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This sessionography includes all officially released tracks recorded by the
Byrds between the time of their initial signing with the CBS label in 1964 and
the breakup of the band in 1972. It does not include any of the World Pacific
demos or tracks issued as "The Beefeaters" recorded prior to the CBS contract,
nor does it include any tracks recorded by some or all of the original members
after the breakup of the last CBS Byrds group in 1972. Any songs recorded but
not released on a legitimate label are also not included.

When a song title is followed by a letter in parentheses, it indicates that
the track is either an outtake or an alternate version of a previously released
song; tracks so marked were released on various compilation discs long after
the breakup of the group. The letters are keys to footnotes found at the end
of the list that detail which CDs contain these tracks. In the cases where
alternate versions of a song were released during the group's career, each
version is listed separately and explained or footnoted. (Alternate versions
of a song are considered to be ones in which both the vocal and instrumental
tracks of the songs differ. Versions which differ only in the vocal track
or the mix are footnoted but not listed separately.)

When a track was worked on during more than one session, it is listed under
the recording date of its initial session. In cases where several tracks
are listed under one recording date, it often indicates that the tracks were
worked on during sessions spanning several days (beginning on the date noted);
the songs are listed roughly in the order they were worked on.

Recording
Date
---------

01-20-65 Mr. Tambourine Man/I Knew I'd Want You

03-08-65 All I Really Want To Do (LP version)/She Has A Way (C)

04-14-65 It's No Use/The Bells Of Rhymney/I'll Feel A Whole Lot Better
You Won't Have To Cry/Spanish Harlem Incident/We'll Meet Again
All I Really Want To Do (45 version)

04-22-65 Chimes Of Freedom/Don't Doubt Yourself, Babe/Here Without You

06-28-65 She Don't Care About Time (A)

08-23-65 She Don't Care About Time/It's All Over Now, Baby Blue (C)

09-01-65 The Times They Are A-Changin'/Turn! Turn! Turn!

09-10-65 The World Turns All Around Her

09-14-65 It Won't Be Wrong/Satisfied Mind/Set You Free This Time
The Day Walk (aka Never Before) (C)

10-01-65 Wait And See/Oh! Susannah

10-20-65 If You're Gone/Lay Down Your Weary Tune

11-01-65 He Was A Friend Of Mine

12-22-65 Why (B)/Eight Miles High (B)

01-24-66 Why (45 version)/Eight Miles High

04-28-66 I Know My Rider (C)/Mr. Spaceman/What's Happening?!?!
2-4-2 Fox Trot (The Lear Jet Song)/John Riley/Wild Mountain Thyme
Hey Joe/I Come And Stand At Every Door/I See You/Captain Soul

05-25-66 5D

06-28-66 Psychodrama City (C)

11-28-66 So You Want To Be A Rock 'N' Roll Star/Have You Seen Her Face
Time Between/Mind Gardens/CTA-102

12-05-66 My Back Pages/Thoughts And Words/Renaissance Fair
Everybody's Been Burned/It Happens Each Day (C)
The Girl With No Name/Why (LP version)

02-xx-67 Roll Over Beethoven (live) (A)

04-26-67 Don't Make Waves/Lady Friend

06-14-67 Old John Robertson (*)

07-31-67 Change Is Now/Draft Morning

08-14-67 Dolphins Smile/Tribal Gathering/Triad (C)

09-09-67 Goin' Back

10-23-67 Space Odyssey/Moog Raga (B)

11-13-67 Get To You/Flight 713 (B)

11-29-67 Natural Harmony/Wasn't Born To Follow

12-05-67 Artificial Energy

03-09-68 You Ain't Going Nowhere/Hickory Wind

03-11-68 Lazy Days (A)/Pretty Boy Floyd

03-13-68 I Am A Pilgrim/Pretty Polly (A)

03-14-68 Reputation (A)/Nothing Was Delivered

04-04-68 Life In Prison

04-15-68 You Don't Miss Your Water (*)/The Christian Life (*)
You're Still On My Mind/Blue Canadian Rockies

05-27-68 One Hundred Years From Now (*)

10-07-68 Old Blue/King Apathy III

10-08-68 Drug Store Truck Drivin' Man

10-14-68 Your Gentle Way of Loving Me

10-15-68 Nashville West/Bad Night At The Whiskey

10-16-68 Stanley's Song (A)

12-04-68 This Wheel's On Fire/Medley: My Back Pages; B.J. Blues;
Baby, What Do You Want Me To Do/Child Of The Universe/Candy

03-27-69 Lay Lady Lay*

06-17-69 Jesus Is Just Alright

06-18-69 Ballad Of Easy Rider/Jack Tarr The Sailor

06-19-69 Oil In My Lamp (A)/Deportee

06-23-69 Way Beyond The Sun (A)

06-24-69 There Must Be Someone

07-01-69 Oil In My Lamp

07-22-69 It's All Over Now, Baby Blue

07-23-69 Tulsa County Blue

07-24-69 Gunga Din

07-28-69 Mae Jean Goes To Hollywood (A)

