Eterna 4 valve Flugelhorn intonation question
Leo de Lange
I am thinking of buying the Getzen 4 valve flugelhorn. One of the
considerations is because of the lower range that is possible. Unfortunately
I am not in a position to "test drive" one of these horns because I live in
South Africa. I have read somewhere that there are problems regarding
intonation on these horns. On the other hand there were a few good remarks
and comments on the horn in this news group.
Is this problem with the intonation a general problem or is it an isolated
case?
I am an amateur that will only use the horn on occasion.
You comments will be appreciated.
Regards
Leo
William E. Graham
It was fun to play the pedal tones on it, and I had no
problem with the intonation, although I think my Yamaha 635
sounds better. The Getzen was quite large, and pretty soon I
decided that I wasn't that interested in the pedal tones, so
I sold it (for about what I paid for it) to someone else who
I am sure is having fun with it. Horns are something like
cars. You buy them, have fun with them for a while, and then
sell them to play something else you like (or think you will
like) better. It's definitely not the case that every horn
you sell is a dog. You just get tired of them and want to
try something else. If you can find one in good shape, I am
sure you will enjoy it.......
Leo de Lange <ldel...@mweb.co.za> wrote in message
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Catzz66
for, so to me the fourth valve is useless unless it can be used for alternate
fingerings somewhere in the higher register.
Carl Dershem
Your mileage will vary. I had one for several years, and once I learned
to use it properly (tune the 4th valve to play D in tune) and to hear
where it warped the mharmonics (no more than many trumpets, by the way)
I had no trouble with it at all, and enjoyed using it. If you want to
hear it played well, Greg Adams of the Tower of Power used one for quite
a few years, and his solos on albums 2 through 7 are all on the getzen.
Like any flugel, it will take some practice to find where it "fits" you.
cd
--
Death to all Absolutists!
Tim Priddy
on 2/11/02 9:56 PM:
I am the proud owner of a Getzen 4, and I love it with my Schike 20F. Big
rich sound (and when clean), is enjoyable to play (low and high register).
I use the 4th valve exclusively for low D and C# (4 and 2-4 respectively),
Never used the pedal tones on the gig.
Regards,
J. Timothy Priddy
trum...@chartermi.net
Lead, Ride, Side--All styles--Educator--Arranger--Sight Reader
Central Michigan Region
thetrumpetofthelord
Dear Leo.
The 4 valve Getzen flugelhorn is a great flugel for someone who wants
a warm dark fat 460 bore flugelhorn sound.
This is the horn that Phil Driscoll has been playing for over 20 years
,and he sounds great on his Getzen.
I have been told that the older Getzens play better than the new ones.
This is not a great horn to use if you are playing with a lot of loud
instruments, where a smaller bore flugel might cut thru the sound
better.
Michael Schmidt
www.trumpetofthelord.faithweb.com
Dr. Trumpet
trumpeto...@yahoo.com (thetrumpetofthelord) wrote:
> This is the horn that Phil Driscoll has been playing for over 20 years
> ,and he sounds great on his Getzen.
Phil has been playing a flumpet made by David Monette for at least 5 years I
know of, and the image of the flumpet is all over Phil's site.
Geeze........the misinformation highway begins at TOTL.
Jim Donaldson
>a warm dark fat 460 bore flugelhorn sound
Jim Donaldson
Denver Colorado
JFDon...@aol.com
The Schilke Loyalist
http://www.dallasmusic.org/schilke
Jim Donaldson
>The 4 valve Getzen flugelhorn is a great flugel for someone who
>wants a warm dark fat 460 bore flugelhorn sound...
>This is not a great horn to use if you are playing with a lot of
>loud instruments, where a smaller bore flugel might cut thru
>the sound better.
Michael, this is twice in one day that you've made me stop totally ignoring you
because you simply have the facts 100% wrong. The Getzen .460 plays and often
sounds like a trumpet, especially when played loudly. Andyou can certainly play
it far louder than you can a .410 bored little French flugel like Couesnons and
their myriad successors. They don't cut through anything, which is why
thousands play them. I really don't think the point is open to rational debate.
