TV theme songs reaching music charts
Obveeus
It used to be that many TV show's had their own theme song for opening
credits, interludes, etc... Now, that musical component seems largely lost
on TV.
I was just wondering what recent TV shows have spawned music onto the music
charts (originals, covers, whatever)?
I was also wondering if anyone thought that Aliens in America could do so
with the
PJ Olsson & Salmon Ahmad cover Nick Lowe's "What's So Funny 'Bout Peace,
Love and Understanding".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTKsJrpRtww
allenk...@hotmail.com
> It used to be that many TV show's had their own theme song for opening
> credits, interludes, etc... Now, that musical component seems largely lost
> on TV.
>
> I was just wondering what recent TV shows have spawned music onto the music
> charts (originals, covers, whatever)?
>
>
It's funny you should ask. It's been about a year since I've posted
an updated list on alt.music.lyrics of songs related to TV series,
including TV themes, that've charted in the U.S. This past week, I
began revising the list (actually, it's now ballooned to three lists),
with an eye toward reposting it. However, since you asked, what I'll
do here is give the complete list of every original TV theme that has
ever been a chart hit. What I mean by that is a tune that was
specifically written as a TV theme (as opposed to a previously
released hit that was later used as a TV theme). I'll try to post all
three lists Monday on alt.music.lyrics. Those lists also include
previous hits that've been TV themes, songs that've sampled TV themes
and songs that charted due to exposure they received on a TV show or
commercial. Until then, enjoy this sneak preview:
ORIGINAL TV THEMES THAT HAVE HIT, OR BUBBLED UNDER, THE BILLBOARD HOT
100 SINGLES CHART
The Ballad of Davy Crockett - Bill Hayes (#1), 'Tennessee' Ernie Ford
(#5), Fess Parker (#5) and the Voices of Walter Schumann (#14) (from
Davy Crockett)
Stranger on the Shore - Mr. Acker Bilk (#1) (from the same-titled
British TV series)
S.W.A.T. - Rhythm Heritage (#1)
Welcome Back - John Sebastian (#1) (from Welcome Back Kotter)
Miami Vice - Jan Hammer (#1)
How Do You Talk To An Angel? - the Heights (#1) (from the Heights)
Believe it or Not - Joey Scarbury (#2) (from the Greatest American
Hero)
Dragnet - Ray Anthony Orchestra (#3)
Secret Agent Man - Johnny Rivers (#3) and the Ventures (#54)
Hawaii Five-O - the Ventures (#4)
Happy Days - Pratt & McClain (#5)
Makin' It - David Naughton (#5)
Peter Gunn - Ray Anthony Orchestra (#8), Duane Eddy (#27), Deodato
(#84) and the Art of Noise featuring Duane Eddy (#50)
Bad Boys - Inner Circle (#8) (from Cops)
Three Stars Will Shine Tonight - Richard Chamberlain (#10) (from Dr.
Kildare)
The Rockford Files - Mike Post (#10)
Hill Street Blues - Mike Post featuring Larry Carlton (#10)
I Don't Want To Be - Gavin DeGraw (#10) (from One Tree Hill)
Closer to Free - BoDeans (#16) (from Party of Five)
Zorro - the Chordettes (#17)
Batman - the Marketts (#17), Neal Hefti (#35) and LaVern Baker (#135)
I'll Be There For You - the Rembrandts (#17) (from Friends)
Different Worlds - Maureen McGovern (#18) (from Angie)
Bonanza - Al Caiola and his Orchestra (#19) and Johnny Cash (#94)
Long Lonesome Highway - Michael Parks (#20) (from Then Came Bronson)
Keep Your Eye on the Sparrow - Rhythm Heritage (#20), Merry Clayton
(#45) and Sammy Davis Jr. (#101) (from Baretta)
Mr. Lucky - Henry Mancini and his Orchestra (#21)
The Dukes of Hazzard - Waylon Jennings (#21)
Moonlighting - Al Jarreau (#23)
Making Our Dreams Come True - Cyndi Grecco (#25) (from Laverne &
Shirley)
Magnum P.I. - Mike Post (#25)
Ben Casey - Valjean (#28)
Blue Star - Felicia Sanders (#29) and the Ventures (#120) (from Medic)
Route 66 - Nelson Riddle and his Orchestra (#30)
Ballad of Paladin - Duane Eddy (#33) (from Have Gun Will Travel)
Seattle - Perry Como (#38) (from Here Come the Brides)
The Men - Isaac Hayes (#38)
Mission: Impossible - Lalo Schifrin (#41), Adam Clayton & Larry
Mullen Jr. (#7) and the Alan Copeland Singers (as part of the medley
'Mission: Impossible theme / Norwegian Wood') (#120)
Those Were the Days - Carroll O'Connor and Jean Stapleton (#43) (from
