Does anyone have King Silver Flair vintage trumpet?
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I do not know how many of us use it as the primary horn.
Is is a good horn for all round trumpet? Only for Jazz? Pops? Legit works?
I appreciate it you could give your likes and dislikes of King Sliver Flair
trumpet with Sterling Silver bell.
Thanks.
JJ
Gary Persons
has a Sterling Silver bell or not, I can't tell you. It does have a
nice "pinggggggg" when you tap it with your finger that none of my other
horns have, so maybe so.
It is a great horn - although I do mostly jazz and pop stuff. When I
was in college I tried (and played) my share of Bach's, but I was so
used to this, that they never felt right. Other than the bias that
you're not supposed to do serious work with this horn, I think it's fine
for legit stuff. I tend to use a "slightly" deeper mouthpiece when I'm
doing something that is legit, but other than that, it's the same old
horn.
Good luck -
Gary
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bell. I recall another King model that had Sterling in the name, but
the Silver Flair is a very bright, buzzy horn with a yellow brass bell
with a sound not unlike the Getzen Severinsen. The Silver Flair is a
quality horn, a little bright for everyday use, but to the best of my
knowledge never had a sterling silver bell.
Sandman
If I were looking for a sterling silver belled horn, I would check out
the Conn Vintage One Sterling horn. It works really well for me on
ANY kind of musical situation....from Bach to lead playing to creative
playing. It has many different sound possibilities and reacts well in
any situation. Fred Powell really designes a great model of horn
here.
David C. Stephens
Silver Flair. I had my King for decades and thought that it had a big,
round, focused sound. Still, if I were going for Sterling today, I'd look at
a Bach or the new Conn Vintage One. My old King didn't intonate near as well
as my current Yamaha 738.
Dave
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Eirik Solheim
a sterling bell:
"Beautiful King Silver Flair with original Case and King 7K Mpc. The horn is
in excellent like new condition. (SR# 436715 ) This is a pro horn from late
1970. They called it the Silver Flair because the bell is made of solid
sterling silver. King was one on the first instrument manufacturers to
explore sterling silver in their horn making process. It has a first slide
trigger Adjustable 3rd slide tuning ring and waterkeys on the 3rd and main
tuning slide. It is a excellent player and beauty to boot. [Item #: 3023]"
Eirik Solheim
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Flair never was sold with a sterling bell, but I have one from about
that same vintage and it appears to be silver plate over yellow brass.
Hopefully, someone more knowledgable than I am regarding the old King
line can help you.
Keith Rogers
> I am getting interested in Sterling Silver bell.
> I do not know how many of us use it as the primary horn.
>
> Is is a good horn for all round trumpet? Only for Jazz? Pops? Legit works?
>
> I appreciate it you could give your likes and dislikes of King Sliver Flair
> trumpet with Sterling Silver bell.
Far as I can tell from www.unitedmusical.com, the current model Silver
Flair does not come with a sterling bell, just in silverplate. I
think it's best characterized as an intermediate horn. The King
Legend does have a 1-piece sterling bell option, and the Conn Vintage
1 has a 1-piece "hand-hammered" sterling bell model. I don't know if
there's a difference in these two, but you want the latter if you're
looking for an all-around horn. I read on this group that
electro-formed silver bells are prone to denting easily, because
they're relatively thin.
I don't know if the Silver Flair name ever went with a sterling bell
horn. The Super 20 and Silver Sonic were names common in the 60s or
so. I've got a cornet and have talked to others who have this horn or
the trumpet. My consensus is that the difference is subtle, words
like "projection" and "focused" pop up. The sound can be bright, but
the weight of the bell keeps it from going so far that you can't use
it for legit stuff. Just put that 10E away and put the 3C back in.
(My experience is with the older horns, and they had relatively small
bores, so that's probably part of the sound, too.)
You can sure push the volume out of the horn without cracking, if
that's what you need. (I'd sure like to try the new Conn sometime.)
Gary Persons
> (My experience is with the older horns, and they had relatively small
> bores, so that's probably part of the sound, too.)
Just so you know, my 1966 King Silver Flair is a .462 bore.
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Joe Johnson
stering silver bell trumpet? I wonder what his trumpet makes a
difference.
JJ
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or advertised as such. I think you need to check your facts.
John
Keith Rogers
> All, thank you very much for your inputs. Wasn't Harry James using a
> stering silver bell trumpet? I wonder what his trumpet makes a
> difference.
