Noisy valve springs
Miles Krawiec
I just purchased a used Benge flugelhorn. Nice horn, but the valve
springs are noisy. What can be done to correct this noisy distraction?
Miles
mwil...@icx.net
too. The store worker I bought it from said it would "break in" after a
while and it hasn't yet. If you don't mind the extra noise....stick
with the old springs. If it gets to ya, then see about getting new
ones.
Steve Johnston
In article <327FD1...@icx.net>, mwil...@icx.net writes:
>Miles Krawiec wrote:
>>
>> I just purchased a used Benge flugelhorn. Nice horn, but the valve
>> springs are noisy. What can be done to correct this noisy distraction?
>>
>> Miles
You might try pulling on the springs to lengthen them a bit.
--
Time was invented to keep everything from happening at once.
Space was invented to keep everything from happening to you.
johnston@Eng (Steve Johnston)
Steven Roberts
Be carefull if you decide to pull your valve springs. A common cause
for spring noise is that the springs are not 'straight' and when
compressed, instead of compressing within the spring itself (hence the
barrel shaped spring design on many) the spring 'bends' as it
compresses. Try a new set of springs. Try several sets of springs.
Gail Lawson
Miles Krawiec wrote:
>
> I just purchased a used Benge flugelhorn. Nice horn, but the valve
> springs are noisy. What can be done to correct this noisy distraction?
>
Raymond Johnston
Often times when springs become noisey, it is because they could be
bent or stretched and be rubbing against casing. New springs will take
care of this and it is cheap.
Tim Hurdle
I am interested in playing some fluegel horn music but am
coming from Bb and C Bach Strads with Warburton 4D/5* mpc
combo.
I don't want to get very far from this mpc but am not sure
what is normally used for fluegels. Will I need to get
a completely different mpc? And if so, do I need to be
concerned about the differences effecting my embochure?
Also, any recommendations on good quality upper intermed. to
lower pro line fluegels would be greatly appreciated. I
would most like a horn that plays freely and naturally tends
to 'center' on notes as do my Bach Strad Trpts.
Thanks in advance ...
Tim
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Tulsa Band Instruments
Hi Tim,
The flugel horn is a beautiful instrument that is worthy of your
efforts.
Tim Hurdle wrote:
>
> I am interested in playing some fluegel horn music but am
> coming from Bb and C Bach Strads with Warburton 4D/5* mpc
> combo.
>
> I don't want to get very far from this mpc but am not sure
> what is normally used for fluegels. Will I need to get
> a completely different mpc? And if so, do I need to be
> concerned about the differences effecting my embochure?
Yes and no. You will need to get a different mouthpiece as the flugel
horn requires a different shank than the trumpet. When looking for a
flugel mouthpiece, find one with a comfortable rim and a nice, deep,
french-horn type mouthpiece. You may want to call Warburton and talk to
them about getting a 4FL flugel mouthpiece. This would keep your rims
the same, but allow for the conical mouthpiece that you will need. If
you don't want to do that, then I would suggest the Stork mouthpieces
http://plainfield.bypass.com/bypass/users/stork/index.html. They make
some great mouthpieces, and their flugel mouthpieces are outstanding.
>
> Also, any recommendations on good quality upper intermed. to
> lower pro line fluegels would be greatly appreciated. I
> would most like a horn that plays freely and naturally tends
> to 'center' on notes as do my Bach Strad Trpts.
Well, not to sound like a broken record, but I _really_ like the
Kanstul flugel horns. They are extremely well made, and play better
than any other flugel horn I've ever played (and I've played them
all...almost). They have two product lines for the flugel. The Custom
Class and the Zigmant Kanstul. The CC is similar to a Courtois or
Yamaha, and the ZKT has no comparison. You can check out Kanstul
products at
http://members.aol.com/kanstulmus/index.html
If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask.
--Donovan
Tulsa Band Instruments, Inc.
mailto:Tul...@ionet.net
(918)252-1176
jamm...@aol.com
Last summer I went on a flugel mouthpiece hunt in NYC.. I tried Warburton,
Bach, Stork, and Schilke. I found all seemed to have the same problem:
They got incredibly flat as the range increased starting at about b above
the staff... That is until I tried Bob Reeves. I am playing a 42fl and it
is superbly in tune.
BTW, try one of the new Bach 183 Flugels... Surprisingly nice playing horn
at about $300-$500 less.
Robertson Madill
Tim Hurdle wrote:
>
> I am interested in playing some fluegel horn music but am
> coming from Bb and C Bach Strads with Warburton 4D/5* mpc
> combo.
>
> I don't want to get very far from this mpc but am not sure
> what is normally used for fluegels. Will I need to get
> a completely different mpc? And if so, do I need to be
> concerned about the differences effecting my embochure?
>
> lower pro line fluegels would be greatly appreciated. I
> would most like a horn that plays freely and naturally tends
> to 'center' on notes as do my Bach Strad Trpts.
>
> Tim
>
horns, and play only at church or home -- but I play the Bach Strad flug
(Model 183) and am very happy with it as far as that Bach "centering"
feel. My trumpet is their 180SLR (LRS ?) so I appreciate your
preference for the Bachs' behavior.
As far as mouthpieces I use the 1.5C on the flug -- it's rim is very
similar to my 1.5B tpt mpc, but it's got that big honkin' v-shaped cup
(a la French Horn) that really lets you crawl all over the low stuff
(and high) with that big, soft, open flug sound.
Brien Gilliam
jamm...@aol.com wrote in article
<19961114022...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
The Bach 183 fluegel isn't the most popular fluegel around, but of all the
fluegels
I've played (Yamahas, Coutois, Getzen ,...), it's the one I prefer. It has
a rich warm
sound that I prefer to the Yamahas. I haven't play a Kanstul fluegel, so I
can make a
comparison. My advice... try as may horns as you can get hands on (either
locally or
through mail order) and choose the one that fits into your budget and
satisfies your ears :)
-Brien
Sam Samalsson
Stomvi mouth piece Combi System has a great flugel cup and you play with same
rim on trumpet, cornet and flugel horn.
Works fine for me and Maurice Andre.
Ronald LHerault
Steven Roberts (st...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: > >>
: > >> I just purchased a used Benge flugelhorn. Nice horn, but the valve
: > >> springs are noisy. What can be done to correct this noisy distraction?
: > >> Miles
: >
: > You might try pulling on the springs to lengthen them a bit.
: >
: > --
: > Time was invented to keep everything from happening at once.
: > Space was invented to keep everything from happening to you.
: >
: > johnston@Eng (Steve Johnston)
: Be carefull if you decide to pull your valve springs. A common cause
: for spring noise is that the springs are not 'straight' and when
: compressed, instead of compressing within the spring itself (hence the
: barrel shaped spring design on many) the spring 'bends' as it
: compresses. Try a new set of springs. Try several sets of springs.
I was told to Vasaline my valve springs. This at least should quiet them
down.
Ron
ad...@aol.com
Shilke made me a mouthpiece with a rim identical to my Bb mouthpiece, and
the flugle cup and shank of my choice for a nominal fee. Good for going
back and forth easily in jazz.
Hope this helps
Dean
Baxter
Ronald LHerault <lher...@bu.edu> wrote in article
<56n7i9$j...@news.bu.edu>...
> down.
>
> Ron
>
> I have found the same thing with the Benge cornet. Maybe it's a design
flaw. I'm not sure how to fix it, but good luck though.
>
> LC
>