TOP 10 FEMALE ARTISTS!
Grant Lund - PG
to my last one (re: best 5 female vocalists) :)
1. Mariah Carey (just helping her to bypass whitney!!!!!! :))
2. lead singer of 4 Non- Blondes - whats her name?????
3. Annie Lennox
4. Mariah McKee (sp??)
5. Tori Amos
6. Carol King (for want of a filler!!! - i wasn't going to shift everyone
up!)
7. Sinead O' Conner
8. Bjork
9. Carol Dekker
10. Celione Dion
HM: Madonna (I would have put her in the top 10, but I don't think her voice
is as compelling as the others)
Karen Carpenter (the only dead person in this list, but hey, she has a
haunting voice)
En Vogue (yep all of them!)
and last but not least, i suppose Babs should get a mention. ie. Barbara
Streisand
Well hope u like my eclectic choice - he he. hope Whitney gets no more
votes!!!!
PS: Shame poor ole Kylie hasn't got a vote - what is the world coming to? :)
Grant Lund
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Mike Sixsmith
> Karen Carpenter (the only dead person in this list, but hey, she has a
>haunting voice)
well, I guess her voice would be haunting if she's dead....
:-)
Valerie H. Carver
Here are my top 10:
1. Nanci Griffith
2. Amy Ray
3. Christine Lavin
4. Stevie Nicks
5. Tina Turner
6. Bonnie Raitt
7. Michelle Shocked
8. Aimee Mann
9. Sara MacLachlan
10. Chrissy Hynde
a73a-IN-930127
1- Debbie Gibson
2- Kate Bush
3- Kim Wilde
4- Enya
5- Sinead O'Connor
6- Tanita Tikaram
7- Annie Lenox
8- Gloria Estefan
9- Barbra Streisand
10-Amy Grant
Scott Bulmer
1. Amy Grant
2. Celine Dion
3. Mariah Carey
4. Olivia Newton-John
5. Linda Ronstadt
6. Ann Wilson (Heart/Lovemongers)
7. Susan Ashton
8. Laurie Sargeant (Face To Face)
9. Pat Benatar
10. Louise Reny (One 2 One)
HM
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Karen Carpenter, Kim Wilde, Sheena Easton, Whitney Houston,
Kate Bush, Terri Nunn (Berlin), Carol Decker (T'Pau),
Wendy Matthews, Anna La Casio (Cock Robin)
David A. Merdini
UPDATE!!!!!!!!!!
Here is your TOP - 10 - FEMALE ARTISTS POLL for 8-9-93!
Rules
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1. Vote only once!!!!EVER!!!!!
2. Send votes to pap...@cabell.vcu.edu or respond as followup
to this post. #1-#10 (1=100pts,2=90pts,etc. HM=honorable mention
and receives 5pts.)
3. If you see a mistake, please let me know and I'll make the
correction.
925 Enya
885 Kate Bush
755 Annie Lenox (The Eurythmics)
725 Mariah Carey
620 Whitney Houston
585 Suzanne Vega
560 Mylene Farmer
555 Tori Amos
485 Madonna
450 Amy Grant
440 Natalie Merchant (10,000 Maniacs)
440 Debbie Gibson
400 Harriet Wheeler (The Sundays)
380 Bjork (The Sugarcubes)
365 Sinead O'Conner
365 Aretha Franklin
335 Amy Ray/Emily Sailers (Indigo Girls)
310 Neneh Cherry
300 Chrissy Hynde (The Pretenders)
300 Sarah McLaughlan
295 Tina Turner
295 Ella Fitzgerald
280 Gloria Estefan
260 Maire Brennan (Clannad)
260 Susanna Hoffs (The Bangles)
250 Edie Brickell
250 Janis Joplin
245 Joni Mitchell
230 Celine Dion
230 Bonnie Raitt
220 Maria McKee
220 Sade
210 Patricia Kaas
200 Joan Jett
200 Basia
195 Barbara Streisand
190 Sam Brown
190 Happy Rhodes
190 Kim Wilde
185 Deborah Harry (Blondie)
180 Sara Vaughn
170 Billie Holliday
170 Janet Jackson
165 Karen Carpenter
160 Tanita Tikaram
155 Nancy Griffith
150 Stevie Nicks (Fleetwood Mac)
150 Olivia Newton John
150 Sophie B. Hawkins
145 Corrinne Drewry (Swingout Sister)
145 Julianne Regan (All About Eve)
140 Julianna Hatfield
135 Deborah Holland (Animal Logic)
130 Tanya Donelly (Belly, The Breeders)
120 Kathleen Battle
120 Sparks (L7)
115 Siouxsie Sioux
115 Annie Haslam (Rennaissance)
110 Ricky Lee Jones
110 Lisa Stansfield
110 Carole King
110 Loretta McKinnett
110 Patti Smith
100 Nico
100 Kristen Vigard (Backing vocalist for Red Hot Chilli Peppers)
100 Kirsty MacColl
100 Jennifer Warnes
100 Joan Baez
100 Karen Peris (The Innocence Mission)
100 Kha'nh H'
100 Christina Schlieske (Tina and the B-side Movement)
100 Marie Frederikkson (Roxette)
100 Tania Maria
100 K.D. Lang
100 Laura Nyro
100 Candy Dulfer
90 Lorraine Ellison
90 Kate Pierson (B-52's)
90 Nina Simone
90 Katharina Franck (Rainbirds)
90 April Combs (Arson Garden)
90 (4 Non-Blondes singer)
90 Carol Decker (T'Pau)
90 Pat Benatar
90 Linda Ronstadt
90 (L7 Bassist)