All in the Family)
The Ballad of Jed Clampett - Lester Flatt, Earl Scruggs & the Foggy
Mountain Boys (#44) (from the Beverly Hillbillies)
Charlie's Angels - Henry Mancini and his Orchestra (#45)
Dynasty - Bill Conti (#52)
My Three Sons - Lawrence Welk (#55)
WKRP in Cincinnati - Steve Carlisle (#65)
77 Sunset Strip - the Big Sound of Don Ralke (#69)
Where Everybody Knows Your Name - Gary Portnoy (#83) (from Cheers)
Dream Along With Me (I'm On My Way to a Star) - Perry Como (#85) (as
part of the double-sided single 'Somebody Up There Likes Me / Dream
Along With Me (I'm on My Way to a Star' - A-side peaked separately at
# 18) (from the Perry Como show)
Hootenanny Saturday Night - the Brothers Four (from Hootenanny) (#89)
The Tra La La Song (One Banana, Two Banana) - the Banana Splits (#96)
(from the Banana Splits)
Chico and the Man - Jose Feliciano (#96)
Adventures in Paradise - Jerry Byrd and his Steel Guitar (#97)
Bewitched - Steve Lawrence (#103) (as part of the double-sided single
'Bewitched / I Will Wait for You' -- B-side peaked separately at #113)
Dallas - Floyd Cramer (#104)
The Rebel - Johnny Yuma - Johnny Cash (#108) (from the Rebel)
Love is All Around - Joan Jett and the Blackhearts (#108) (from Mary
Tyler Moore)
(note that the actual version from the Mary Tyler Moore TV series, as
performed by Sonny Curtis, did not hit, or bubble under, the Billboard
Hot 100 singles chart. It did, however, hit #29 on the country
charts)
Woke Up This Morning - A3 (#109) (from the Sopranos)
Hey, Does Somebody Care - God's Children (#112) (from Matt Lincoln)
Here with Me - Dido (#116) (from Roswell)
Hikky Burr - Part One - Bill Cosby with the Bunions Bradford Band
(from the Bill Cosby Show) (#124)
and
Naked City Theme - Nelson Riddle (#130)
--
Allen Kirshner
(the alt.music.lyrics TV theme guy)
Susan Bartholomew
recall that was a pretty big hit a while back, and it's still played
frequently on the radio...
Obveeus
<allenk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 14, 9:39 pm, "Obveeus" <Obve...@aol.com> wrote:
>> I was just wondering what recent TV shows have spawned music onto the
>> music
>> charts (originals, covers, whatever)?
>
> It's funny you should ask. It's been about a year since I've posted
> an updated list on alt.music.lyrics of songs related to TV series,
> including TV themes, that've charted in the U.S. This past week, I
> began revising the list (actually, it's now ballooned to three lists),
> with an eye toward reposting it. However, since you asked, what I'll
> do here is give the complete list of every original TV theme that has
> ever been a chart hit. What I mean by that is a tune that was
> specifically written as a TV theme (as opposed to a previously
> released hit that was later used as a TV theme). I'll try to post all
> three lists Monday on alt.music.lyrics. Those lists also include
> previous hits that've been TV themes, songs that've sampled TV themes
> and songs that charted due to exposure they received on a TV show or
> commercial. Until then, enjoy this sneak preview:
Much thanks for the list. You might want to consider adding in the year the
song charted.
> How Do You Talk To An Angel? - the Heights (#1) (from the Heights)
> Bad Boys - Inner Circle (#8) (from Cops)
> I Don't Want To Be - Gavin DeGraw (#10) (from One Tree Hill)
> Closer to Free - BoDeans (#16) (from Party of Five)
> I'll Be There For You - the Rembrandts (#17) (from Friends)
> Woke Up This Morning - A3 (#109) (from the Sopranos)
> Here with Me - Dido (#116) (from Roswell)
Seems like the list is pretty short for recent songs.
allenk...@hotmail.com
Since Daniel Powter's song is not specifically a TV theme, it doesn't
qualify for this particular list. However, I do have it included in a
separate list of songs whose chart success (or whose return to chart
success) were as a result of its play either on a TV series or in a
commercial. One of the additions to that list this time around will
be 'Home' by 'Daughtry', whose success was spurred by its use in the
most recent American Idol season, much in the same way Daniel Powter
benefited from the use of 'Bad Day' during the previous season of AI.
