Has MC5 anything to do with The KLF?
Mc Mars
group MC5, but could anyone tell me what exactly the group MC5 actually
is? I'm looking at a catalogue listing of an MC5 album called "Kick out
the Jams", now does this have anything remotely to do with The KLF, or
does it sound remotely anything like KLF stuff?
I might just have to get it if it does!
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80's early 90's rockers like LOOP and SPACEMEN 3 (which evolved into SONIC
BOOM, then DARKSIDE and SPIRITUALIZED)
i think they were from the 60's or 70's but don't flame me on that...
otherwise, i guess jim and bill thought it was a great sample to use.
and it is.
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Lazlo Nibble
> I'm looking at a catalogue listing of an MC5 album called "Kick out the
> Jams", now does this have anything remotely to do with The KLF, or does
> it sound remotely anything like KLF stuff?
No and no, but they're definitely worth picking up anyway. Late-60s garage-
guitar-punk. (The KLF sampled "Kick Out The Jams" at the beginning of the
Stadium House versions of "What Time Is Love", for some obvious reasons.)
I hate to admit it, but when they played the beginning of "Kick Out The
Jams" between sets at Lolla this year, I was floored at the thought that
they would play KLF at a guitar-band show . . .
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Mike Swiston
% I know that The KLF sampled the quote "Kick out the JAMs" from the
% group MC5, but could anyone tell me what exactly the group MC5 actually
% is? I'm looking at a catalogue listing of an MC5 album called "Kick out
% the Jams", now does this have anything remotely to do with The KLF, or
% does it sound remotely anything like KLF stuff?
The "connection" is a joke (?) from the Illuminati
trilogy by Robert Anton Wilson & Robert Shea.
Musically, there's no connection.
p r u n e
>I know that The KLF sampled the quote "Kick out the JAMs" from the
>group MC5, but could anyone tell me what exactly the group MC5 actually
>is? I'm looking at a catalogue listing of an MC5 album called "Kick out
>the Jams", now does this have anything remotely to do with The KLF, or
>does it sound remotely anything like KLF stuff?
MC5 was an early punk rock band from Detroit, much along the same lines
as Iggy & the Stooges. Not exactly rave material, but great if you're into
punk.
p r u n e RIT Roch. NY, home of Kodak, Jolt Cola, and many other
artificial chemical substances.
George Scott
>In article <922780...@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, moe...@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Mc Mars) writes:
>>I know that The KLF sampled the quote "Kick out the JAMs" from the
>>group MC5, but could anyone tell me what exactly the group MC5 actually
>>is?
> MC5 was an early punk rock band from Detroit, much along the same lines
>as Iggy & the Stooges. Not exactly rave material, but great if you're into
>punk.
Pretty early punk, if you ask me. I don't recall anyone even using the term
'punk' in the early '70s. BTW, the MC5 had some kind of loose affiliation with
the White Panther Party which was headquartered on Hill Street in Ann Arbor.
(Anyone remember Brother John Sinclair?)
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geo...@windslc.seri.gov (George Scott) writes:
>djd...@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (p r u n e) writes:
>>In article <922780...@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, moe...@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Mc Mars) writes:
>>>I know that The KLF sampled the quote "Kick out the JAMs" from the
>>>group MC5, but could anyone tell me what exactly the group MC5 actually
>>>is?
>
>> MC5 was an early punk rock band from Detroit, much along the same lines
>>as Iggy & the Stooges. Not exactly rave material, but great if you're into
>>punk.
>Pretty early punk, if you ask me. I don't recall anyone even using the term
>'punk' in the early '70s. BTW, the MC5 had some kind of loose affiliation with
Detroit rock radio stations that would never play the Pistols applied
the term retroactively to any old garage-band stlye music they felt like,
as if to justify their crappy programming practices.
>the White Panther Party which was headquartered on Hill Street in Ann Arbor.
>(Anyone remember Brother John Sinclair?)
He and his wife Leni became music promoters and made a living off of
poor struggling Detroit musicians during the 80s. How cool.
Ex-MC5 lead singer Rob Tyner was, I believe, a stock-boy at a grocery store
when he recorded a pathetic "comeback" cd. Shortly thereafter, the seriously
overweight legend died of a heart attack about a year ago.
I hear at rehearsals for his memorial concert, Ex-MC5 lead guitarist and
husband of "punk queen" Patti Smith, Fred "Sonic" Smith was overheard
asking another musician "how do you play 'Kick out the Jams' ?"
