same name songs
Gill Smith
well-known songs
generally
the exception is: me doing it
and I only do it for well-known songs I dislike
e.g. High and Dry
I hate this song by Radiohead
in fact, I hate everything about Radiohead
Honcho
There's 32 'High and Dry' 's at ASCAP alone...
Richard
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heh, had no idea so many people hate Radiohead!
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Honcho
> "Honcho" <richhon...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
I think Hoagy Carmichael's High and Dry is a little before Radiohead
were born :)
Richard
Robert DeSavage
<richh...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>I think Hoagy Carmichael's High and Dry is a little before Radiohead
>were born :)
>
>Richard
While not quite the same name - the old song Yesterday and the Beatles
Yesterdays. However, what's more interesting is that one horn can play
Yesterday while another horn plays Yesterdays. Both played together
mesh pretty well up to the bridge of each tune. Once the bridge is
played of either tune of choice, then both can be played together
again. The small group that I was playing in when I was on the Newport
Naval Base Band some 40 plus years ago stumbled across this and we
always played it as the last song of the gig. No biggie, but something
that makes playing music the very creative art it is.
Gill Smith
well, well fancy that
I also wrote a song called H(e)art and Soul - Lisa Hart was singer who
called her band
Hart and Soul, so I tried to get a demo for free
and I hate the Hoagy Carmichael song Heart and Soul!!!!
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Sean
> well, well fancy that
>
> I also wrote a song called H(e)art and Soul - Lisa Hart was singer who
> called her band
> Hart and Soul, so I tried to get a demo for free
>
> and I hate the Hoagy Carmichael song Heart and Soul!!!!
I wrote a song called Pachelbel's Canon in C. So it only has three words
in common with Pachelbel's Canon in D.
Gill Smith
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did you use real canons?
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Bill Graham
> On 24 May, 12:04, "Gill Smith" <gill.smith....@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> I frown on no-hopers putting out their own songs with the same title as
>> well-known songs
Tell me about it.....I buy sheet music on the internet from services like
freehand music and sheet music downloads all the time....I have to do a
Google search of each song's history first in order to get the right music,
or I will end up buying some song with the same name but written like
yesterday instead of 1925 or 30 that I am looking for. The last time this
happened, I was looking for "South of the Border" (Down Mexico way) written
back in the 30's and sung by Gene Autry or one of those guys......I ended up
buying a song written in the 1990's that nobody ever heard of......Another
problem is they give you the first page, and play it for you, but
frequently, the first page is just an introduction and you can't hear if
it's the melody you are looking for or not. - I think there is a lovely
scam going on by music writers to sell their music to old geezers like me
who think that the name is copyrighted and can't be re used.....But
apparently this isn't the case.
Bill Graham
"Robert DeSavage" <alle...@nospamcomcast.net> wrote in message
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Yes.....I specialize in playing a counterpoint tune to the lead.....This is
especially easy to do with country western style music, and any music that
has a simple three chord structure and is written according to the
guidelines of pop music from the 20's thru the 50's. but this is the kind of
music our dance band plays for the dances at the senior centers in the area.
It is also something that you can get very good at with practice.....We play
for about 4 hours a week at two different centers. When I can play a
passable counterpoint line to a song I've never heard before, then I will
know that I "have arrived"......:^)
Sean
Well, I just took Pach's tune and fugued it up.
Robert DeSavage
wrote:
Bill, I don't recall if I mentioned it before, but wouldn't it be more
worth your while to buy a fake book? Now-a-days it's called the Real
Book. I'm sure that there are versions published that will have the
oldies you want. Stores like Barnes and Noble carry them and you can
probably peruse the contents or at least the index.
I'm still living in those thrilling days of Yesteryear when some 50
years back we called them either 'fake books' or the 'bootleg book'.
Then, they were 'illegal' and usually were sold from out of the trunk
of a musician's car or from under the counter of the local music store
(remember those?). In my case, I bought mine from my high school band
director who also moonlighted as band director at (believe it or not)
a prison located in our town. He never told me where his source was,
nor did I ask. Back then, a fake book sold for around $25. Then, $25
was a considerable amount of bread, Generally, the books were for C
instruments, but also were written for Bb instruments to avoid
transposing. My long time trumpet teacher said "No way" to that and
insisted that I use the C book. Along with the Arban's, Gatti, and St.