As for songs charting, or re-charting due to play in ads, one that
comes to mind is 'Tarzan Boy' by Baltimora. It charted in the 1980s
but managed to re-chart in the 1990s due its use in a Listerine
commercial.
allenk...@hotmail.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yes, sadly the use of the TV theme is waning and has been for some
time. Of the themes that are being used, few are likely considered
radio-friendly and some may not even be on an artist's, or a record
label's, radar for release. The Friends theme was an afterthought
when it was put on a CD by the Rembrandts. In fact, the song would've
been more successful (it was a huge radio hit) had it been
commercially released as a single a couple of months earlier than it
was. At the time of its release and up until some time in the late
1990s, only songs that were commercially available as singles
qualified to chart on the Billboard Hot 100 singles chart. Billboard
decided to change its policy when more and more record companies were
shunning the singles format, hoping that people who liked individual
songs would be willing to shell out for the CD instead of a CD
single. Today, airplay is far more important than singles sales in
the formula the magazine uses to determine its weekly charts. But I
digress.
I'll consider adding years for the next time (after this time) which I
post the lists. Speaking of which, I think I'll do that now.
Mason Barge
it was such a pretty song.
Also, a few of these were definite movie versions. Like IIRC, Steve
Lawrence sang the only sung version of the Bewitched theme for the movie,
although the tune was the same.
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> Have you checked the Dido song used in Roswell? Just a wild stab, because
> it was such a pretty song.
-- I've likely heard the song once or twice but probably wouldn't
recognize it. I never watched the series. Dido does, however, have a
very nice voice.
>
> Also, a few of these were definite movie versions. Like IIRC, Steve
> Lawrence sang the only sung version of the Bewitched theme for the movie,
> although the tune was the same.
>
-- This I'll have to look into further. One of the appendixes to the
list of original TV themes that I have posted in alt.music.lyrics does
include a section on TV themes used in movies. At the moment, it has
only one entry, that being the theme to the Flintstones. It was used
in the first live-action Flintstones film and did chart. If the Steve
Lawrence version of Bewitched is from a movie, then I may have to move
it from the main list to that appendix.
Thanks for the feedback.
Mason Barge
name of the Dido song) in the US, but then, I don't have your expertise.
I'm not sure it was even released here as a single!
Which is a bit odd, because it hit #4 on the UK pop chart. You'd think such
a big hit (in an English language song) would merit a US release.
I'm not sure of the timing, either. The song wasn't written for Roswell, of
that I'm sure (she did a demo of it in 1998), so it may not qualify for your
list. It was released on her debut album the same year as Roswell started
(1999).
I do know it wasn't released as a single until 2001, during or after
Roswell's second season.
P.S. You should try Roswell if you can tolerate high-school
supernatural/angst shows (think Buffy). Not for everyone, but it's a huge
cult favorite.
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Obveeus
"Mason Barge" <mason...@comcast.net> wrote:
>I did a quick check and can't find a chart listing for "Here with Me" (the
>name of the Dido song) in the US, but then, I don't have your expertise.
>I'm not sure it was even released here as a single!
If you re-read the original post he made in this thread, it shows the Dido
song as charting to #116 (bubbling under, I guess) in the US. It is almost
the last song mentioned in his first post to this thread.
Mason Barge
Thx for pointing that out.
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Nancy2
> It's funny you should ask. It's been about a year since I've posted
> an updated list on alt.music.lyrics of songs related to TV series,
> including TV themes, that've charted in the U.S. This past week, I
> (the alt.music.lyrics TV theme guy)
Do you know what the theme music is for the Chrysler Town & Country
commercials? This particular one has vocals; others have the same
music without vocals.
N.
Joshua Kreitzer
The theme from "Mission: Impossible" as recorded by Adam Clayton &
Larry Mullen, which is on your main list, was a version recorded for
the movie.
Joshua Kreitzer
grom...@hotmail.com
allenk...@hotmail.com
-- From what I've been able to find out, an act called 'Aqualung' (aka
singer Matt Hales) has a couple of songs being used in Chrysler ads
at the moment. One is called 'Left Behind'. It's apparently being
used in a commercial promoting the Sebring. The other song is 'Easier
to Lie' but I haven't been able to attribute that one to a particular
car model. I'm willing to bet it's one of these tunes.
--
Allen Kirshner
(the alt.music.lyrics TV themes)
allenk...@hotmail.com
> I did a quick check and can't find a chart listing for "Here with Me" (the
> name of the Dido song) in the US, but then, I don't have your expertise.