It's all true.
--Eric
Lazlo Nibble
>> MC5 was an early punk rock band from Detroit, much along the same lines
>> as Iggy & the Stooges.
>
> Pretty early punk, if you ask me. I don't recall anyone even using the
> term 'punk' in the early '70s.
You weren't reading much Lester Bangs or _Creem_ then . . .
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Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B)
>geo...@windslc.nrel.gov writes:
>
>> Pretty early punk, if you ask me. I don't recall anyone even using the
>> term 'punk' in the early '70s.
>
>You weren't reading much Lester Bangs or _Creem_ then . . .
Were YOU? Come on, laz, cut us some slack. While I am not going to side
myself with the others who have complained, I do often sense a tension in
all your posts. Your net.god status is secure, don't worry, thanx to all
the music-related stuff you do. But trying to prove it every time is
beginning to.. er... wear on me and others. _I_ don't remember them using
the term "punk" in the early 70's, primarily because I was born in 1973! ;)
The earliest group I can remember ever being considered "punk" was the
Ramones, and then no one else until the Damned and the Sex Pistols. Of
course, I _could_ be wrong. I freely admit that.
Brian
Andrew D Milligan
Punk it certainly was if not in name in those days. Anyone who thinks that the
punk music made in the latter 70's was in any way new or different should
definitely check out the MC5's first album (recently reissued on CD) or the
ROIR tape of rarities. This all makes punk look very safe.
Schnizer Ansgar
REAL LIFE.
Peace, Let's never forget to worship the net.
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R o d Johnson
> MC5 was an early punk rock band from Detroit, much along the same lines
>as Iggy & the Stooges. Not exactly rave material, but great if you're into
>punk.
As an old-time 5 fan, I must protest (mildly). The 5 predate punk by
six or seven years. They're only "punk" in that they've been adopted
by punkers as a precursor; by this standard, James Brown is a rap
artist.
Similarly, to say they're "much along the same lines" as the Stooges
is not quite right. The Stooges and the 5 were actually rather
antithetical: the 5 were political, urban and into sex (lots of it);
the Stooges were alienated, suburban and "no fun". Not that there
weren't points of contact--the bands were friends, in some sense, and
Ron Asheton went on to form a band with Dennis Thompson (Stooges
guitarist and 5 drummer respectively). But the Stooges were like "the
kids" to the 5, and they went off in a pretty different direction.
Musically, the 5 looked back to 60s punk (a whole different thing),
blues and jazz, and especially the Yardbirds. The Stooges, on the
other hand, couldn't really play all that stuff, so they had to make
it up themselves, in the true spirit of punk to come. If they sound
like anyone, it's the Velvets. So while these comparisons aren't
totally off the mark, they really oversimplify a complex thing.
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"What I do doesn't happen in a warehouse"
--Jim Dickinson
R o d Johnson
Gih? What "connection" between the MC5 and the JAMs/KLF is from the
Illuminati trilogy (yes, I know what JAM stands for).
EIV...@cms.cc.wayne.edu
la...@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
>bbe...@soda.berkeley.edu (Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B)) writes:
>>>> I don't recall anyone even using the term 'punk' in the early '70s.
>>> You weren't reading much Lester Bangs or _Creem_ then . . .
>> Were YOU?
>but I've read it since, and yes, Bangs was calling bands like Iggy and
>the MC5 "punk" back then.
Too bad, cuz they weren't. Iggy & the Psychedelic Stooges and the
Motor City Five didn't really consider themselves punk, and I don't
really see how Lester Bangs' opinion matters in retrospect.
Either way, I challenge you to find *any* references of Bangs' to "punk rock"
in Creem by or before '73. If you do, I'll send you an issue of Bomp that
I bought in '79 that still has the Police bumper sticker intact. Plus, you
like Devo, right? I'll send you a Devo bootleg album that I bought in '80.
If & when you come up with the Bangs-Creem-'73-Punk references, contact me
& I'll give you my fax number.
Heck, if you pay postage, I'll send you any '78-'81 issues of Creem that I
haven't thrown away yet!
How about it? You've got nothing to lose!
--Eric
Andrew Rogers
>bbe...@soda.berkeley.edu (Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B)) writes:
>
They did, but mostly to refer to what we now call "garage band": Seeds,
Sonics, Thirteenth Floor Elevators, etc. Lenny Kaye's liner notes from
_Nuggets_ are a prime example.