90 Belinda Carlisle
90 Marti Jones
85 Aimee Mann (Til' Tuesday)
85 Delores O' Riordan (The Cranberries).
80 Kiri Te Kanawa
80 Bessie Smith
80 Lea Salonga
80 Shirly Bassey
80 Ofra Haza
80 Betty Carter
80 Christine Lavin
80 Martha Wash
80 Kat (Babes In Toyland)
80 Patti LaBelle
80 Heidi Berry
80 Loreena McKennitt
80 Johnette Napoletano (Concrete Blonde)
80 (En Vouge)
75 Vanessa Paradis
70 Carrie Newcomer
70 Andrea Lewis (Darling Buds)
70 Ute Lemper
70 Anka Wolbert (XYMOX))
70 Dawn Robinson
70 Melissa Etheridge
70 Diamanda Galas
70 Liz Frasier (Cocteau Twins)
70 Dionne Warwick
70 Nancy Sinatra
65 Sheena Easton
60 Baby Washington
60 Rosie Gaines
60 Pam Rose/Mary Ann Kennedy (Kennedy-Rose)
60 Gladys Knight
60 Sarah Shannon (Velocity Girl)
60 Maiko (Arrakeen)
60 Natalie Cole
60 Bobo (Bobo in White Wooden House)
60 Elsa
60 Muriel Moreno
60 Lura Branian
60 Bonnie Tyler
60 Michelle Shocked
60 Monserrat Caballe
60 Beth Sorrentino (Suddenly, Tammy!)
55 Vanessa Williams
55 Ann Wilson (Heart)
50 ABBA
50 Kim Deal (Pixies, The Breeders)
50 Liane Foly
50 (Baby Animals singer)
50 Gal Costa
50 Suzzy, Terre, Maggie Roche (The Roches)
50 Grace Slick
50 Monie Love
50 Cyndi Lauper
40 Michelle Marchessault (THe Gerrunds)
40 Mary J. Blige
40 Judy Collins
40 Cherie Currie
40 Karen Matheson (Capercaillie)
40 Sapho
40 Polly Jean Harvey (PJ Harvey)
40 Darlene Love
40 Emmylou Harris
40 Patsy Cline
40 Exene (X)
40 Clare Torry
35 Tasmin Archer
30 Abbey Lincoln
30 Jennifer Kimball (The Story)
30 Jeanette Jurado (Expose')
30 Wendy Matthews
30 Alison Moyet
30 Marie Boine Persen
30 OM Kalson
30 Patti Larkin
30 Roberta Flack
30 Chynna Phillips (Wilson Phillips)
25 Oleta Adams
20 Wendy Wilson (Wilson Phillips)
20 Jessye Norman
20 Sarah Hickman
20 Christine McVie
20 Jane Siberry
20 Martha Davis
20 Shawn Colvin
10 Monika Zetterlund
10 Donna Summer
10 Wendy James (Transvision Vamp)
10 Marianne Kreitlow
10 June Tabor
10 (In Tua Nua singer)
10 Cathy Dennis
10 T-Boz (TLC)
10 Ferron
10 Tracy Chapman
10 Carnie Wilson (Wilson Phillips)
10 Zangecs Zonder Naam
10 Pauline Ester
10 Left Eye (TLC)
5 Odetta
5 Laura Branigan
5 Karin Bergquist (Over The Rhine)
5 Caroline Crawly (Shelleyan Orphan)
5 (Lush singer),
5 Carole King
5 Annie-Lie Ryde'
5 Marie Predsrikson
5 (ZZAJ singer)