> I'm not sure it was even released here as a single!
>
-- Since someone else partially answered this question, I will just
add that my source book for the info is 'Bubbling Under the Billboard
Hot 100, 1959-2004'. The song is actually an album cut and was not
released as a single. But, it came out subsequent to Billboard's
policy change regarding singles being able to chart regardless of a
commercial release and thus was able to chart.
> Which is a bit odd, because it hit #4 on the UK pop chart. You'd think such
> a big hit (in an English language song) would merit a US release.
>
> I'm not sure of the timing, either. The song wasn't written for Roswell, of
> that I'm sure (she did a demo of it in 1998), so it may not qualify for your
> list. It was released on her debut album the same year as Roswell started
> (1999).
>
-- There are a couple of close calls in this respect. This is one,
the Gavin DeGraw entry is another. However, since the timing of the
songs' popularity is so close with the timing each respective show
(Roswell & One Tree Hill) began, I'm giving both entries the benefit
of the doubt that they really gained popularity as a result of being
used as themes and have included them in the list of original releases
charting as TV show themes.
> I do know it wasn't released as a single until 2001, during or after
> Roswell's second season.
>
> P.S. You should try Roswell if you can tolerate high-school
> supernatural/angst shows (think Buffy). Not for everyone, but it's a huge
> cult favorite.
>
-- I appreciate the recommendation. Truth be told, I'm maybe a little
old to really connect with today's high school scene, even as it's
represented on TV. Thanks, anyways.
allenk...@hotmail.com
-- You're correct. What I've done for the list and, for clarification
purposes, I'll add the explanation in the preamble the next time I
post all three lists in alt.music.lyrics, is include all versions of
an original song used as a TV theme that''ve charted so long as at
least one is the actual TV version.
Thanks for taking the time to post.
sueb
What about Quentin's Theme from Dark Shadows? It hit the charts in
the late 60's. It wasn't the theme song for the show but it was a
song (called a theme) from a TV show. I don't know the artist.
Susan B.
Mason Barge
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>> P.S. You should try Roswell if you can tolerate high-school
>> supernatural/angst shows (think Buffy). Not for everyone, but it's a huge
>> cult favorite.
>>
> -- I appreciate the recommendation. Truth be told, I'm maybe a little
> old to really connect with today's high school scene, even as it's
> represented on TV. Thanks, anyways.
>
Bah. Bet you a dollar you're younger than I am. But it still may not be
your cuppa tea.
allenk...@hotmail.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
-- You're correct it did hit the charts and I do have included as part
of the list entitled 'Non-theme song, TV-related chart hits',
currently posted on 'alt.music.lyrics'. Here's the entry for that
particular song:
'The song 'Quentin's Theme' (a.k.a. Shadows of the Night), by Charles
Randolph Greane Sound and covered by the Robert Cobert Orchestra, was
incorporated into the TV series 'Dark Shadows'. The original hit
#13,
the cover hit #125.'
allenk...@hotmail.com
> <allenkirsh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
-- Well, let's put it this way. I'm just old enough to have missed
being in my teens when Beverly Hills 90210 rolled onto the scene in
1990 and thus never got into that series, either. That's in keeping
with our teen-targeted TV show reference theme (Roswell, BH90210 and
so on). I may not yet be 40 but I'm now closer to it than I am to 30
(not to mention 35) :-).
Barbara Bailey
How about "Nadia's Theme" aka the Theme from "the Young and The
Restless"? It *was* the show's theme song for at least a year before
it became Nadia Comaneci's Olympic performance music.
From Wikipedia:
"Nadia's Theme" is a piece of music composed by Barry De Vorzon and
Perry Botkin, Jr. that currently serves as the theme music to the
American television soap opera The Young and the Restless.
The melody, originally titled "Cotton's Dream", was written by De
Vorzon and Botkin as incidental music for the 1971 theatrical film
Bless the Beasts and Children. Two years later, Botkin wrote a
rearranged version of the piece for The Young and the Restless; the
show debuted on March 26, 1973. The melody was later renamed "Nadia's
Theme" after the ABC television network lent the music for Romanian
gymnast Nadia Comaneci's performance during the 1976 Summer
Olympics.[1]
About one month after the 1976 Olympics, the song was released as a
single by A&M Records, with its B-side containing an instrumental of
De Vorzon's song, "Down the Line.". It soared to up to position number
8 on the Billboard Music Charts by December of 1976, in part because
of its association with Comaneci.
allenk...@hotmail.com
> How about "Nadia's Theme" aka the Theme from "the Young and The
> Restless"? It *was* the show's theme song for at least a year before
> it became Nadia Comaneci's Olympic performance music.