>>> You weren't reading much Lester Bangs or _Creem_ then . . .
Lester Bangs' first paid article - a review of "Kick Out The Jams" in
"Rolling Stone" - panned it mercilessly, likening them to "13-year-olds on
a meth power trip". LB also pointed out that "I Want You Right Now" was a
note-for-note ripoff ("Kingsmen-on-acid", as noted Lester Bangs wannabe
AWR once described it in this newsfroup) of the Troggs' "I Want You" (true;
compare the writing credits on the original LP with those on the CD reissue)
and said something like "The Troggs came on with a similar sex-and-raw-sound
approach and rapidly faded into oblivion, from where they are laughing at
the MC5." He later made amends, of course, and acknowledged KOTJ's rightful
place in history as one of the greatest albums ever made.
>> Were YOU?
>
>No I wasn't (I was digging in piles of dirt in the backyard, probably)...
>but I've read it since, and yes, Bangs was calling bands like Iggy and
>the MC5 "punk" back then.
I was seeing somebody whose favorite audio accompaniment for amatory antics
was the Stooges' "We Will Fall", which I still think sounds like 11 minutes
of the Yardbirds doing "Still I'm Sad" on Thorazine, but which brings back
fond memories nonetheless. And, yes, Lester Bangs was among the first to
extend the "punk" label to cover late-60's acts like the MC5 and the Stooges,
as well as then-current successors such as the New York Dolls (voted "Best
New Group" and "Worst New Group" in Creem's 1973 Readers' Poll!)
AWR
old fart at play
PS: Personal to Libby: can I have my copies of KRLA Beat back?
PPS: R.I.P. Rob Tyner.
Dan Parmenter
>the MC5 is an old guitar band that supposedly influnced minimalist guitar late
>80's early 90's rockers like LOOP and SPACEMEN 3 (which evolved into SONIC
>BOOM, then DARKSIDE and SPIRITUALIZED)
Ack, that's sort of a fucked chronology. Spacemen 3 had Sonic Boom as
a member. He released a solo album called Spectrum, and is now in a
BAND called Spectrum (with Jazz Butcher Conspirator Richard Formby).
Jason Spaceman, the other mover and shaker in S3 is in Spiritualized.
Willie Caruthers aka Pete Bassman was the bassist for S3 and is now
the bassist and singer for the Darkside, which also features former S3
drummer, Roscoe.
The Spacemen were quite MC5 influenced and in fact, one of their most
memorable songs is a reworking of the Sun Ra/MC5 song "Starship".
The 17 minute "Starship" on the Spacemen's album The Perfect
Prescription, could easily fit in among some of the hardcore techno
I've heard. It's actually a lot better than the MC5 version. I've
been quite fascinated lately with the possibilities of mixing the two
styles. Technodrone? Psychno? Technodelic?
The Spacemen 3 "scene" is one of my favorites and I personally see a
lot of similarities between the best of the really trancey or ambient
stuff I've heard and the gorgeous drone of the Spacemen. On
the Spacemen's last album, "Recurring", Sonic even wrote a song called
"Big City", which was his ode to going to all night dance parties and
hearing cool music and seeing cool people. It's a really hypnotic
groove, though I have no idea if it's ever been played at any raves.
- Dan
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Dan Parmenter
EIV...@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
>Pretty early punk, if you ask me. I don't recall anyone even using the term
>'punk' in the early '70s. BTW, the MC5 had some kind of loose affiliation with
That's OK.
Detroit rock radio stations that would never play the Pistols applied
the term retroactively to any old garage-band stlye music they felt like,
as if to justify their crappy programming practices.
Excuse me? As Lazlo points out, Lester Bangs had been using the term
for years by the early seventies. The first edition of the NUGGETS
compilation, which was like '72 or '73 used the term "punk rock" to
describe garage music. My own father was in a garage band in the
early seventies called Vellocette, and he assures me that people used
the term "punk" as a formal description for these bands.
The English appropriated the term and style and then tried to take
half the credit, or all the credit depending on who and when you ask.
Great though the Pistols were, they were never as cool as the more
primal stuff by the likes of the 13th Floor Elevators.
- Dan
"And now I'd like to play you the first hardcore (old definition -
Dan) song I ever heard" - Ed, former WZBC deejay, prior to playing
"You Really Got Me" by the Kinks.