5 Sandra
5 Liza Minelli
5 Karyn White
5 Renee Varo (Wild Blue)
5 Astrud Gilberto
5 Jennifer Warnes
5 Carolyn Wheeler
5 Jil Caplan
5 Annelie Drecker (Bel Canto)
5 Nancy Wilson
Andreas morlok
2. Kate Bush
3. Enya
4. Janis Joplin
5. Suzanne Vega
6. Kate Mc Garrigle
7. Anna Mc Garrigle
8. Stevie Nicks
9. Bjork
10. Debbie Harry
others: Cindy Lauper, Tasmin Archer, Anne Clark, Siouxie Sioux,
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Timo Mantere
1. Debbie Gibson (god, let her make comeback!)
2. Amy Grant
3. Gloria Estefan
4. Ann Wilson (Heart)
5. Nancy Wilson (Heart)
6. Belinda Carlisle
7. Mariah Carey
8. Madonna
9. Dalbello (Where did she disappear?)
10. Monica Seles (Not artist, but she made nice sounds while she's playing)
Timo
Chris Hedley
my previous note :/
1. Liz Frazer Cocteau Twins / This Mortal Coil
2. Julianne Regan All About Eve / Jene Loves Jezebel
3. Toyah Willcox Toyah / King Crimson / Girlschool
4. Bridgett Wishart Hawkwind / Hippy Slags
5. Kate Pierson B52's
6. Emma Anderson Lush
7. Tori Amos
8. Kate Bush
9. Clare Torry Pink Floyd backing vox
10. Katharine Blake (I think) Miranda Sex Garden
Chris.
Ed Suranyi
2. Mylene Farmer
3. France Gall
4. Natalie Merchant
5. Enya
6. Aimee Mann
7. Sarah McLachlan
8. Kirsty MacColl
9. Luba
10. Jane Siberry
Paula aka Nigel
My top 10, if you will...
1. Dee C. Lee (The Style Council, Slam/Slam)
2. Mary Lou Lord
3. Tanya Donelly (The Breeders)
4. Harriet Wheeler (The Sundays)
5. Miki and Emma (Lush)
6. Shawn Colvin
7. Juliana Hatfield
8. Sarah Shannon (Velocity Girl)
9. Liz Frasier (Cocteau Twins)
10. Jill and Gabby (Luscious Jackson)
Honorable mentions: Sade, Kim Deal (The Pixies, The Breeders), Indigo Girls,
Kristin Hersh (Throwing Muses), Janet and Terri (Tribe),
Olga Roman, Neneh Cherry, Tori Amos, Annie Lennox, Enya,
Carleen Anderson (Young Disciples), Kirsty MacColl.
>whew<
nigel from hell
(not quite a) riot grrrrrrrrrrl
Jarrod Miller
>
>My top 10, if you will...
>
>1. Dee C. Lee (The Style Council, Slam/Slam)
Wham!?
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2) France Gall
3) Bjork Gudmundsdottir
4) Diamanda Galas
5) Kim Gordon (Sonic Youth)
6) Rachel Haden (That Dog)
7) Lead singer of Heavenly
8) Jean Smith (Mecca Normal)
9) Lead singer of Tiger Trap
10) Kat (Babes in Toyland)i
Vickie Mapes
*Artists* eh? Which I take to mean women who write most or all of their
own music, and probably play an instrument.
1. Kate Bush
2. Happy Rhodes
3. Jane Siberry
4. Tori Amos
5. Kirsty MacColl
6. Victoria Williams
7. Sheila Chandra
8. Mary Margaret O'Hara
9. Sarah McLachlan
10. Karen Peris (The Innocence Mission)
(some of these HMs are borderline, in that I'm not quite sure how much
of their own music they write. Some a lot, some a little. Most, a lot.
These are in no particular order as to preference.)
HM: Lisa Gerrard (Dead Can Dance), Eddi Reader, Diamanda Galas, Christine
Lavin, Lisa Germano, Loreena McKennit, Iris DeMent, Toni Childs, Natalie
Merchant, k d lang, Barbara Gosza, Pamela Golden, Danielle Dax, Heidi
Berry, Katharina Franck (Rainbirds), Enya, Michelle Shocked, Ingrid
Karklins, Sinead O'Connor, Excene Cervenka (X), Johnette Napoliatano
(Concrete Blonde), Virginia Astley, Iva Bittova, Sam Phillips, Rickie
Lee Jones, Laurie Freelove, Annette Peacock, many, many more that I
can't think of right now but that I'll go "DAMN!" when I do.
