Top Ten Trumpet Players, Jazz and Legit
Bookman
everyones favorite trumpet players for legit and jazz work. Well,
Here's mine:
"Jazz"
1. Louis Armstrong - He's a badass in his time and ours!
2. Clifford Brown - You can take his solos and write a new song from
them! He's seems innocent...
3. Dizzy Gillespie - Great licks, but I wish he could've rubbed a
little of himself on Charlie Parker....
4. Clark Terry - Upside down?!?! I got a record of him, Clifford Brown
and Maynard Ferguson on stage. AWESOME!!!
5. Allen Vizzutti - Freaky!! Trumpet Summit Rocks!!
6. Arturo Sandoval - Flight to Freedom, Danzon, "classical Album", I
remember Clifford, great jazz Cd's
7. Wynton Marsalis (Not on Monette), Standard time series I like
8. Dan Evans - Old teacher, could play anything!
9. Ingrid Jenson - I like the message she is sending
10. Chet Baker - I dig tha sound
"Honorable mentions"
Jon Faddis - Almost wet my britches when I heard him play over a 25
piece jazz ensemble, UNMIKED!!!
Maynard Ferguson - What can I say, he started it all
Bobby Shew - Shewhorn?!?!
Al Hirt - Music makes me wanna bounce.
"Legit"
1. Maurice Andre - no contest
2. Rafael Mendez - His style is awesome!
3. Allen Vizzutti - One one...FREAKY!!
4. Wynton Marsalis (not on Monette) - Gabriel's Garden. On the
twentieth Century with Judith Stillman. Two different albums, two
different instruments, an awesome sound(gabriel), a good sound(2oth
cuntury)
5. Gerard Schwarz
6. Walter Gleisle
7. Edward Carroll
8. Timofei Dokshitzer
9. Niklas Eklund - Best natural trumpet player I've ever heard.
10. Mark Gould
Wynton Marsalis(Monette) Still a good sound, but not as strong as I
like. I wish I could make as good a sound though....
Arturo Sandoval - Sounds great on solo's he's written, nuff said.
Classical Album?!?!?
Scott Englebright/Donny Dyess - Tastee Bros 98, Hummel was awesome, but
they were sharp overall on the last trill on the first movement.
Guy Touvron, Great cd's, but he had a bad night when he came to town.
It happens, he's still awesome.
These are my favorites, what're yours?
--
Michael Bookman Jr.
Lead trumpet Myhouse Bigband
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Bookman <mwb...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> I'm not sure if this has been posted before,
but I want to know
> everyones favorite trumpet players for legit and
jazz work. Well,
> Here's mine:
Michael,
My jazz list would look a lot like yours, though
the ranking would differ a little. I would
probably find a place for Miles Davis. Even
though he has not stood the test of time, I would
be hard pressed not to include Ryan Kisor.
My classical list would look much different. Bud
Herseth would have to be there; he would be near
the top of my list. So, too, would Phil Smith,
Thomas Stevens, and Manny Laureano. You will no
doubt object to Laureano because of the Monnete
connection, but first listen (if you haven't
already) to the Minnesota recording of Strauss, An
Alpine Symphony. It contains some awsome
principal trumpet work. Going back in time, I
would likely include Amando Ghitallo, Bill
Vacchino, and Max Schlossberg. Clearly, my list
is heavily weighted toward principal players,
whereas yours emphasizes soloists. I'm not sure
who I would remove from your list to make room for
my additions, but Maurice Andre and Rafeal Mendez
must remain.
Anyway, these are my thoughts, for what they are
worth. I look forward to other posts.
Don Winters
BlastMaster
Bookman <mwb...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> I'm not sure if this has been posted before, but I want to know
This is a pandora's box if I've ever seen one...I can't believe you put
Vizzutti and Marsalis yet didn't include Miles.
Small group, in no particular order: Clifford Brown, Louis Armstrong,
Miles Davis, Dizzy Gillespie, Woody Shaw, Lee Morgan, Freddie Hubbard,
Clark Terry, Fats Navarro, Tom Harrell, Don Cherry (okay, so that's
eleven, sue me)
Lead trumpet: Snooky Young, period.
[There are too many omissions to justify here, but let me say that it's
a loaded question in the first place; I'd be much more comfortable with
rendering an opinion about players that I thought had a lasting impact
on the way the trumpet was played, especially in specific
idioms...there are lots of chops players that push my buttons on a
given day...]
By the way, that Brownie-Ferguson-Terry side is, IMHO, not top-flight
work by any of the trumpet players...
-- jeff
Michael James Delaune
the greatest cross-over players are. Everyone you mentioned is
a true artist in his/her own right, but there is always that
select few that can do it all.
Who do YOU consider the most versatile of the group you listed?
Food for thought,
Michael
Bookman (mwb...@my-deja.com) wrote:
: I'm not sure if this has been posted before, but I want to know
: everyones favorite trumpet players for legit and jazz work. Well,
: Here's mine:
dennis
> I think an even more interesting question would be to ask who
> the greatest cross-over players are.
just for the record, i heard maurice andre do some stuff that would indicate
that he could cross over to scream lead if he wanted to. go to:
http://www.2xtreme.net/maacha/Home.html
click on andre in left column, then click on canary cadenza.
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>
> Lead trumpet: Snooky Young, period.
>
Don Winters
Alan Rouse
cornets here because they were the "trumpets" of the era):
1. Buddy Bolden (ok, nobody alive has ever heard him play, but he is
without question one of the greats because he is credited with starting
it all).
2. King Oliver.
3. Bix
4. Bubber Miley (last name really should not be necessary...)
5. Jabbo Smith (there was only one Jabbo...besides Louis, the "other"
20's jazz trumpet virtuoso. Without Jabbo there would have been no Roy
Eldridge, and without him, no Dizzy Gillespe)
6. Roy Eldridge (see above)
7. Harry James (again, should not need last name...)
8. Miles
9. Freddie
10. Doc
Ok, it's a start.