Pete Hartman
>In article <alchemy....@cs1.bradley.edu> alc...@cs1.bradley.edu (Mike Swiston) writes:
>>In <922780...@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> moe...@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Mc Mars) writes:
>>% I know that The KLF sampled the quote "Kick out the JAMs" from the
>>% group MC5, but could anyone tell me what exactly the group MC5 actually
>>% is? I'm looking at a catalogue listing of an MC5 album called "Kick out
>>% the Jams", now does this have anything remotely to do with The KLF, or
>>% does it sound remotely anything like KLF stuff?
>>The "connection" is a joke (?) from the Illuminati
>>trilogy by Robert Anton Wilson & Robert Shea.
>>Musically, there's no connection.
>Gih? What "connection" between the MC5 and the JAMs/KLF is from the
>Illuminati trilogy (yes, I know what JAM stands for).
The Illuminati trilogy claims that the MC5 were illuminated and
part of the JAMMS or something like that. It's been a while since
I read the book.
--
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There are always connections; you have only to want to find them
Charles Board
|> In article <knh...@lynx.unm.edu>
|> la...@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
|> >bbe...@soda.berkeley.edu (Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B)) writes:
|> >>>> I don't recall anyone even using the term 'punk' in the early '70s.
|> >>> You weren't reading much Lester Bangs or _Creem_ then . . .
|> >> Were YOU?
|> >No I wasn't (I was digging in piles of dirt in the backyard, probably)...
|> >but I've read it since, and yes, Bangs was calling bands like Iggy and
|> >the MC5 "punk" back then.
|>
|> Too bad, cuz they weren't. Iggy & the Psychedelic Stooges and the
|> Motor City Five didn't really consider themselves punk, and I don't
|> really see how Lester Bangs' opinion matters in retrospect.
|>
|> Either way, I challenge you to find *any* references of Bangs' to "punk rock"
|> in Creem by or before '73. If you do, I'll send you an issue of Bomp that
|> I bought in '79 that still has the Police bumper sticker intact. Plus, you
|> like Devo, right? I'll send you a Devo bootleg album that I bought in '80.
|>
Isn't this a sucker offer - didn't CREEM start up in '73? I could (easily) be
wrong on this.
Scott Borst
>In <-94-TF=@engin.umich.edu> r...@engin.umich.edu (R o d Johnson) writes:
>>Gih? What "connection" between the MC5 and the JAMs/KLF is from the
>>Illuminati trilogy (yes, I know what JAM stands for).
>
>The Illuminati trilogy claims that the MC5 were illuminated and
>part of the JAMMS or something like that. It's been a while since
>I read the book.
>--
Close. In the book, the Illuminati control a great many of the world's major
corporations, including much of the entertainment industry. Illuminati
agents in the music business commanded the MC5 to write a song that displayed
their "feelings" for the Justified Ancients of Mu Mu. "Kick out the JAMS,
motherfuckers!" The guys in the KLF/JAMS apparently read the series and decided
to play around with a few of the concepts they found inside.
Scott Borst, aka "Megadude!!"
bo...@cs.jhu.edu
Lazlo Nibble
> I challenge you to find *any* references of Bangs' to "punk rock" in
> Creem by or before '73. If you do, I'll send you an issue of Bomp that I
> bought in '79 that still has the Police bumper sticker intact. Plus, you
> like Devo, right? I'll send you a Devo bootleg album that I bought in
> '80.
You're too easy, man:
"A big part of punk rock is the Great American (or English,
really) Teen Sublimation Riff. Everybody wants to get laid
'twixt twelve and twenty, thinks about it round the clock in
fact, but most of their cogitation is neurotic energy-drain
stuff, with the result that we get Two Major Punk Rock Schools.
One overcompensates for teen neurosis with exaggerated
displays of macho arrogance driven home by vengeful hard-on
bass lines (Troggs being the supreme archetype), while the
other just freaks out, submerging the whole thing into highly
evolved, murky drug-lyric double entendres . . . "
-- from _Creem,_ October 1972, as reprinted in Lester Bangs'
_Psychotic Reactions And Carburetor Dung,_ (New York, Vintage
Books, 1988, ed. by Greil Marcus, IBSN 0-679-72045-6); p. 101.
--
Lazlo (la...@triton.unm.edu)
EIV...@cms.cc.wayne.edu
d...@wombat.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Dan Parmenter) writes:
>>Pretty early punk, if you ask me. I don't recall anyone even using the term
>>'punk' in the early '70s. BTW, the MC5 had some kind of loose affiliation with
> That's OK.