Al already corrected the the Phil Driscoll flumpet error, so you are giving at
least two of us full time work just correcting you.
It seems hard to imagine that anyone would actually believe anything that you
post at this point, your credibility is so tattered -- almost to the point
where we could formulate Schmidt's Law: "If MES says it, the opposite is
true"-- but the possibility of an innocent stumbling in here requires that
these howlers be addressed.
Oh gosh, maybe I've been caught by a troll....never thought of that...
I promise, oh I promise... to ignore... to ignore totally... to ignore...
Help me...
Mark
"Dr. Trumpet" <dr_trpt-...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Phil has been playing a flumpet made by David Monette for at least 5 years
I
> know of, and the image of the flumpet is all over Phil's site.
>
> Geeze........the misinformation highway begins at TOTL.
I have one of his albums where he plays both flumpet and flugelhorn. No
mention of the flugelhorn make on that album, though.
Bryan Fields
>
> Oh gosh, maybe I've been caught by a troll....never thought of that...
>
> I promise, oh I promise... to ignore... to ignore totally... to ignore...
>
> Help me...
>
> Jim Donaldson
>
I wonder if there are some 12-step programs available? I sure wouldn't want to
call it "Flamers Anonymous."
I didn't say that...I DIDN'T say that...
BTW I have a Getzen 3-valve flugel that I've played for over 20 years
now--sometimes it does sound like a trumpet if I really try to play loud. With my
Warburton 4FL or the stock Getzen 3C flugel mouthpiece it sounds acceptably
flugelish..
thetrumpetofthelord
Geeze, that is very nice Al.
Phil has had two Monette horns that I known of, I do not doubt that,I
believe one is a flumpet and the other a c trumpet The last four times
that I have heard him play, that Monette Flumpet sat on his trombone(
Phil uses the larger Hamilton trombone stands like I do) stand unused.
Phil did pick up his battle warn 4 valve Getzen Eterna Flugelhorn two
of the last times that I saw him play.
I have held this Getzen horn in my own hands, it is very old, has
several dents and scratches on it and it is silver.
I have been told that this is the same flugelhorn that Phil played on
the Ed Sullivan show.( late 70's?)
OOPS...TTOTL did not give out any mis-information.
Michael
www.trumpetofthelord.faithweb.com
thetrumpetofthelord
> Sorry about the duplicate post.
>
> >The 4 valve Getzen flugelhorn is a great flugel for someone who
> >wants a warm dark fat 460 bore flugelhorn sound...
>
> >This is not a great horn to use if you are playing with a lot of
> >loud instruments, where a smaller bore flugel might cut thru
> >the sound better.
>
> Michael, this is twice in one day that you've made me stop totally ignoring you
> because you simply have the facts 100% wrong. The Getzen .460 plays and often
> sounds like a trumpet, especially when played loudly. Andyou can certainly play
> it far louder than you can a .410 bored little French flugel like Couesnons and
> their myriad successors.
Re:
Dear Jim, based on playing both the 433 Yamaha ( for about 3 years)and
the Blessing 460 bore( for around 16 years), imho, when both horns are
played at the same volume, the 433 bore flugel will cut thru a loud
jazz band better than the 460 bore will.On a football field, the 460
bore will project better, but not when competing against electronics
in a jazz band.But my opinion is based soley on experience, not on
what I have read in some book somewhere.
But perhaps the 460 bore flugel works better for you.
Many flugelhorn players who have to compete with other instruments
find the smaller bore horns work better for them , besides, loud does
not nec. equal more power or optimum sound resonance.
I like the rich flugel sound that I get from my rose brass Yamaha 433
bore flugel.I would not trade it for anything.
***
They don't cut through anything, which is why
> thousands play them. I really don't think the point is open to rational debate.
>
> Al already corrected the the Phil Driscoll flumpet error, so you are giving at
> least two of us full time work just correcting you.
Re:
Error?