>
> From Wikipedia:
> "Nadia's Theme" is a piece of music composed by Barry De Vorzon and
> Perry Botkin, Jr. that currently serves as the theme music to the
> American television soap opera The Young and the Restless.
>
> The melody, originally titled "Cotton's Dream", was written by De
> Vorzon and Botkin as incidental music for the 1971 theatrical film
> Bless the Beasts and Children. Two years later, Botkin wrote a
> rearranged version of the piece for The Young and the Restless; the
> show debuted on March 26, 1973. The melody was later renamed "Nadia's
> Theme" after the ABC television network lent the music for Romanian
> gymnast Nadia Comaneci's performance during the 1976 Summer
> Olympics.[1]
>
> About one month after the 1976 Olympics, the song was released as a
> single by A&M Records, with its B-side containing an instrumental of
> De Vorzon's song, "Down the Line.". It soared to up to position number
> 8 on the Billboard Music Charts by December of 1976, in part because
>
> - Show quoted text -
-- This was another judgement call on my part. I don't have the song
listed as an entry in the original TV theme songs that charted list
but I do have it in the list of previous hits that later became TV
theme songs. I suppose it might be more accurate to refer to it as a
previous release that was later used as a theme. It's use in the
movie you noted was the reason I put it in the 'Previous Hits' list.
By the way, the theme to the Young and the Restless was sampled in the
Mary J. Blige song 'No More Drama', which hit #15 on the Billboard
charts. I should have that song listed in an appendix to my list of
original TV themes that've charted --one that lists charted songs
that've sampled TV themes. It can be viewed in alt.music.lyrics.
(Apologies, by the way, for repeating myself over and over on that
point in postings to this thread.) HOWEVER, much to my chagrin, I've
incorrectly attributed the sample to a different Mary J. Blige song
and will have to amend that in my next posting of all the lists.
Thanks for the comment, for all the good info and for indirectly
helping me catch a mistake!
DonnaB shallotpeel
<aq3dh3hcdn3becqo9...@4ax.com>, Barbara Bailey
<rabr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[snipping]
> How about "Nadia's Theme" aka the Theme from "the Young and The
> Restless"? It *was* the show's theme song for at least a year before
> it became Nadia Comaneci's Olympic performance music.
>
> From Wikipedia:
> "Nadia's Theme" is a piece of music composed by Barry De Vorzon and
> Perry Botkin, Jr. that currently serves as the theme music to the
> American television soap opera The Young and the Restless.
>
> The melody, originally titled "Cotton's Dream", was written by De
> Vorzon and Botkin as incidental music for the 1971 theatrical film
> Bless the Beasts and Children. Two years later, Botkin wrote a
> rearranged version of the piece for The Young and the Restless; the
> show debuted on March 26, 1973. The melody was later renamed "Nadia's
> Theme" after the ABC television network lent the music for Romanian
> gymnast Nadia Comaneci's performance during the 1976 Summer
> Olympics.[1]
Why does ABC figure in here at all?
--
DonnaB shallotpeel
"To read means to borrow; to create out of one's readings is paying off
one's debts." - Georg Christoph Lichtenberg (1742-1799) APHORISMS [1764-
1799]
Barbara Bailey
It was the TV theme before it was a hit. It isn't a previous hit that
became a theme song.
It was incidental music in the movie before it was used as the TV
theme. But it was the TV theme that was released and charted to #8,
even though it was more associated with Nadia than with the TV show at
the time the single was released.
What I don't know is how severely it was reworked between _Bless the
Beasts and Children_ and _The Young and The Restless_. As "Cotton's
Dream", it was only released as a cut on the _Bless the Beasts_
sountrack album, never as a single.
So the timeline is:
1971: "Cotton's Dream" in _Bless the Beasts and Children_. Not a hit,
not a single.
1973: Reworked and used as the theme for _The Young and The Restless_
Sources vary as to whether it was "reworked", "rescored" by Perry
Botkin Jr, or simply used as is for Y&R.
Summer 1976: Used by ABC Sports to accompany the replay footage of
Nadia's perfect 10 on the horizontal bars; identified on air as "The
Theme from The Young and The Restless"; becomes identified as "Nadia's
Theme" by non-Y&R viewers. Barry Devorzon says that the actual music
played was in fact "Cotton's Dream," from the _Bless the Beasts and
Children_ soundtrack; other sources say that it was the Y&R theme that
was used.
