One of Harry James' actual trumpets up for auction. Wow!
drmichae...@yahoo.com
JoeGuy
time. wish i had kept it. king made nice instruments durring that time. I
lost touch with their product line, and I guess that they closed their
Cleveland plant, just as the others closed down in Elkhart, Indiana. The old
craftsmen died or retired, and manufacturing became to costly. They sure
don't make them like this anymore.
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> http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/22557-Harry-James-Trumpet-Sinatra_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ52935QQihZ007QQitemZ170096807754QQrdZ1
>
thur...@allidaho.com
> looks like around a 1972 model. i had a king tempo student horn around that
> time. wish i had kept it. king made nice instruments durring that time. I
> lost touch with their product line, and I guess that they closed their
> Cleveland plant, just as the others closed down in Elkhart, Indiana. The old
> craftsmen died or retired, and manufacturing became to costly. They sure
> don't make them like this anymore.
>
>
> news:1175902775.2...@y66g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> >http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/22557-Harry-James-Trumpet-Sinatra_W0...
To the list:
I don't think this is HJ's actual trumpet, and the seller doesn't
claim it is. It looks like a "signature" model.
These are great horns - you just whisper into them and a rich, strong
tone comes out the other end. I have one and it is my main trumpet.
HOWEVER, unless it's HJ's real-for-honest gig-playing trumpet, it's
maybe worth $8-900. There are a lot of silversonics out there and
they typically auction around $700.
PS HJ in his prime did play King, but the model he played was the
Silvertone, an art-deco horn with about a .454 bore and sterling
bell. I've got one of those too. They are screamers, real jazz
horns. The Silversonic has a lot darker tone, more like the french
Bessons it was (I think) copied off of.
JN
JoeGuy
day, since the 1970's, and doesn't have the wear and tear associated with a
daily user. However, it is a testament to King horns of the day, and a very
beautifil instrument.
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ALAN CHEZ
drmichae...@yahoo.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1PzpuR6CqY
is the exact same horn that is being auctioned off.
I know of NO production made mass produced Harry James Signature
line HN White King trumpets ever being built, I would say that this IS
the personal and very last trumpet that Harry James ever played,
making it priceless.
Mikey Schmidt
Robert DeSavage
>I wonder if this horn that Harry James is playing:
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1PzpuR6CqY
>
>is the exact same horn that is being auctioned off.
I don't agree for these reasons Mikey. Look carefully at the Youtube
clip
1. The horn on the auction block is not the balanced model which Harry
was playing on the clip. The reason Harry played both Selmer and King
balanced models was to accommodate his long arms.
2. The horn being auctioned doesn't have a brace near the tuning
slide. Harry's horn does have a brace. I've seen many pix of Harry on
album covers that show the actual horn that he played.
Sometime soon, I'll scan a couple and send the images to you. In fact,
I saw Harry in person shortly before his death and the horn was as
described above. To this day, I remember Harry oiling up his horn
where he poured a full bottle of valve oil (Al Cass Fast) down the
bell. But only half of it entered the bell while the other half ended
down on his shirt and tie.
>
> I know of NO production made mass produced Harry James Signature
>line HN White King trumpets ever being built, I would say that this IS
>the personal and very last trumpet that Harry James ever played,
>making it priceless.
There were very few made to Harry's specs and not offered as
production horns. But I must say that the horn pictured is a beautiful
horn.
drmichae...@yahoo.com
observation these are not the same two horns. Which makes me
wonder...
just what is the history of this trumpet that is being auctioned,
was
this trumpet actually a trumpet that Harry James himself owned and
PLAYED???
I have posed the question to the seller, but so far they have not
responded.
The auctioneer estimates that this horn will auction off in the ten
thousand dollar + range. The only way that this trumpet is worth
anywhere near that amount of money is IF Harry James actually owned
and played it.
Mikey
Robert DeSavage
If it's being sold on EBay, I'd say 'BEWARE'! Since you've not gotten
any response from the seller, I'd head for the hills. The 'pedigree'
of the horn is dubious. If any of Harry's horns are to be for sale,
they're going to be sold thru a bona fide representative of Harry's
estate. Don't buy a pig in a poke. Otherwise you might end up getting
screwed but good.
