
>To my knowledge only one TD ablum has vocals - Cyclone (?) - and having heard
>it, in my opinion it's the worst thing they ever did...
There are spoken words on Exit, some vocal work on Le Parc, and the
vocals on Tyger. I'm rather fond of Tyger and really, really like Le
Parc, but I've yet to find another TD fan who likes it. TD themselves
don't.
I think Cyclone is good, but the vocals spoil it. Certainly, the
sequencer work and woodwind on Bent Cold Sidewalk is really good, but
if you're still furious about the singing you don't notice...
Jolliffe's solo work (I have 2 albums out of the 3) is worth
checking out. More for Dave Datta's Eclectic list...?
>Anderson has done quite a lot of stuff with Vangelis (Short Stories, The
>Friends of Mr Cairo, and Private Collection) as Jon & Vangelis; and he guested
>on Vangelis' albums Heaven and Hell and See You Later. He's produced three
>solo albums, only the first of which is worth listening to, in my opinion, (but
>you need long hair and a tie-dye t-shirt),
Olias, right?
>Hope this helps. If I'm wrong and JA has sung with TD someone PLEASE TELL ME!!!
Well, despite them rather than with them, but there you go...
>Geraint
Nick.
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>A friend and I recently had a discussion regarding Jon Anderson.
>We would like to know what project(s) did Jon Anderson work on
>with Tangerine Dream?
That would be the soundtrack to the movie "Legends". I think that's my
favorite Tangerine Dream albums, and one of my favorite Jon Anderson songs.
Two of my all-time faves, together on the same cut! Actually, from what
I've heard, Edgar Froese (from TD) wasn't very happy about that bit. I'm
not sure if they recorded the instrumental track and then Anderson did his
singing later, or if they all worked together, or how it came to pass, but
I think it's a gorgeous piece of music, and I wish they'd do more together.
If you look for the album, be careful, as there are two soundtracks for
"Legends". The first is by Jerry Goldsmith, and is from the European
release of the film. It was a huge success over there, but when they
released it in the US, they cut out twenty minutes or so, and hired
Tangerine Dream to do a new soundtrack. I've heard that Goldsmith's
version was very nice, but I haven't heard it. Also, the album is not
available on cd, and may never be, due to contractual problems (TD,
Jon Anderson, and Bryan Ferry [who also contributed a track] are all
contracted to different labels.)
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> A friend and I recently had a discussion regarding Jon Anderson.
> We would like to know what project(s) did Jon Anderson work on
> with Tangerine Dream?
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
From what I've heard, Anderson did not work on any projects with
Tangerine Dream. He sang on top of an already recorded piece
entitled 'Loved By The Sun' which can be found on the US release
of the Legend soundtrack (which is not available on cd yet).
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To my knowledge only one TD ablum has vocals - Cyclone (?) - and
Well, by now it's been said a few hundred times that Jon sang on the
TD track "Loved by the Sun" from Legend, and apparently they had a
spat over it or something (hey, to me it just sounds like TD music and
Jon lyrics, either of which is great by me....). But anyway, I know of
at least one other TD album with vocals: the monumental "Tyger", with
I forget who adding some incredible, strung-out female vocals to the
title track and I think one other.
solo albums, only the first of which is worth listening to, in my opinion, (but
you need long hair and a tie-dye t-shirt), and the big V instrumentalised on
that too.
I got the long hair, and my high school friends and I had hours and
hours of fun sitting in our (homemade!! because this was
pre-fake-hippies) tiedyes doing strange primal dances to most of
"Olias". Would that it were available on CD.... I can still hope.
I didn't know Vangelis played on that album.... I knew Jon used his
studio, and it sounded like him a lot, but there're no credits for him
on the album that I know of....
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(deleted stuff about Jon Anderson singing on Tangerine Dream's soundtrack
to "Legends", and about Anderson's first album "Olias of Sunhillow")
>I didn't know Vangelis played on that album.... I knew Jon used his
>studio, and it sounded like him a lot, but there're no credits for him
>on the album that I know of....
He didn't. Olias was a totally solo album, which means that Anderson played
all the parts. Vangelis is credited for help, but that was more
programming and arrangement help, not playing. If you listen carefully to
the album, all the parts are actually quite simple, but when you put them
all together, you get a very complex whole. I heard that at one point
he had something like 120 tracks or so - and that was before digital
technology.