08-15-69 Fido

08-26-69 Armstrong, Aldrin And Collins

01-xx-70 Lover Of The Bayou/Positively 4th Street/Nashville West
So You Want To Be A Rock 'N' Roll Star/Mr. Tambourine Man
Mr. Spaceman/Eight Miles High (all tracks live)

02-28-70 Lover Of The Bayou (A)/Willin' (A)/Black Mountain Rag (A)
(all tracks live)

05-26-70 All The Things/White's Lightning (aka 15 Minute Jam) (A)
You All Look Alike/Yesterday's Train/Hungry Planet
Well Come Back Home

06-01-70 Take A Whiff On Me/Just A Season/Chestnut Mare/Kathleen's Song (*)
Truck Stop Girl

06-11-70 Just Like A Woman (A)

10-06-70 I Trust

01-09-71 My Destiny

01-11-71 Citizen Kane/Absolute Happiness/Tunnel Of Love

01-17-71 Jamaica Say You Will/Glory, Glory

01-19-71 I Wanna Grow Up To Be A Politician

01-24-71 Green Apple Quick Step

01-26-71 Pale Blue

08-xx-71 Farther Along/So Fine/Get Down Your Line/Precious Kate/Lazy Waters
Buglar/Antique Sandy/America's Great National Pastime
Bristol Steam Convention Blues/Tiffany Queen/B.B. Class Road

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Footnotes:

(A) Indicates track is found on 1990 4-CD boxed set (CBS C4K 46773)

(B) Indicates track is found on 1989 "Never Before" CD (Murray Hill D22808)

(C) Indicates track is found on both (A) and (B) above (mixes may differ)

(*) The mixes of the single and LP versions of "Old John Robertson" are
different; the latter contains added phasing effects.

The version of "Lay Lady Lay" found on the 4-CD boxed set does not
include the female vocal overdubs of the original release.

"You Don't Miss Your Water", "The Christian Life", and "One Hundred
Years From Now" were all initially recorded with Gram Parsons supplying
the lead vocals. Due to a contractual dispute, Roger McGuinn re-recorded
the vocals, and the versions with McGuinn singing lead appeared on the
subsequently issued "Sweetheart Of The Rodeo" album. The versions of
these three songs with the original Gram Parsons vocals appear on the
4-CD boxed set.

The version of "Kathleen's Song" found on the 4-CD boxed set does not
include the orchestrated overdubs added to the version originally
released.

Alternate versions of "Don't Make Waves" and "The Ballad Of Easy Rider"
appear on the soundtracks of those films; they are not otherwise noted
here.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Sources: "Timeless Flight" -- The Definitive Biography of the Byrds
Johnny Rogan, Square One Books Ltd., 1990 ISBN 1 872747 00 0

Booklet accompanying CBS 4-CD boxed set.
CBS, 1990

Booklet accompanying Murray Hill "Never Before" CD.
Outlet Book Company, 1989

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Richard Shapiro

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In article <1991Jul22....@pa.dec.com> mikk...@breakr.enet.dec.com (snopes) writes:
>[a very nice listing of Byrds' sessions]

>...Any songs recorded but


>not released on a legitimate label are also not included.


The obvious questions is: how many such songs are there in
circulation. For the 1965-67 period, I can only think of a few. There
are the remaining tracks from the Stockholm broadcast ("Roll Over
Beethoven", probably the worst of the lot, was released on THE BYRDS
box set; the complete show, which runs around 20 minutes, is available
in high quality sound from The Swinging Pig); and there are three
studio outtakes that have appeared (in atrocious sound) on assorted
bootlegs: an instrumental backing track for "Turn Turn Turn", a third
version of "Eight Miles High", and an instrumental which may be
"Milestones" (it's vaguely suggestive of the Miles Davis tune by that
name; and there is a session listing for this song, from 1967).


Are there any others? Are there any decent recordings of the three
studio tracks I mentioned?

Note: at least one Byrds boot contains two Dylan covers which are
almost certainly not The Byrds at all (featuring an electric 12-string
guitar played Searchers-style rather than McGuinn-style, and a female
vocalist). I guess the combination of 12-string and Dylan authorship
confused the bootleggers...

snopes

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In article <1991Jul22....@arris.com>,
rsha...@arris.com (Richard Shapiro) writes...

>and there are three studio outtakes that have appeared (in atrocious sound)
>on assorted bootlegs: an instrumental backing track for "Turn Turn Turn", a
>third version of "Eight Miles High", and an instrumental which may be
>"Milestones" (it's vaguely suggestive of the Miles Davis tune by that
>name; and there is a session listing for this song, from 1967).

The people who compiled the CBS boxed set claimed that the full instrumental
track for "Turn! Turn! Turn!" couldn't be found. Of course, since there were
80+ takes of the song, there's bound to be quite a few backing tracks floating
around.

There is a third version of "Eight Miles High", but it's only slightly
different than the released version.

There is some confusion over whether the track called "Milestones" was
actually given that name, or whether it was somehow confused with the
Miles Davis album of the same name.