BOB
JoeGuy
the instrument is genuine. What puzzles me is that it is still in brand new
condition. It appears to be around a 1971 model; which was the last great
vintage of King musical Instruments (1971-1977). Perhaps James owned the
instrument; but, kept it at home- and wasn't really ready to take it out
yet? I believe the instrument has tremendous historical value, and deserves
further research...And, yes, it would in fact be priceless...
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is definately worth the 2k asking price. Hey- CHEZ liked it!...
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model, which was one step below a Silver Flair, but retailed for around
450.00 at the time. As far as I know; James preffered gold laquered
instruments to silverplate; and silverplated instruments didn't make a
resurgence until Severinsen played his Getzen on TV; and Maynard Ferguson
introduced his beautiful Holton MF horn in the mid 70's. However; the horn
being auctioned, is not much different, except for the color scheme, and
tuning slide modifications- which leads me to believe that, whether or not
he ever incorporated it into his act; was custom made by King, for Harry
James, and is a reasonably similar, although better, horn than he is playing
here.
As far as his rendition of the tune; the band is mediocre; but, James
playing, in front of a live audience, is not bad. He exhibits a high range,
not seen on his 40's records, and the performance is not bad, considering
the restrictions of the material; and the short time allotted on the
Sullivan show. Better than the TJB. Also, it is interesting to see that his
style, in front of the orchestra, is very similar to Doc's... comments???
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Robert DeSavage
<johnsh...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>No, it isn't. The horn he's playing is a King Symphony, pretty much a stock
>model, which was one step below a Silver Flair, but retailed for around
>450.00 at the time. As far as I know; James preffered gold laquered
>instruments to silverplate; and silverplated instruments didn't make a
>resurgence until Severinsen played his Getzen on TV; and Maynard Ferguson
>introduced his beautiful Holton MF horn in the mid 70's.
To confuse the issue more, the K.Sym. also had a sterling silver bell
option which I bought thru the Navy S.O.M. in 1964 for about $375.00.
The S.O.M. would order it (or whatever make of instrument the student
wanted if not a King) on the phone from Manny's in NYC and that day,
Manny's would put it aboard a bus to Norfolk, VA where the horn would
be in the purchaser's hands the next morning. It was a pretty good
deal.
Jeff
this instrument actually belonged to Harry James. Read the
description carefully.
Robert DeSavage
It strikes me as being a 'commemorative' instrument put out as a
marketing ploy. Could be that the horn itself is a great horn, but
many manufacturers would do this including Le Blanc that once put out
an 'Al Hirt Model' which I owned. Beautiful LOOKING horn with Al's
siggie and fancy engraving, but played like a piece of crap. Didn't
take too long before I ditched it.
Jeff
wrote:
> It strikes me as being a 'commemorative' instrument put out as a
> marketing ploy.
We have a winnah.
Doubters are welcome to bid on my first tennis racket, signed by
Pancho Gonzales.
Robert DeSavage
My mom once shook hands with Ted Williams. She said, "I'll never wash
my hands again." Best that she did wash her hands. There's no telling
where Ted's hands were before she shook my mom's hand. Coming to think
about it - how safe would anyone actually be if they bought a horn
that Harry James played? Being the great womanizer that he was, it
could be that his lips night have touched women that I'd run like hell
away from. 8-)
JoeGuy
on the bell...I know of no "signature," horns produced by King. Whether or
not it was his; it's definately not a stock model- which is what had me
going. I wonder where the bidding will end?
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JoeGuy
Here's a link to an interesting website, managed by the family of Mrs. Edna
White, about the history of King instruments. Ironically, on the banner ad,
a full color pic of Harry James and Mrs. White appears; and he seems to be
holding this instrument...or at least an identical one. Perhaps it was a
signature model; but James is holding one in his hand, and it appears to be
from the mid 1950's. In the famous player's section it says that he played a
custom Silver Sonic, Super 20 King trumpet.
This would indicate that the horn is much older than the 1971 date I
imagined, and that he played it PRIOR to using the King Symphony that we
seen him with on YouTube and the 60's album jackets. It wasn't his last King
trumpet; rather, it was the earliest model he played durring his association
with HNWhite....(???)
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http://www.hnwhite.com/famous%20players.htm
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inscribed on the bell. It's probably not his personal horn. However, as it
shows on the family website, it's of the same vintage as his first HN White
King instrument; and appearently his name was used to market the horn.