December 1976: released as a single; charts to #8 as "Nadia's Theme
(The Young & The Restless)" - Barry DeVorzon & Perry Botkin, Jr. (#8)
(instrumental)
So it was the theme before it was the hit, and it *was* identified as
a TV theme on the single.
The big questions are: How different is "Cotton's Dream" from "The
Young and The Restless"? Which one was used with the footage of
Nadia? Which one was released as "Nadia's Theme (The Young and The
Restless)"? I can find the opening theme from Y&R online, but I can't
find either the original ABC Olympic footage or the _Bless the Beasts
and Children_ soundtrack album to compare it with.
DonnaB shallotpeel
<0bjdh39401363b035...@4ax.com>, Barbara Bailey
<rabr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[snipped]
> It was the TV theme before it was a hit. It isn't a previous hit that
> became a theme song.
>
> It was incidental music in the movie before it was used as the TV
> theme. But it was the TV theme that was released and charted to #8,
> even though it was more associated with Nadia than with the TV show at
> the time the single was released.
>
> What I don't know is how severely it was reworked between _Bless the
> Beasts and Children_ and _The Young and The Restless_. As "Cotton's
> Dream", it was only released as a cut on the _Bless the Beasts_
> sountrack album, never as a single.
>
> So the timeline is:
> 1971: "Cotton's Dream" in _Bless the Beasts and Children_. Not a hit,
> not a single.
>
> 1973: Reworked and used as the theme for _The Young and The Restless_
> Sources vary as to whether it was "reworked", "rescored" by Perry
> Botkin Jr, or simply used as is for Y&R.
>
> Summer 1976: Used by ABC Sports to accompany the replay footage of
> Nadia's perfect 10 on the horizontal bars; identified on air as "The
> Theme from The Young and The Restless"; becomes identified as "Nadia's
> Theme" by non-Y&R viewers. Barry Devorzon says that the actual music
> played was in fact "Cotton's Dream," from the _Bless the Beasts and
> Children_ soundtrack; other sources say that it was the Y&R theme that
> was used.
So, the question is germane: who gave ABC permission to use what?
[snipped]
> The big questions are: How different is "Cotton's Dream" from "The
> Young and The Restless"? Which one was used with the footage of
> Nadia? Which one was released as "Nadia's Theme (The Young and The
> Restless)"? I can find the opening theme from Y&R online, but I can't
> find either the original ABC Olympic footage or the _Bless the Beasts
> and Children_ soundtrack album to compare it with.
--
DonnaB shallotpeel
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part of my struggle for survival. It gave me the little distance from
myself that I needed to keep from drowning in my despair." - Henri Nouwen
Tony Calguire
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>
> Why does ABC figure in here at all?
>
ABC was the network that broadcast the Montreal Olympics. According to the
other posters in this thread, it was ABC's decision to use this music as
part of it's gymnastics coverage. It was apparently not Nadia's choice or
the choice of the Romanian team, as I'd always believed.
Do I have that right?
Barbara Bailey
<shall...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Barbara Bailey wrote:
[more snipped]
>> So the timeline is:
>> 1971: "Cotton's Dream" in _Bless the Beasts and Children_. Not a hit,
>> not a single.
>>
>> 1973: Reworked and used as the theme for _The Young and The Restless_
>> Sources vary as to whether it was "reworked", "rescored" by Perry
>> Botkin Jr, or simply used as is for Y&R.
>>
>> Summer 1976: Used by ABC Sports to accompany the replay footage of
>> Nadia's perfect 10 on the horizontal bars; identified on air as "The
>> Theme from The Young and The Restless"; becomes identified as "Nadia's
>> Theme" by non-Y&R viewers. Barry Devorzon says that the actual music
>> played was in fact "Cotton's Dream," from the _Bless the Beasts and
>> Children_ soundtrack; other sources say that it was the Y&R theme that
>> was used.
>
>So, the question is germane: who gave ABC permission to use what?
That leads to a secondary question: did ABC even ask permission?
Y&R was (and is) a CBS show, the _Bless the Beasts and Children_
soundtrack was released on A&M, and the single of Nadia's Theme (The
Young and The Restless) was also released by A&M. At the time, A&M
was not owned by any other company.
Logistically speaking, I believe that it would be substantially easier
for ABC Sports to get quick permission from A&M than from CBS.
>[snipped]
>
>> The big questions are: How different is "Cotton's Dream" from "The
>> Young and The Restless"? Which one was used with the footage of
>> Nadia? Which one was released as "Nadia's Theme (The Young and The
>> Restless)"? I can find the opening theme from Y&R online, but I can't
>> find either the original ABC Olympic footage or the _Bless the Beasts
>> and Children_ soundtrack album to compare it with.