>Note: at least one Byrds boot contains two Dylan covers which are
>almost certainly not The Byrds at all (featuring an electric 12-string
>guitar played Searchers-style rather than McGuinn-style, and a female
>vocalist). I guess the combination of 12-string and Dylan authorship
>confused the bootleggers...

This sounds like the demo tapes that Jim Dickson had prepared for the Byrds
while they were trying to decide on a follow-up to "All I Really Want To Do"
(and abortively attempted "It's All Over Now, Baby Blue"). If you name the
two tracks, I can tell for sure.

- snopes

Dan Parmenter

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On the subject of Byrds boots, I have a few questions about some of
them. I have one which is allegedly The Byrds and REM. As near as I
can tell, it's McGuinn and some backing musicians who might be members
of REM. The quality is terrible. Does anyone know if this is for
real?

Also, I've seen at least one Byrds bootleg that is purportedly from the
Gram Parsons period and also claims to have Doug Dillard asa a member.
Is this session worth owning? I've never heard any shows from this
period and am considering buying this boot. for that matter, are
there any boots from their Grand Ole Opry appearance?

- Dan
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Richard Shapiro

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>>Note: at least one Byrds boot contains two Dylan covers which are
>>almost certainly not The Byrds at all (featuring an electric 12-string
>>guitar played Searchers-style rather than McGuinn-style, and a female
>>vocalist). I guess the combination of 12-string and Dylan authorship
>>confused the bootleggers...
>
>This sounds like the demo tapes that Jim Dickson had prepared for the Byrds
>while they were trying to decide on a follow-up to "All I Really Want To Do"
>(and abortively attempted "It's All Over Now, Baby Blue"). If you name the
>two tracks, I can tell for sure.


The two that appear on BYRDS ON THE WYNG are "I Don't Believe You"
(the producer or engineer refers to it as "I Don't Believe Me") and
"Baby Blue". The instrumentation is the aforementioned 12-string,
dobro, bass, drums, tambourine, possibly a second guitar.

So why were new demos needed, given that the Byrds had access to
Dylan's own demos (and of course his released recordings)? And, who is
that female vocalist? I have the nagging feeling I should recognize
her voice, but I just can't place it.


Btw, I thought of one more Byrds (or maybe pre-Byrds) track: a version
of "You Movin" that's different from the one on PREFLYTE (duplicated
on IN THE BEGINNING). Most likely it's another of the 1964 pre-Byrds
demos, but something about the lead guitar makes it sound like it
comes from a bit later, say a Columbia outtake from 1965.

Richard Shapiro

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In article <1991Jul22.2...@pa.dec.com> mikk...@breakr.enet.dec.com (snopes) writes:
>
>In article <DAN.91Ju...@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu>,
> d...@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Dan Parmenter) writes...

>>Also, I've seen at least one Byrds bootleg that is purportedly from the
>>Gram Parsons period and also claims to have Doug Dillard asa a member.
>>Is this session worth owning? I've never heard any shows from this
>>period and am considering buying this boot. for that matter, are
>>there any boots from their Grand Ole Opry appearance?
>
>I don't know of any boots from their Grand Ole Opry appearance. I think the
>"Live at the Piper Club" boot includes Gram Parsons, but I don't actually have
>a copy, so I can't say for sure.


The Piper Club boot has Parsons and Dillard, so presumably this the
one Dan is asking about. The sound is *bad* (and I'm pretty generous
when it comes to boot sound), the speed is off (too fast), and the
performance is disappointing, aside from a couple of Parsons vocals.
You don't want to spend good money on this, unless you need to have
everything by GP. Now, if you want a good Parsons boot, I recommend
the Flying Burrito Brothers Live At Winterland 1969.

snopes

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In article <DAN.91Ju...@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu>,
d...@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Dan Parmenter) writes...

>On the subject of Byrds boots, I have a few questions about some of


>them. I have one which is allegedly The Byrds and REM. As near as I
>can tell, it's McGuinn and some backing musicians who might be members
>of REM. The quality is terrible. Does anyone know if this is for
>real?

How recent is it? Are you sure it's not McGuinn and Crowded House?

>Also, I've seen at least one Byrds bootleg that is purportedly from the
>Gram Parsons period and also claims to have Doug Dillard asa a member.
>Is this session worth owning? I've never heard any shows from this
>period and am considering buying this boot. for that matter, are
>there any boots from their Grand Ole Opry appearance?

I don't know of any boots from their Grand Ole Opry appearance. I think the
"Live at the Piper Club" boot includes Gram Parsons, but I don't actually have
a copy, so I can't say for sure.