>
made for him. It was a larger (dual?) bore, "balanced" model,
probably more like Selmer he used before switch brands, caused by what
was described as a "falling out." I don't know what that means.
Maybe Selmer refused to cover his bar tab.
If he played a sterling bell King, it's probably because King asked
him to, so they could sell more sterling bell horns to high-school
kids like me (or their parents). For all his faults, he could
probably have played a hosaphone and sounded pretty good.
Dave Lee
>was described as a "falling out." I don't know what that means.
cut them off.
Dave Lee, J.D.
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the answer that King's sterling silver bell models were called the
Silver Sonic and Silvertone and that the Silver Flair has a brass bell
that is silver plated.
Joe Johnson
JJ
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and am very happy with my transactions. Maybe there is another
explanation for the confusion, but I personally own a Silver Flair
fairly close to the serial number of the one in the ad and it has a
silver plated brass bell as did the only other Silver Flair I have seen.
I was told by a knowledgable dealer that the King models with sterling
silver bells were the Silver Sonic and Silvertone rather than the Flair.
Beyond that, I cannot help you with Kings. Good luck and I hope you
find what you are looking for.
Dave Lee
impression that it is a silver plated brass bell.
Joe Johnson
Do you or does anyone know how to quickly and easily determine if the
bell is silver plated or stering silver?
JJ
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so you would expect there to be different finishes on it. On the new
Bachs, the sterling bell is lacquered and the rest of the horn is silver
plate. When they are new and shiny all over, it is a little harder to
tell that the bell finish is different from the rest, but after a while
it is not so difficult. So, the horn will probably not have the same
finish all over. I cannot remember for sure, but I believe the Bach
bells are also stamped sterling somewhere, too.
There aren't too many of the other brands with sterling bells still
circulating, so probably the only thing to do is to do your homework as
well as you can. You could always ask around to be sure you are getting
a sterling silver bell, if that is what you are looking for. Chances
are that somebody will know something about the particular model you are
considering.
David C. Stephens
that it was Sterling.
Dave
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Jim Donaldson
>Do you or does anyone know how to quickly and easily
>determine if the bell is silver plated or stering silver?
Thirty years ago, I had an old King with a sterling bell that my dad bought for
$35 at a pawn shop which I used for out door performances in high school. When
I graduated, I sold it to a sophomore for $50 and thought I was mighty clever.
Oh well...
That horn had the UK pound sterling sign (£) stamped on the bell flare as part
of the identification engraving. I think that is true of all of the King
sterling bell trumpets I have seen, though my sample is small. It is subtle,
but sterling also looks a bit different from silver plate even though I
couldn't describe it after all these years.
Jim Donaldson
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Keith Rogers
> Thanks you for your input.
> Do you or does anyone know how to quickly and easily determine if the
> bell is silver plated or stering silver?
My Silver Sonic, bought new in 1965, has a "S" (sterling) stamp right on the bell.
Dave Lee
pre-UMI horns, perhaps he has some type of info/contact that could help.
Kirk Reeves
sterling silver bell, the silvertone has a sterling leadpipe
as well. The advantage of the sterling bell seems to make
each note a little more musical. It seems to have an effect
on how overtones are generated. In fact silver is such an
advantage that is seems it is used to some degree in all
silver horns. In silver plate it can be from 5% silver to
about 50%. Just below Sterling Silver is what is known as
coin silver. This is a horn with 90% silver, the same
percentage as pre 1964 silver coins. You can't find a horn
made from coin silver today but a lot of antique horns,
particularly around the turn of the century was made from
coin silver.
As to whether silver makes a horn sound jazzy or all-round,
I think it depend on the player. My horn I get an around
sound. Harry James who play a sterling trumpet was big band
jazzy. By the way, all king horns from the 30's onward
that have the sterling bell will say: Sterling or be marked
with a funny looking "L" The sterling Pound symbol.
If you are interested in getting a Sterling horn I suggest
you do it soon. Silver (and gold) is running at a deficit
and the price will probably go up drastically.
Take a look at the following website to see why
http://www.gloomdoom.com/WeeklyCommentary.html
http://www.gold-eagle.com
ALAN ZERBA
could change the bore if I remember right the sizes were .460 and .464. Now the horn he promoted for King was
not the exact model he owned, the model he owned was specially made for him and he was the only one that could
purchase it. Now there are stories that Harry ordered a lot of these and have them to his friends or buyed them
for them. Prior to his dealings with King he played a Selmer.
Alan
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Ther is no such thing as Silver Flair from the 1930's.