I was lucky enough to see Yes perform some of Olias in concert. I think
it was the Relayer tour - no, it was after Relayer. All the group took
a while off to record solo albums, and Olias was Jon Anderson's effort.
(Moraz put out a wonderful one that has a non-translatable title - the
closest you can get is !). Anyway, they performed a bit of one of the
albums at each show, and this time was Anderson's turn. He played harp,
and I really don't recall what (if anything) anyone played. That was
before I had heard the album, though.
I agree - I'd love to get that album on cd. I've pretty much worn
out two copies - it's probably my favorite album, if I were forced to
pick just one.
Well, I have written to MCA Records about the "Legend" soundtrack
on CD... "There are no plans for a CD release." No explanation.
Nothing.
Now, I can't understand what contractual problems there would be
between Anderson, Ferry, and Tangerine Dream that would prevent a
CD release of the album. The soundrack is already out in the movie,
on LP, and cassette! What makes the CD format any different than
the cassette or LP versions? My opinion is that Goldsmith had a big
hand in preventing the CD from being released since his version of
the soundtrack was already out on CD. Besides, look at Risky Business.
It must have a knock-down fight to get this album on CD! I mean,
trying getting Prince, Bob Seger, Tangerine Dream, Muddy Waters, Jeff
Beck, Journey, and Phil Collins to agree to the CD rights must have
been a great accomplishment for someone in the legal department! ;-)
From what I've heard about the Goldsmith version is that it's a "dark,
murky-sounding piece." Part of the reason TD was asked to do the
North American/Japanese release of "Legend" was to make the soundtrack
more dynamic, upbeat, and appealing to the younger movie audience.
It worked on "Risky Business," so MCA thought it would work again.
Now, a final stab at MCA. Every MCA soundtrack that Tangerine Dream
has done will not (as far as I can tell) ever appear on CD! That includes
the classic movies: Sorceror and Firestarter. And, even worse, the
film, The Keep, never appear on VINYL at all. This is according to
the TD Fan Club and MCA Records. Well, I KNOW I saw it in a local
record store just a few days after the movie hit the theatres. I almost
bought it, but I decided to wait. I am STILL kicking myself for not
buying it... Had I only known...
Just a small nit to pick here. Jon Anderson has at least four solo albums
that I know of; Song of Seven- not too great but a couple of worthwhile
songs on it, I believe this was his first solo effort but it may have been
made after... Olias of Sunhillow- probably his best solo work (IMHO), I
assume this is the album you refer to above though I don't think you need
a tie-dye- it's not that far out. Also as far as I know, Vangelis didn't
play on either of these two albums. Animation was his first 80's work and
while I was disappointed at first, this album really grew on me- now I think
it's great, different, but great. He put out another album a couple years ago
called, I believe, Three Ships. I don't have this one but the one song I
heard from it on the radio was pretty lame. Anyone with more info out there?
--
L.C.
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it was the Relayer tour - no, it was after Relayer. All the group took
a while off to record solo albums, and Olias was Jon Anderson's effort.
(Moraz put out a wonderful one that has a non-translatable title - the
closest you can get is !).
Actually, it is a stylized lowercase i, so the closest you can get is "i".
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Yes, but imagine the HISSS!!!!!! It's bad enough on in the LP.
>I didn't know Vangelis played on that album.... I knew Jon used his
>studio, and it sounded like him a lot, but there're no credits for him
>on the album that I know of....
Yes. There's a tiny credit to him on the right hand side of the right hand
bit of the gate fold. (I think - I haven't seen the cover for many years).
it's great, different, but great. He put out another album a couple years ago
called, I believe, Three Ships. I don't have this one but the one song I
heard from it on the radio was pretty lame. Anyone with more info out there?
He had an album on CBS last year called In the City of Angels. Sounds
promising, huh? Surprise. Take Steely Dan or Toto (in fact, most of
Toto plays on this album), make Jon the vocalist, and make it totally
sugarcoated and poppy. Add a cover that has "flop" written all over it
(including a black and orange rendering of Jon in his best Warhol
drag) and see if you can find it anywhere now, a year after its
release...
I actually liked a couple songs off of it.... The Glass Bead Game
comes to mind. Watch out for "Hurry Home- Song from the Pleiades"
though- it will take over your mind.