- snopes

woj

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d...@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Dan Parmenter) sez:
>I have one which is allegedly The Byrds and REM. As near as I
>can tell, it's McGuinn and some backing musicians who might be members
>of REM. The quality is terrible. Does anyone know if this is for
>real?

yup. it's for real. 1988 show at the 40 watt (i believe) in athens.
i know people who were there - i know the guy who recorded it as well.
i don't know the bozos who pressed the lp though - they did a shitty
job. as for the sound quality, my copy sounds fine (b+ to a- on a
conservative scale), so you must have a really bad pressing of it.
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the pleasure of the aching void: fegmania...@pebbles.sct.clarkson.edu
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Geoff Coates

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>In article <DAN.91Ju...@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu>,
> d...@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Dan Parmenter) writes...
>
>>On the subject of Byrds boots, I have a few questions about some of
>>them. I have one which is allegedly The Byrds and REM. As near as I
>>can tell, it's McGuinn and some backing musicians who might be members
>>of REM. The quality is terrible. Does anyone know if this is for
>>real?
>
>How recent is it? Are you sure it's not McGuinn and Crowded House?

I've heard a promo CD (not generally available) of McGuinn
playing a few numbers with Crowded House on their first American
visit under the title 'Byrdhouse'. From memory they did
'Tambourine Man', 'Eight Miles High' and 'So you want to be Rock
and Roll Star'. The quality isn't all that flash; sounds like
they rehearsed it on the day. The band were honoured to be
offered a chance to perform with him.

On the subject of The Byrds, I asked about the death of Gene
Clark a couple of weeks back in this group and a kind soul
directed me to the latest edition of Rolling Stone (July?) for
details. Alas, here in Australia we have our own version and the
American edition is impossible to get hold of.

Any other kind soul willing to provide more info?

Geoff Coates

snopes

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In article <1991Jul23....@arris.com>,
rsha...@arris.com (Richard Shapiro) writes...

>The two that appear on BYRDS ON THE WYNG are "I Don't Believe You"


>(the producer or engineer refers to it as "I Don't Believe Me") and
>"Baby Blue". The instrumentation is the aforementioned 12-string,
>dobro, bass, drums, tambourine, possibly a second guitar.

>So why were new demos needed, given that the Byrds had access to
>Dylan's own demos (and of course his released recordings)? And, who is
>that female vocalist? I have the nagging feeling I should recognize
>her voice, but I just can't place it.

Terry Melcher had an outside arranger put together a group and prepare
Byrds-like demos so that the Byrds could just imitate the demo records.
The Byrds badly needed a hit to follow up "Mr. Tambourine Man" because
Cher's version of "All I Really Want To Do" had knocked theirs off the
charts; time was of the essence, and they couldn't afford to waste time
arguing over which song to record and how to arrange it. They attempted
"It's All Over Now, Baby Blue" before abandoning it in favor of "Turn!
Turn! Turn!".

I don't think anybody remembers the name of the female vocalist. She
certainly isn't anybody famous in the music industry.

snopes

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In article <9...@spam.ua.oz>,
gco...@spam.ua.oz (Geoff Coates) writes...

> On the subject of The Byrds, I asked about the death of Gene
> Clark a couple of weeks back in this group and a kind soul
> directed me to the latest edition of Rolling Stone (July?) for
> details. Alas, here in Australia we have our own version and the
> American edition is impossible to get hold of.

He died at his home in Sherman Oaks, California on May 24. That was the
Friday before Memorial Day weekend here in the USA, so it didn't get a
lot of news coverage. Death was attributed to natural causes; he basically
just died early because of years of drug and alcohol abuse.

be here now

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I liked your list. One track that I didn't see, and perhaps there
were others, was Bad Night At The Whiskey. At least I think that's
the name of it? It's on the Byrds boxed cd set. What about the
Rhino cd containing the very first Byrds tracks, like You Showed Me?

I'm a fan of all of the Byrds music up through 1967. After that,
I liked perhaps 5 additional tracks at most.


--
rj pietkivitch | "Here it comes again, it looks just like
att!ihlpz!rjp1 | the last wave I drowned in..." -- Lady Friend

snopes

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In article <1991Jul23.2...@cbnewsc.cb.att.com>,
rj...@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (be here now) writes...

>I liked your list. One track that I didn't see, and perhaps there
>were others, was Bad Night At The Whiskey. At least I think that's
>the name of it? It's on the Byrds boxed cd set.

Thanks. It's there, under 10-15-68.

>What about the Rhino cd containing the very first Byrds tracks,
>like You Showed Me?

I chose not to include the World Pacific tracks because they were basically
taped rehearsals made before the band even had a recording contract, not
anything that was ever intended for release.


>rj pietkivitch | "Here it comes again, it looks just like
>att!ihlpz!rjp1 | the last wave I drowned in..." -- Lady Friend

Is that really the first line to "Lady Friend"? I've been trying to figure
out the lyrics to that song for ages! Could you mail me the rest of the
lyrics?

be here now

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>> I liked your list. One track that I didn't see, and perhaps there
>> were others, was Bad Night At The Whiskey. At least I think that's
>> the name of it? It's on the Byrds boxed cd set.

> Thanks. It's there, under 10-15-68.

Oh, right! I don't know why I didn't see it there? Anyway, it has
got an *excellent* guitar sound throughout, even though the lyrics are
quite depressing.

>> What about the Rhino cd containing the very first Byrds tracks,
>> like You Showed Me?

> I chose not to include the World Pacific tracks because they were basically
> taped rehearsals made before the band even had a recording contract, not
> anything that was ever intended for release.

