Female Lead trumpet players
mwb...@my-deja.com
one FEMALE. I'm sure there has to be some out there. All of the women
I know who play trumpet, are legit players. Bibi Black for
one......very very very very very very dark sound to me. No brilliance
at all, but she's a great player. Are there any women out there with a
brilliant sound, leading a big band like Maynard Ferguson....or jon
faddis....
--
Michael Bookman Jr.
UNT
P.S. My friends tell me that women can't play high because they don't
have the right equipment...if you know what I mean.....This isn't true
is it?
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Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
Howard Peirce
> I know a great number of male lead trumpet players, but I don't know
> one FEMALE. I'm sure there has to be some out there. All of the women
> I know who play trumpet, are legit players. Bibi Black for
> one......very very very very very very dark sound to me. No brilliance
> at all, but she's a great player. Are there any women out there with a
> brilliant sound, leading a big band like Maynard Ferguson....or jon
> faddis....
There is DIVA. Solid lead work, but I can't remember the player's name.
Ingrid Jenson is primarily a jazz player (and one of the best young
mainstream players out there, IMO), but I think she's done at least some
split lead work for Maria Schnieder.
If you want to go back a ways, the International Sweethearts of Rhythm
were one of the best big bands of the 30s, playing in kind of
Lunceford/Barnet groove. Try that without a solid lead.
> P.S. My friends tell me that women can't play high because they don't
> have the right equipment...if you know what I mean.....This isn't true
> is it?
No, that's not true at all. Women do have the right equipment. We are
talking about Jet-tones and Eternas, right?
HP
Carlyjlj75
>P.S. My friends tell me that women can't play high because they don't
>have the right equipment...if you know what I mean.....This isn't true
>is it?
>
I CANNOT BELIEVE I READ THIS CRAP.
mat...@pinn.net
and carries on the work of Carmine Caruso in her teaching.
Rob D
mwb...@my-deja.com wrote:
> I know a great number of male lead trumpet players, but I don't know
> one FEMALE. I'm sure there has to be some out there. All of the women
> I know who play trumpet, are legit players. Bibi Black for
> one......very very very very very very dark sound to me. No brilliance
> at all, but she's a great player. Are there any women out there with a
> brilliant sound, leading a big band like Maynard Ferguson....or jon
> faddis....
>
> --
> Michael Bookman Jr.
> UNT
>
> P.S. My friends tell me that women can't play high because they don't
> have the right equipment...if you know what I mean.....This isn't true
> is it?
>
mwb...@my-deja.com
In article <379618E9...@pinn.net>,
--
Michael Bookman Jr.
Univ. of North Texas
mwb...@my-deja.com
friends can buy?
Bookman
mwb...@my-deja.com
In article <19990721150134...@ng-fx1.aol.com>,
carly...@aol.com (Carlyjlj75) wrote:
> mwb1jr@my-deja-com (Michael Bookman Jr) wrote:
>
> >P.S. My friends tell me that women can't play high because they
don't
> >have the right equipment...if you know what I mean.....This isn't
true
> >is it?
> >
> I CANNOT BELIEVE I READ THIS CRAP.
>
>
--
Trayne102
>>P.S. My friends tell me that women can't play high because they don't
>>have the right equipment...if you know what I mean.....This isn't true
>>is it?
Carly writes:
>I CANNOT BELIEVE I READ THIS CRAP.
What do expect? It's a Bookman post!
Trayne102
>Well guess what, YOU DID!!!!!!!
>
>
Bookman,
GET A LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!
Trayne102
>Really?!?! Does Laurie have any CD'S out that I can buy? Or my female
>friends can buy?
>
>Bookman
>
I find it so hard to believe that you attend UNT, and are so ignorant! You
can't be half the player you claim to be if you never had the experience of
playing with female jazz/lead players. The fact that you don't even know one
female lead player shows this newsgroup that you're a very inexperienced
trumpet player. I know five powerful female trumpet players all of whom would
blow you away! Does it matter if they have a CD ? Where's your CD, MR.
HOTSHOT?
Sincerely,
Wayne
PS - Happy Birthday Michael - GROW UP!!
SarahL2000
>>have the right equipment...if you know what I mean.....This isn't true
>>is it?
I'm going to state the obvious, no it's NOT true.