> Detroit rock radio stations that would never play the Pistols applied
> the term retroactively to any old garage-band stlye music they felt like,
> as if to justify their crappy programming practices.
>
>Excuse me? As Lazlo points out, Lester Bangs had been using the term
>for years by the early seventies. The first edition of the NUGGETS
>compilation, which was like '72 or '73 used the term "punk rock" to
>describe garage music. My own father was in a garage band in the
>early seventies called Vellocette, and he assures me that people used
>the term "punk" as a formal description for these bands.
the term didn't exist when the band was around, then it shouldn't apply.
Then again, if it did, I'll happily stand corrected.
>"And now I'd like to play you the first hardcore (old definition -
>Dan) song I ever heard" - Ed, former WZBC deejay, prior to playing
>"You Really Got Me" by the Kinks.
--Eric
Andrew Rogers
>EIV...@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
>
>> I challenge you to find *any* references of Bangs' to "punk rock" in
>
>You're too easy, man:
>
> "A big part of punk rock is the Great American (or English,
> -- from _Creem,_ October 1972, as reprinted in Lester Bangs'
> _Psychotic Reactions And Carburetor Dung,_
You beat me to it - I was up all night looking for that *exact* same quote!
(Damn, I really *wanted* that Police bumper sticker - I'm still pissed off
that somebody else beat me to the last set of Partridge Family Colorforms
in some dusty mom-n-pop variety store a couple years ago...)
Admittedly, LB was talking about "punk rock" in the early-70's sense (60's
garage - or in this case, cave - bands), but there you have it! Also check
out "Of Pop and Pies and Fun" (also in PRACD, originally in Creem 11-12/70)
in which he refers to the Igster as a "fucked-up punk".
>Lazlo (la...@triton.unm.edu)
AWR
McCurdy M.
>He later made amends, of course, and acknowledged KOTJ's rightful
>place in history as one of the greatest albums ever made.
I listened to a lot of music during the time and I can remember my friends
and I agreeing that KOTJ and MC5 were so bad that it was amazing that they
landed a recording contract.
Mike McCurdy Disclaimer:
VAX Systems Management
San Diego State University "Everything I say may be wrong."
mcc...@bestsd.sdsu.edu
Dan Parmenter
EIV...@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
> Too bad, cuz they weren't. Iggy & the Psychedelic Stooges and the
> Motor City Five didn't really consider themselves punk, and I don't
> really see how Lester Bangs' opinion matters in retrospect.
First of all, what bands consider their music to be is extremely
insignificant. Mississippi Fred McDowell onced recorded an album
called "I Do Not Play No Rock and Roll", but damned if he wasn't one
of the most interesting rock and roll musicians ever. The Ramones
probably thought they were playing beach party music.
>Either way, I challenge you to find *any* references of Bangs' to "punk rock"
>in Creem by or before '73. If you do, I'll send you an issue of Bomp that
>I bought in '79 that still has the Police bumper sticker intact. Plus, you
>like Devo, right? I'll send you a Devo bootleg album that I bought in '80.
Whether or not Bangs was calling those acts "punk" is irrelevent for a
number of reasons. If the debate is over how old the term is then you
don't need to look to Bangs for pre-73 references to "punk" music. If
the debate is whether Bangs coined the term, he denied it completely
himself, so that's not a problem.
Why exactly are you so loathe to consider the MC5 as "punk rock"?
Musically, it sure SOUNDS a whole lot like what other bands started
doing years later calling it "punk". Terms like "punk rock" or even
"rock & roll" were not coined at some specific time by musicians or
critics. The terms evolved organically, sometimes with very different
interpretations. This isn't like "Dada" or "post-structuralism" or
even "Modern art", formal terms with specific meanings coined by
people at a particular time.
This whole debate is simply an instance of music fans' seemingly
obsessive need to narrow their scope of interest. "Oh, *I* don't like
that because it's X, I *only* like Y". My own definition of punk rock
includes the MC5, why not? Loud, simple, aggressive music. The bands
*I* have a hard time including are crap like the Smiths or the Cure
whose members have made the punk rock claim. I'd be more inclined to
call them "Weepy Whiner Rock".
- Dan
Ray Shea
>In article <p_h...@lynx.unm.edu> la...@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
>>
>>You weren't reading much Lester Bangs or _Creem_ then . . .
