Info on "Pan-American" trumpet...
Travis Smith
of mine who doesn't play trumpet. They found it in the basement and asked
me if I was interested in it. I went and played on it and liked it and they
said I could have it for $20, so naturally I took it. However, I know
nothing about these trumpets. On the bell it says:
Pan-American
made in
Elkhart - Ind.
U.S.A.
and also has a little bit of nice engraving on the bell. It is/was silver
plated and it appears that th inside of the bell was originally gold plated.
The serial number is 65XXX. Just wondering if anyone knew anything about
these horns.
Thanks,
Travis Smith
Travis Smith
when you take the middle piece out it moves the horn into B instead of Bb,
but I'm not sure if this is the purpose. Once again, thanks in advance.
Travis Smith
"Travis Smith" <cyp...@ev1.net> wrote in message
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Bob DeSavage
wrote:
>Does anyone know anything about these horns? I picked it up from a friend
>of mine who doesn't play trumpet. They found it in the basement and asked
>me if I was interested in it. I went and played on it and liked it and they
>said I could have it for $20, so naturally I took it. However, I know
>nothing about these trumpets. On the bell it says:
>
>Pan-American
>made in
>Elkhart - Ind.
>U.S.A.
It seems to me that P.A. was either manufactured or distributed by
Conn. I remember 50 years ago when a representative from the Conn Co.
visited my school. He was quite good as a multi-instrumentalist and
entertaining to us kids. But, I saw a few kids carrying the Pan
American name after the instruments were finally delivered. Back then,
a Conn Director sold for $110, with copper bell it was $130. Big money
in those days.
BOB
Travis Smith
says that it would have been made around 1900, which seems about right, from
the condition of the case and finish and design of the horn.
Travis Smith
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THE Old Man
OLD smell to it. And, that was about 1941. It was traded away for a King,
I think. Later, in high school, my band director said that the PA was a
pretty good horn. But, then, he never smelled THAT one.
:-)
dd
Bob DeSavage
wrote:
>One more thing... if it was made by Conn, as Bob advised, then the website
>says that it would have been made around 1900, which seems about right, from
>the condition of the case and finish and design of the horn.
>
>Travis Smith
On another note, I'd venture to say that if the student model Conns
and Pan Americans manufactured in the 50's were made the same way
today, they'd sell for BIG bucks and be comparable to the premium
custom crafted horns. Just as Detroit once manufactured great
automobiles, Elkhart once manufactured great instruments. Like most
everything else manufactured in the States, it's the quantity and not
the quality that matters. It wasn't that far back that being an
apprentice was a common thing in preparation to mastering a craft or a
trade. Nowadays, it's mastering the art of the spatula.
BOB
Travis Smith
aprox. '71, and now this PA. Honestly, the smell doesn't even bother me and
sometmes I almost like it. I'm sure the Jon would rather me have it smell
like Mulberry though. :-) My other main horn is a silver Strad 43, which
has been through a lot, and still plays better than any of these new strads.
It's been run over by a pit equipment cart right on the brace that goes
across from the leadpipe just before the tuning slide to the bell. Really
messed it up but there's a guy here in town that did some great work on it.
Anyway, my point was that even though my 43 places very nice, it will never
beat my old 37 or this new (old) PA.
Travis
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DHoff56012
>and Pan Americans manufactured in the 50's were made the same way
>today, they'd sell for BIG bucks and be comparable to the premium
>custom crafted horns. Just as Detroit once manufactured great
>automobiles, Elkhart once manufactured great instruments. Like most
>everything else manufactured in the States, it's the quantity and not
>the quality that matters. It wasn't that far back that being an
>apprentice was a common thing in preparation to mastering a craft or a
>trade. Nowadays, it's mastering the art of the spatula.
>
>BOB
>
Yes, I was at a friends house the other day and their daughter was learning
trumpet, and they had this old Pan-american cornet she was playing. It played
pretty darned well.
Travis Smith
> and Pan Americans manufactured in the 50's were made the same way
> today, they'd sell for BIG bucks and be comparable to the premium
> custom crafted horns.
I'd have to agree with you on this. Even if this is a student model horn
I'd never know it. And also, for being placed around 1900 for a
manufacturing date, it is in very good condition. The valves move better,
and more smoothly, than my silver strad. Thanks for all the info guys. To
think that I picked this thing up for $20.
Travis Smith
Dr. Trumpet
"Travis Smith" <cyp...@ev1.net> wrote:
> I'd have to agree with you on this. Even if this is a student model horn
> I'd never know it. And also, for being placed around 1900 for a
> manufacturing date, it is in very good condition. The valves move better,
> and more smoothly, than my silver strad. Thanks for all the info guys. To
> think that I picked this thing up for $20.
>
> Travis Smith
Travis,
I doubt the horn is a 1900 model. I do not believe that Pan American instruments
were made much before the 1950s.
I could be wrong,
AL
Travis Smith
the Conn website, which didn't give an actual instrument for each section of
serials. It only said something to the effect of "Cup Mouthpiece
Instruments." Oh well... no matter.
Thanks,
Trabis Smith
"Dr. Trumpet" <dr_trpt-...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Derek Smith
>
> I doubt the horn is a 1900 model. I do not believe that Pan American
instruments
> were made much before the 1950s.
>
> I could be wrong,
>
I've got an old Pan American cornet with serial no 151xxx, which according
to a very good source of serial numbers (Conn serial number list
http://www.musictrader.com/conn.html), places it at around 1917. Plays well,
but it heavier than it looks. I suppose that means 'solidly built'. I've let
a few people in the music group try it out and several trumpet players now
want one.
Any further information would be most welcome.
DelBoy
Catzz66
>aprox. '71, and now this PA. Honestly, the smell doesn't even bother me and
>sometmes I almost like it. I'm sure the Jon would rather me have it smell
>like Mulberry though. :-)
That is another nice thing about the scented Zaja, if you like old horns.
Usually a good wash out and relubing with Zaja gets rid of the worst of the
musty smells.
Tom Ciaramitaro
music tech locally put a new valve cap on (one missing) and kept shaking his
head. "Great horn for just being a student model". He found the serial ##
list also and said mine was 1902 - anyone's guess there. By the way, that
second slide section should have a threaded rod attached to it for sliding it
out just right and turns it into the key of 'A'.
=Tom
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Travis Smith
i could tell... anyway... a great horn, like you said...
Travis Smith
"Tom Ciaramitaro" <tomc...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Catzz66
>i could tell... anyway... a great horn, like you said...
>
B for you = A on the piano perhaps???
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Hope the helps, as so much more info out there is available since 2002 Fellow enthusiast Celino Dimitroff Gainesville, Fla
Here is the link to dates of production.. ---> copy and paste https://cderksen.home.xs4all.nl/ConnSerialsPanAmBrass.html