However, I was told many a time by private teachers (who I then left), band
directors (who I lost all respect for then) and others that girls should simply
not play trumpet. Number one because it was a "boys" instrument... a load of
crap. And number two, because a woman's chest cavity was smaller than a
man's.. meaning she had smaller lungs and less lung capacity (on average),
meant that woman would always be an inferior player to man on the instrument of
trumpet. Now either that is also a load of crap, or I'm really full of hot
air. ;)
I was also told that initially women are better suited, due to smaller jaws and
differently formed apertures, to brass instruments.. men to woodwind. Which,
is essentially backwards of society.. funny, no?
>Sarah L.
New Castle, DE
Trumpet Stuff
Diva is an all women big band.
Lisa Whitaker (sorry if I spelled it wrong) is the lead trumpet for Diva.
Check out a lead line with As over High C!
Ingrid Jensen plays in Diva, and has several CDs out. She is said to have Double C Chops and is mentioned in Joe Urso's book of Who's Who in Lead Trumpets.
Joe
mwb...@my-deja.com wrote:
I know a great number of male lead trumpet players, but I don't know
one FEMALE. I'm sure there has to be some out there. All of the women
I know who play trumpet, are legit players. Bibi Black for
one......very very very very very very dark sound to me. No brilliance
at all, but she's a great player. Are there any women out there with a
brilliant sound, leading a big band like Maynard Ferguson....or jon
faddis....
--
Michael Bookman Jr.
UNT
P.S. My friends tell me that women can't play high because they don't
have the right equipment...if you know what I mean.....This isn't true
is it?
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
mwb...@my-deja.com
sarah...@aol.com (SarahL2000) wrote:
> >>P.S. My friends tell me that women can't play high because they
don't
> >>have the right equipment...if you know what I mean.....This isn't
true
> >>is it?
>
> However, I was told many a time by private teachers (who I then
left), band
> directors (who I lost all respect for then) and others that girls
should simply
> not play trumpet. Number one because it was a "boys" instrument... a
load of
> crap. And number two, because a woman's chest cavity was smaller
than a
> man's.. meaning she had smaller lungs and less lung capacity (on
average),
> meant that woman would always be an inferior player to man on the
instrument of
> trumpet. Now either that is also a load of crap, or I'm really full
of hot
> air. ;)
>
> I was also told that initially women are better suited, due to
smaller jaws and
> differently formed apertures, to brass instruments.. men to
woodwind. Which,
> is essentially backwards of society.. funny, no?
>
> >Sarah L.
> New Castle, DE
>
Thanks for the reply. I believe the trumpet is an instrument for
everyone to play, if they're gonna put the time and hard work in to
learn it. I don't understand why private teachers and band directors
would tell you to change instruments because of your sex. What kind of
teachers are they? I thought their job was to give you as much support
and knowledge that they can.... just a couple of ideas.
Later
--
Michael Bookman Jr.
Univ. of North Texas
mwb...@my-deja.com
In article <3796CB4B...@NoSpan.USA>,
Trumpet Stuff <Maacha@.NoSpam.2xtreme.net> wrote:
>
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> Diva is an all women big band.
> Lisa Whitaker (sorry if I spelled it wrong) is the lead trumpet for
Diva.
> Check out a lead line with As over High C!
> Ingrid Jensen plays in Diva, and has several CDs out. She is said to
have
> Double C Chops and is mentioned in Joe Urso's book of Who's Who in
Lead
> Trumpets.
>
> Joe
>
> mwb...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> > I know a great number of male lead trumpet players, but I don't
know
> > one FEMALE. I'm sure there has to be some out there. All of the
women
> > I know who play trumpet, are legit players. Bibi Black for
> > one......very very very very very very dark sound to me. No
brilliance
> > at all, but she's a great player. Are there any women out there
with a
> > brilliant sound, leading a big band like Maynard Ferguson....or jon
> > faddis....
> >
> > --
> >
> > P.S. My friends tell me that women can't play high because they
don't
> > have the right equipment...if you know what I mean.....This isn't
true
> > is it?
> >
> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
>
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> Here are some links to audio clips.
> <BR>Diva is an all women big band.
> <BR><A HREF="http://www.2xtreme.net/maacha/lisa.ram">Lisa Whitaker</A>
> (sorry if I spelled it wrong) is the lead trumpet for Diva.
> <BR>Check out a <A HREF="http://www.2xtreme.net/maacha/diva.ram">lead
line</A>
> with As over High C!