Nonetheless, there certainly can't be many around in this condition, and
should be a worthwhile instrument to any collector. I'm surprised it doesn't
have the extreme hand engraving, which King specialized in, and was present
on his Selmer balanced horn.
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Robert DeSavage
<johnsh...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>Jeff,
>Here's a link to an interesting website, managed by the family of Mrs. Edna
>White, about the history of King instruments. Ironically, on the banner ad,
>a full color pic of Harry James and Mrs. White appears; and he seems to be
>holding this instrument...or at least an identical one. Perhaps it was a
>signature model; but James is holding one in his hand, and it appears to be
>from the mid 1950's. In the famous player's section it says that he played a
>custom Silver Sonic, Super 20 King trumpet.
>This would indicate that the horn is much older than the 1971 date I
>imagined, and that he played it PRIOR to using the King Symphony that we
>seen him with on YouTube and the 60's album jackets. It wasn't his last King
>trumpet; rather, it was the earliest model he played durring his association
>with HNWhite....(???)
>
Seems that King put out variations on the theme. The Silver Sonic
shown on the site below has throws on the 1st and 3rd slides as well
as a brace. If memory serves me right, Harry's horn(s) (King and / or
Selmer) didn't have throws at all.
drmichae...@yahoo.com
they have any proof that Harry James actually owned this trumpet. Byer
beware.
Mikey
tptplayer
owned by Harry James!
Todd
Jeff
Since they never claimed that Harry James actually owned the trumpet,
I'm not suprised that answering that piece of email isn't a high
priority for them.
drmichae...@yahoo.com
estimated that it will be auctioned off between $10,000.00 and
$12,000.00. If Harry James never once owned this trumpet, its value is
only somewhere around $2,000.00.
Mikey Schmidt
Look for the pre release of my all new Christian jazz cd "SPIRIT" to
be offered very soon at:
tptplayer
> be offered very soon at:
>
> www.trumpetofthelord.com
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Jeff
drmichae...@yahoo.com
Jeff, if this is NOT a trumpet that was once owned by Harry James, you
are right, I was wrong.
But then again, why do the auctioneers claim that this horn is
currently worth between $10,000.00 - $12,000.00 if it is just a HN
White trumpet that just happens to have Harry' name engraved on it, a
trumpet that would at best be worth only about two grand? Then again,
HN White trumpets with Harry's name on it are so rare that this
trumpet may just be the only one known to exist, which makes me wonder
if this trumpet is not the exact same trumpet that I once played in
1995 and that Harry once did own that is currently owned by the
Charles Gorby Sr estate from Charleston, WV. I honestly can not
remember (Sorry, but the muscular dystrophy makes it hard for me to
remember some things)if this was the trumpet that I played, but if it
is, Charles Gorby Sr himself once told me that this trumpet was once
owned by Harry James.
I asked the auctioneers if this horn is from the Gorby estate, and I
have not yet received an answer to that question either.
Why would HN White (Or someone else) have Harry's name scribed on only
one trumpet if the trumpet were not built just for Harry James?
Robert DeSavage
>On Apr 11, 8:45 pm, "Jeff" <jeff.helge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Jeff, if this is NOT a trumpet that was once owned by Harry James, you
>are right, I was wrong.
>
>But then again, why do the auctioneers claim that this horn is
>currently worth between $10,000.00 - $12,000.00 if it is just a HN
>White trumpet that just happens to have Harry' name engraved on it, a
>trumpet that would at best be worth only about two grand?
Mikey - Let the buyer beware and don't buy a pig in a poke. This is an
auction item. Anyone can put their horn up for auction and say it's
worth anything they want it to be, even if the value is inflated based
on sentiment rather than intrinsic (or 'book') value. The 8K to 10K is
not the asking price, since there is a minimum bid of $2000 which
would be fair. I'm certain that anyone in their right mind and knows
what he or she is doing will do some very thou rough research on the
horn's pedigree before they plunk down big bucks. It's a beautiful
horn, but is it just a beautiful horn meant to be a working horn - or
does it fall in the 'art' category much like a valuable painting? Even
with that, experts have been known to be duped buying bogus artwork.
