Roy Roman method (embrochure)
Gary Badger
I have dusted the dust off of my horns (trumpet & flugel) after 5 years or
so and intend to resume playing in "club" bands once I'm up to scratch
again.
Years ago I was given a couple of video tapes with instruction from Roy
Roman on what he decribes as the perfect "no pressure" embrochure. I think
the idea is that the lips don't need to be adjusted from the bottom of the
staff right into the high register. I'm wondering if I should take the time
to completely re-learn to play using this method, or if I should just get
back into my old habits (and rely on long notes and scales). Endurance in
the high register was always a problem for me, as was finding the time to
practise.
So, I want to know if anybody has heard of the Roy Roman method, and if it
is worth trying?
I look forward to everyone's opinion.
Cheers,
Gary.
Charles Hargett
Good luck to you!
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The Trumpet of the Lord Ministry
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Roy Roman is an awesome trumpet player.
He is one of the top lead trumpet players in the world.
Roy's trumpet teaching methods are well respected.
For more info click here:
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Rev. Mikey Schmidt
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>
> He is one of the top lead trumpet players in the world.
Based on your opinion of your own ability as a lead player, this doesn't
mean much.
--
Jeff Helgesen
http://www.shout.net/~jmh/
Gary Badger
history between you guys, so I guess I'll call that one "for", and one
"undecided"
;o)
From a url supplied it appears this video is still for sale + book for
$300.00.
If anyone ELSE has heard of the Roy Roman method I would appreciate your
thoughts.
Cheers,
Gary.
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> Hmmmm....... interesting reading tonight! I can tell ther's an interesting
> history between you guys, so I guess I'll call that one "for", and one
> "undecided"
> ;o)
For the record, I have no opinion about Roman's method. Pops would be the
one to chime in with an informed opinion, probably.
Roy Roman's recording history is pretty small in the grand scheme of
things:
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=B1bkmu32ganxk
I simply chimed in to point out that the person expressing the opinion has
often does so without really being able to back it up with any kind of
substantive support or practical knowledge of the subject area. So, as
with any other subject area, take his posts with a healthy grain of salt.
I apologize for the other post, the tone was not called for.
The Trumpet of the Lord Ministry
> >
> > He is one of the top lead trumpet players in the world.
>
> Based on your opinion of your own ability as a lead player, this doesn't
> mean much.
Bottom line, Roy can play lead very well.
It is easy to just sit behind your computer and run your mouth Jeff.
If you think that Tim Priddy is so great and that I am so bad, set it
up, get Tim to compete, talk Tim into competing against me.
Bring it on, man I am not afraid to compete, you know I can blow a
horn, and I ain't the one afraid to compete.I just might suprise you,
as an old drum corps guy I love to compete.
I have had enough of these insults, if you want to settle this the
right way bring it on, anyone can sit at a computer and go "You suck",
"I'm better than you are", etc. blah blah blah, thats being a Troll.
But not just anyone can play high notes higher than I can on a
trumpet.Tell Tim to challenge me to a high note contest , bring it on.
Either talk your little buddy Tim Priddy into competing or give it a
rest man, this stone throwing is getting old.
Whoever is without sins can cast stones at me because I am a big time
sinner.
As for the rest of the sinners I would appreciate it if you would stop
acting like little schoolyard children and look at the beams in your
own eyes thank you, because every trumpet player has strengths and
weaknesses , myself included.
Mikey
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>
> It is easy to just sit behind your computer and run your mouth Jeff.
Pot, kettle.
Pops
in the world COMBINED.
I have the system. It is the Stevens.
Just remember 2 things.
If you are not comfortable with keeping your jaw pushed forward (forget
it.)
And some Stevens players have a sound that is considered harsh.
Roy has clips on http://www.Trumpetstuff.com
** ** ** ** ** ** ** **
Come see the book everyone is talking about.
"The Pros Talk Embouchure" http://www.BbTrumpet.com/pros.html
Information about my other trumpet & embouchure books.
http://www.BbTrumpet.com
Best wishes
Clint 'Pops' McLaughlin
It is the smart application of hard work that gets you there.