I did not say anything about Phil Driscoll's flumpet, Al only
incorrectly assumed that if Phil plays on a flumpet that he does not
play on a flugelhorn, and that is untrue and I know this first hand, I
have held Phil's flugelhorn in my hand( along with Harry James trumpet
and Martin Luther's personal study Bible and 2 of Olga Korbut's gold
metals.( my little brushes with fame and history)
It is a silver 4 valve older Getzen Eterna, late 70's vintage.
Michael Schmidt
www.trumpetofthelord.faithweb.com
>
> It seems hard to imagine that anyone would actually believe anything that you
> post at this point, your credibility is so tattered -- almost to the point
> where we could formulate Schmidt's Law: "If MES says it, the opposite is
> true"-- but the possibility of an innocent stumbling in here requires that
> these howlers be addressed.
>
> Oh gosh, maybe I've been caught by a troll....never thought of that...
>
> I promise, oh I promise... to ignore... to ignore totally... to ignore...
>
> Help me...
Re:
Perhaps you need help, you are wrong, Phil plays a 4 valve Getzen
Eterna flugelhorn.
Michael
www.trumpetofthelord.faithweb.com
Chip Torgerson
news:71c9fa99.02021...@posting.google.com...
> I did not say anything about Phil Driscoll's flumpet, Al only
> incorrectly assumed that if Phil plays on a flumpet that he does not
> play on a flugelhorn, and that is untrue and I know this first hand, I
> have held Phil's flugelhorn in my hand( along with Harry James trumpet
> and Martin Luther's personal study Bible and 2 of Olga Korbut's gold
> metals.( my little brushes with fame and history)
Despite your "brushes with fame and history" you are still an insignificant,
worthless piece of excrement.
Chip Torgerson
ch...@nespy.com
Tim Priddy
thetrumpetofthelord at trumpeto...@yahoo.com wrote on 2/13/02 3:35 PM:
That experience you are touting--is that where you work on a song for 1000
hours before you perform in public? You are such a glutton for punishment.
I have exactly the same horn, and I would say it has a rather hollow sound,
but combined with the Schilke 20F, it works for my purposes. Playing with
loud electronic instruments. You are a boob Michael.
MES--GO AWAY!!!
> But perhaps the 460 bore flugel works better for you.
> Many flugelhorn players who have to compete with other instruments
> find the smaller bore horns work better for them , besides, loud does
> not nec. equal more power or optimum sound resonance.
> I like the rich flugel sound that I get from my rose brass Yamaha 433
> bore flugel.I would not trade it for anything.
> ***
>
>> They don't cut through anything, which is why
>> thousands play them. I really don't think the point is open to rational
>> debate.
>>
>> Al already corrected the the Phil Driscoll flumpet error, so you are giving
>> at
>> least two of us full time work just correcting you.
snip snip all the egotistical Bullsh*t.
>> It seems hard to imagine that anyone would actually believe anything that you
>> post at this point, your credibility is so tattered -- almost to the point
>> where we could formulate Schmidt's Law: "If MES says it, the opposite is
>> true"-- but the possibility of an innocent stumbling in here requires that
>> these howlers be addressed.
>>
>> Oh gosh, maybe I've been caught by a troll....never thought of that...
>>
>> I promise, oh I promise... to ignore... to ignore totally... to ignore...
>>
>> Help me...
> Re:
> Perhaps you need help, you are wrong, Phil plays a 4 valve Getzen
> Eterna flugelhorn.
> Michael
> www.trumpetofthelord.faithweb.com
>>
You are NOT one to be talking Michael. Maybe when you saw him he was
playing a Getzen, but I trust and respect other peoples opinion a LOT more
than yours Michael.
>>
>>
>> Jim Donaldson
>> Denver Colorado
>> JFDon...@aol.com
>>
>> The Schilke Loyalist
>> http://www.dallasmusic.org/schilke
Dutifully,
Dr. Trumpet
If you know Phil so well, tell me the Blackburn trumpet story. I know it. From
both sides.
AL
Mark
Al, out of curiosity, I'd like to hear that story...
Dr. Trumpet
"Mark" <spamfree.m...@home.com> wrote:
Mark,
I want to see if Michael knows the story, which is quite good. If he does, I
will be convinced that perhaps he knows a little something of what he is talking
about. If he doesn't in a day or so, I will gladly tell it later.