Just as someone about to dive into a swimming pool, make sure there's
water in the pool before you jump in. I notice that there have been no
bids on it. Could be that people smell something rotten in Denmark and
are keeping away from it. The ad is much too vague where much was said
about Harry, but very little about the horn itself. But I'm sure
there'll be a sap out there with more money than brains who knows
bupkis about trumpets and will be happy to part with the big bucks and
scoop up the horn thinking he bought the real McCoy.
Robert DeSavage
>Why would HN White (Or someone else) have Harry's name scribed on only
>one trumpet if the trumpet were not built just for Harry James?
Maybe there's another Harry James out there who also plays a King and
had his name engraved on it. Undoubtedly, there must be a whole bunch
of Harry James living in the word. It's not such an uncommon name. 8-)
JoeGuy
it's serial number; or case, or certificate of ownership? really, any one
can scribe any one's name on a bell, as an aftermarket thing. It doesn't
prove anything. You don't really even know if he held it in his hand. It
does look like the one presented him by Mrs. White- but they may have built
several prototypes. This can be an Alaska Pro horn, fully refurbished.
As an instrument, by vitue of being vintage model, it's worth 2500.00$ maybe
a little more. Then again; maybe alot more to a collector. Who knows- it may
only sell for 8-900.00$...I don't see any reserve.
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>On Apr 11, 8:45 pm, "Jeff" <jeff.helge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Jeff, if this is NOT a trumpet that was once owned by Harry James, you
>are right, I was wrong.
>
>But then again, why do the auctioneers claim that this horn is
>currently worth between $10,000.00 - $12,000.00
Wouldn't it be wonderful to see the horn that Harry played last on
display next to Dizzy's horn at the Smithsonian Institute for all to
see rather than it fall in the hands of a greedy collector who thinks
of it's value in terms of money rather than history? Just a pipe dream
on my part, I'm afraid. 8-(
Jeff
> But then again, why do the auctioneers claim that this horn is
> currently worth between $10,000.00 - $12,000.00 if it is just a HN
> White trumpet that just happens to have Harry' name engraved on it, a
> trumpet that would at best be worth only about two grand?
Maybe they assumed some sucker would fall for it.
Randy Replogle
.... there must be a whole bunch
> of Harry James living in the word. It's not such an uncommon name. 8-)
I'd be really suspicious if it said Hairy James.
Randy
Robert DeSavage
Beware of engravers that have spelling deficiencies and have to cross
out their mistakes with a correction made above. But there again,
coins and postage stamps have been deemed as most valuable because of
engravers mistakes.
Robert DeSavage
And it would be a perfectly legal transaction. Fools and their money
are soon parted.
drmichae...@yahoo.com
The auctioneer claims that this really IS one of Harry James' actual
trumet, and is willing to provide a COA from KING
>From Doug:
" We have a COA from King that will be posted on our website today."
Mikey
JoeGuy
authenticity; then i wonder why UMI didn't try to get it back? They've been
trying to promote their King line for years...? The ad had no mention of
serial numbers from 1952; or those on this horn.
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Jeff
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enough to be able to bring the attachment here, sorry. The COA does
NOT say that this trumpet was actually Harry James' personal trumpet.
It just states that this is a Harry James model trumpet.
Mikey
drmichae...@yahoo.com
I can try to forward the email to one of you computer geniuses who
might be able to post it, my computer won't let me copy it,
nevertheless, the point being is that the COA only says that this is a
Harry James model trumpet, and it does NOT say that Harry James owned
this trumpet.
Mikey
Robert DeSavage
Don't try to attach a file - especially a GIF or JPG image file - to a
non-binary Usenet group. All that will do is add a bunch of 'hash'
(aka CODE that makes an image) to an ordinary text message. Much
bandwidth is used. Rather than doing that, simply copy and paste the
URL to the posting (as you have done in the past) and let the reader
launch it.
Robert DeSavage
Since it's a JPG file and not a 'text' extension file, it won't post
here.The only way you can post it for all to see is by inserting the
JPG to your own web site with your URL so the readers can launch to
your site directly. Talk to the person who designed and built your web
site to get rolling.
drmichae...@yahoo.com
I just spoke with Doug Norwine* on the phone.
Doug says that this trumpet WAS owned and played by Harry James, and
that the seller can provide two items as proof , a COA and a poor
quality zerox picture of the seller with Harry James and the horn.
Doug says that the item description will be updated soon to reflect
that this trumpet was indeed once owned and played by Harry James
(himself).