The Trumpet of the Lord Ministry
Re:
Roy's method is well worth the investment. Those of us who live in
East Tennessee know that Roy is one of the world's finest trumpet
players, and we know that without even having to ask Pops to tell us
whether he is good or not, can you imagine that.
Roy taught Phil and Jamie Driscoll and both of them are awesome
trumpet players.
Mikey Schmidt
***
Pops
little less topical.
Now MES have you even SEEN the material that we are discussing?
Doc
> Bring it on, man I am not afraid to compete,
I guess you're just afraid to play charts to compare yourself to the
players you claim to be the equal of. I've suggested to you to record
your own versions of classic high note recordings and your excuse is
that you only play original religious music. I didn't say to put them
in an album, simply make a recording that everyone can hear. So, would
you only challenge Tim Priddy or anyone else, playing original
religious music? Or is that simply a load 'o poo to mask the fact that
you can't play the charts I named?
> you know I can blow a horn
Okay, you've got the blowing part down, now try creating listenable
music.
The Trumpet of the Lord Ministry
> dynaco...@yahoo.com (The Trumpet of the Lord Ministry) wrote in message news:<e1fe8585.03050...@posting.google.com>...
>
>
> > Bring it on, man I am not afraid to compete,
>
> I guess you're just afraid to play charts to compare yourself to the
> players you claim to be the equal of.
Re:
Doc, as I have told you before, I am not interested in recording
anything but original music this summer , and if I can afford to
record more music this summer it will perhaps be all be new original
music , but because gigs are low and money is tight perhaps now I
won't be doing any recording or compilation at all this summer, we
will have to wait and see.We do not have a lot of money to invest in
new music at this time. Frankly chasing mechanical licenses and
investing into recording music that has already been recorded before
might be somthing that interests you, but it does not interest me at
this point in my career. As an indy artist it is a matter of
economics. I am not on a major record label and I simply can not
afford to do it. Most of my efforts lately have been into improving
my live performance . We have been adding some new exciting dramatic
elements , more instruments (baritone, piccolo trumpet) which will add
to the overall worship experience at my concerts.
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I've suggested to you to record
> your own versions of classic high note recordings and your excuse is
> that you only play original religious music.
I am a southern gospel artist on an independent southern gospel label
Doc.
I will take your suggestion under advisement, and one day if I am on a
major label and have the time perhaps I will record my own version of
some classic high note recordings one day.
***
I didn't say to put them
> in an album, simply make a recording that everyone can hear.
Doc, I don't have the funding to do this at this time. I can not
afford to hire the musicians and I can not afford the studio time
(which is also why the Paraclete is not finished) to do this on our
small budget , we have more important needs to meet like for a new
lead horn, snake ,an equipment trailer , lighting etc.. My live
performances are our top priority and if we are going to be able to
take them to the next level it is going to take a serious financial
comittment which means that most of the gifts that we receive are
going twards things that we need to improve the experience that
someone has at my live performances. There is a lot of competition
from musical groups that minister to churches these days , and if I do
not offer somthing better than what others offer we will get left
behind and will not be invited to minister to very many churches. I
once asked a former soundman for Newsong how Newsong was able to get
so many invitations to sing in so many churches and he answered to me
"It's simple Mike, they put on a great show man".
I spent a lot of time with this person and he gave me a lot of great
ideas to help improve what we offer to churches and slowly one step at
a time as we can afford to we are implimenting most of his ideas into
what we offer/ do.
***
***
So, would
> you only challenge Tim Priddy or anyone else, playing original
> religious music? Or is that simply a load 'o poo to mask the fact that
> you can't play the charts I named?
***
I am not trying to mask anything by not playing those songs Doc.
I am just not attempting to play those charts. I offered Tim to do the
best of whatever he can do vs. myself doing the berst of what I can
do.He declined. He makes himself look like the little man by his trash
talking me, I am not trash talking him. What I am currently working on
is very difficult and I am focused on it. Creating live processed
music with multiple horns in multiple keys is not as easy as it looks.