BlastMaster
> Who do YOU consider the most versatile of the group you listed?
AH! Now there's a good question. From my list, Louis Armstrong
(though you wouldn't know it from his recording history), Miles Davis.
From my omissions list: Ferguson, Shew, Marsalis, Sandoval (ick), Ray
Sasaki (my own personal plug for my former teacher)...
That having been said, IMHO the most versatile trumpet players seldom
produce the highest impact music... ;)
-- jeff
Bookman
> > I'm not sure if this has been posted before,
> but I want to know
> > everyones favorite trumpet players for legit and
> jazz work. Well,
> > Here's mine:
>
>
> My jazz list would look a lot like yours, though
> the ranking would differ a little. I would
> probably find a place for Miles Davis. Even
> though he has not stood the test of time, I would
> be hard pressed not to include Ryan Kisor.
You can call me an idiot if you want to, but I really don care much for
Miles playing. I liked him when he was young, before the "I'm gonna
play all my solo's in a mute" phase. Miles was good, but that's not
the style I'm in to. I have never heard of Ryan Kisor. The last name
sounds a little familiar, but thats it.
>
> My classical list would look much different. Bud
> Herseth would have to be there; he would be near
> the top of my list. So, too, would Phil Smith,
> Thomas Stevens, and Manny Laureano. You will no
> doubt object to Laureano because of the Monnete
> connection, but first listen (if you haven't
> already) to the Minnesota recording of Strauss, An
> Alpine Symphony. It contains some awsome
> principal trumpet work. Going back in time, I
> would likely include . Clearly, my list
> is heavily weighted toward principal players,
> whereas yours emphasizes soloists. I'm not sure
> who I would remove from your list to make room for
> my additions, but Maurice Andre and Rafeal Mendez
> must remain.
>
> Anyway, these are my thoughts, for what they are
> worth. I look forward to other posts.
>
> Don Winters
Once again, Phil Smith is an awesome player, but not my style
classically. He seems to be a typical Princpal trumpet player. He has
the sound technique, but there is something missing that's not pushing
my "lights on" button. Amando Ghitallo, Bill Vacchino, and Max
Schlossberg, Thomas Stevens ;these guys slipped my mind. I enjoy these
guys very much. I enjoy so;o players better, because I like the
different ideas running through my head. I like the freakyness of
Allen Vizzutti, the smoothness of Chet Baker, the innocence of Clifford
Brown, and the TESTICULAR FORTITUDE Jon Faddis shines on everyone. I
feel these four different extremes will make me one better, well
excercised trumpet player.
--
Michael Bookman Jr.
Lead trumpet Myhouse Bigband
Bookman
BlastMaster <jhel...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> In article <7orvin$7v0$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> Bookman <mwb...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > I'm not sure if this has been posted before, but I want to know
>
> This is a pandora's box if I've ever seen one...I can't believe you
put
> Vizzutti and Marsalis yet didn't include Miles.
>
I left Miles out for a reason, check my previous post.
> Small group, in no particular order: Clifford Brown, Louis Armstrong,
> Miles Davis, Dizzy Gillespie, Woody Shaw, Lee Morgan, Freddie Hubbard,
> Clark Terry, Fats Navarro, Tom Harrell, Don Cherry (okay, so that's
> eleven, sue me)
>
Nice.....It would be so cool if all of these guys were together in one
concert!
> Lead trumpet: Snooky Young, period.
No doubt
>
> [There are too many omissions to justify here, but let me say that
it's
> a loaded question in the first place; I'd be much more comfortable
with
> rendering an opinion about players that I thought had a lasting impact
> on the way the trumpet was played, especially in specific
> idioms...there are lots of chops players that push my buttons on a
> given day...]
How many Allen Vizzutti type trumpet players are there today...0, in
the future....? Wynton Marsalis is the best crossover guy out there,
no doubt.
>
> By the way, that Brownie-Ferguson-Terry side is, IMHO, not top-flight
> work by any of the trumpet players...
Maynard was pretty young, but they all still pushed my buttons.
Weren't those guys in their 20's?
Bookman
mdel...@ocean.otr.usm.edu (Michael James Delaune) wrote:
> I think an even more interesting question would be to ask who
> a true artist in his/her own right, but there is always that
> select few that can do it all.
>
>
>
> Michael
Allen Vizutti and Wynton Marsalis are the best crossover players out
there. Wynton, when playing on a standard "old fashioned trumpet", is
number one
Howard Peirce
> Top ten omissions (jazz)--not in chronological order (I'm including
> cornets here because they were the "trumpets" of the era):
>
> 1. Buddy Bolden (ok, nobody alive has ever heard him play, but he is
> without question one of the greats because he is credited with starting
> it all).
While Bolden is semi-legendary, you might mention Manuel Perez--at one
time or another Perez taught all the great New Orleans trumpeters. Perez
probably deserves more credit for "starting it all."
> 2. King Oliver.
> 3. Bix
> 4. Bubber Miley (last name really should not be necessary...)
> 5. Jabbo Smith (there was only one Jabbo...besides Louis, the "other"
> 20's jazz trumpet virtuoso. Without Jabbo there would have been no Roy
> Eldridge, and without him, no Dizzy Gillespe)
I'd add Henry "Red" Allen to the list of virtuouso trumpeters whose
careers started in the 20s. For swing jazz, you've got to include the
incredible team of Buck Clayton and Sweets Edison (RIP, Sweets).
> 6. Roy Eldridge (see above)
> 7. Harry James (again, should not need last name...)
> 8. Miles
> 9. Freddie
> 10. Doc
I'd have to include Don Cherry and Lester Bowie on any list of significant
jazz trumpeters. By the way, in case you haven't heard, it was recently
announced that Lester Bowie has been diagnosed with liver cancer.