Yeah, that's true enough. What about bootlegs? I have the opportunity
to buy these: Two Tea For Two (Boston 2/22/69), Piper Club (Roma 5/2/68),
and Eight Miles High (Amsterdam 1970) all on cd from a friend of mine.
I don't know what's on any of these disks, nor do I know which would
be the best to obtain? I'm thinking of getting the all, but I don't
wand to be dissappointed... Can you provide me with any information
about any of them? Thanks in advance.

>> rj pietkivitch | "Here it comes again, it looks just like
>> att!ihlpz!rjp1 | the last wave I drowned in..." -- Lady Friend

> Is that really the first line to "Lady Friend"? I've been trying to figure
> out the lyrics to that song for ages! Could you mail me the rest of the
> lyrics?
>
> - snopes

Actually, it's the beginning of verse two. I thought I'd type up
the lyrics here since they aren't lengthy and other folks may also
be interested. They're from intense listening, so please ignore
any errors that may or may not be there...

Lady Friend

(Can't even talk, how can I sing??)

Here it comes again it's going to happen to me.
Here it comes, I should have learned to love.
She's going to say she's going away,
And I will have to live without her and survive.

Here it comes, it looks just like the last wave I drowned in.
Here it comes and I'm so far from shore.
She's going to go and take her trinkets,
And I will have to live without her and survive.

Here it comes again the night is going to fall.
Here it comes, she's going to say goodbye.
She's going to go and be done with me,
And I will have to live without her and survive.


--
rj pietkivitch | "I think that maybe I'm dreaming..."
att!ihlpz!rjp1 | -- Byrds, Renaissance Fair

Ralph Brandi

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>In article <DAN.91Ju...@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu>,
> d...@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Dan Parmenter) writes...

>>On the subject of Byrds boots, I have a few questions about some of
>>them. I have one which is allegedly The Byrds and REM. As near as I
>>can tell, it's McGuinn and some backing musicians who might be members
>>of REM. The quality is terrible. Does anyone know if this is for
>>real?

>How recent is it? Are you sure it's not McGuinn and Crowded House?


I believe the show would have been in Athens about three or four
years ago. Peter Buck, Bill Berry, and Mike Mills did indeed back
Roger McGuinn for one show on a tour he was making at the time. I
know at least two people who were there, one of whom worked at the
time for R.E.M.'s manager and promised to get me a tape (which I
never saw.... :-( )

I can't say if the boot you have is in fact from that show, but the
show did happen....
--
Ralph Brandi ra...@mtunp.att.com att!mtunp!ralph

R.I.P. Radio Canada International 1942-1991

Len Moskowitz

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While we're on the topic of McGuinn and company, does anyone know the
name of the band that's backing him on the current tour? I caught him
at The Ritz in NYC a few months back. Audience noise drowned out the
introductions.


Len Moskowitz

terrence.boerner

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In article <1991Jul23.2...@pa.dec.com>, mikk...@breakr.enet.dec.com (snopes) writes:
>
> In article <1991Jul23.2...@cbnewsc.cb.att.com>,
> rj...@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (be here now) writes...
>
> >I liked your list. One track that I didn't see, and perhaps there
> >were others, was Bad Night At The Whiskey. At least I think that's
> >the name of it? It's on the Byrds boxed cd set.
>
> Thanks. It's there, under 10-15-68.
>
> >What about the Rhino cd containing the very first Byrds tracks,
> >like You Showed Me?
>
> I chose not to include the World Pacific tracks because they were basically
> taped rehearsals made before the band even had a recording contract, not
> anything that was ever intended for release.
>
>
> >rj pietkivitch | "Here it comes again, it looks just like
> >att!ihlpz!rjp1 | the last wave I drowned in..." -- Lady Friend
>
> Is that really the first line to "Lady Friend"? I've been trying to figure
> out the lyrics to that song for ages! Could you mail me the rest of the
> lyrics?
>
> - snopes
>

Lady Friend has to be one of my all-time Bryds favorite. If someone

has the lyrics to this, please pass it along.

On a side note.... Saw Roger McGuinn (with the Headlights) twice

at Summer Fest in Milwaukee last month..he was great. Being an

die-hard Bryd freak (McGuinn freak) from 1965, I tried every in my

power to meet him, but no luck. He did sign the book from the Byrds

box set though. Anyone know his tour location and date for the rest

of the year?


TJB

snopes

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In article <1991Jul24....@cbnewsc.cb.att.com>,
rj...@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (be here now) writes...

>What about bootlegs? I have the opportunity


>to buy these: Two Tea For Two (Boston 2/22/69), Piper Club (Roma 5/2/68),
>and Eight Miles High (Amsterdam 1970) all on cd from a friend of mine.
>I don't know what's on any of these disks, nor do I know which would
>be the best to obtain? I'm thinking of getting the all, but I don't
>wand to be dissappointed... Can you provide me with any information
>about any of them? Thanks in advance.