AL
Chip Torgerson
> I want to see if Michael knows the story, which is quite good. If he
does, I
> will be convinced that perhaps he knows a little something of what he is
talking
> about. If he doesn't in a day or so, I will gladly tell it later.
We'll look forward to hearing it from you then, since we all know MES is
full of crap.
=)
Chip
ch...@nespy.com
Dr. Trumpet
"Chip Torgerson" <ch...@read-my-signature.com> wrote:
> We'll look forward to hearing it from you then, since we all know MES is
> full of crap.
>
MES? This Doc Savage character is worse. MES is just silly. Doc Savage is one
racist pig. I feel sorry for him, but he isn't smart enough to realize his
racist point of view is not acceptable.
AL
David Griffin
thetrumpetofthelord wrote:
> I have held ... 2 of Olga Korbut's gold
> metals.
Robert DeSavage
I'm confused (so what else is new?)! Which Doc Savage do you refer to?
Doc Savage - The Man Of Bronze or Doc Savage - The Man Of Brass?
thetrumpetofthelord
Re:
Al, please enlighten me and tell me where I said the I know Phil
Driscoll well?
I never said that.
If you want to know more about Phil, see " The Phil Driscoll story
"on his website. www.phildriscoll.com
www.mightyhorn.com
By the way, was Phil's band once called " Phil Driscoll and your
momma?
Is that true?
I heard that was the name of Phil's band when he played on the Ed
Sulivan show and I want to know if that is true.
Michael
www.trumpetofthelord.faithweb.com
Chip Torgerson
> Al, please enlighten me and tell me where I said the I know Phil
> Driscoll well?
> I never said that.
You said you held his horn in your hands. I know I don't let strangers hold
MY horns...I'm fairly certain a professional would feel the same way. Or
were you trying to shoplift them like your buddy, Olga?
Chip Torgerson
ch...@nespy.com
Tim Priddy
ch...@read-my-signature.com wrote on 2/14/02 9:23 AM:
Actually Chip, I heard that he was discussing "puppet options" with Phil
(you know, improve the show...) :-) The base reason, of course, is that he
wanted Phil to play at his church so he could tell the world that he opened
for Phil Driscoll...
Regards,
thetrumpetofthelord
> Those were pasties, Michael. What kind of metal were they made of?
>
> thetrumpetofthelord wrote:
>
> > I have held ... 2 of Olga Korbut's gold
> > metals.
To learn more about how Olympic metals are made , you can go to:
O.C.Tanner makes thr Olympic metals.
Michael
Tim Priddy
thetrumpetofthelord at trumpeto...@yahoo.com wrote on 2/14/02 11:04 AM:
It's MEDAL'S YOU IDIOT.
Chip Torgerson
AM:
> > To learn more about how Olympic metals are made , you can go to:
"Tim Priddy" <trum...@chartermi.net> wrote in message
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> It's MEDAL'S YOU IDIOT.
Actually, it would be medals. No apostrophe is necessary.
Chip Torgerson
ch...@nespy.com
thetrumpetofthelord
> in article u6nhubp...@corp.supernews.com, Chip Torgerson at
> ch...@read-my-signature.com wrote on 2/14/02 9:23 AM:
>
> > "thetrumpetofthelord" <trumpeto...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:71c9fa99.0202...@posting.google.com...
> >
> >> Al, please enlighten me and tell me where I said the I know Phil
> >> Driscoll well?
> >> I never said that.
> >
> > You said you held his horn in your hands.
Re:
That is true, but I have also held Harry James trumpet in my handsm
but I never even met Harry.
***
I know I don't let strangers hold
> > MY horns...I'm fairly certain a professional would feel the same way. Or
> > were you trying to shoplift them like your buddy, Olga?
**Re:
I was invited by Phil's staff to come up on the stage after one of
Phil's local concerts and they offered to let me take a look at his
horns, which I did.