Celebrate him now. I suggest everyone get out and buy Lester's "The
Oddysey of Funk of Popular Music," with Brass Fantasy.
HP
BlastMaster
> I left Miles out for a reason, check my previous post.
Okay:
> You can call me an idiot if you want to, but I really don
> care much for Miles playing.
Not only won't I call you an idiot, I won't correct your typos.
There's nothing wrong with not caring for Miles' approach to the horn,
but anyone who had as significant impact as Miles did on the way solos
were approached on the horn deserves more consideration than "I don't
like everything he did before 1960," or some such thing. In my opinion.
> How many Allen Vizzutti type trumpet players are there today...0, in
> the future....?
I'm not a Vizzutti fan, so I'll leave this alone.
> Wynton Marsalis is the best crossover guy out there, no doubt.
If you mean classical->jazz soloist, you can certainly make a case for
that...how about jazz soloist/lead player?
> Maynard was pretty young, but they all still pushed my buttons.
> Weren't those guys in their 20's?
I don't recall the recording date (1955?)...my point is that I think
they all play much better on other sessions, and that I thought this is
more a novelty recording than something subject to serious review for
its jazz content. [Don't get me wrong, I loved this album when I first
heard it 15 years ago...] Your opinion may differ, of course, and this
is a bit off-subject (my fault for pursuing it in the first place).
-- jeff
BlastMaster
> 10. Doc
I assume you mean Cheatham and not Sevrinson (sp?)...
BlastMaster
dlwi...@my-deja.com wrote:
> .
> >
> > Lead trumpet: Snooky Young, period.
> >
What's your recommendation for a CD showing off his best work? I'm
willing to be open-minded on this, I just haven't heard anyone with as
recognizable sound, phrasing, and consistent swinging as Snooky. Plus
he's not a bad soloist...
Howard Peirce
> > Small group, in no particular order: Clifford Brown, Louis Armstrong,
> > Miles Davis, Dizzy Gillespie, Woody Shaw, Lee Morgan, Freddie Hubbard,
> > Clark Terry, Fats Navarro, Tom Harrell, Don Cherry (okay, so that's
> > eleven, sue me)
> >
>
> Nice.....It would be so cool if all of these guys were together in one
> concert!
Well, if you like oddly mixed up trumpet jam sessions, see if you can't
find a video of "Sass 'n Brass" an HBO special from the early 80s. Really
strange lineup, not sure if I remember them all correctly: Dizzy, Don
Cherry, Chuck Mangione, ... aargh! who else? Was it Woody? Freddie? Can't
remember. It was at best a spectacular failure, with none of the players
featured to advantage, although hearing both Don Cherry and Mangione show
that they can play bebop was kind of fun.
> How many Allen Vizzutti type trumpet players are there today...0, in
> the future....? Wynton Marsalis is the best crossover guy out there,
> no doubt.
Well, my problem is, I can't think of a single "good, all-around player"
whose music excites me. I'd far rather listen to an idiosyncratic, even
unconventional trumpeter who's got something unique to offer.
> > By the way, that Brownie-Ferguson-Terry side is, IMHO, not top-flight
> > work by any of the trumpet players...
>
> Maynard was pretty young, but they all still pushed my buttons.
> Weren't those guys in their 20's?
That was recorded in '55, right? Brownie was a pup (and always will be),
but CT had been around awhile. Not sure about MF--he's in his 70s now,
right? So 45 years ago he would've been late 20s/early 30s.
I think the deal with the Dinah Jams session is that it was poorly
conceived by EmArCy. And while CT, Brownie, and MF are each fantastic
players, they don't mesh particularly well. I like that recording for the
circus atmosphere, but when I want to enjoy the individuals, I go to the
recordings where they were more comfortable and better featured. (Speaking
of MF and EmArCy, I always considered the West Coasty, small group sessions
released LP as Stratospheric perhaps my favorite MF of all time, except for
the Birdland Dream Band.)
HP
Bryan Fields
Howard Peirce wrote:
> Well, if you like oddly mixed up trumpet jam sessions, see if you can't
> find a video of "Sass 'n Brass" an HBO special from the early 80s. Really
> strange lineup, not sure if I remember them all correctly: Dizzy, Don
> Cherry, Chuck Mangione, ... aargh!
>
Speaking of Mangione, anybody know what he's doing these days? I remember
seeing a website for him a couple of years ago that said he was playing trumpet
again and had a project in the works. He gets no airplay around here (I listen
to UNT's straight ahead jazz station all the time; the wimpy jazz station in
Dallas plays his old stuff occasionally (it still amazes me that he made so
much money on "Feels So Good"), but haven't heard anything new.
Speaking of Mangione, ever have a non-musician (one of the unwashed masses)
come up to you at a gig after seeing your flugelhorn and ask if you can play
"Feels So Good?"
I knew a guitar player in college who hated to bring his axe out in public
because some goober would always ask if he could play "Stairway to Heaven."
SO...(new thread coming here)
What are your least favorite nerd request tunes?
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players of the instrument of all jazz trumpet players.
There are many lesser known studio players that are capable of Al
Vizzutti's versatility and much more.
Check out Jerry Hey, Chuck Findley and Gary Grant. I think both Tim
Hagans and Randy Brecker deserve a mention before Wynton.
Dulia
Howard Peirce
> Speaking of Mangione, anybody know what he's doing these days?
He's got a new album out. I haven't heard it. One of the big jazz mags (db or JT,
not sure which) gave it a qualified positive review--not much to get excited
about, but nothing really to dislike, either.
> Speaking of Mangione, ever have a non-musician (one of the unwashed masses)
> come up to you at a gig after seeing your flugelhorn and ask if you can play
> "Feels So Good?"