(Liz from The Cocteau Twins too. I know she writes the lyrics.)
Vickie
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>*Artists* eh? Which I take to mean women who write most or all of their
>own music, and probably play an instrument.
>
I like a lot of the people on your list, but I'm not sure why a person has
to write songs to be an "artist." Singing and playing an instrument are
both performance arts. Would that mean that singers of traditional folk
songs, for instance, cannot be artists? What about Billie Holiday? She
wasn't an artist???!!! I mean artists *could* be interpreted the way you
mention it, but it seems a bit narrow to me. I think the original posster
just used "artist" because the previous poll like this had said that the
person's voice had to be "technically" good, by which, I suppose that person
met that the person had to have great tone, range, etc. which, while fine,
doesn't really apply to all folk and pop art. (I'm not sure I would want
Janis Joplin in my choir for instance, but she is a great rock singer.)
This ain't a flame or anything, I just think that singers who don't write
most of their songs qualify too. (Of course this may just be personal
prejudice because when I voted I named my favorite artist as Joan Baez, who
I would hate to think of as not being an artist at all! :-) I did list
Kate Bush as #2, so don't kick me out of gaffa! :-)
Wade Greiner
mcjenkin
writes:
> In article <Aug.12.03.19...@pilot.njin.net>
vic...@pilot.njin.net (Vickie Mapes) writes:
> >
> >*Artists* eh? Which I take to mean women who write most or all of their
> >own music, and probably play an instrument.
> >
>
> I like a lot of the people on your list, but I'm not sure why a person
has
> to write songs to be an "artist." Singing and playing an instrument are
> both performance arts. Would that mean that singers of traditional folk
> songs, for instance, cannot be artists?
I think one *does* need to write his or her own songs to be considered an
artist. Artistry is a creative process by definition (as I understand it
anyway.) To be an artist, you must actually create something.
A person who merely performs another musician's song isn't any more an
"artist" than is a sequencer or turntable.
With utmost respect,
Kate Jenkins.
Richard Caley
>I think one *does* need to write his or her own songs to be considered an
>artist. Artistry is a creative process by definition (as I understand it
>anyway.) To be an artist, you must actually create something.
>A person who merely performs another musician's song isn't any more an
>"artist" than is a sequencer or turntable.
But performance _is_ creative, if it weren't then all the versions of a
piece would be identical an no one would ever go to concerts.
If the combined output of Billie Holliday, Kronos and Janet Baker
contains no artistry, then this `artistry' isn't anything of interest.
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ez00...@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu
Hmmmmmmm.... Seems to be that the performance is a creative act. Something
is created! The performance! Are actors and actresses not artists because
they don't write a script? I think that acting is just a different art than
writing, as singing is a different art than writing songs. Janice Joplin
doing "Me and Bobby McGee" may not be an example of a person engaged in the
singer/songwriter process, but I think the rendition is creative and artistic.
With admiration and respect,
Wade Greiner
7th Ragged Tiger
>> In article <Aug.12.03.19...@pilot.njin.net>
>vic...@pilot.njin.net (Vickie Mapes) writes:
>> >*Artists* eh? Which I take to mean women who write most or all of their
>> >own music, and probably play an instrument.
>I think one *does* need to write his or her own songs to be considered an
>artist. Artistry is a creative process by definition (as I understand it
>anyway.) To be an artist, you must actually create something.
>
>A person who merely performs another musician's song isn't any more an
>"artist" than is a sequencer or turntable.
>
>With utmost respect,
>
>Kate Jenkins.
Kate,
I dunno that is kind of grey.... What about the interpretation of another's
music? Doesn't that take creativity? I mean a sequencer or a turntable
interprets the music (plays it) the same as any other, but when let's say
two different artists interpret one song differently... That is art too,
no? In other words, they each create an image of the writer's music that is
different. For example, the song "If You Asked Me To" sung by Celine Dion
was sung beautifully, IMHO by her, but it was also done beautifully, albeit
differently (ie with more soul) by Patti LaBelle in 1989.... I can't remember
the name of the writer, it is on the tip of my mind but refuses to surface,
sorry...