***
> >
> >
> > Chip Torgerson
> > ch...@nespy.com
> >
> >
>
> Actually Chip, I heard that he was discussing "puppet options" with Phil
Re:
This is untrue.
Although the Trumpet of the Lord has asked for and received advice
from the Mighty Horn Ministry in the past, I have never discussed
using puppets with them.
***
> (you know, improve the show...) :-) The base reason, of course, is that he
> wanted Phil to play at his church
***Re:
I have never asked Phil to come play at my home church.
***
so he could tell the world that he opened
> for Phil Driscoll...
***
I have never tried to promote a Phil Driscoll concert.
Michael
www.trumpetofthelord.faithweb.com
***
thetrumpetofthelord
> In article <1GFa8.20433$td.51...@news2.nash1.tn.home.com>,
> "Mark" <spamfree.m...@home.com> wrote:
>
> > "Dr. Trumpet" <dr_trpt-...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:dr_trpt-spamfree-63...@news.iquest.net...
> > > Michael,
> > >
> > > If you know Phil so well, tell me the Blackburn trumpet story. I know it.
> From
> > > both sides.
> > >
> > > AL
Al, at one time Phil played on a Blackburn trumpet.
He no longer does.
If I remember correctly this involves a sponsorship issue ??? I
don't remember, I do remember when it was told to me that it was a
long story, I must have not been paying much attention, please tell
everyone, I never claimed that I knew about this story, imho
Blackburn is a great company that makes wonderful leadpipes.
I am more interested in Phils current " Mighty Horn" Leblanc trumpet.
What can you tell us about its bore size?
Michael.
thetrumpetofthelord
If you are trying to be cute,o.k., Gold Medals are made of "Gold".
If you are asking me if Olympic Gold Medals are made up of 100% pure
gold, or if another alloy(s) is used or added to the gold to make
the medal I am not sure.
Olga's 72 medal is not bright and shiny like her 76 medal is.
What did suprise me is what was on the back side of her 72 medal, two
male athletes( engraved) with no clothes on.
> Michael
Dr. Trumpet
Phil's son was taking lessons with Tina Erickson, a fine trumpeter and trumpet
maker who works with Cliff on trumpets at the shop. Cliff and Bunny are some of
the most Christian, kind and caring people you will ever meet.
Clifford decided to ask Phil if he could make him a trumpet, gratis. Phil
agreed, and as Cliff is in Decatur and Phil just down the road in Cleveland,
they started working to make a horn that would meet Phil's needs.
Clifford's horns are not cheap, are well made, and worth the price, IMHO. Phil
got the horn and loved it at Cliff's shop, and played it for some time period.
Cliff went to hear him one night a couple months later, and Phil had moved on to
another horn.
Hoping that he had not offended Phil with an inferior horn, Cliff went to meet
Phil after the concert and asked if there was a problem with the Blackburn horn.
Phil said no, that he just liked a different horn better for some other things,
and in the church where he played that night, he felt the horn he played was a
better match. Cliff understood, being a pro himself, and they parted friends.
A couple weeks later, Cliff and Bunny go to see the Impact Brass and Singers
from Ozark Bible College. When Cliff looks back in the section, low and behold,
he sees a Blackburn trumpet being played by the lead trumpet. Cliff doesn't
remember making the young man a horn, so goes back to find out how he has
acquired it. Cliff is a lot like David Monette in that he doesn't make that
many horns, and so has a good idea where most of his instruments are located.
This is of course a good thing, as if you'd like to try a Blackburn trumpet but
can't get to Decatur, he can direct you to a local player who had one. I have a
friend who owns a Blackburn C in gold, and it is an excellent horn.
Anyhow, the young fellow is pleased to meet Cliff, and asks about a couple
adjustments to the trumpet. Cliff says he can do them, and when looking at the
horn, realizes it is the horn he made specifically for Phil Driscoll.
Cliff asks the kid where he got the horn, and the young fellow tells the story
of his horn being stolen at a concert a night or two before they played with
Phil on a concert (which had happened before the aforementioned concert that
Cliff attended to see his new horn in Phil's hands), and Phil just gave him the
Blackburn trumpet, saying it was one he didn't play too often. The kid didn't
have the funds to pay for a new Strad (the horn which was stolen), so Phil just
gave it to him.