Sure. I usually say something like, "Oh sure, I *can* play it." Then go on to
something else. If I'm feeling really smartass, I might play a few bars of that,
or maybe Herb Alpert's The Spanish Flea, and camp it up for laughs.
> What are your least favorite nerd request tunes?
In The Mood--#1 most hated. I really hate that. Absolutely inexcusable when I'm
with a quartet.
Take 5--Once had a guy ask, "Can you do that Brubeck tune? I can't think of the
name of it. You know the one." And I just said, "Brubeck wrote a lot of tunes. Is
it In Your Own Sweet Way? No? Well, let me know when you think of it."
New York, New York--cheesy 70s pop song that somehow successfully masquerades as
an old standard.
Girl from Ipanema--not so much because I don't like the tune, but because of the
"Hey, I know the name of a jazz song. Will you play it so I can hear how it goes?"
...and many more.
HP
EarleSlick
hall of fame list: based mainly on their impact and influence on the art;
Armstrong, Dizzy, Miles, Hubbard, Brown, Roy Eldridge, Fats navarro, Lee
Morgan,/Blue Mitchell, Maynard, and Wynton.
contemporary faves:
Nicholas payton, Ryan Kisor, Marcus Printup, Russell Gunn, Roy Hargrove,
Terrence blanchard, Terrell Stafford, Pete Minger, Wallace Roney and I guess
Wynton again. Tiger Okoshi/and Dmitry Matheny get honorable mention///earl
slick
just my opinion, I could be wrong
Zorba the Greek
even know what a %22Legit%22 trumpet player is, but I'd have to say my
favorite trumpet player is Herb Alpert
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when I heard he had played in Maynards band. It still kind of amazes me.
Bill
Howard Peirce wrote in message <37B1C272...@sdrc.com>...
>Well, if you like oddly mixed up trumpet jam sessions, see if you can't
>find a video of "Sass 'n Brass" an HBO special from the early 80s. Really
>strange lineup, not sure if I remember them all correctly: Dizzy, Don
Dr. Trumpet
> 7. Wynton Marsalis (Not on Monette), Standard time series I like
Recorded on Monette instruments
> 4. Wynton Marsalis (not on Monette) - Gabriel's Garden. On the
> twentieth Century with Judith Stillman. Two different albums, two
> different instruments, an awesome sound(gabriel), a good sound(2oth
> cuntury)
The 20th century album was also recorded on a Monette trumpet
> Wynton Marsalis(Monette) Still a good sound, but not as strong as I
> like. I wish I could make as good a sound though....
>
Two of the above cited works were recorded with Monette trumpets. I think
your theoryu on not liking them is leaking water. Perhaps the bias is
nothing to do with the sound, or perhaps the sound has nothing to do with
the bias? Personally, I love Monette trumpets, but if a fellow walks out
with a kazoo and burns it up, I give credit whjere it is due.
AL
P.S. Monette work for me!
TrmpTrim
>when I heard he had played in Maynards band. It still kind of amazes me.
I remember once Maynard, Chuck and Dizzy did a gig together. Not sure Chuck
played in his band for any length of time tho.
Alan Rouse
BlastMaster <jhel...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > 10. Doc
>
> I assume you mean Cheatham and not Sevrinson (sp?)...
>
> -- jeff
well, at first I meant Severinsen. But when I wrote Doc, I
thought "hey, that's ambiguous..." and decided to leave it that way.
Either way is justifiable.
Bookman
dr_trpt-...@hotmail.com (Dr. Trumpet) wrote:
> In article <7orvin$7v0$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, Bookman <mwb1jr@my-
deja.com> wrote:
>
> > 7. Wynton Marsalis (Not on Monette), Standard time series I like
>
> Recorded on Monette instruments
Sounded bright on the first one......
>
> > 4. Wynton Marsalis (not on Monette) - Gabriel's Garden. On the
> > twentieth Century with Judith Stillman. Two different albums, two
> > different instruments, an awesome sound(gabriel), a good sound(2oth
> > cuntury)
>
> The 20th century album was also recorded on a Monette trumpet
>
I know that little man.....
> > Wynton Marsalis(Monette) Still a good sound, but not as strong as I
> > like. I wish I could make as good a sound though....
> >
>
> Two of the above cited works were recorded with Monette trumpets. I
think
> your theoryu on not liking them is leaking water. Perhaps the bias is
> nothing to do with the sound, or perhaps the sound has nothing to do
with
> the bias? Personally, I love Monette trumpets, but if a fellow walks
out
> with a kazoo and burns it up, I give credit whjere it is due.
>
> AL
>
> P.S. Monette work for me!
Kazoo, Monette? Don't you dare compare Monette to kazoos!! Give him
more respect than that. If a guy sounds good on Monette stuff, I can
dig it. I know a couple of no name players that can pull it off. But
what I hear from Monette instruments and mouthpieces is a dead sound,
no brilliance at all. I like something that can shatter glass. Since
you know so much, tell me why you use that stuff. I got no beef with
Monette, I really respect what he's trying to do for trumpet players.
(You guys turned me around, believe it or not.....)
>
--
Michael Bookman Jr.
Lead trumpet Myhouse Bigband
BlastMaster
soloist portion of it) convert from a "favorite players" to "most
significant players"/"players with the most chops" discussion?
Seems to me these deserve three different threads.
How about "top ten tapes you listen to in your car",
"top ten trumpet solos that significantly impacted your playing",
"top ten trumpet recordings that made your hair stand on end"?
-- jeff
Greg Evans
>
> P.S. Monette work for me!
I thought he was self-employed! :-)
Dr. Trumpet
> Since
> you know so much, tell me why you use that stuff.
First, I don't "know so much", but I have tried and do use the equipment
and find that your criticisms lack the viewpoint of one who has tried the
equipment. I see stock "knock phrases" applied by many non-users of
Monette equipment, but have never read in one of your replies "I tried a
Monette mouthpiece for a month, and found that....." Agree or disagree, I
would respect your opinion then because you made the effort, you tried the
product, and found that it did (or did not) meet your needs. The fallacy
I see perpetuated it that the trumpet makes the man. Any concept of sound
can be enhanced by equipment selection. Any can be made better.