Regards,
Seemant
"She lays on the wall, watching the strangers drift away"
- Duran Duran (Palomino)
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Note: No bimbos! Some *MEN* think women are defined by their appearance
rather than their ability, and have voted for Suzanna Hoffs, Mariah Carey,
and Wilson Phillips (!!??!)
1) Laurie Anderson (not just a musician, but an *ARTIST*)
2) Aretha Franlkin (passe maybe, but what a voice!)
3) Nina Hagen (confrontation is an art form)
4) Enya (a tad boring sometimes, but a musician all the same)
5) Sinead O'Connor (but not lately, perhaps...)
6) Bessie Smith (you gotta start somewhere...)
7) Siouxsie Sioux (am I admitting my age here?)
8) Neneh Cherry (whether House or Reggae, this woman is *STRONG*)
9) Natalie Merchant (10,000 Maniacs) (a bit flighty, but she has opinions!)
10) Suzanne Vega (only lately, her early work wasn't v. consistent)
HMM: Kate Bush, Bjork, Nikki Stix (Lush).
p.s. I'm not an angry woman, I'm an embarrassed man.
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1: MADONNA
2: Tina Turner
3: Annie Crummer
4: Madonna
5: Annie Lennox
6: Gene Pitney
7: Tina Turner
8: Olivia Newton-John
9: Jimmy Summerville
10: Madonna (again, she's really really good) :-)
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Vickie Mapes
I'm torn. I agree with Kate's first sentence, but disagree with her last
one. My definition of artist, for this poll, was somewhat narrow, because
the last poll was concerned with vocalists only. Still, I realize that
it does take artistry to bring out the best in someone else's music. There
are tons of great vocalists/interpreters, from Billie Holiday to Julee
Cruise, from Ute Lemper to Dagmar Krause, from Mary Coughlin to Maddy
Pryor and on and on. What they do is very special, and it's impossible
for me to say that they aren't "artists" but again, I used my definition
because of the last poll. There just has to be, at some point, for some
people (me, now), proper recognition given to women who *do* write their
own music and play instruments.
Vickie
Richard Caley
> Note: No bimbos! Some *MEN* think women are defined by their appearance
> rather than their ability, and have voted for Suzanna Hoffs, Mariah Carey,
> and Wilson Phillips (!!??!)
Too right! I mean, if I was to vote by apearence I'd have put Kate Bush,
Laurie Anderson, K D Land, ... oops... :-)
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Mikko Kauppinen
>For example, the song "If You Asked Me To" sung by Celine Dion
>was sung beautifully, IMHO by her, but it was also done beautifully, albeit
>differently (ie with more soul) by Patti LaBelle in 1989.... I can't remember
>the name of the writer, it is on the tip of my mind but refuses to surface,
>sorry...
The songwriter is Diane Warren. (Did I spell it right?)
BTW, I too like both versions.
>Regards,
>Seemant
>"She lays on the wall, watching the strangers drift away"
> - Duran Duran (Palomino)
>Seemant, the Duran Duran and Mariah (despite her sleazy marriage) Fan
>--
>"And maybe then the future will be a time without war, destitution, and sorrow"
> -'There's Got To Be A Way' - Mariah Carey
>If you don't like what I say, don't bother reading it ;-) E-mail the good, the
>bad, the ugly, and the flames to : skul...@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
Mikko Kauppinen
Ronald L Levin
convinced is the real lead singer), emma anderson, and Nikki Stix. I know Emma
Anderson is in the band but I believ she's backup and isn't Nikki Stix some
heavy metal band *male* lead vocalist. Or maybe he's guitarist for Motely Crue.
Not Lush.
Peter Dickson
would be completely different (and begin with Billie Holliday).
1) Joni Mitchell (songs, performance - a great artist!)
2) Aretha Franklin (end of the sixties)
3) Dagmar Krause
4) Patti Smith
5) Diana Ross (her voice - not the satin stuff of later years)
6) Gloria Gaynor (again - the voice!)
Whoops - compilation done!
Peter Dickson
Gover
can't think of 10 female artists that I listen to.
That isn't a reflection on the female voice I don't think as much as a
reflection on the lack of female singers that are part of (I'll be careful
here) "good" bands (instrumentally). I like "arty" music - if the drums
and the bassline don't interest me, I'm not generally interested in
listening to the song.
Notwithstanding this, I can think of at least one female singer that just
blows me away...SARAH McLAUGHLAN. I saw her in concert and was so completely
entranced by her voice I didn't even stop to try to listen to the
instruments - that doesn't happen too often. Also, there is one local
singer/songwriter (here in St. John's), Liz Pickard, who is just fantastic,
but I guess not too many people know of her...