Mikey
****************************
* Doug Norwine
Director of Music and Entertainment Memorabilia
Heritage Auctions
3500 Maple Avenue, 17th Floor
Dallas, Texas 75219-3941
do...@ha.com
1-800-872-6467 Ext. 452
214-443-8452 direct line
214-298-9211 cell phone
214-443-8479 fax number
http://entertainment.heritageauctions.com/
Robert DeSavage
>UPDATE
>I just spoke with Doug Norwine* on the phone.
>Doug says that this trumpet WAS owned and played by Harry James, and
>that the seller can provide two items as proof , a COA and a poor
>quality zerox picture of the seller with Harry James and the horn.
>Doug says that the item description will be updated soon to reflect
>that this trumpet was indeed once owned and played by Harry James
>(himself).
>
>Mikey
From what you've said so far Mikey, the only thing that would convince
me is a DNA test. But that's a long shot if the horn was chem cleaned.
Is the COA the same one you sent me and is the picture of Harry and
the seller the one on the King web site? That picture really is
inconclusive.
drmichae...@yahoo.com
Doug claims that he has a different COA plus a picture that proves
that Harry James actually owned this exact horn.
I have not as of yet seen ANY conclusive proof yet that Harry ever
owned or played this trumpet, but Doug claims that he can provide
solid evidence that Harry did own this trumpet.
If the real Harry James did own and play this trumpet, and it looks
like he once did, it is priceless.
Mikey
JoeGuy
of several, Harry James, 'personal horns,' lately; and one on display in a
museum in Palm Beach, Florida. Maybe he had as many horns as DiMaggio signed
baseball bats? To me- his only real, personal horns would be the Selmer
balanced hand engraved one; and the King Symphony on the album covers. If
Harry could raise a couple k by selling horns around back in the day- maybe
he did. I would. We know he played the horses. There maybe a couple of dozen
like that.
However, I think this one is different. It looks like one in the pic with
Mrs.White, and looks like it was never played...I'd be curious about the
serial numbers, which could put a date on it, and the condition of the case.
Perhaps it was in a vault for much of this time.
When Getzen produced a new Severinsen model a few years ago; each horn had a
certificate of authenticity, signed by Doc and Tom Getzen, and there was a
limited number made. I understand a lot of them were bought by Japanese
investors, and sealed and placed in vaults in Japan.
I seen an immaculate looking Getzen Severinsen, from around 1975, the old
vintage when Mr. Getzen ran the company, that only fetched 600.00$ on Ebay
last summer.
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<johnsh...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>Sure- maybe james owned the horn, but, for how long- ten minutes? I've heard
>of several, Harry James, 'personal horns,' lately; and one on display in a
>museum in Palm Beach, Florida. Maybe he had as many horns as DiMaggio signed
>baseball bats? To me- his only real, personal horns would be the Selmer
>balanced hand engraved one; and the King Symphony on the album covers. If
>Harry could raise a couple k by selling horns around back in the day- maybe
>he did. I would. We know he played the horses. There maybe a couple of dozen
>like that.
>However, I think this one is different. It looks like one in the pic with
>Mrs.White, and looks like it was never played...I'd be curious about the
>serial numbers, which could put a date on it, and the condition of the case.
>Perhaps it was in a vault for much of this time.
>When Getzen produced a new Severinsen model a few years ago; each horn had a
>certificate of authenticity, signed by Doc and Tom Getzen, and there was a
>limited number made. I understand a lot of them were bought by Japanese
>investors, and sealed and placed in vaults in Japan.
>I seen an immaculate looking Getzen Severinsen, from around 1975, the old
>vintage when Mr. Getzen ran the company, that only fetched 600.00$ on Ebay
>last summer.
I say bullshit to pedigree and be more concerned if the horn suits my
needs. If it does, it's worth the initial asking bid and subsequent
investment. If not, the horn isn't worth a damn and it's money down
the drain. Sentiment is nice; but it doesn't mean that a horn 'owned'
by Harry James is a champion dog. I'm sure that Harry had more
complimentary horns in his closet than Carter's have pills, and left
to wonder how he's going to squeeze one more horn in the closet.
Again, there's no such thing as a magic horn - no matter who owned it
or who played it for a moment and 'blessed' it.
JoeGuy
and a few pretty nice Olds, and Conns- for a decent price. gotta keep
looking.