I use Monette equipment because the trumpets and mouthpieces respond and
match my concept of sound. As I have never heard you play or know nothing
of your talent on the trumpet, I can only say the above. It may be that
your idea of trumpet tone is not enhanced by Monette equipmment. I
respect that. I do not respect attacks without basis of experience or
fact.
In regards to earlier Wynton albums with Monette sounding brighter, it was
because he was using a lighter, brighter instrument then (still a
Monette). He now uses his Raja, but also has a 900 series instrument for
use in the LCJO. The latest lighter Monette horns (the STC-1 C and the
2000LT) are as brilliant and full as any trumpet you could want. I heard
John Chudoba play a few double Cs and beyond that would rip the hair off
your head. Of course, he was playing a 900 series trumpet.
Perhaps I am being hard on your assessments, but when I see you post
ignorant statements like "by a Bach megatone instead, they're the same"
when one asks about the mouthpieces, your opinion shows a lack of
knowledge of the product and of the instruments, and lacks the authority
of informed viewpoint. Attack of that nature are unfair and useless to
this NG. There is a great deal of difference between the two, and if you
take the time to search the archives of this NG, you would find that the
topic was discussed ad nauseum long before you arrived on the scene.
Ignorance of the past of the NG does not make the point valid again.
I personally have no beef with you, Michael. It is just I find so much to
object to in what you chose to post. Opinions are fine, but opinions
without any basis of experience are ignorant. Not stupid, ignorant. Big
difference.
AL
Jim Marquess
to.My comments are just related to jazz: Booker Little. Tremendous
player who died young like Clifford but was very influencial to other
plays--esp Freddie. I'm somewhat surprised at how little comment has
been made about Woody Shaw. I thought that he was regarded by other
trumpet players to have take the horn to a new level. I think I only saw
one mention of him. I was very surprised not to see Tom Harrell's name
pop up. Anyway, just some thoughts. Thanks for the thread. Jim
Bookman wrote:
> I'm not sure if this has been posted before, but I want to know
> everyones favorite trumpet players for legit and jazz work. Well,
> Here's mine:
>
> "Jazz"
> 1. Louis Armstrong - He's a badass in his time and ours!
> 2. Clifford Brown - You can take his solos and write a new song from
> them! He's seems innocent...
> 3. Dizzy Gillespie - Great licks, but I wish he could've rubbed a
> little of himself on Charlie Parker....
> 4. Clark Terry - Upside down?!?! I got a record of him, Clifford
> Brown
> and Maynard Ferguson on stage. AWESOME!!!
> 5. Allen Vizzutti - Freaky!! Trumpet Summit Rocks!!
> 6. Arturo Sandoval - Flight to Freedom, Danzon, "classical Album", I
> remember Clifford, great jazz Cd's
> 7. Wynton Marsalis (Not on Monette), Standard time series I like
> 8. Dan Evans - Old teacher, could play anything!
> 9. Ingrid Jenson - I like the message she is sending
> 10. Chet Baker - I dig tha sound
>
> "Honorable mentions"
> Jon Faddis - Almost wet my britches when I heard him play over a 25
> piece jazz ensemble, UNMIKED!!!
>
> Maynard Ferguson - What can I say, he started it all
>
> Bobby Shew - Shewhorn?!?!
>
> Al Hirt - Music makes me wanna bounce.
>
> "Legit"
>
> 1. Maurice Andre - no contest
> 2. Rafael Mendez - His style is awesome!
> 3. Allen Vizzutti - One one...FREAKY!!
> 4. Wynton Marsalis (not on Monette) - Gabriel's Garden. On the
> twentieth Century with Judith Stillman. Two different albums, two
> different instruments, an awesome sound(gabriel), a good sound(2oth
> cuntury)
> 5. Gerard Schwarz
> 6. Walter Gleisle
> 7. Edward Carroll
> 8. Timofei Dokshitzer
> 9. Niklas Eklund - Best natural trumpet player I've ever heard.
> 10. Mark Gould
>
> Wynton Marsalis(Monette) Still a good sound, but not as strong as I
> like. I wish I could make as good a sound though....
>
> Arturo Sandoval - Sounds great on solo's he's written, nuff said.
> Classical Album?!?!?
>
> Scott Englebright/Donny Dyess - Tastee Bros 98, Hummel was awesome,
> but
> they were sharp overall on the last trill on the first movement.
>
> Guy Touvron, Great cd's, but he had a bad night when he came to town.
> It happens, he's still awesome.
>
> These are my favorites, what're yours?
> --
> Michael Bookman Jr.
> Lead trumpet Myhouse Bigband
>
f_dunn
outing for either of them.
BlastMaster <jhel...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:7os72c$duf$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <7orvin$7v0$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> Bookman <mwb...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > I'm not sure if this has been posted before, but I want to know
> > everyones favorite trumpet players for [...] jazz work.
>
> This is a pandora's box if I've ever seen one...I can't believe you put
> Vizzutti and Marsalis yet didn't include Miles.
>
> Small group, in no particular order: Clifford Brown, Louis Armstrong,
> Miles Davis, Dizzy Gillespie, Woody Shaw, Lee Morgan, Freddie Hubbard,
> Clark Terry, Fats Navarro, Tom Harrell, Don Cherry (okay, so that's
> eleven, sue me)
>
> Lead trumpet: Snooky Young, period.
>
> [There are too many omissions to justify here, but let me say that it's
> a loaded question in the first place; I'd be much more comfortable with
> rendering an opinion about players that I thought had a lasting impact
> on the way the trumpet was played, especially in specific
> idioms...there are lots of chops players that push my buttons on a
> given day...]