Jacome exercises he had me do, he also insisted that I memorize at
least two songs out of the fake book. For sure, it paid off for me.
Many of the society orchestras like Meyer Davis or Lanin wouldn't let
their musicians read out of the book and play song after song after
song extemporaneously,
Bill Graham
Yes, and I have several fake books.....their problem is, they only have the
lead line and I took lessons for many years from a pianist.....I enjoyed
playing the lead to her piano background, but I generally had to have the
piano part for her to work out of.....I would steal the lead line from the
piano part and bump it up a second with my transcription program, and then
work on my lead line while she would sight read the piano part.....I found
this to be better than taking lessons from a horn player, but then I started
at 50 with a considerable musical background. (I had taken both piano
lessons and guitar lessons for several years before I first played a horn)
Today, I no longer take lessons, but I still like to get a piano score
because I can get other information from it besides the lead line. I can
generate a second and third part, and our dance band piano player can work
from the chords and lead line better than he can from piano music. I have
over 60 music books, and they contain almost exclusively piano
music.....Over 3000 songs.....But I still have to buy a song from time to
time from the internet.
skegsy
wrote:
Hi i`m Skegsy and i`ve just joined.I love writing "same name songs"!
I`ve written original songs called "That`ll be the Day", "Who do you
think you are?", and "The Dark Side Of The Floyd"!...Sorry!.....
Gill Smith
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> Hi i`m Skegsy and i`ve just joined.I love writing "same name songs"!
> I`ve written original songs called "That`ll be the Day", "Who do you
> think you are?", and "The Dark Side Of The Floyd"!...Sorry!.....
got any clips?
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skegsy
> "skegsy" <colinsca...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
Bill Graham
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If you are inventive and artistic enough to write original music, then why
can't you come up with original names for it? All you are doing is confusing
geezers like me who are trying to build up an archive of the songs of my
youth. It's like trying to find a toothpick in a haystack of straw.....The
least you could do is add a, "II" after the title so we can know which song
is the original.....
Robert DeSavage
wrote:
SNIPPED
>
>If you are inventive and artistic enough to write original music, then why
>can't you come up with original names for it? All you are doing is confusing
>geezers like me who are trying to build up an archive of the songs of my
>youth. It's like trying to find a toothpick in a haystack of straw.....The
>least you could do is add a, "II" after the title so we can know which song
>is the original.....
I readily understand your point, Bill where you go on a gig and call
up tunes by their title. However, in the 'realm' I worked in, we
generally didn't do that. Instead, we give 'finger signals' to the
keyboard player that told him / her the key we wanted to go in for the
next song. And hopefully the keyboardist knew the song we had in mind.
It was kind of weird where if we held one finger pointing UP, we'd be
calling for him to go into the key of F (one flat). And contrary to
that, if we wanted to go into the key of D (two sharps), we'd point
two fingers DOWN. As well, we 'fingered' for C instruments which would
include keyboard instruments and consider that we trumpet players
would associate the concert key as being what it would be on Bb
instruments. Eb instruments would think along the same lines, I don't
know why the signals were back asswards, but if we wanted to work as a
local musician who plays tunes, we learned at an early age to catch
on. In the case of calling up a tune written in the key of C concert,
we'd just make a 'letter' C with the thumb and forefinger. Although
the majority of my work was playing belly rubbing stuff in small
groups, But even if I worked on reader jobs in larger bands, the
leader would call up an arrangement that would be in numerical order
in the band's book. God help anyone who didn't do any housekeeping to
put everything back where it belongs. This was especially 'sinful'
when I was playing in Navy bands. Like it's been often said, "Time is
money and money is time'.
Bill Graham
I have a different problem....