I am working on some unique original sounds , playing with the
processors will do some strange things to your sound and note
selections at times and I think trumpet players will like some of my
strange note selections , esp. at one point on "Holy is the Lamb",
this is some really cool mostly original stuff that I am playing. I
like it , and it is the direction that I will continue to go in for
now.
***
>
>
> > you know I can blow a horn
>
>
> Okay, you've got the blowing part down, now try creating listenable
> music.
***
Doc, I am currently working very hard at creating new and exciting
worship music.The stuff I am working on for my live performances is
really cool. It has taken us a long time to build our sound system to
be where it needs to be to have the best sound but we are very close
to being able to use our sound vs. having to use the house sound at
most of the places that we minister ( a new trailer would help us
bring our sound more often). This makes a big difference in the
experience that the listener has , and gives us a chance to create the
echos and other effects in my live performances that I am looking for.
In about a year or so we will have just about all that we need for our
own sound , and that will make a big difference and enhance the
listeners experience at my live concerts. Things are getting better,
slowly, one step at a time. Be patient, things will happen in God's
timing, we are claiming the blessings one victory at a time.
Rev. Mikey Schmidt
www.trumpetofthelord.com
www.voy.com/129615/
www.eph289.com
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Mikey
chop squeezing that you have down.
Doc
> I didn't say to put them
> > in an album, simply make a recording that everyone can hear.
> Doc, I don't have the funding to do this at this time. I can not
> afford to hire the musicians and I can not afford the studio time
> (which is also why the Paraclete is not finished) to do this on our
> small budget ,
More excuses. Anyone can make decent sounding recordings at home with
a $100 computer and a few key pieces of gear, all of which combined
costs less than some single mics. That and a bit of skill. There's no
need to hire ANY musicians, if you have some skill with midi, a sample
library and a Soundblaster Live or Audigy card, you can put together a
midi big band or orchestra that will sound perfectly decent, in fact
would probably fool 9 out of 10 people, especially non-musicians into
thinking it was live. That's what I was envisioning. The biggest pain
would be sequencing the band from the charts. Somewhere out there, the
charts must exist.
Robert DeSavage
the Lord Ministry) wrote:
>Doc, I don't have the funding to do this at this time. I can not
>afford to hire the musicians and I can not afford the studio time
>(which is also why the Paraclete is not finished) to do this on our
>small budget , we have more important needs to meet like for a new
>lead horn, snake ,an equipment trailer , lighting etc.. My live
>performances are our top priority and if we are going to be able to
>take them to the next level it is going to take a serious financial
>comittment which means that most of the gifts that we receive are
>going twards things that we need to improve the experience that
>someone has at my live performances. There is a lot of competition
>from musical groups that minister to churches these days , and if I do
>not offer somthing better than what others offer we will get left
>behind and will not be invited to minister to very many churches. I
>once asked a former soundman for Newsong how Newsong was able to get
>so many invitations to sing in so many churches and he answered to me
>"It's simple Mike, they put on a great show man".
>I spent a lot of time with this person and he gave me a lot of great
>ideas to help improve what we offer to churches and slowly one step at
>a time as we can afford to we are implimenting most of his ideas into
>what we offer/ do.
So in other words Mikey, it's not the message of TRUTH that attracts
your flock - it's the music that draws them in. Seems to me that you,
a man of the cloth, are a prostitute using music as a drawing card
instead of effectively being able to express what you insist is the
TRUTH. While I'm very much in favor of musicians being able to be
gainfully employed, do it for the sake of music and not as a medicine
show tactic.
It's my understanding that men of the cloth are supposed to be working
together and not competing. It's one thing when two different faiths
can't get along, but when two of a kind can't get along, you guys
should consider brushing up on what you preach.
The Trumpet of the Lord Ministry
> your flock - it's the music that draws them in. Seems to me that you,
> a man of the cloth, are a prostitute using music as a drawing card
> instead of effectively being able to express what you insist is the
> TRUTH.