Anyway, just thought I'd share my tastes on the whole female artist thingy...
I'm not trying to start a war here, so don't bother mailing me and calling
me a male fascist pig or something like that. Incidentally, if anyone knows
of female artists in bands like Rush, Zeppelin, Chili Peppers, Primus,
Fishbone, REM, (Elvis Costello's) Attractions, etc. PLEASE email me
and I'll give them a chance!
Brad Gover
Philippe Vezina
In no particular order:
Natalie Merchant
Aimee Mann
Suzanne Vega
Tracy Chapman
Kate Bush
Sinead O'Connor
Grace Slick
Indigo Girls (counts as 2)
Edie Brickell
Greg Skinner
>artist. Artistry is a creative process by definition (as I understand it
>anyway.) To be an artist, you must actually create something.
A person who sings but does not write music is an artist, and what
they are creating is the performance of the pieces they sing.
>A person who merely performs another musician's song isn't any more an
>"artist" than is a sequencer or turntable.
There's nothing "mere" about performing another musician's song. It
is not the same as writing but it is a creative process. One must
interpret the music, communicate with one's audience, etc.
Someone mentioned "If You Asked Me To" somewhere else in this thread.
I think that is a good example of the difference between vocal
performance styles, and to a certain extent, production skills.
Compare the Patti LaBelle and Celine Dion versions.
--gregbo
Naz Reyes
Emerson) says:
>
>1: MADONNA
>2: Tina Turner
>3: Annie Crummer
>4: Madonna
>5: Annie Lennox
>6: Gene Pitney
This is a joke, right? Or, did he just recently had a sex-change
operation done? :-)
>7: Tina Turner
>8: Olivia Newton-John
>9: Jimmy Summerville
Ahh, now I get it :-)
AlOnSo EuGeNiO LlAnOs ArAyA
>
>
OK !, here goes mine :
10. Annie Lenox
9. Alison Moyet (YAZOO)
8. Madonna
7. The vocalist of Transvision Vamp (I dont remember her name!:( )
6. Cyndi Lauper
5. Debbie Gibson
4. Whitney Houston
3. Gloria Estefan
2. Donna Summer
1. Enya
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>OK !, here goes mine :
>
That would (have) been Wendy James.
Alex (fu...@ecf.toronto.edu)
mcjenkin
> In article <CBnsH...@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
mcje...@shoshone.ucs.indiana.edu (mcjenkin) writes:
> >I think one *does* need to write his or her own songs to be considered
an
> >artist. Artistry is a creative process by definition (as I understand
it
> >anyway.) To be an artist, you must actually create something.
>
> A person who sings but does not write music is an artist, and what
> they are creating is the performance of the pieces they sing.
>
> >A person who merely performs another musician's song isn't any more an
> >"artist" than is a sequencer or turntable.
>
> There's nothing "mere" about performing another musician's song. It
> is not the same as writing but it is a creative process. One must
> interpret the music, communicate with one's audience, etc.
Yeah, yeah, everyone's right here. Everyone made really good points
(especially Vickie :^) that are all equally valid but really we're getting
down to semantics now. I suppose there is really the artistry of creation
and the artistry of interpretation. I was being a little extreme in my
definition of "art."
Still I find the expression of one's own words, much more honest and
heartfelt.
Kate.
Peter Dickson
>I think one *does* need to write his or her own songs to be considered an
>artist. Artistry is a creative process by definition (as I understand it
>anyway.) To be an artist, you must actually create something.
Billie Holliday is not an artist, Frank Sinatra is not an artist, Elvis
Presley is not an artist... Absurd! By the way, I think one of the reasons
rock is so dull these days is that so many artists perform their own
mediocre material instead of interpret other people's stuff. I mean, even
an as thuroughly dull institution as Guns 'n' Roses can be worthwile
given first-class songs like Knocking on Heaven's Door!
Peter Dickson
Brian Kauffman
>> = mcje...@shoshone.ucs.indiana.edu (mcjenkin) writes:
========================================================================
>>I think one *does* need to write his or her own songs to be considered an
>>artist. Artistry is a creative process by definition (as I understand it
>>anyway.) To be an artist, you must actually create something.
>A person who sings but does not write music is an artist, and what
>they are creating is the performance of the pieces they sing.
>>A person who merely performs another musician's song isn't any more an
>>"artist" than is a sequencer or turntable.