You've come to the right place. The address of the American Recorder Society
is:
American Recorder Society
596 Broadway #902
New York, NY 10012-3234
+1 (212) 966-1246
There are local chapters in Montreal, Calgary, and Toronto. I'll have to
admit that I don't know where Waterloo is, but here are the addresses for
the chapters in Canada:
ARS Musica Montreal
Mary J. McCutcheon
7490 Stuart Ave.
Montreal, P.Q. H3N 2R4
(514) 271-6650
Calgary Recorder Society
Pamela Witten
2429 Cherokee Dr., N.W.
Calgary, Albta. T2L 0X6
(403) 289-5371
T.E.M.P.O.
Lois H. Dove
36 Bernard Ave.
Toronto, Ont. M5R 1R2
(416) 961-6854
If you can't find someone to teach you, but you already know some music,
I suggest you work through the Trapp family book "Enjoy Your Recorder".
After that, you can pick up "The Recorder Book" by Kenneth Wollitz.
Good luck.
Eric Stern
I have a copy of 3 Ships. Pretty lame is not an unfair description.
It is a very good record to play at Christmas, as it consists almost entirely
of carols. And, of course, at Christmas we have much higher tolerance levels
towards smarmy MOR ... :-)
But I dont want to be unfair to the record. It is not nearly as lame as some
gopel records I have accumulated over the years. Be in no doubt that it is
a gospel record - as I recall, all of the non-traditional songs are as openly
Christian as a writer such as Anderson could ever be.
A good one for the collectors is the track written (or was it co-written)
by Vangelis - lyrics and all as I remember.
Nuff said.
>--
>L.C.
Mike.
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Thanx for the info. Now I'm not sure whether to buy it since I'm a
Yes/Anderson fan and a completist when it comes to their records.
> drag) and see if you can find it anywhere now, a year after its
> release...
Good, if I can't find it anywhere I won't waste 10 bucks on it. If
I do find I'm sure I'll break down and fork it over, though.
>
> I actually liked a couple songs off of it.... The Glass Bead Game
> comes to mind. Watch out for "Hurry Home- Song from the Pleiades"
> though- it will take over your mind.
Yes, I recall a friend of mine telling me about some J.A. song
about the Pleiades that was supposed to be very good. Kinda reminds
me of "Holy Lamb-Song for Harmonic Convergence". But then that was
about the best song on Big Generator IMHO. Now you know I'm a
completist if I own that shitty album. :-)
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How about Queensryche? Seriously!
Yes, I recall a friend of mine telling me about some J.A. song
about the Pleiades that was supposed to be very good. Kinda reminds
me of "Holy Lamb-Song for Harmonic Convergence". But then that was
about the best song on Big Generator IMHO. Now you know I'm a
completist if I own that shitty album. :-)
I like Big Generator.... I like the last three songs on it, and the
rest don't offend me except for occasionally "I Eat at Chez Nous".
At one point I had two copies of it.... one I bought an hour after its
release, the other of which I won by saying "uh, let's see, Tony Kaye,
Rick Wakeman, Patrick Moraz, Geoff Downes." to a ditzy national radio
network operator.....
Yeah, if you're a completist, buy it. Some of the songs won't kill
you, and if you liked 3 Ships you might even like a mojority of these
tunes... Whoops, I mean majority. A mojority is what happens when you
realize all your driving tapes have "Elvis is Everywhere" on them....
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>>I didn't know Vangelis played on that album.... I knew Jon used his
>>studio, and it sounded like him a lot, but there're no credits for him
>>on the album that I know of....
>Yes. There's a tiny credit to him on the right hand side of the right hand
>bit of the gate fold. (I think - I haven't seen the cover for many years).
Actually, I believe that the credit is for assistance with the album,
arrangement and recording and programming advice, with the advice being
the important word here. Jon Anderson played all the instruments on
that album, which isn't too hard to believe if you listen very carefully
to the individual parts that are being played. They are all very simple -
it's the layering of simple parts that adds up to a complicated whole.
When the album came out, I read an article where Jon said that he had used
somewhere around 180 tracks on some songs, and that was in the days before
digital. That goes a long way to explaining the hiss. But he was quite
clear that he played *all* the instruments on the album. If you look
again, there are credits for Allen White and I think one of the other
Yes boys, maybe Steve Howe, but it's the same thing, for advice.