OK, you asked for it:

The Piper Club Roma live CD (2 May 1968) contains the following tracks:

You Ain't Goin' Nowhere/Old John Robertson/You Don't Miss Your Water
Hickory Wind/Feel A Whole Lot Better/Chimes Of Freedom/The Christian Life
Turn! Turn! Turn!/Medley: My Back Pages; B.J. Blues; Baby, What Do You Want
Me To Do/Mr. Spaceman

An interesting song selection, and one of the few live shows featuring Gram
Parsons. Unfortunately, the sound quality of the CD is very poor. (At
least, the CD issued as Bulldog BGCD 022 was very poor; if the CD is on a
different label, it's possible the CD was remastered from a better tape.)
If it's the Bulldog CD, I wouldn't bother with it if it costs more than a few
dollars.

The "Tea For Two" live CD (22 February 1969) is taken from a double album
more commonly known as "Boston Tea Party". The album contains the following
tracks:

You Ain't Goin' Nowhere/Old Blue/Long Black Veil/Goin' Back/Get Out Of My
Life Woman/Ballad Of Easy Rider/Jesus Is Just Alright/Tulsa County Blue
Sing Me Back Home/Lay Lady Lay/Time Between/Medley: My Back Pages; B.J. Blues;
Baby, What Do You Want Me To Do/Take A City Bride/It's All Over Now, Baby Blue
Turn! Turn! Turn!/Mr. Tambourine Man/Eight Miles High/I Shall Be Released


Drug Store Truck Drivin' Man

Another interesting song line-up, featuring many songs never recorded in the
studio by the Byrds. I haven't seen a CD version of this album, but the
sound quality of the LP version is excellent (Handmade Records FC 002). The
LP unfortunately omitted several interesting tracks: He Was A Friend Of Mine
Mr. Spaceman/This Wheel's On Fire/Jesus Is Just Alright (another version)
Nashville West/Fido and the John York rarity "Way Beyond The Sun". It would
be great if the CD version restored these tracks, but I doubt it. I'd buy the
CD in any case, though.

The Amsterdam live show (1970) was recorded from a radio broadcast. It
contains the following songs:

You Ain't Goin' Nowhere/Lover Of The Bayou/Old Blue/Well Come Back Home


Medley: My Back Pages; B.J. Blues; Baby, What Do You Want Me To Do

He Was A Friend Of Mine/Willin'/Soldier's Joy; Black Mountain Rag/Take A Whiff
This Wheel's On Fire/It's Alright Ma (I'm Only Bleeding)/Ballad Of Easy Rider
Jesus Is Just Alright/All The Things/Buckaroo; Nashville West
Turn! Turn! Turn!/Mr. Tambourine Man/Eight Miles High/Positively 4th Street
Mr. Spaceman/You Don't Miss Your Water/Chestnut Mare/Chimes Of Freedom
Amazing Grace

A nice mix of "Untitled" songs, Byrds oldies, and miscellaneous album tracks,
with a few rarities thrown in to boot. I haven't seen a CD version of this
album, so I can't attest to it's sound quality. The LP version of this show
was the first Byrds bootleg, released in England in 1971 as "Byrds Live At
Buddy's In England" (Fly Records 502). Although the original tape is of
excellent sound quality, the LP was only fair. I'd probably take a chance
on is CD; if it doesn't sound any worse than the LP, it's worthwhile.


>I thought I'd type up the lyrics here since they aren't lengthy and other
>folks may also be interested. They're from intense listening, so please
>ignore any errors that may or may not be there...

> Here it comes, it looks just like the last wave I drowned in.


> Here it comes and I'm so far from shore.
> She's going to go and take her trinkets,
> And I will have to live without her and survive.

I always thought he said "sweetness" instead of "trinkets", but my
hearing isn't so hot. A great song, in any case -- too bad it got relegated
to the B-side of an obscure single.

Dennis Sutch

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Does anyone know where the CD 'North American Bush Band' by the group with
the same name, can be found?

Thanks
e...@cu.nih.gov -or- dsu...@titan.rti.org

be here now

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Jul 25, 1991, 12:52:04 PM7/25/91
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> Lady Friend has to be one of my all-time Bryds favorite. If someone
> has the lyrics to this, please pass it along.
>
> TJB

Hopefully, you saw my last posting.... At the end of it, I included
the lyrics to Lady Friend.

Speaking of Byrds' lyrics, does anyone have all of the lyrics to
The Bells of Rhymney?? I suppose I could look for a Pete Seeger
album that might include them? Maybe someone can direct me to
where I can find them. I have most of them down, but there are
some words that I can't figure out! If someone wants to post them
to the net, that'd be okay too. Thanks in advance!


--
rj pietkivitch | "Here it comes, it looks just like the last
att!ihlpz!rjp1 | wave I drowned in..." Byrds, Lady Friend

snopes

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Jul 25, 1991, 6:23:18 AM7/25/91
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In article <1991Jul25....@cbnewsc.cb.att.com>,
rj...@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (be here now) writes...