The music that we play attracts people to the message of TRUTH which
is found in the Bible. TTOTL is not a ministry to just one particular
flock, we are a para- church ministry that ministers to the universal
church. Yes, our music is a drawing card to WIN A HEARING, but we are
not selling our music for an unworthy cause , we are worshiping Jesus
with our music, edifying believers and evangelizing the lost. Perhaps
these quotes will explain and or express what we are doing better than
I can:
"Evangelism is making contact with a person and motivating them to
give a honest hearing of the gospel. Stair steping people to Christ
includes all that is involved in reaching the unsaved where they are
and influencing them to Christ. It is moving people thru a process,
which is accomplished one step at a time. Stair steping people to
Christ is nothing more than a systematic and natural approach of
bringing people to Christ." - Dr. Elmer Towns
"Promotion gets the crowds assembled to where we can give them the
word
of God" - Dr. John Rawlings
"As a good rule of thumb, remember that in all these wierd things that
we do , our motive is to still see folks saved... " - Jim Vineyard
"The church should make a big enough racket about soul winning that
people from far and wide will know it is an evangelistic church" - Dr.
Jack Hiles
***
While I'm very much in favor of musicians being able to be
> gainfully employed
***
I do not play for the Trumpet of the Lord as a way of being gainfully
employed. I am currently performing / ministering for the Trumpet of
the Lord as a volunteer, I am not being paid to play , all of our
musicians and members at this time are volunteers.
***
do it for the sake of music and not as a medicine
> show tactic.
***
I played for the world and it did not satisfy so I stopped in 1982 and
I have never looked back. When I played for the world I felt empty,
when I played in church I was full of joy, that is why I do not just
play music for music's sake anymore , but rather I play to worship
Jesus, edify believers and evangelize the lost. Different people have
different motives for playing , as a Christian I play to serve Christ.
***
>
> It's my understanding that men of the cloth are supposed to be working
> together and not competing. It's one thing when two different faiths
> can't get along, but when two of a kind can't get along, you guys
> should consider brushing up on what you preach.
***
Some people might view all parts of any touring musician or groups
life as competition. But you are right , as Christians in some ways
things are sometimes different, and perhaps they should be, and we
should always be kind and loving and caring, but in the real world I
know what it is like to be bumped by a "Christian" group who could
care less that they dug into my performance time and are glad that
they did. That is just reality I guess. Perhaps at times right or
wrong we Christians do "compete " against each other just like in
other genres of music. We compete for invitations to perform,( I know
all to well what it is like NOT to be invited to a big sgm gig because
of sgm politics) we compete for the best booth space, the best
performance times, the most performance time , the current # 1 song,
for the best managers, booking agents, record deals,fans etc. I do
not have all of the answers , the best that I can do is try my best to
be fair and not cheat the group that performs after I do , make sure
that people follow the rules when I emcee, and that I treat the
churches that we minister to the way that I would want to be treated.
The Trumpet of the Lord Ministry
***
Mikey out of everyone here I thought that you would get this.
I do not play the trumpet to perform, I play to be faithful to my
calling which is to blow the Trumpet of the Lord ONLY to worship Jesus
, edify believers and witness to the lost.
Nothing more, nothing less.
If you like how I play , fine. If you do not , that's fine too because
it does not and it will not change my calling, most of you know this
by now, i am a doer not a doubter,views of me do not change my focus
to play the Lord's Horns to the glory of God the way that HE wants me
to play. I play to an audience of one with many witnesses. I have
been called everything from the greatest hornplayer of all times to jr
high level beginning band crap.
My guess is that my trumpet playing abilities fall somewhere in the
middle.
I don't really care so just get over it already please.
Enough talk about how I play, even I am sick of it, how about how
Butch Varmer plays, Craig Fletcher, David Wells , or even Roy Roman
for that matter???
Man every conversation has to be focused on my trumpet playing, why
not talk about Roy for a change because man he can blow an awesome
trumpet .how about Rod McGaha, Jessie McGuire, Tommy Vaughn, Jay
Mceachum, Scott Brookings?? David Sumner, David O'Neill, or even Jamie
Driscoll?????????????