> <BR><A
HREF="http://www.freetown.com/Downtown/Metro/3042/index.html">Ingrid
> Jensen</A> plays in Diva, and has several CDs out. She is said to have
> Double C Chops and is mentioned in <A
HREF="http://members.aol.com/gerty1914/index.html">Joe
> Urso's</A> book of Who's Who in Lead Trumpets.
>
> <P>Joe
>
> <P>mwb...@my-deja.com wrote:
> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> I know a great number of male lead
trumpet
> players, but I don't know
> <BR>one FEMALE. I'm sure there has to be some out there.
All
> of the women
> <BR>I know who play trumpet, are legit players. Bibi Black for
> <BR>one......very very very very very very dark sound to me. No
brilliance
> <BR>at all, but she's a great player. Are there any women out
there
> with a
> <BR>brilliant sound, leading a big band like Maynard Ferguson....or
jon
> <BR>faddis....
>
> <P>--
> <P>P.S. My friends tell me that women can't play high because
they
> don't
> <BR>have the right equipment...if you know what I mean.....This isn't
true
> <BR>is it?
>
> <P>Sent via Deja.com <A
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> <BR>Share what you know. Learn what you don't.</BLOCKQUOTE>
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mat...@pinn.net
them.
Rob D
mwb...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Really?!?! Does Laurie have any CD'S out that I can buy?
>
> In article <379618E9...@pinn.net>,
> "mat...@pinn.net" <mat...@pinn.net> wrote:
> > Laurie Frink, lead tpt for Bob Mintzer Big Band and others. Great
> player
> > and carries on the work of Carmine Caruso in her teaching.
> >
> > Rob D
> >
> > mwb...@my-deja.com wrote:
> >
> > > I know a great number of male lead trumpet players, but I don't
> know
> > > one FEMALE. I'm sure there has to be some out there. All of the
> women
> > > I know who play trumpet, are legit players. Bibi Black for
> > > one......very very very very very very dark sound to me. No
> brilliance
> > > at all, but she's a great player. Are there any women out there
> with a
> > > brilliant sound, leading a big band like Maynard Ferguson....or jon
> > > faddis....
> > >
> > > --
> > > Michael Bookman Jr.
> > > UNT
> > >
> > > P.S. My friends tell me that women can't play high because they
> don't
> > > have the right equipment...if you know what I mean.....This isn't
> true
> > > is it?
> > >
> > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > > Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
> >
> >
>
> --
> Michael Bookman Jr.
> Univ. of North Texas
>
stanton
You've obviously never hear Jeanne Pocius play. Unlike other players
(male and female) who are fluent in EITHER legit, jazz or commercial
venues, Jeanne is equally comfortable in both. I have had the privilege
to hear her play lead on a "rock" gig, a church gig and had the extreme
honor of playing next to her in an orchestral gig. This lady can
play...
...A side note about the church gig...
Those of you who know about my day gig know that I've been to MANY
weddings and have heard many trumpet players at them. I accompanied
Jeanne to one of hers in April. As I sat in the back of the church, I
watched the processional. The organist was played several melodies
(can't necessarily remember which one's) and Jeanne sort of played along
on her fluegel (beautiful, copper bell, rotary valve, German...to die
for...). As the bride appeared, there was this **HUGE** BLAST OF
TRUMPET. My hair, suddenly blown back, parted and a little thinner only
returned to its original "doo" after the initial wave of trumpet fanfare
subsided! Lemme tell ya folks... I have NEVER heard a more powerful
sound in a church service. The recessional was just as powerful, but I
wasn't nearly as surprised by the shock waves. It was simply
"impressive".
Besides... I love chick trumpet players (go ahead and flame me for the
sexist pig that I am <G>).
Politically incorrect,
SK
Gary Persons
> I was told many a time by private teachers (who I then left), band
> directors (who I lost all respect for then) and others that girls
> should simply not play trumpet.
Obviously, you are correct, that it's a load of crap.
Just as an interesting side comment, when I was in music school in the
mid-60's, we were essentially told the same thing. This was at the same
time that one of the tuba players was a fairly small woman (girl? At 17
are you a girl or a woman?)
Oh, well. Time marches on, and women play brass.
!^NavFont02F01D00008IGBBHHD1218C
LeliaLoban
> Time marches on, and women play brass.