>Speaking of Byrds' lyrics, does anyone have all of the lyrics to


>The Bells of Rhymney?? I suppose I could look for a Pete Seeger
>album that might include them? Maybe someone can direct me to
>where I can find them. I have most of them down, but there are
>some words that I can't figure out! If someone wants to post them
>to the net, that'd be okay too. Thanks in advance!

I have the words on an insert that came with a Japanese "Mr. Tambourine Man"
CD; I'll post them when I get home today. I never could figure out what the
first three words of "Feel A Whole Lot Better" were until I looked at the
insert.

be here now

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Snopes, thanks for the excellent descriptions. I think I can now
make my choices... all of them! I don't know know if the Piper cd
is on Bulldog, but at least it doesn't contain "Jesus Is Just Alright
With Me" -- I hate that song! (now now, you folks out there with
flame throwers, please put them down!) :^)

>> (lyrics from Lady Friend)

>> Here it comes, it looks just like the last wave I drowned in.
>> Here it comes and I'm so far from shore.
>> She's going to go and take her trinkets,
>> And I will have to live without her and survive.

> I always thought he said "sweetness" instead of "trinkets", but my
> hearing isn't so hot. A great song, in any case -- too bad it got relegated
> to the B-side of an obscure single.
>
> - snopes

Weird, the word "sweetness" never occured to me...? I've always
heard that one as "trinkets". It's the last verse that gives me the
most trouble: "She's going to go and be done with me" I'm not 100%
sure that he sings the word "done", but it seems to fit okay.


--
rj pietkivitch | "And maybe someday when we've learned,
att!ihlpz!rjp1 | the Cherokee Nation will return." -- Paul Revere

Barry Parris

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Jul 25, 1991, 9:14:34 AM7/25/91
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mosk...@paul.rutgers.edu (Len Moskowitz) writes:

The band is the Headlights. They are from Tampa.

I saw Roger in Columbia, SC this past Saturday. This was the last
date on the tour. Great show.

--Barry Parris par...@cs.scarolina.edu
(.sig still on vacation)

John Howells

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mikk...@breakr.enet.dec.com (snopes) writes:

[Lady Friend]

< I always thought he said "sweetness" instead of "trinkets", but my
< hearing isn't so hot. A great song, in any case -- too bad it got relegated
< to the B-side of an obscure single.

Actually it was the a-side and the first real flop for the Byrds. The
b-side is "Old John Robertson" - same version as on Notorious but
without the phasing that spoils the last half of the song.

--
FRANK ZAPPA | John Howells
for | how...@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov
President! | how...@earth.arc.nasa.gov

snopes

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In article <1991Jul31.1...@riacs.edu>,
how...@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (John Howells) writes...

>[Lady Friend]

>Actually it was the a-side and the first real flop for the Byrds. The
>b-side is "Old John Robertson" - same version as on Notorious but
>without the phasing that spoils the last half of the song.

So "Lady Friend" reaching #82 in the charts was a "real flop", but "Have
You Seen Her Face" (the previous single) reaching #72 wasn't? Exactly where
in the Billboard chart between positions 74 and 82 is the dividing line?

John Howells

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mikk...@breakr.enet.dec.com (snopes) writes:


<In article <1991Jul31.1...@riacs.edu>,
< how...@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (John Howells) writes...

<>[Lady Friend]

<>Actually it was the a-side and the first real flop for the Byrds. The
<>b-side is "Old John Robertson" - same version as on Notorious but
<>without the phasing that spoils the last half of the song.

<So "Lady Friend" reaching #82 in the charts was a "real flop", but "Have
<You Seen Her Face" (the previous single) reaching #72 wasn't? Exactly where
<in the Billboard chart between positions 74 and 82 is the dividing line?

I wasn't aware that "Have You Seen Her Face" was that big of a flop,
but I guess I was thinking regional. Around here (the SF bay area) that
single got a lot of airplay and reached the top 10. "Lady Friend", on
the other hand, vanished without a trace, which was a real shock for me
at the time. Ah well, guess I blew it again! :-)

Kim Poindexter

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Regarding the thread about "Ladyfriend" ... of the two cleaned up
versions available on CD ("Never Before" and "The Byrds" (4 CD box)),
I vastly prefer the "Never Before" version with the overdubbed drums.
Much more energy. I've read contrary opionions, and was curious what
others on the net felt. Anybody know any more about the story behind
the overdubbing on the "Never Before" version?

Kim

Kim Poindexter

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Aug 5, 1991, 1:10:14 PM8/5/91
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I managed to miss the original posting of this Sessionography.
Could some kind soul E-mail me a copy, or post it again?

Thanks,
Kim

P.S. I've managed to find all of the Byrds "legit" records on CD
except for "Farther Along". I've even found the '73 reunion
album. Has anybody ever seen "Farther Along"? Also curios
about McGuinn's solo records ... I've only found the 1st
of the 5 Columbia albums.

Kim Poindexter

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Aug 5, 1991, 1:21:05 PM8/5/91
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The Headlights. Great band. Saw them open for and back McGuinn at
The Coach House (So. Cal). Talked with a woman who was with the
band (I have a suspicion it was Camilla, but don't know for sure).
She mentioned that they were hoping the exposure would land The
Headlights a recording contract. Hope so, cuz they were great.