>
>Were YOU? Come on, laz, cut us some slack. While I am not going to side
>myself with the others who have complained, I do often sense a tension in
>all your posts.
*SMACK* get back in your hole, you little bug.
>. _I_ don't remember them using
>the term "punk" in the early 70's, primarily because I was born in 1973! ;)
I was born in '64, so I don't remember it either, but I find these
things out before I shoot my mouth off about them (most of the time,
anyways). The point is, if you're going to talk about late-60's
garage music and you haven't listened to and read the back cover of
the _Nuggets_ compilation (where the word "punk" was used, in 1972,
to refer to late-60's garage bands like the Count Five), then you know
not wherefore you speak, and Laz has a duty as a net.god to banish
you to the fires of alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy.
>The earliest group I can remember ever being considered "punk" was the
>Ramones, and then no one else until the Damned and the Sex Pistols. Of
>course, I _could_ be wrong. I freely admit that.
Well, you just admitted that you were 5 years old when the Pistols
broke up, so yeah, your memory could be a little faulty.
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For that matter, neither did the Damned. Shows what they knew.
Christopher J Carne
>In article <alchemy....@cs1.bradley.edu> alc...@cs1.bradley.edu (Mike Swiston) writes:
>>In <922780...@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> moe...@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Mc Mars) writes:
>
>>% is? I'm looking at a catalogue listing of an MC5 album called "Kick out
>>% the Jams", now does this have anything remotely to do with The KLF, or
>>% does it sound remotely anything like KLF stuff?
>
>>The "connection" is a joke (?) from the Illuminati
>>trilogy by Robert Anton Wilson & Robert Shea.
>>Musically, there's no connection.
>
>Gih? What "connection" between the MC5 and the JAMs/KLF is from the
>Illuminati trilogy (yes, I know what JAM stands for).
>
>
>
I don't have the exact quotation to hand but somwhere one of the
Dillingers (can't remember which) tells Joe Mallik that the Illuminati
got the MC5 to put out 'Kick Out the Jams', both as an exhortation and
as a way of recalling the JAMS expulsion from Antlantis by Graud
and his cronies, still a sore subject with the worshippers of Mumu. Of
course the (false) Illuminati had their history all wrong, but then
so did the JAMS. IN any case the MC5 thang led Dillinger to set up
Laughing Jesus Buddha Phallus records to counter the insidious
Illuminati influence on the nations youth.
I hope that makes things clear.
Hail Eris
CHR$
Ray Shea
>> I challenge you to find *any* references of Bangs' to "punk rock" in
>> Creem by or before '73. If you do, I'll send you an issue of Bomp that I
>> bought in '79 that still has the Police bumper sticker intact. Plus, you
>> like Devo, right? I'll send you a Devo bootleg album that I bought in
>> '80.
>
>You're too easy, man:
Hey, uh, Lazlo, if you don't want that Devo bootleg, I'll be happy
to take it off your hands.
Ray Shea
>I thought the MC5 were primarily a late-'60s band. My point is that if
>the term didn't exist when the band was around, then it shouldn't apply.
Oh, you're right. We should go back to calling all pre-Elvis rock'n'roll
"race music".
Alan Brushaber
>
>>In article <922780...@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, moe...@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Mc Mars) writes:
>>>I know that The KLF sampled the quote "Kick out the JAMs" from the
>>>group MC5, but could anyone tell me what exactly the group MC5 actually
>>>is?
>
>> MC5 was an early punk rock band from Detroit, much along the same lines
>>as Iggy & the Stooges. Not exactly rave material, but great if you're into
>>punk.
>
>Pretty early punk, if you ask me. I don't recall anyone even using the term
>'punk' in the early '70s. BTW, the MC5 had some kind of loose affiliation with
>the White Panther Party which was headquartered on Hill Street in Ann Arbor.
>(Anyone remember Brother John Sinclair?)
>--
concert at Soldiers (?) field by Wayne State University in Detroit. Saw
Sinclair a few weeks ago introducing a band at the Ann Arbor Blues and
Jazz Festival at Gallup Park.
(Probably should add that the free MC5 concert was back in the '60's:)
Al - a...@ais.org
soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty
>You don't? When did "Never Mind the Bollocks" come out? I distinctly
>recall seeing the Sex Pistols on "Don Kirshner's Rock Concert", and I
>don't think that I watched that very much after I got out of high
>school in '75. They certainly couldn't have appeared much later than
>'76, and "punk" was fairly common by then.