By the time I get to the gig, there is no problem with knowing which songs
are which, or what we have to play and what key it's in. My problem is way
before that point, when I am acquiring the music for us to play, and sending
it out to the group. The best way to tell you is by example.....Not too long
ago we wanted to play "South of the Border" (Down Mexico way) I didn't have
it an any of my 60 odd books of music, (which contain about 3000 songs) So,
I had to order it from one of the various internet sheet music services, who
charge around $5.00 each for a song. I did this, and when I downloaded it, I
discovered that it was a completely different song from the one I wanted. It
was called "South of the Border", but it was written in 1991 by a couple of
guys who probably never heard of Gene Autry who popularized the song back in
the thirty's. This is because the introduction to the song doesn't contain
the main melody, and this is all you get to hear before you order it off the
internet. So, I ended up paying around $10.00 for it because I had to order
it twice. The first version I got was terrible, and I had absolutely no use
for it at all. You can bet that most of the sales they got for this song
were from old geezers like me who ordered it my mistake. It was tuneless,
like most of the "new" popular music. When all those old tin pan alley guys
of the 20's and 30's died, the beautiful popular music that this country is
known for died with them. Not that there is no more pretty songs written
today, but the number of people who can write them can be counted on the
fingers of one hand, but in the 20's, there were hundreds of them. Tin Pan
Alley virtually died in the mid 50's when people like Bill Haley and the
"comets" came in with "rock & roll" music, which was mostly just loud and
repetitive. So now, when I order something, I have to first research it to
find out its first date of publication, its exact title, and its composer or
composers or I will likely get the wrong thing. I guess this is like most
things you order off the internet.....You can't pick them up and hold them
in your hand first like you can when you find them in a store, so you are
taking a chance that it won't be the right size or quality when you get it
and you will have just wasted your money......Music is no different.
Robert DeSavage
wrote:
While I order durable items thru the net where I can return them if
there's a problem, never will I buy digital items like recordings,
digital books, and / or music that can be downloaded. Once they're
downloaded to your computer and they turn out to be not what you
wanted, for obvious reasons there's no recourse and the purchaser is
stuck with the download. Unlike going into a brick and mortar store
where you can hold the item in your hands, no matter what you buy thru
the net, it's like buying a pig in a poke. While a person can do
research over the net on durable items and have a pretty good idea of
they're getting into, there aren't many ways to research and view
stuff that can be downloaded. If a person had that advantage, why buy
it when you could possibly 'scoop' it for zip? While I benefit and
enjoy hi tech including my new 'toy', an induction cooking burner, I
have to draw the line and enjoy the pleasure of having printed books,
DVDs, music CDs, and those old and scratched 12" vinyl 'pizzas' in my
home that I can hold in my hand. At least with printed material, if
the lights go out and I can't view or listen to the disks, I can
always light a candle and still be able to read a book or a newspaper.
Call me an old fashioned wheezer geezer, but unlike the died in the
wool hi techies who depend on everything electronic (including hi tech
toilets), I'm not going to be bored or let me get in a state of panic
if or when the lights go out.
Bill Graham
Me too, and I wouldn't order any music from the internet were there a
reasonable alternative......But, unfortunately, It's the only place where
you can get the stuff I want without searching through hundreds of old
pieces of sheet music in used book stores......for about 5.00 or less, I can
get pretty much anything ever composed in Tin Pan Alley......I can get most
of the stuff composed before 1927 for 2 dollars or less. (It's out of
copyright) Actually, about 50% of the songs I want I already have in one or
more of my 60 odd music books, so all I need are the pieces that didn't make
it to the top 40 or whatever is likely to get them published in music
anthologies.
Doug Hardie
"Bill Graham" <we...@comcast.net> wrote:
If you are looking for something thats out of copyright, try
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/index.html as the Library of Congress is
digitizing a lot of their holdings and making them available to the
public.
Bill Graham
"Doug Hardie" <bc...@lafn.org> wrote in message
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Thanks.....I am always on the lookout for useful links.
Gill Smith
>
> http://www.myspace.com/skegsyandtheskellingtons
interesting range of styles
did you prepare these tracks ? (e.g. with Pro Tools)
or was this done in a recording studio
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