I admire Phil's gift, but can see where that kind of careless gift could be
offensive to Clifford. As I know both of them, I am certain it was a moment of
generosity by Phil trying to help a young trumpeter in a situation that was a
real problem for a lot of folks. If the kid can't play, the tour is in
jeapardy. Phil was no doubt trying to be nice to the young man, and trying to
do a good Christian deed. And, in many ways, he did just that, and it was truly
a selfless gift by Phil.
But, Phil gets lots of horns given to him. He has Schilkes, Bachs, several
Monettes (which don't work for him, by the way), Getzens, and a bunch of others.
I am certain he could have selected a horn that perhaps meant a little less to
the folks who had made it for him. Cliff felt (at the time) very "slapped in
the face" by the giving away of a horn that Cliff built as a special gift to
Phil, and that took so many extra man hours to build and to fine tune for Phil.
I see both sides to the story, but feel like Phil could've selected another of
his fine instruments to give to the young man and have preserved Cliff's
feelings and his Christian gesture of friendship.
I also know that David Monette has some dealings with Phil in which Phil has
later given away some things that have been made and given specifically for
Phil.
If Phil did not intend to hurt Cliff's feelings, he could have been honest with
him. But, Phil never said anything to Cliff.
And, you're sort of correct about the endorsement contract. Cliff was hoping to
make the Phil Driscoll trumpet as a first step toward a commercial designed kind
of instrument, and the work involved was hoped to be a two step process toward
providing Phil with horns he liked and could endorse, and horns that Cliff could
make for that market.
Interesting that he has chosen LeBlanc to be the outlet for his instruments and
mouthpieces, when LeBlanc's recent reputation for quality and consistency seems
to be at best "marginal". I've not talked with him recently, and will be at the
National Trumpet Competition on the Artist/Faculty when he is near here in
March, so I won't be able to pursue the question of the delays they have been
having with the horns with Phil at that time.
Seems like a case of Phil being a nice guy, but perhaps not considering what the
total implication of what he was doing when he did it. We are all guilty of it,
but in this instance, I'm not sure why Phil had to deceive Cliff at the concert.
That is the only problem I have with it.
AL
Chip Torgerson
Chip Torgerson
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William E. Graham
> It's MEDAL'S YOU IDIOT.
>
> J. Timothy Priddy
Like owning a medal coronet?
William E. Graham
> What did suprise me is what was on the back side of her 72
medal, two
> male athletes( engraved) with no clothes on.
>
> > Michael
This is because the original Olympic games came from the
"gymnopede", which was an athletic event where the
participants, (all male) competed in the nude. There is even
a musical piece called gymnopede...(I can't remember who
composed it)
Catzz66
>a musical piece called gymnopede...(I can't remember who
>composed it)
Satie
William E. Graham
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Ed Grant
in variations runs through the three. Perhaps the nicest non-orchestral
version I've heard is one by the "Foothills Brass" out of Calgary Alberta
with the horn carrying the melody; although I'm sure there are many other
brass ensembles who do an admirable job of it also. According to the liner
notes from Naxos disc 8.554279, "The three seminal Gymnopedies of 1888,
their title suggested by the ritual games of naked boys in ancient Greece,
perhaps in a contemporary fresco......."
Regardless, it's a great piece with long, flowing lines that sure test this
amateur's endurance and control!
--
Ed Grant
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Catzz66
>in variations runs through the three.
Blood, Sweat and Tears (when Lew Soloff was playing) had a cut called
Variations on a theme by Eric Satie that was derived from this classical work.
I remember hearing BS&T perform it live on tour in 69. I remember thinking at
the time "who in the heck is Eric Satie?" I found out. =]
Tim Priddy
we...@attbi.com wrote on 2/14/02 6:06 PM:
Yeah, something like that... :-) Ever wiped your butt with medal coronet?
OUCH!!