Doc
> Doc, I don't have the funding to do this at this time. I can not
> afford to hire the musicians and I can not afford the studio time
In fact, hey, just set up a boombox at the other end of a big room and
play the opening bars of "Maynard Ferguson". It's totally
unaccompanied. Notation wise it's simple enough. I assume you've heard
it?
starting on High C:
C - F - C (pause) F - C (pause) F - C (pause) F - G - A - Dub
C (swung)
Record your efforts onto your hard drive, mp3 it and post it on your
website or otherwise make it available on the net. Assuming you record
it at 44.1 hz and mp3 it at 128 kbs, the file will probably only be
around 100kb.
Let's see if you can come even close to the power and clarity that
Maynard achieved on that recording, as well as the unrushed finesse
with which he plays those opening notes. My prediction - even with 100
takes you won't come even close. By the way, before you attempt it or
post it, I strongly suggest you listen to Maynard's version to see if
you really think your effort compares.
Go ahead Michael. No pricey gear or musicians to hire. A simple
demonstration to give the world a glimpse of your greatness, and how
you deserve to be counted among the greats.
THEOldMan
FINALLY! SOMETHING THAT IS UNANIMOUS:
The Rev. Schmidt sateth at his keyboard, hunched over, took a deep
breath, squinted at the monitor and did typeth:
The Trumpet of the Lord Ministry
***
Don man you never answered my question about my baritone mouthpiece.
I am playing on a Bach 6 1/2al and I am looking for somthing a little
larger to get a bigger - full sound.
I am thinking about the Schilke 52 E2 or 53 ; or perhaps the
Marcinkiewicz 8H or 6 E.
Any thoughts?
Thanks
Mikey
***
Gary Badger
subject and perhaps could be posted at a baritone news group.
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there(bring your tuner) if you think it works.
Jon Trimble
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Mikey
commercial player but doesn't have good classical style.
ing > Man every conversation has to be focused on my trumpet playing,
why
> not talk about Roy for a change because man he can blow an awesome
> trumpet .how about Rod McGaha, Jessie McGuire, Tommy Vaughn, Jay
> Mceachum, Scott Brookings?? David Sumner, David O'Neill, or even Jamie
> Driscoll?????????????
>
>
> Mikey Schmidt
> www.trumpetofthelord.comthe
> www.voy.com/129615/
> www.eph289.com
Wayne Trager
I will try to give you the answer to your question as best as I can.
Roy Roman was a student of Roy Stevens, and is a proponent of the Roy
Stevens/Costello teachings. The method that Costello taught was to
play with the lips rolled in and the jaw distended. The way Costello
would initiate his students, would be to have them roll in their lips
until all the red was no longer visible, bring out the jaw, and place
the horn on the palm of your left hand so that any excess pressure
would move the horn. The notes that were produced were called statics.
The student would then learn to relax for the lower tones, and use the
jaw to control the range of the horn. Roy Stevens was one of
Costello's students that later took over the teachings of Costello and
renamed the the teachings, The Stevens/Costello Method. Roy Stevens
made some changes to the teachings of Costello. Some of the changes
included:
1-Using the jaw as a rudder and resonator - [i.e. the jaw being used
to produced those lip trills and shakes that Maynard Ferguson (former
student of Roy Stevens) made so famous].
2-The alignment of the jaw and spacing of the teeth were changed, as
well as the exagerated lip roll in.
Roy Roman was a student of Roy Stevens during Stevens later years as a
teacher.
Gary, my suggestion to you before you embark on trying these teachings
is to realize one very important aspect of these teachings. All of
these players have or had similar physical attributes. Costello,
Stevens both had underbites - their jaw was distended even when their
teeth were closed. They had a prominent "Bull dog" profile. Roy Romans
exhibits a similar profile. If your teeth don't meet evenly, your
lower teeth aren't directly behind your upper teeth, or if you don't
have an underbite - chances are that these teachings will not work
best for you.
If you have any more questions, feel free to email me. I have some
more information about the jaw and its uses, as well as other articles
on my website - check it out
Sincerely,
Wayne
http://groups.msn.com/TragerTrumpetTalk/_whatsnew.msnw
PS- The information on my site is free - enjoy!!!!!!!
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