In a bit more digging, I did find several videos of the perfect 10
bars routine on youtube, one with what is clearly the Y&R opening
theme, and one with the same melody in a very slightly different
arrangement, less lush and with the opening bars played by a single
piano rather than the string section of the Y&R arrangement. But both
of these are videos that were made by individuals, since neither is
the slow-motion replay that the music was first used under (the double
horizontal bars is not performed to music in the Olympics.)
Barbara Bailey
<shall...@comcast.net> wrote:
>In rec.arts.tv on Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:44:30 -0500 in Msg.#
><aq3dh3hcdn3becqo9...@4ax.com>, Barbara Bailey
><rabr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>[snipping]
>
>> How about "Nadia's Theme" aka the Theme from "the Young and The
>> Restless"? It *was* the show's theme song for at least a year before
>> it became Nadia Comaneci's Olympic performance music.
>>
>> From Wikipedia:
>> "Nadia's Theme" is a piece of music composed by Barry De Vorzon and
>> Perry Botkin, Jr. that currently serves as the theme music to the
>> American television soap opera The Young and the Restless.
>>
>> The melody, originally titled "Cotton's Dream", was written by De
>> Vorzon and Botkin as incidental music for the 1971 theatrical film
>> Bless the Beasts and Children. Two years later, Botkin wrote a
>> rearranged version of the piece for The Young and the Restless; the
>> show debuted on March 26, 1973. The melody was later renamed "Nadia's
>> Theme" after the ABC television network lent the music for Romanian
>> gymnast Nadia Comaneci's performance during the 1976 Summer
>> Olympics.[1]
>
>Why does ABC figure in here at all?
That's a bobble on the part of the Wikipedia writer. ABC *used* the
music, they didn't *lend* it.
DonnaB shallotpeel
<Xns99CD12...@127.0.0.1>, Tony Calguire <calg...@tcfreenet.invalid>
wrote:
I saw what's been posted, but that doesn't address who released *something*
to ABC for that purpose. And, I'm frankly surprised that Y&R didn't have it
locked up for any broadcast rights that were anything remotely close to its
own use of *whatever*.
--
DonnaB shallotpeel
"There is no substitute for the comfort supplied by the utterly taken-for-
granted relationship." - Iris Murdoch (1919-1999) A SEVERED HEAD [1961],
Chapter 28
DonnaB shallotpeel
<bdodh31i75csc5p0o...@4ax.com>, Barbara Bailey
<rabr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 00:23:37 -0400, DonnaB shallotpeel
> <shall...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Barbara Bailey wrote:
>
> [more snipped]
>
> >> So the timeline is:
> >> 1971: "Cotton's Dream" in _Bless the Beasts and Children_. Not a hit,
> >> not a single.
> >>
> >> 1973: Reworked and used as the theme for _The Young and The Restless_
> >> Sources vary as to whether it was "reworked", "rescored" by Perry
> >> Botkin Jr, or simply used as is for Y&R.
> >>
> >> Summer 1976: Used by ABC Sports to accompany the replay footage of
> >> Nadia's perfect 10 on the horizontal bars; identified on air as "The
> >> Theme from The Young and The Restless"; becomes identified as "Nadia's
> >> Theme" by non-Y&R viewers. Barry Devorzon says that the actual music
> >> played was in fact "Cotton's Dream," from the _Bless the Beasts and
> >> Children_ soundtrack; other sources say that it was the Y&R theme that
> >> was used.
> >
> >So, the question is germane: who gave ABC permission to use what?
>
> That leads to a secondary question: did ABC even ask permission?
Surely they would have if for no other reason to negotiate a fee.
> Y&R was (and is) a CBS show, the _Bless the Beasts and Children_
> soundtrack was released on A&M, and the single of Nadia's Theme (The
> Young and The Restless) was also released by A&M. At the time, A&M
> was not owned by any other company.
>
> Logistically speaking, I believe that it would be substantially easier
> for ABC Sports to get quick permission from A&M than from CBS.
Well, for that matter, CBS doesn't own Y&R so that could potentially add in
one more party. At that time that party would have been the Bell family
corporation. (Now Y&R is owned by the Bell family corporation and Sony.)
> >[snipped]
> >
> >> The big questions are: How different is "Cotton's Dream" from "The
> >> Young and The Restless"? Which one was used with the footage of
> >> Nadia? Which one was released as "Nadia's Theme (The Young and The
> >> Restless)"? I can find the opening theme from Y&R online, but I can't
> >> find either the original ABC Olympic footage or the _Bless the Beasts
> >> and Children_ soundtrack album to compare it with.