Regards,
Bryan Fields
music history classes, but I need some clarification here. I remember my
professor discussing a 20th century French composer who went weeks and even months
without bathing, and I can't remember if he was talking about Satie or Olivier
Messian (sp?) or someone else. Anyone know for sure?
William E. Graham
Messiaen is still alive, (b. 1908) So you could always write
him and ask him when was the last time he took a bath.......
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velvi
(Geeze........the misinformation highway begins at TOTL
I'll reply to your nonsense
You are so musically inept
clearly you have no musical talent
MES is just silly.
OK Doc (Doc of what I am not sure, but trumpet isn't it),
You are wrong
Too damn stupid.
There are two kinds of stupid in this world, and you boy are both of them.
(careful how you say "boy" Al. wouldn't want to be racist right? my
opinion/point only)
stupidity wasn't quoted before the reply.
Get out your fourth grade dictionary, because
it is clear your education never went beyond that.
Show us some credentials, little man.
perhaps he knows a little something of what he is talking
about. If he doesn't in a day or so, I will gladly tell it later.
I have a doctorate in music from Indiana University
How did I get in the middle of this one?
Good Question Dr Al.
You seem to be respected by a lot of players.
In my neighborhood pompous, arrogant people are useless to me no matter how
well they play or how much they know. In my opinion, you have come off this
way ever since I read your some of your posts well over a year ago. And yes,
even before Michael Schmidt came along.
Can't you Humble yourself for once? Do you think Indiana is proud of your
behavior?
What kind of Attitudes are they creating?
For someone who thinks he knows so much, (and you do know some) You should
know better!
You have totally lost your professionalism. You are a prime example of why
Trumpet players are known to be egomaniacs! There has been many times when I
wanted to respond to your posts but have refrained for over a year until
now.
All you want to do is challenge, look to fight and belittle anyone who
disagrees with your mindset & opinion. You make people feel like they are
not worthy if they don't have your blessing. You really turn me off Al.
"too many trolls"?
I also think it would be good for you to take some down time too.
And if you reply to this like you normally would, don't throw the Quotes
being taking out of content thing my way because your malicious intent to
these people is there.
Ok I'm done venting.
Poor Leo never even had his question answered.
Leo,
I don't think getzen 4 valves are very good. I don't like the sound they
produce.
Reminds me of a garbage can when I play one (seriously).
My opinion,
Kevin
"Dr. Trumpet" <dr_trpt-...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> In article <71c9fa99.02021...@posting.google.com>,
> trumpeto...@yahoo.com (thetrumpetofthelord) wrote:
>
> > This is the horn that Phil Driscoll has been playing for over 20 years
> > ,and he sounds great on his Getzen.
>
> Phil has been playing a flumpet made by David Monette for at least 5 years
I
> know of, and the image of the flumpet is all over Phil's site.
>
> .
WWise72606
I don't know, but my little composer book says Oliver
Messiaen is still alive, (b. 1908) So you could always write
him and ask him when was the last time he took a bath.. >>
Check that book, he died a few years ago.
Wilmer
William E. Graham
70's....
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brianrj
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> "thetrumpetofthelord" <trumpeto...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:71c9fa99.02021...@posting.google.com...
>
> Despite your "brushes with fame and history" you are still an
insignificant,
> worthless piece of excrement.
Chip my friend. I think you should stop pussy - footing around and say what
you really think:-))))))))
yours
Brian Jones
Dr. Trumpet
"velvi" <kvel...@wi.rr.com> wrote:
> Ok I'm done venting.
Thanks for double posting it. Good for you....
> Poor Leo never even had his question answered.
Mike's answer below didn't answer it?
>
> Leo,
> I don't think getzen 4 valves are very good. I don't like the sound they
> produce.
> Reminds me of a garbage can when I play one (seriously).
> My opinion,
> Kevin
I agree. I owned one under the idea of using it for a sub for high trombone
parts and some horn parts as a sub horn for them, and found the tone to not
blend with anything very well. Didn't seem to blend with flugels, trombones or
horns.......sold it for money to make a downpayment on a car, and never looked
back. But, I know some who value them for their fine sound and playability.
So, maybe it is the consistency of the manufacturer?