It came out in mid-late 1977. The Pistols had been a national media event
in Britain since November 1976 (the infamous Bill Grundy show incident),
which is also when their first vinyl, the "Anarchy in the UK" single, came
out.
Of the American bands who were inarguably associated with "punk" and/or "new
wave", the Ramones, Patti Smith, and (I think) Blondie all had albums out
by the end of 1976. A number of other bands had singles out, but hadn't
gotten a whole lot of media attention.
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Rick Kleffel
and Alternate hsitories, folks on both side of the fence would be well advised
to pick up the latest story collection from Mark V. Ziesing by cyberpunk Bruce
Sterling. Not only is it his best (much better than Crystal Express), it also
has an alternate history in which Lester Bangs does not die, but lives to
marry some off-the-wall comix illustrator. Sordid scenes but very sweetly
written. I'd'a never guessed it would come in so handy.
Rick Kleffel
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Andy Newman
>
>Right, the working class hero that John Lennon wrote a song about.
>He and his wife Leni became music promoters and made a living off of
>poor struggling Detroit musicians during the 80s. How cool.
>
Some people are arseholes. So what's new?
>Ex-MC5 lead singer Rob Tyner was, I believe, a stock-boy at a grocery store
>when he recorded a pathetic "comeback" cd. Shortly thereafter, the seriously
>overweight legend died of a heart attack about a year ago.
>
Jaco was a loser too. Still makes one of the greatest electric
bassists that has ever lived.
>I hear at rehearsals for his memorial concert, Ex-MC5 lead guitarist and
>husband of "punk queen" Patti Smith, Fred "Sonic" Smith was overheard
>asking another musician "how do you play 'Kick out the Jams' ?"
>
Maybe he doesn't really care how it goes. Or maybe its be quite a
while since he played it (like 15 years+!)
>It's all true.
>
>--Eric
Eric, since you so eager to put down some people (yes this is a
flame-type reply) who have made some (IMO) great music maybe you'd
like to educate the rest of us as to your contributions to the world's
music.
--
Andy Newman (an...@research.canon.oz.au)
"Giving money and power to governments is like giving whiskey and
car keys to teenage boys" - P.J.O'Rourke
Darryl Davis (RA)
>sincere rock critics out there. I mean, this guy played in actual
>bands for years, which places him quite a few notches above the boring
>critics out there.
>
And as the pround owner of the L. Bangs '77 7inch "Let It Blurt",
i can report that it contains the seminal line:
Bitch bitch bitch, the beggar wan't mine
All in all, its a fairly chaotic little number
note that the UK's answer to L.Bangs (Charles Shaar Murray) also
had his band Blast Furnace And The Heatwaves
and Mick Farren (a la Oz etc) turns out a pretty funky line in SF novels
dr doom the optimist
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Paul E. Curtis
>part of the JAMMS or something like that. It's been a while since
>I read the book.
Has anyone yet mentioned the famous censorship incident involving the MC5's
_Kick Out the Jams_? The original release contained the line, "Kick out the
jams, motherf*ckers," but this was later replaced with, "Kick out the jams,
_bothers and sisters_." Still, I haven't actually heard anything by the
group, tho' since I like the Stooges, perhaps I oughta give 'em a try.
Speaking of the Stooges...does anyone know where I can find "I Wanna Be Your
Dog Part Two" and "I Feel Alright," the non-album B-sides from 1969 and 1970,
respectively? For that matter, are the original versions of "I Got a Right"
and "Gimme Some Skin" (as released on Siameese Records in 1977) available on
CD anywhere?
Thanx,
Anders Engwall
>note that the UK's answer to L.Bangs (Charles Shaar Murray) also
>had his band Blast Furnace And The Heatwaves
And their '78 single "South Of The River" was a fine piece of R&Bish
pub rock, too! However, those of you have read his "Shots From Hip"
(which is his "Psychotic Reactions & Craburettor Dung" and is
hereby recommended) will have noticed his musicianship showing through
by his fondness for detailed descriptions of his subjects' equipment.
I even remember him reviewing electric guitars back when the NME had
hardware pages...
Btw, the UK's *other* answer to Bangs, Nick Kent, had a short-lived band
ca. 1980 called The Subterraneans, which put out the fine Byrds-y
"My Flamingo" 7inch.
>and Mick Farren (a la Oz etc) turns out a pretty funky line in SF novels
Wasn't he in The Deviants?
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