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this trumpet would be changed promptly on the auction's eBay
description of the trumpet to specifically reflect that this horn
definitely was at one time actually owned and played by Harry James
(himself). So far, to the best that I can tell, it does not look like
the description of this horn has been changed at all. Also, I have
seen a COA, but I also have yet to see an LOA / COA that indicates
that Harry James HIMSELF actually owned and played this horn. The
auctioneer Doug Norwine insisted to me that this horn was owned and
played by Harry James, and that he could provide proof in the form of
a COA and a zerox picture of Harry with the horns present owner with
the trumpet, and I am not saying that Doug can or can not produce
these documents , only that if such proof does exist and I suspect
that they do, and my best guess is that more than likely this trumpet
was one of Harry James' , Doug has yet to prove to me 100 % beyond any
shaddow of doubt that this horn was owned by Harry James, so until he
does so, Buyer Beware.
Mikey Schmidt
Robert DeSavage
Again Mikey - Don't get star struck. What difference does it make who
played a particular horn? The bottom line that it's a just a hunk of
metal. No matter what horn you play, be it was owned by Harry James or
just an ordinary production horn, it's what YOU and your 98.6 body
temp put into the horn. You get no handicap advantage just because the
horn was played by someone else. Either you're a musician that knows a
good horn when he or she plays it and can play the daylights out of it
- or you're a collector that doesn't know shit from Shinola about what
horns are all about and it becomes just a horn that you hang on the
wall like a painting. Mikey - be objective rather than being
sentimental. You'll get better mileage on a horn by your attitude
being the former, rather than the latter.
David
Even if the horn belonged to Harry James, that doesn't make it a "good"
horn. I have a friend who played lead with HJ in the 70s. He said HJ had two
identical King trumpets that he acquired at the same time. HJ played one of
the horns exclusively while keeping the other as a backup. My friend played
both horns himself and said that the one HJ played all the time was a great
playing horn and the one HJ kept as a backup was awful.
David
Jeff
> My friend played
> both horns himself and said that the one HJ played all the time was a great
> playing horn and the one HJ kept as a backup was awful.
I guess that's why it was the backup. ;-)
Robert DeSavage
wrote:
>Even if the horn belonged to Harry James, that doesn't make it a "good"
>horn. I have a friend who played lead with HJ in the 70s. He said HJ had two
>identical King trumpets that he acquired at the same time. HJ played one of
>the horns exclusively while keeping the other as a backup. My friend played
>both horns himself and said that the one HJ played all the time was a great
>playing horn and the one HJ kept as a backup was awful.
>
>David
>
As Orwell said in Animal Farm - "All animals are equal, but some
animals are more equal than others" I guess the same can be applied to
trumpets even if they wear alike fur.
Jeff
> http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/22557-Harry-James-Trumpet-Sinatra_W0...
Some sucker paid $16K for this horn. Incredible.
Robert DeSavage
I don't care if the horn was owned and played by God. I won't spend
16K for any horn. I'd rather buy a new horn at rock bottom list /
discount price and pop it's cherry. If it develops into a good lover /
player, then it's a good investment. If not, it's a romance gone down
the crapper where I go on to the 'next'. 8-).
JoeGuy
enraved horn would bring that. unless the seller placed the bid; and will
auction it off again someday.
"Jeff" <jeff.h...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Robert DeSavage
I've seen Selmer balanced trumpets (not owned by James or Satch) that
go for 5K. That's about the top price I'd pay for any horn - only
because of it's workmanship. But NEVER because someone famous played
or owned the damned horn that I'd pay 16K for it.
St. John Smythe
> Some sucker paid $16K for this horn. Incredible.
Just for the sake of being pedantic, someone *BID* $16K for the horn.
We've seen outrageous bids before for the sake of ending an auction, so
it'll be interesting to see when/where this horn next pops up.
Best,
--
St. John
One advantage of talking to yourself is that you know at least
somebody's listening.
-Franklin P. Jones
Jeff
> We've seen outrageous bids before for the sake of ending an auction, so
> it'll be interesting to see when/where this horn next pops up.
I actually watched the general auction go down on and off throughout
the day, it was a combined floor/internet auction at which they were
selling hollywood memorabilia, some of which went for some pretty
incredible prices as well. There must have been 2000 items or so.