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Maybe I *was* a bit harsh. I must admit I do own worse records. Let's
see, I like Holy Lamb, Almost Like Love though not very Yes-like has
and energy that I find irresistable, Shoot High..was decent at first
but got tedious and repetitive, Love Will Find a Way and another song
which I can't remember right now were the obligatory hits but were
inferior even to Owner of a Lonely Heart and Leave It IMHO, Final Eyes
had a nice intro and ending but the rest seemed formulaic and predictable,
and that other song (damn, can't remember the title-you know, it's the
longest song on the album) was pretty good but suffered from a bizarre
arrangement which tried too hard to sound progressive and Yes-ish.
I much prefer 90125, which isn't saying a lot since I prefer any previous
Yes album to that one.
Hm. 90125 is one of my favorite albums. Generator is one of my least
favorites, but I'm Running is one of my favorite songs... I like it
better than some of the stuff on Tormato. It manages to sound tight
and yet not overproduced, and I think Trevor does a good Howe
imitation.... even Kaye plays stylishly. And I liked the
almost-Tequila sound..... if it hadn't happened then, I would really
have hated "Teakbois", but I don't.
And speaking of 90126, you know, if Trevor Horn or (hope beyond hope)
Eddie Offord were to have produced it, it would have been one of my
favorite albums, but I'm afraid it's only a few steps above Big
Generator for the overly thick sound..... only three or four songs
escape the Rick Wakeman Wall of Sound. (My guitarist roommate refers
to the album as "Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman and Wakeman's Amp.")
But I'm sure it'll be much better live... I'm sure people said the
same thing about Tormato when it came out....
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Maybe I *was* a bit harsh. I must admit I do own worse records. Let's
see, I like Holy Lamb, Almost Like Love though not very Yes-like has
and energy that I find irresistable, Shoot High..was decent at first
but got tedious and repetitive, Love Will Find a Way and another song
which I can't remember right now were the obligatory hits but were
inferior even to Owner of a Lonely Heart and Leave It IMHO, Final Eyes
had a nice intro and ending but the rest seemed formulaic and predictable,
and that other song (damn, can't remember the title-you know, it's the
longest song on the album) was pretty good but suffered from a bizarre
arrangement which tried too hard to sound progressive and Yes-ish.
I much prefer 90125, which isn't saying a lot since I prefer any previous
Yes album to that one.
> At one point I had two copies of it.... one I bought an hour after its
> release, the other of which I won by saying "uh, let's see, Tony Kaye,
> Rick Wakeman, Patrick Moraz, Geoff Downes." to a ditzy national radio
> network operator.....
The question: name four keyboardist who were overshadowed by playing i
the same band as the greatest guitarist who ever lived-Steve Howe. :-)
Sorry, I'm a guitarist myself and a huge Howe fan. Couldn't resist!
>
> Yeah, if you're a completist, buy it. Some of the songs won't kill
> you, and if you liked 3 Ships you might even like a mojority of these
> tunes... Whoops, I mean majority. A mojority is what happens when you
> realize all your driving tapes have "Elvis is Everywhere" on them....
> --
> Robert Jude Kudla <ku...@pawl.rpi.edu> <ku...@acm.rpi.edu> <fw3s@RPITSMTS>
> Pi-Rho America \\ /// 1989 New York Gay Pride Parade: 25 June 1989
> 2346 15th St. \\ /// 20th Anniversary of Stonewall Riots BE THERE!
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> (518)271-8624 // \\ \XX/ steely dan f.g.t.h. kate bush .....and even Rush
> Keep those cards and letters coming!
--
L.C.
>But I dont want to be unfair to the record. It is not nearly as lame as some
>gopel records I have accumulated over the years. Be in no doubt that it is
>a gospel record - as I recall, all of the non-traditional songs are as openly
>Christian as a writer such as Anderson could ever be.
I disagree here. I did not like that album precisely because it
was almost all Christmas music. Xmas music has nothing to do with me, nor
I with it, so for me, the album was a waste of money, with one exception.
I think 'How It Hits You' is only in the broadest possible sense a
'Christian' song. (I'm deliberately ignoring the inclusion of lyrics from
'Ding Dong Merrily On High'. That doesn't _need_ to be in the song; it's
just a throw-in.) Speaks to me more of just a love of another person, not
of anybody's God.
In my humble opinion, of course.
Mitch @ Rockwell, Anaheim
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