>
Yup. I got the same message as other women in the NG, as a grade schooler in
the 1950s: "Girls don't play the drums. Girls don't play the trumpet." Girls
"don't do" most of the fun stuff. In my school district, a county law made it
illegal for a P. E. teacher to force a girl (or let a girl) run more than a
mile because it would "harm the female organs," exactly the word-for-word
phrase my band director used when he explained why it was a terrible idea for
the school to let girls into the marching band. Sports like "girls' basketball"
(half-court) were a total joke in those days. As a result of being discouraged
or actually prevented from getting real exercise, most of the girls were so
flabby that we probably really couldn't have played a trumpet. A lot of the
reason I'm an adult beginner on cornet right now is that it's unfinished
business left over from back then. I got forced onto clarinet because it was
"more suitable." I love clarinet anyway, but it's nice to decide for myself,
thanks....
Lelia
Please delete NOSPAM from my address to reply by e-mail.
LeliaLoban
>I find it so hard to believe that you attend UNT, and are so ignorant!>
Okay, I don't know the whole history of all these Bookman controversies, so
maybe I should keep my trap shut, but it didn't look to me like he was trying
to flame anybody or cause any trouble on this thread. It seems to me that when
someone knows enough to know what he doesn't know, admits it and asks for
information about it, it wouldn't kill people to just give him a civil answer.
There's no such thing as a stupid question. If newcomers here see someone
getting disrespected like this, they might be afraid to ask questions, too, for
fear of getting the same type of reaction. Kind of defeats the purpose of a
newsgroup.
Don Dale
I graduated from HS in '50. One of the better cornetists was female, as the
principal percussionist. In our cornet section of 13 we had 3 females in the top
7. There was no one to touch the gal drummer, whom we called "Thumper"! Of 6
trombonists we had only one female and she could def hold her own. I don't believe
the HS band director had anything against female brass players but think it had to
do with the elementary school mindset.
od...@concentric.net
mwb...@my-deja.com wrote:
> I know a great number of male lead trumpet players, but I don't know
> one FEMALE.
I'll introduce you to two, both of whom are great players and personal
friends. Jeanne Pocious, who is on TPIN, is an outstanding lead player,
with an easy range up to da dubba C. She is also an unbelievable legit
player. In addition to being a great chop doc, she's kind person, and
funny as hell.
Closer to home is the lead player in my own big band, Brenda Burkhart.
After her day gig as a computer field engineer, she finds time to play
in at least half a dozen big bands in the Los Angeles area, and does
other freelance work too. She doesn't have a huge range (high F), but
she has a huge sound, perfect articulation and phrasing, and can play
all night.
I just sandbag on 2nd, playing the first book on the odd occasion when
she feels like playing a solo. I know she's a great player, because I
had to cover the lead book in rehearsal today (she be on vacation), and
it thoroughly kicked my ass.
So there are two more.
Patrick Olguin - Benge Nut
http://members.xoom.com/paddyo/trumpet
Gary Persons
> I don't believe the HS band director had anything against female brass
players
Nor did mine (we had two female trombone players) but I, as a Music Ed
Major, heard that brass was not for women. This was in 1966, and we
weren't paying attention to anybody in authority anyway! <G>
RicSut
Just to put in my two cents worth.....
Most male trumpet players mentioned were, well old dudes. If it was just a
physical thing, I would think that a young healthy women would be more cable
than an old man, regardless of what anatomical proturbences she may or may not
have.
Besides, you don't play trumpet with your genitals.
And one last thing, one of the members of "Gravity" a jazz tuba ensemble
is a women.
P.S. If you do happen to find a way to play trumpet with what ever equipment
you have south of the belt line, please, please DO NOT TELL ME ABOUT IT!! There
are just some things you are better not knowing.
Gary Persons
> Most male trumpet players mentioned were, well old dudes.
Gee...thanks.
!^NavFont02F00680008IG5CHG69E6E1
mwb...@my-deja.com
tray...@aol.com (Trayne102) wrote:
> Bookman writes:
> >Really?!?! Does Laurie have any CD'S out that I can buy? Or my
female
> >friends can buy?
> >
> >Bookman
> >
> I find it so hard to believe that you attend UNT, and are so
> can't be half the player you claim to be if you never had the
experience of
> playing with female jazz/lead players. The fact that you don't even
know one
> female lead player shows this newsgroup that you're a very
inexperienced
> trumpet player. I know five powerful female trumpet players all of
whom would
> blow you away! Does it matter if they have a CD ? Where's your
CD, MR.
> HOTSHOT?
> Sincerely,
> Wayne
> PS - Happy Birthday Michael - GROW UP!!
