Why is nobody intersted in the medium bore Mt.Vernon Bach's?

Cliff Fitch

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Jun 8, 2003, 10:22:07 PM6/8/03

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I have noted a huge difference in price between the medium bore and
medium-large bore Mt. Vernon Bach Strads and was wondering if anyone knows
why? I use to own a medium bore New York Bach 37 made in 1950 that played
and sounded awesome. Even the medium bore Martin Committees seam to hold
thier own. Just curious. Thanks, Cliff

SiegTrmpt

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Jun 8, 2003, 10:40:57 PM6/8/03

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>I have noted a huge difference in price between the medium bore and
>medium-large bore Mt. Vernon Bach Strads and was wondering if anyone knows
>why? I use to own a medium bore New York Bach 37 made in 1950 that played
>and sounded awesome.

I have 3 of them and they play great. Mine all have the 38 bell. I think (don't
know for sure) but there are a lot more M bores around. You'd be hard pressed
to notice the difference between the M and ML bores and, even if you did, you
could open your mouthpiece up a little and come up with the same feel as an ML
bore. The real "sleeper" is the NY Mercedes model which is the same as medium
bore Strad and has a one piece bell and monel pistons. It's just missing the
cosmetic nickle plating and a third slide stopper and extension. They are every
bit as good as a Strad but, because of the use of the Mercedes name on
intermediate instruments in the 70's and 80's they are inexpensive. I buy every
one I can get my hands on. Bill S.

Dr. Trumpet

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Jun 8, 2003, 10:56:13 PM6/8/03

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I'd love to find either at a good price.

AL

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SiegTrmpt

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Jun 8, 2003, 11:01:57 PM6/8/03

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>I'd love to find either at a good price.
>
>AL

Hi Al, Send me a private email. I might be able to fix you up. Bill S.

Catzz66

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Jun 9, 2003, 6:28:36 AM6/9/03

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I think that some people find them stuffy, but for me, they take the same
playing technique as a horn like a Yamaha 6310Z. I don't have any problem with
them at all. I usually carry two Bbs just for grins so I try to make sure one
of them is a horn like that, either a medium bore horn or step bore horn. It
is not hard to get used to if you play them fairly often.

DHoff56012

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Jun 9, 2003, 9:46:26 PM6/9/03

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>I think that some people find them stuffy, but for me, they take the same
>playing technique as a horn like a Yamaha 6310Z. I don't have any problem
>with
>them at all. I usually carry two Bbs just for grins so I try to make sure
>one
>of them is a horn like that, either a medium bore horn or step bore horn. It
>is not hard to get used to if you play them fairly often.
>
>

I think you are right. In particular, people used to Bachs find them stuffy.

David

bachfan

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Jun 10, 2003, 4:17:18 PM6/10/03

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I have a NY Mercedes #5897 (for sale) M-bore and I don't find it
stuffy at all. It just feels a tiny little smaller, that also goes for
the grip of the hands. I did some concerts on it in a bigband setting
(Metropole orchestra) and it worked fine for me.

What's with the valves. Do all Bach trumpets around that time have
nickel-silver valves and slides or is it just for the cheaper Mercedes
?

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SiegTrmpt

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Jun 10, 2003, 6:58:41 PM6/10/03

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>What's with the valves. Do all Bach trumpets around that time have
>nickel-silver valves and slides or is it just for the cheaper Mercedes
>?
>

Most of the earlier Bach trumpets had nickle valves. Later in the NY period the
Strad and the Mercedes both had Monel valves. I have not narrowed down the
date. In the Mt. Vernon period the Mercedes had a two piece bell and nickle
valves to lower the price some more. The NY Mercedes was almost identical to
the Strad with a few cosmetic compromises with the finish. Bill S.

Guess who?

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Jun 10, 2003, 11:01:17 PM6/10/03

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Are you talking about the pistons or the valve casings?

bachfan

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Jun 11, 2003, 11:36:03 AM6/11/03

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The pistons are nickel-silver and seem shorter to. The inner tubes of
the slides are also made of nickel-silver. The body itself is
completely yellow brass.

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