>
> By the way, that Brownie-Ferguson-Terry side is, IMHO, not top-flight
> work by any of the trumpet players...
>
> -- jeff
f_dunn
<dlwi...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:7osadj$gfs$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> .
> >
> > Lead trumpet: Snooky Young, period.
> >
>
Jim Marquess
Tom Harrell. I think his taste runs close to mine. Jim
Jim Marquess wrote:
> What a fun thread! Always good to hear what other players are
> listening
> to.My comments are just related to jazz: Booker Little. Tremendous
> player who died young like Clifford but was very influencial to other
> plays--esp Freddie. I'm somewhat surprised at how little comment has
> been made about Woody Shaw. I thought that he was regarded by other
> trumpet players to have take the horn to a new level. I think I only
> saw
> one mention of him. I was very surprised not to see Tom Harrell's
> name
> pop up. Anyway, just some thoughts. Thanks for the thread. Jim
>
> Bookman wrote:
>
> > I'm not sure if this has been posted before, but I want to know
J. M. TERRY
what Arthur Pryor did for trombone in this country,
Just ask Wynton or Gerard, both who have recorded Clarke extensively,
but never had the pleasure of studying with him as did several other
major players such as Mendez.
Just wondering, Mike Terry
Howard Peirce
> I did just know note that Howard Peirce mentioned both Woody Shaw and
> Tom Harrell. I think his taste runs close to mine. Jim
Actually, I think that was Al. Not that Shaw and Harrell aren't terrific
players that I've spent quite a bit of listening time with. I am the only
poster who mentioned Lester Bowie, who is just about my favorite living
player besides Clark Terry. IMO Bowie is phenomenal musician, and an
inimitable trumpeter, who seems to be far more popular outside the trumpet
community than in it.
You may not think you're familiar with Bowie, or you may think he's too
"outside" or avant-garde, but that was Bowie's group Brass Fantasy doing
the theme to the Cosby show along about the 5th or 6th season. How much
more mainstream can you get?
And, as I mentioned before, Bowie's just been diagnosed with liver cancer,
which is a fairly aggressive disease, and I think you all should go out and
buy all his CDs while the income can still do him some good. I highly
recommend the latest Lester Bowie's Brass Fantasy CD, "The Oddysey of Funk
and Popular Music." A 15 piece brass band plus drums, doing totally
off-the-wall arrangements of Andrew Lloyd Webber, Marilyn Manson, the Spice
Girls, and Rossini, et al. Bowie's arrangement of the Spice Girls' insipid
"Two Become One" actually succeeds in being breathtakingly gorgeous.
Bowie's low register is like thunderheads on the far horizon on an
otherwise sunny day. The only weak tune on there is the one rap number,
which sadly is the cut getting airplay on jazz radio around here.
You'd think a group like Brass Fantasy would be discussed and enjoyed by
the whole brass community. Say you can't stand Bowie? Then buy the CD just
for the amazing tuba playing by Bob Stewart--worth the price of
admission--or Vincent Chancey's gutbucket french horn playing.
HP
J. M. TERRY
often wondered if there's something wrong with me that I don't, never
could and never will appreciate Miles' playing. As for Wynton when it
comes to jazz, I think he will always be over-shadowed by greats such as
Clark Terry. But when it comes to legit, I'd just as soon listen to him
as Maurice Andre. BTW, I once heard Maurice in concert with only a pipe
organ at the Academy of Music in Phila. He did the entire 2 hour
concert on piccolo trpt. and that incredible son-of-a-gun never even
came close to popping a clam.
Regards, Mike Terry ( No, I'm not the illegitimate son of Clark but I
would be honored)
Greg Evans
> Freddie Hubbard belongs near the top of the list. IMO among the best
> players of the instrument of all jazz trumpet players.
OK, I don't really get Hubbard's appeal. Granted I haven't sought out
everything of his, but what I have heard sounds brash and un-subtle (at
best) to my ears.
What do you consider his best stuff? I'm willing to change my mind...
Finn McMaster
Howard, I can really agree with you there. I dig the guys playing.
Granted, I've listened to a hell of a lot it, but what I have....
The greatest version of 'the great pretender' I think you'll ever
hear!
Finn McMaster <fi...@mcmaster.wattle.id.au>
Howard Peirce <howard...@sdrc.com> writes:
--
Finn McMaster
--
---> Finn McMaster <fi...@mcmaster.wattle.id.au> <---
Robert DeSavage
>.
>>
>> Lead trumpet: Snooky Young, period.
>>
>Not so quick. How about Conrad Gozzo.
>
>Don Winters
>
>
>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
While we're on the subject, Uan Rasey, Don Fagarquist, Bobby Hackett
come to mind. Also, a couple of dudes I knew 35 years ago during my
Navy days who were exceptional then as they are today - Gary Adams and
Stan Mark.
Bob
mat...@pinn.net
Red Clay -CTI
Skydive -CTI
Hub Tones -Blue Note
First Light -CTI
The Artistry Of Freddie Hubbard - Impulse
If, after listening to that, you still have the same opinion, then there's
no changing your mind in the face of overwhelming evidence.
Rob D
Bryan Fields
Maurice Andre. (around 1982, I think) I heard him scratch one note slightly
in rehearsal--not really a clam, just one note that was a little on the
rough side. He turned to the conductor and asked him what the altitude was
in Salt Lake. The conductor (Varujan Kojian) told him it was 4500 feet.
Andre smiled, shook his head, took a few deep breaths, and went on. He
didn't bobble another note for the rest of the rehearsal or two concerts
afterwards.
In defense of Freddie Hubbard (for the guy who couldn't see his appeal):
Listen to the 1976 recording "Mel Lewis & Friends" (featuring Freddie,
Michael Brecker, Ron Carter, and Hank Jones) and see just how much
personality Freddie plays with. Also listen to his early work with Herbie
Hancock, et al, such as "Up Jumped Spring." Don't judge him by the
commercial stuff he did in the 70's and early 80's (Freddie himself
described most of it as ****[insert colorful euphemism for excrement]).