>
>
Here we go again...for a fourth time! Can I ask questions too in this
newsgroup? There aren't any women around where I live that play lead
trumpet. Most of the women here don't play jazz, and the ones that do,
are.....not really in it. There is one female, not a lead player, but
can blow circles around me on the jazz field, mainly because she is
older than I am, majors in jazz studies, and has more experience than I
do. You know five powerful female trumpet players? That's all? If
you're such a big shot, you should know a hundred, if there are that
many. I bought one of Ingrid's cds at a discount warehouse for $1.99
today and I enjoyed it very much. I don't care if a woman can blow me
away, because I have lots of room for improvement. By the way, what
the hell does UNT have to do with anything? It's still a great
college even if a jerk like myself goes there. I say the faculty is
number one!
--
Michael Bookman Jr.
Univ. of North Texas
RList58361
>don't
>> >>have the right equipment...if you know what I mean.....This isn't
>true
>> >>is it?
>
Oh, yes they can....trust me ,High notes are equivilant to chest-thumping,
macho testosterone poisoning that most males suffer from!! I know they
can....a lot of them don't because it just doesn't MATTER to them.....they like
making a good sound and good music...I've never heard a show-off female trumpet
player warming up on high stuff.......but when they take a solo, pay attention
to the range....trust me, they can...
RicSut
I am fast approaching old dude status Myself!!
Rick
Cary Kittrell
<
< Besides, you don't play trumpet with your genitals.
<
Uh-oh. Well, THAT certainly does explain a lot.
Man, you'd think with all those lessons someone could havd TOLD
me ferchrissakes, I mean it's not like I was asking Microsoft
for trade secrets or anything, I mean how HARD could it have been
for someone just to say "Cary-if-you-hold-it-up-here-instead", I
mean REALLY now...
:-}
Thanks to all those who offered suggestion in my search for a
Clark Terry-Bob Brookmeyer CD. The only one I could easily
find was "The powere of positive swinging". Those two are
such a delight together. They do indeed SWING, in the most
powerful sense of that word.
And I was absolutely stunned by the pianist, Roger "who?"
Kellaway. As an accompaniast he often kept a third melodic voice
going, in addition to chording. And some of his solos were
incredible.
-- cary
Morten Brochs
know of Laurie Frink, who played with Bob Mintzer's big band.
Morten
------------------------
Morten Brochs
Narvik, Norway
mo-...@online.no
Bookman
Before I had to play on a tuba mouthpiece, now I finally get to play on
a regular trumpet mouthpiece!! This trumpet stuff is cool.
--
Michael Bookman Jr.
Lead trumpet Myhouse Bigband
In article <7nitla$r12$1...@news.ccit.arizona.edu>,
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Howard Peirce
> And I was absolutely stunned by the pianist, Roger "who?"
> Kellaway. As an accompaniast he often kept a third melodic voice
> going, in addition to chording. And some of his solos were
> incredible.
Kellaway's indeed incredible. I'm no longer stunned by his playing; I expect it to be
surprising.
More recently, Kellaway has recorded some duets with cornetist Ruby Braff, I believe on the
Concord label. Recommended listening.
HP
Robert DeSavage
Brings to mind another great pianist who worked with Bobby Hackett -
Dave McKenna.
First heard them together nearly 40 years ago, and thinking back about
it, McKenna was 'today' back then.
Bob
Bookman
is right, I'm just an ignorant SOB, but that was way way before I went
to unt.... I'm hurting inside now.... I'm think I'll quite playing
trumpet now... BOO HOO. I'M TELLING!!
Bookman
In article <19990722132342...@ng-fb1.aol.com>,
lelia...@aol.comNOSPAM (LeliaLoban) wrote:
> >Bookman,
> >I find it so hard to believe that you attend UNT, and are so
ignorant!>
>
> Okay, I don't know the whole history of all these Bookman
controversies, so
> maybe I should keep my trap shut, but it didn't look to me like he
was trying
> to flame anybody or cause any trouble on this thread. It seems to me
that when
> someone knows enough to know what he doesn't know, admits it and asks
for
> information about it, it wouldn't kill people to just give him a
civil answer.
> There's no such thing as a stupid question. If newcomers here see
someone
> getting disrespected like this, they might be afraid to ask
questions, too, for
> fear of getting the same type of reaction. Kind of defeats the
purpose of a
> newsgroup.
>
> Lelia
> Please delete NOSPAM from my address to reply by e-mail.
>
--
Michael Bookman Jr.
Lead trumpet Myhouse Bigband