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Dave Painchaud

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Jun 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/19/99
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First time poster! Great newsgroup. I've been reading you folks for a few
months and I've learned a ton - you've made me think about and try some
things (I played with my tuning slide upside down today - interesting, it
does slot better) I would never have come up with on my own.

On an earlier thread Jerry Houston mentioned in regard to a Benge CG horn
that there were some markings on the second valve casing "where you would
normally find the bore size indicated". I checked out my old F. Besson MEHA
purchased, I believe, in 1982. I've been trying to figure out recently what
the bore size is on this thing. On the second valve casing it said "438".
Underneath this was an oval with "F Besson" & "Z Kanstul" inside. Could it
really have been 438? Do any of you wise humans know if Besson ever put
together a trumpet with a 438 bore? It seems extraordinarily small for a
pro model horn. I (literally) am not sure I can believe my eyes - perhaps
the figure refers to something else.

Thanks a bunch for any info you can provide. I won't be posting often - I
can't hang; but I'll be reading voraciously! Keep it up.

Dave Painchaud

Jerry Houston

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Jun 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/20/99
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I'm not a Meha expert, but I'm sure you'll find some here. On the subject
of a pro instrument with a bore as small as .438, however, I can affirm that
there have been some.

In fact, my "long model" CONNstellation cornet has a bore that measures
about .430, best I can tell with my calipers. (I'm not sure what its
officially specified size is - it's possible that it's really .432 or so,
but it's way smaller than .438.)

... and I'm here to tell ya, that sucker puts out almost as much sound as my
other CONNstellation - a "short model" .484-bore. I wouldn't have guessed
that it has that small a bore just from playing it or from hearing it.

(I suspect that it will be easier to play for longer periods than my
big-bore instruments, which is why I bought it, but there hasn't been the
occasion for a good test yet.)

Jerry in Seattle

PS: I've heard nothing but great comments about the Meha. You've got a
keeper there!

Dave Painchaud <MELLO...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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> <snip> I checked out my old F. Besson MEHA

Rhocken

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Jun 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/20/99
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Your F. Besson MEHA was made by Zig Kanstul in his shop in Anaheim. The bore
on those horns was .468 (perhaps .464). The number 438 is not the bore size.
Zig could probably tell you what it means if you call or email
(kanst...@aol.com) with a brief description and serial number.

BNTRUMPET

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Jun 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/20/99
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>I've been trying to figure out recently what
>the bore size is on this thing.

Dave:

To confirm your bore size, use a set of good calipers (digital are easiest) and
measure the inside diameter of the 2nd valve slide. You will want to take a
number of measurements around the slide as the metal can flex .001" or
.002"....your slide should also be very clean as any build-up can throw off the
measurement as well.

Good luck.

Bjorn
Love my French Besson

JFDonaldsn

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Jun 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/20/99
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>I've been trying to figure out recently what the bore size
>is on this thing. On the second valve casing it said "438".
>Underneath this was an oval with "F Besson" & "Z >Kanstul" inside.

Traditionally, Besson Mehas have been larger bore instruments with the Besson
Brevettes being smaller bored (I know there are exceptions). My guess is the
438 may well be the serial number of the horn, which usually appears on the
second valve casing also. Give the somewhat limited production of the Bessons
by F. Besson, even while at Kent's

The suggestion to call or e-mail the Kanstul shop is a good one. They have
always been informative and responsive to me.

Jim Donaldson
Denver, Colorado
JFDon...@aol.com

The Schilke Loyalist
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JFDonaldsn

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Jun 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/20/99
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I wrote, inexplicably:

>Give the somewhat limited production of the Bessons
>by F. Besson, even while at Kent's

What I meant was:

Given the somewhat limited production of the Bessons even by Kanstul, it is
possible that such a low number is the serial number.

Must have been called to dinner in the middle of the sentence.

Flip Oakes

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Jun 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/20/99
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Rhocken wrote:

Back in the middle early 1980's around 1982-83, the F. Besson Meha was made in
two bore sizes , both .460 , and .470 . The way to tell without measuring is to
look at the bell . If it says " Paris France" it's a .460 bore . If it say's
.only "Paris" then it's a .470 . During that time I had both. Also the Brevette
at that time was a .464 bore. Also for anyone who cares to know, the Meha
Flugelhorn was a .460 bore , and the Brevette Flugelhorn was a .415 Bore . Since
then the trumpets ,I'm sure are all different. I think the Flugels may be the
same.

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Flip Oakes

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Jun 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/20/99
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The .460 F.Besson Meha I owned, that I sold to Johnny Best , is Ser# 4XX only
3 digits.

Flip

JFDonaldsn wrote:

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