Freddie Hubbard is one of the few jazz musicians I have listened to whose
playing actually brought tears to my eyes (tears of joy, not pain).
J. M. TERRY wrote:
--
Greg Evans
> Listen to thes albums:
>
> Red Clay -CTI
> Skydive -CTI
> Hub Tones -Blue Note
> First Light -CTI
> The Artistry Of Freddie Hubbard - Impulse
>
> If, after listening to that, you still have the same opinion, then there's
> no changing your mind in the face of overwhelming evidence.
Thanks, I'll give them a try. The stuff I heard is on older Herbie Hancock
(Empyrean Isles or Maiden Voyage, I forget which) and Wayne Shorter (Speak
No Evil) albums. On those I hear moderately OK improv sprinkled with
bobbled notes and some harsh screeched high-notes. It just reminds me of
the kind of attempted showing-off the first-chair trumpet players did in
high school. By that I don't mean to imply that Hubbard sounds *that* bad
(he's not unlistenable to me, just far from being one of my favorites), just
that I hear that aspect in his playing.
However, the amount of admiration I hear for him leads me to believe I'm
just missing something. I'll give those albums a listen before I close my
mind
entirely! :-)
BlastMaster
Howard Peirce <howard...@sdrc.com> wrote:
> Jim Marquess wrote:
>
> > I did just know note that Howard Peirce mentioned both Woody Shaw
and
> > Tom Harrell. I think his taste runs close to mine. Jim
>
> Actually, I think that was Al
They both made my list.
As for Lester Bowie, I really would love some recommendations for a
couple of sides, I don't have enough exposure to his music to have a
reliable opinion of his work.
As for Booker Little, yeah, he should have made mine a top-12... :)
-- jeff
Bookman
Well, I learn something everyday! I didn't know he made lightweight
horns that produce a nice, brilliant sound. Maybe I'll check it
out.... So, you don't have a beef with me? Have a chicken?
Does this John guy have anything out in texas I can listen to? any
mp3's?
--
Michael Bookman Jr.
Lead trumpet Myhouse Bigband
Dr. Trumpet
> Does this John guy have anything out in texas I can listen to? any
> mp3's?
Michael,
There is an album he plays lead on, as he was lead trumpet with......the
name escapes me....oh yes, Maynard FERGUSON!!!! Seriously, John is quite
a lead player and has been working the shows in Chicago since he came off
the road with Maynard. Also done some work in Vegas, Europe and a host of
other top flight free lance stuff with a host of big names. He and Craig
Johnson presented a lead clinic at Monette in April, then proceeded to
burn down the house with some phenomenal lead playing with a Big Band of
Maynard alumni. You should know Craig ans a UNT Alumni and Maynard Alumni
who is now playing Fosse on Broadway as lead trumpet, and John was at Cal
State/Northridge beofer two years on the road with Maynard and another two
with the Woody Herman Orchestra.
Hop[e that helps,
Al
P.S. Take a look at http://www.monette.com
DoubleC39
>Does this John guy have anything out in texas I can listen to? any
>mp3's?
Why mp3's?
Pops
Ok here is my list.
Al,
Bud,
Dizzy,
Harry,
Hebert L.,
Jake,
Louis,
Maynard,
Rafael,
Red
Talking about each player in his prime.
Pops
A collection of Net Trumpet Lessons.
http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/Delta/2429/Lessons.html
Information about my 2 books. "The No Nonsense Trumpet From A-Z" &
"Trumpet FAQ's" http://www.bbtrumpet.com
Best wishes
Clint 'Pops' McLaughlin
Soarlip
players that I play the most and tend to gravitate towards for what ever
reasons, and in no particular order:
Blue Mitchell
Don Fagerquist
Miles Davis
Freddie Hubbard
Woody Shaw
Lee Morgan
Nat Adderly
Chet Baker
Bobby Hackett
Other tpt players I like to listen to:
Rafael Mendez
Phil Driscoll
Chocolate Armentos (Salsa)
Piro Rodriguez (Salsa)
Luis Perico Ortiz (Salsa)
dennis
hino. and i've really only heard one cd of his, but it is so lyrical, and i don't get tired of
listening to it. titled "unforgettable". he plays a yamaha cornet on it. cedar walton does
some nice piano work in the quartet. very nice late-nite listening. i don't know if he is
known for playing trumpet. now that i think of it, i should see what else he has available.
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My suggestions for getting aquainted with Freddie:
"Goin' Up" -- Every tune is great. The rhythm section is burning. Check
out Pec-a-Sec. Great solo on rhythm changes. Also a great ballad.
"Caravan" (Art Blakey) The title cut is awesome. Skylark is a
masterpiece. And Thermo..... try to practice along with this one.
"Ready for Freddie" Unfortunately out of print.
"Little Sunflower" (Milt Jackson) This one might as well be Freddie's
date. Nearly on the same level as First Light, which I would agree is
one of Freddie's best.
Enjoy,
Dulia
In article <37B42BC2...@pinn.net>,
"mat...@pinn.net" <mat...@pinn.net> wrote:
> Listen to thes albums:
>
> Red Clay -CTI
> Skydive -CTI
> Hub Tones -Blue Note
> First Light -CTI
> The Artistry Of Freddie Hubbard - Impulse
>
> If, after listening to that, you still have the same opinion, then there's
> no changing your mind in the face of overwhelming evidence.
>
> Rob D
>
> Greg Evans wrote:
>
> > <du...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > > Freddie Hubbard belongs near the top of the list. IMO among the best
> > > players of the instrument of all jazz trumpet players.