>There's nothing "mere" about performing another musician's song. It
>is not the same as writing but it is a creative process. One must
>interpret the music, communicate with one's audience, etc.
Which is why there is a copywrite (c), and a perfomance copywrite (p),
to distinguish between creating a song (words & cords) vs.
creating a specific performance/interpretation of a song.
-Brian
David Sandberg
(Piers E Johnson) writes:
> Note: No bimbos! Some *MEN* think women are defined by their appearance
> rather than their ability, and have voted for Suzanna Hoffs, Mariah Carey,
> and Wilson Phillips (!!??!)
Who made you all-knowing? I voted for both Hoffs and Carey (although
both were in the lower half of my list), and it was NOT because of their
physical appearance.
>p.s. I'm not an angry woman, I'm an embarrassed man.
You *should* be embarrassed ... embarrassed by your own attempt to set
up your opinions as facts (e.g., your inferring that certain artists are
"bimbos", and that any man who votes for them is doing so because of their
appearance).
--
-- David Sandberg <d...@qii.sialis.com>
-- Development Manager, Metrix Inc., St. Paul MN
-- "Ritual dancer spins away, lost in a whirling dervish ballet
-- Musicians playing out of tune, in perfect harmony"
Marsha L. Grider
>2: Madonna
>3: Karen Carpenter
>4: Olivia Newton John
>5: Whitney Houston
>6: Taylor Dane
>7: Reba McEntire
>8: Amy Grant
>9: Melissa Manchester
>10: Tina Turner (Yes, IMO she's good enough to be voted on twice)
Marsha
Wing Wah Loh
for f___ing up John Lennon?
Eric Hansen
>What about giving Yoko Ono the top honour
>for f___ing up John Lennon?
How about Bonnie Raitt? She's been around for quite a while and really
rocks on guitar... I suppose I might include the gals from Heart, too.
Eric
Eber Lambert
>What about giving Yoko Ono the top honour
>for f___ing up John Lennon?
Or how about for extending his life 10 years. If it wasnt for Yoko, Lennon would have been dead by '73 like the others...
You missed a "_"... and theres really no need to censor the word "fluffing"
el
Karen To
2. Natalie Merchant
3. Kirsty MacColl
4. Annie Lennox
5. Siouxsie Sioux
6. Tracy Chapman
7. Michelle Shocked
8. Chrissie Hynde
9. Harriet Wheeler
10. Bjork
Klaus
would probably be totally different...
1. Patti Smith
2. Kim Deal (Breeders, Pixies)
3. Stella Chiweshe (Zimbabwean mbira player)
4. Polly Jean Harvey (PJ Harvey)
5. Sally Timms (Mekons)
6. Maureen Tucker (Velvet Underground)
7. Lisa Gerrard (Dead Can Dance)
8. Amy Denio (Tone Dogs)
9. Kendra Smith (Dream Syndicate, Opal, Guild of Temporal Adventurers)
10. Kristin Hersh (Throwing Muses)
H.M. Tanya Donelly (Breeders, Belly, Throwing Muses), Kim Gordon (Sonic
Youth), Jarboe (Swans), Lindsay Cooper (Henry Cow), Barbara Manning,
Josephine Wiggs (Perfect Disaster, Breeders), Elizabeth Fraser (Cocteau
Twins), Poison Ivy Rorschach (The Cramps), Alison Statton (Young Marble
Giants, Weekend)
Mikko Kauppinen
I agree with David. My votes were not based on the appearance of the
artists. Maybe Piers has some sort of a CD-I or LaserDisc player, but
my trusty JVC "portable" CD player unfortunately doesn't show a picture
of the artist singing at the moment. It would thus be quite difficult
to base my opinion on looks only. And no, I don't stare at the CD cover
while the album is playing, either...
Mikko Kauppinen
Peter Dickson
:OK, here's my attempt at a list. If I did this tomorrow, the order
:would probably be totally different...
I see this kind of disclaimers all the time. It amazes me that people
who don't have more faith in their own judgement than that still
bothers to state an opinion. I mean, I'm not really interested in what
Klaus likes this morning or tomorrow afternoon. But if he likes a singer
or has a particular opinion ANY morning or afternoon - now, THAT might
be interesting!
Peter Dickson
Ken Warkentyne
thought into their articles? The main idea of top ten lists is just
to list 10 names that you can think of and see how your list intersects
with other peoples' lists. ;-) [<--- obvious smiley for humour challenged.]
Actually, I would be disconcerted if someone *could* provide a list of 10
totally ordered "favourites" in any category you care to name.