Kim

be here now

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Well, at first, I really liked the 'overdubbed-drums' version of Lady
Friend on Never Before. But after a quite a few listenings, I decided
that the overdubs were sloppy and that they drowned out other more subtle
parts of the song. I still like it, but if I have a choice (which I do!)
I listen to the version of Lady Friend from the boxed cd set.

I think there is a short explanation as to why the drums were overdubbed
on the Never Before version in the NB cd booklet. But details were not
very forthcoming.

snopes

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Aug 6, 1991, 7:50:59 AM8/6/91
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In article <168...@felix.UUCP>, k...@felix.UUCP (Kim Poindexter) writes...

> P.S. I've managed to find all of the Byrds "legit" records on CD
> except for "Farther Along". I've even found the '73 reunion
> album. Has anybody ever seen "Farther Along"? Also curios
> about McGuinn's solo records ... I've only found the 1st
> of the 5 Columbia albums.

"Byrdmaniax" and "Farther Along" are only available as imports. "Byrdmaniax"
is put out by a German company, but although I've seen "Farther Along"
advertised in _Goldmine_, I haven't actually seen a copy of the CD itself yet.

Only McGuinn's first solo album is out in America right now. The next two,
I believe, are available on a British label. A compilation album of his
five solo efforts is due out in America in three weeks.

snopes

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Aug 6, 1991, 7:57:04 AM8/6/91
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In article <168...@felix.UUCP>, k...@felix.UUCP (Kim Poindexter) writes...

> Regarding the thread about "Ladyfriend" ... of the two cleaned up


> versions available on CD ("Never Before" and "The Byrds" (4 CD box)),
> I vastly prefer the "Never Before" version with the overdubbed drums.
> Much more energy. I've read contrary opionions, and was curious what
> others on the net felt. Anybody know any more about the story behind
> the overdubbing on the "Never Before" version?

Supposedly they felt that Michael Clarke's drumming was too "weak" when the
"Never Before" compilation was put together, so they overdubbed a new drum
track. (It wasn't really clear whether they felt the *performance* was weak,
or that the tape containing the drum track was weak.) Clearer heads prevailed
when the CBS set was assembled, however, and the original drum track was
restored.

Although I do like the energy of the overdubbed track, I think it sounds out
of place with the rest of the song, so I prefer the CBS version.

Anders Engwall

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mikk...@breakr.enet.dec.com (snopes) writes:
>
>
> In article <1991Jul31.1...@riacs.edu>,
> how...@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (John Howells) writes...
>
> <>[Lady Friend]
>
> <>Actually it was the a-side and the first real flop for the Byrds. The
> <>b-side is "Old John Robertson" - same version as on Notorious but
> <>without the phasing that spoils the last half of the song.
>
> So "Lady Friend" reaching #82 in the charts was a "real flop", but "Have
> You Seen Her Face" (the previous single) reaching #72 wasn't? Exactly
> where in the Billboard chart between positions 74 and 82 is the dividing
> line?

I give up - where *is* the dividing line between a flop and a hit? ;-)

I think one could consider "Set You Free This Time" as The Byrds' first
flop. Or?

/Anders

Phone: +46 8 727 38 93 Fax: +46 8 647 96 44
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Eerke Boiten

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In article <1991Aug7.0...@eua.ericsson.se> Anders....@eua.ericsson.se (Anders Engwall) writes:
>> Exactly where in the Billboard chart between positions 74 and 82
>> is the dividing line?
>I give up - where *is* the dividing line between a flop and a hit? ;-)

Sorry, I'm not into Zen so I can't give you a good answer.

I'll give an example, though. Swedish, eh? OK.

(all chart data are from NL)
"Under attack" by Abba was definitely a flop. It was in the top 10 for 2
or 3 weeks, highest position was #5. All previous hits did much better.

"Whole of the moon" by the Waterboys was definitely a hit. It reached #21.

Got it? (I know the Waterboys aren't Swedish - but I wanted a good group
as a second example).
--
Eerke Boiten (ee...@cs.kun.nl)
Dept. of Informatics (STOP Project)
University of Nijmegen, NL

David A. Pearlman

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Jul 30, 1991, 9:12:20 AM7/30/91
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In article <9...@spam.ua.oz> gco...@spam.ua.oz (Geoff Coates) writes:
>>How recent is it? Are you sure it's not McGuinn and Crowded House?
>
> I've heard a promo CD (not generally available) of McGuinn
> playing a few numbers with Crowded House on their first American
> visit under the title 'Byrdhouse'. From memory they did
> 'Tambourine Man', 'Eight Miles High' and 'So you want to be Rock
> and Roll Star'. The quality isn't all that flash; sounds like
> they rehearsed it on the day. The band were honoured to be
> offered a chance to perform with him.

A correction here: The CD single you refer to _was_ not a promo--it was
(is?) commercially available. "I Feel Possessed" by Crowded House (same
as LP version) along with three performances by CH + Roger McGuinn. On
Capitol.


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