> >
> > OK, I don't really get Hubbard's appeal. Granted I haven't sought out
> > everything of his, but what I have heard sounds brash and un-subtle (at
> > best) to my ears.
> >
> > What do you consider his best stuff? I'm willing to change my mind...
>
>
Trevor Marcho
chops!!!
--Trevor Marcho
Greg Evans
As it turned out I even had one of the suggested recordings (Art Blakey's
_Caravan_) in my CD rack (I recently got a new job with resulting increased
disposable income, and I've gone little nuts buying new CDs...). Having
given it a listen, I can say that while Mr. Hubbard may never become my
favorite trumpet player I heard some pretty cool stuff. Much of his playing
is still too "brash" for my taste, but that's just me.
Again, thanks for the tips. I'll keep listening.
Greg Evans
Dr. Trumpet
My favorite is Free for All-great album! That Pensative cut with Freddie
is the max!
AL
BlastMaster
soa...@aol.com (Soarlip) wrote:
> While I own cd's, tapes and albums of so many players, these are the
jazz
> players that I play the most and tend to gravitate towards for what
ever
> reasons, and in no particular order:
> Don Fagerquist
Nice to see someone mention this player. He and Jack Sheldon did great
work with Dave Pell and Mel Torme, amongst others...
-- jeff
Howard Peirce
> As for Lester Bowie, I really would love some recommendations for a
> couple of sides, I don't have enough exposure to his music to have a
> reliable opinion of his work.
I'd think the best introduction (especially for brass players) would be
the Brass Fantasy recordings. I really like The Oddysey of Funk and
Popular Music, his latest. I can also recommend Avant Pop, which was the
first one. I think there's one or two others I don't have.
Brass Fantasy is also a great introduction to tubist Bob Stewart, who is
astounding. Steve Turre is on Avant Pop, but not the newer one (but I
think Ray Anderson is; have to check). And Vincent Chancey is a
revelation on french horn.
Bowie's best known, of course, for his 30 years or so with the Art
Ensemble of Chicago. I'm not sure if that's the best introduction to his
trumpeting--AEC is further out than, say, Tiny Bell Trio, and sometimes
it's hard to get a clear idea of Dave Douglas just from the Tiny Bell
stuff. Same applies to Bowie and the AEC.
I seem to recall a recording that Bowie did with Pat Matheny in the
mid-80s, that's the clearest expression of his hard bop/post bop
abilities.
HP
Robert DeSavage
wrote:
>In article <19990813234904...@ng-fa1.aol.com>,
> soa...@aol.com (Soarlip) wrote:
>> While I own cd's, tapes and albums of so many players, these are the
>jazz
>> players that I play the most and tend to gravitate towards for what
>ever
>> reasons, and in no particular order:
>> [...]
>> Don Fagerquist
>
>Nice to see someone mention this player. He and Jack Sheldon did great
>work with Dave Pell and Mel Torme, amongst others...
>
>-- jeff
>
Not only them, but Mancini as well. DF did some very nice solo work on
the old TV series Mr. Lucky. He played with such taste, and his
characteristic long phrases, vibrato, and animated style made him one
of a kind. He was a true genius, Sheldon did a very nice job playing
Round Midnight on one of Mancini's albums.
Bob
David A. Roth
>
> 1. Maurice Andre - no contest
David V. McGuire
>given it a listen, I can say that while Mr. Hubbard may never become my
>favorite trumpet player I heard some pretty cool stuff. Much of his playing
>is still too "brash" for my taste, but that's just me.
I just got in on this thread. I have two or three of Freddie's CDs.
I think it is a great sound. My teacher says I like a "fat" sound.
If anyone has some other artists in this style, I'd be interested in
some good CDs. Thanks!
David
--
David V. McGuire (mailto: dvmc...@mindspring.com)
Danville, Virginia, USA
Amateur Radio Callsign: AE4LH
Trumpet: Jupiter 1200S
Life is Short: PRAY HARD!
Spencer
Hi David,
I really like Jim Manley on his "Lip Thrill" album. He has a fat sound (I also
like a fat sound)! I got the CD off of the Cyberjaz (Rich Szabo) website.
Spencer Hager Jr.
RITMOCONGA
Soarlip's the first one (from what I can tel) who got some of the Latino
players. These guys are amazing trumpet players - chops out the wazoo. Some to
add to the list would be Luis Aquino - check out his playing on Marc Anthony's
recordings as well as Grupo Mania, one of the hottest merengue bands around.
Some others: Jesus Alemany with his band Cubanismo, Juancito Torres, Roberto
Rodriguez, Victor Paz.
On the jazz side, definitely Woody, he's the master. Also, about 2 years the
Mingus Big Band was here in Cleveland and on it was Earl Gardner (great lead
player), Ryan Kisor, and a guy named Alex Sipiagen (sic) who blew everybody
away, even more than Kisor. Check him out.
Don
donald.l...@vanderbilt.edu
> Mingus Big Band was here in Cleveland and on it was Earl Gardner
(great lead
> player), Ryan Kisor, and a guy named Alex Sipiagen (sic) who blew
everybody
> away, even more than Kisor. Check him out.
>
> Don
>
When I heard the Mingus band on that tour, the trumpet section included
these three plus Randy Brecker. I agree that Gardner played great lead,
but the real star of the section that night was Kisor. His solo on
Diane was one of the most complex and imaginative I've heard. Check it
out on the Mingus CD "Live in Time."
Don Winters
ThomasJ611
But I didn't see anyone mention Claude Gordon or Vacchiano. In the jazz vein,
no one mentioned sveral honaorable mentionables like Lew Soloff, Marvin Stamm,
and one of the grandfathers, Bix Beiderbecke. Bottom line is, there are a lot
of good players, and a list of 10 is pretty small to narrow down!
Robert DeSavage
Add to that list of greats (the late?) Bernie Glow. Billy Butterfield
was no slouch either.
Bob