While I'm posting an article in rec.music.misc, I may as well write
something about music. How about Joni Mitchell? I was listening to
"Hissing of Summer Lawns" the other day and was struck once more
by Mitchell's story telling ability, the vivid intimate portraits
she paints. I then put on Jane Siberry's "The Walking", which
unfortunately came across in comparison as overblown theatrics,
and all of a sudden my appreciation of "Bound by the Beauty" went
up a notch.
--
Ken Warkentyne - war...@ltisun.epfl.ch
Laboratoire de Teleinformatique, EPFL, Suisse.
Klaus
Peter Dickson <edt...@eua.ericsson.se> wrote:
|>In article h...@agate.berkeley.edu, heil...@uclink.berkeley.edu (Klaus) wrote
|>:OK, here's my attempt at a list. If I did this tomorrow, the order
|>:would probably be totally different...
|>
|>I see this kind of disclaimers all the time. It amazes me that people
|>who don't have more faith in their own judgement than that still
|>bothers to state an opinion. I mean, I'm not really interested in what
|>Klaus likes this morning or tomorrow afternoon. But if he likes a singer
|>or has a particular opinion ANY morning or afternoon - now, THAT might
|>be interesting!
Well, perhaps the problem is that I listen to too many different kinds of
music. If I were compiling a list of my favorite women artists tomorrow
(note: this list was of favorite artists, not favorite singers), I would
probably put the same names on the list. It's just the order that would
probably be different. I mean, is Kim Deal a better artist than Stella
Chiweshe? I don't even know how to compare them, since their music is
so different. I think they both deserve a spot on my list, but any
comparative ranking is going to be somewhat arbitrary. I would have felt
more comfortable coming up with an unordered list of my favorite artists,
but that wasn't what was being asked for. I know that some people have
their FAVORITE ARTISTS who **RULE!!**, but I like many different things,
and no one of them is my Very Favorite. I have plenty of faith in my own
judgement -- I just don't like to rank things.
-Klaus
M.A. Murphy
I usually have a little more respect for people who somehow note that
their opinion could be different tomorrow. These people tend to listen
to significantly more music than your average Joe. Does this make
their opinion any more valid. Ultimately, no. But it does help someone
like me who also listens to *lots* of music. It generally means that
these people are willing to make room in their lists for new (to them)
artists and often go out of their way to track down a recording.
Postings that say something akin to "Kate Bush Rules!" or "Metallica
Rules, Dude!" are the type that barely even register in my brain.
Admittedly, there are a lot more folks who attempt reasonable discourse
to try and 'prove' that Kate rules. Most Metallica fans seem to leave
it at that. And we get all types when it comes to Rush... :-)
I listen to between three and ten albums a day, with most days
tending to gravitate towards a median number. Many of these albums
are new, so I am always adding new artists and new albums to the possible
pool of performers I can pick from in any discussion such as the one
that prompted your comments (how's that for a sentence!). There are
times when I go for days without a repeat listen of an album. Other
times there are things I just can't get out of my CD player or off of
my turntable. Two current examples are Joan Osborne's _Blue Million Miles_
EP and Tab Benoit's _Nice and Warm_. Osborne's CD-EP has been in my
player almost daily for the last two weeks. Tab's CD still gets played
once every few days, though at the beginning of the year I was playing
it nearly daily. With a lot of music today (especially on commercial
radio) it seems that familiarity can breed contempt, but that definitely
is not the case with Tab's album. It's like a warm blanket I can throw
on and bundle up in.
To get back to your topic, people that say any particular list could
change tomorrow tend to have listening habits closer to mine. These
are generally the sorts of people who can point me towards finding
something new or something older that I may not have known about.
This is why I value the opinions of these people. In the grand scheme
of things, are their opinions any more valid than the two teens who
killed/nearly killed themselves because they were of the Judas Priest
Rules! mental set? Probably not. In my scheme of things, though,
there is no comparison. They're the sorts of people who can provide
me with new info and are probably open to info that I may provide.
This is getting long-winded. I hope this makes sense.
The above is all my opinion. :-)
-------
Murph
Michael A. Murphy
MU...@MAINE.BITNET
If you do not understand my silence
you will not understand my words.
Peter Dickson
I get your point. My original intention was not, however, to
promote "Joan Osborne rules" statments. What I meant was that
a little perspective helps when deciding what really has an
impact. When singling out favorites it's perhaps a good idea
to exclude artists and works one has discovered recently and
only name the ones that has worn well with time.
Peter Dickson