>
> In a bit more digging, I did find several videos of the perfect 10
> bars routine on youtube, one with what is clearly the Y&R opening
> theme, and one with the same melody in a very slightly different
> arrangement, less lush and with the opening bars played by a single
> piano rather than the string section of the Y&R arrangement. But both
> of these are videos that were made by individuals, since neither is
> the slow-motion replay that the music was first used under (the double
> horizontal bars is not performed to music in the Olympics.)
This is interesting. <G>
--
DonnaB shallotpeel
"There are days when any electrical appliance in the house, including the
vacuum cleaner, seems to offer more entertainment possibilities than the TV
set." - Harriet Van Horne
Barbara Bailey
You do indeed have it right. The uneven bars (or double horizontal
bars as they're sometimes called) do not have accompanying music in
competition. In 1976, only the floor exercises were set to music.
Barbara Bailey
<shall...@comcast.net> wrote:
>In rec.arts.tv on Thu, 18 Oct 2007 00:10:10 -0500 in Msg.#
><bdodh31i75csc5p0o...@4ax.com>, Barbara Bailey
><rabr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 00:23:37 -0400, DonnaB shallotpeel
>> <shall...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> >>
>> >> Summer 1976: Used by ABC Sports to accompany the replay footage of
>> >> Nadia's perfect 10 on the horizontal bars; identified on air as "The
>> >> Theme from The Young and The Restless"; becomes identified as "Nadia's
>> >> Theme" by non-Y&R viewers. Barry Devorzon says that the actual music
>> >> played was in fact "Cotton's Dream," from the _Bless the Beasts and
>> >> Children_ soundtrack; other sources say that it was the Y&R theme that
>> >> was used.
>> >
>> >So, the question is germane: who gave ABC permission to use what?
>>
>> That leads to a secondary question: did ABC even ask permission?
>
>Surely they would have if for no other reason to negotiate a fee.
Using music from a previously released record would require the
payment of royalties, but not necessarily prior permission. I'm
certain that ABC Sports would have already had an agreement in place
with ASCAP and BMI, which are the organizations that handle collecting
royalties for broadcast use of recorded music. They did use music
quite effectively in both the recap coverage of the actual events and
in the "Up-Close & Personal" segments, as well as in other ABC Sports
presentations throughout the year.
>
>> Y&R was (and is) a CBS show, the _Bless the Beasts and Children_
>> soundtrack was released on A&M, and the single of Nadia's Theme (The
>> Young and The Restless) was also released by A&M. At the time, A&M
>> was not owned by any other company.
>>
>> Logistically speaking, I believe that it would be substantially easier
>> for ABC Sports to get quick permission from A&M than from CBS.
>
>Well, for that matter, CBS doesn't own Y&R so that could potentially add in
>one more party. At that time that party would have been the Bell family
>corporation. (Now Y&R is owned by the Bell family corporation and Sony.)
Yeah, it would have been sticky using the Y&R theme any way it was
done.
Mason Barge
<allenk...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1192659946....@v23g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
Haha, not close. Clearly this is a question of personality or taste in
entertainment, not age. The only tv shows I own on DVD are Buffy and Angel,
but 90210 bored me. But I have to admit a weakness for high school dramas
like Fast Times at Ridgemont High, Breakfast Club, Dazed and Confused, and
on ad nauseum.
But I do like theme songs. I think my favorites are the million western
themes from the 50's and 60's. They really knew how to use music to brand a
show, if you'll excuse the expression.
I'm surprised "Rawhide" didn't find its way onto the list.
allenk...@hotmail.com
-- Well, I guess I'm glad I'm not the oldest poster around although I
suppose it's probably fair to assume the average age for newsgroup
posters skews a little older than it does elsewhere on the internet.
I'm more partial to late 70s and early 80s themes, myself,
particularly sitcoms. The uptempo stuff (Happy Days and Laverne &
Shirley in the 70s, Who's the Boss and Growing Pains in the 80s) are
among the better efforts. By the way, I can confirm that the Rawhide
theme did not hit the charts. From what I was able to find out,
Frankie Laine sang it and it's included on his 1961 album 'Hell Bent
for Leather!'. A cover version by the Blues Brothers also did not
chart.
Nancy2
Thanks - I sent the question to Chrysler, but they didn't even refer
me to their ad agency.
N.
allenk...@hotmail.com
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