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Bondgoat

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Jun 13, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/13/98
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This pole should be separated into unaccompanied and accompanied. I think just
to be consistent we should also deal with the "classical" genre. Playing a 16
bar jazz tune (improvisation not included) isn't as difficult as playing a 10
minute piece. Also, trying to further define the word difficult, we should
consider technique and musicality. Range shouldn't be a consideration for
difficulty (otherwise, we'd have to consider all the clarino concertos
difficult).

dennis

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Jun 13, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/13/98
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Bondgoat <bond...@aol.com> wrote..

> This pole should be separated into unaccompanied and accompanied.

you referring to a *poll* i assume?

just off the top of my head, i'd nominate the concerto for trumpet by sandoval.
i've only heard it once, but i remember thinking there wouldn't be too many
people who could play that.

Joe Potter

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Jun 13, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/13/98
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After not much careful thought I nominate either "Carnival of Venus" or
"Cascades" both by Allen Vizutti. I guess "Emerald Concerto" is right up
there. Vizutti definately writes with his own particular style in mind.
Those 2 octave and 3 octave skips are downright impossible for 99% of
trumpet players.
-Joe

P.S. As far as straight ahead jazz goes, "confirmation" is a pretty hard
chart to get just right.

C...@sig.4address

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Jun 14, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/14/98
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In article <358342...@wsu.edu>, japo...@wsu.edu wrote:

>dennis wrote:
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>> Bondgoat <bond...@aol.com> wrote..
>> > This pole should be separated into unaccompanied and accompanied.
>

Three candidates:

Zimmermannm: Concerto: Nobody Knows the Trouble I See
Davies: Sonata
Desenclos: Incantation, Threne et Danse

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Troy Regan

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Jun 15, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/15/98
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dennis wrote:
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> Bondgoat <bond...@aol.com> wrote..
> > This pole should be separated into unaccompanied and accompanied.
>
> you referring to a *poll* i assume?
>
> just off the top of my head, i'd nominate the concerto for trumpet by sandoval.
> i've only heard it once, but i remember thinking there wouldn't be too many
> people who could play that.

I have an LA Benge pocket trumpet, a regular trumpet and a cornet.
The cornet is the most comfortable to play of the three.

TR

Jasveer Singh

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Jun 15, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/15/98
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Troy Regan wrote:

> I have an LA Benge pocket trumpet, a regular trumpet and a cornet.
> The cornet is the most comfortable to play of the three.
>
> TR

And this has to do with what...?

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Patrick Olguin

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Jun 15, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/15/98
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I would guess that the Carnival of Venus is difficult because of all
the toxic gases one inhales while playing on that planet? One piece
that's deceptively difficult is the simple yet beautiful Bach/Gounod
Ave Maria. With so few notes, if you fluff one of them, it sticks out
like a sore thumb.

Patrick

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Joe Potter

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Jun 15, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/15/98
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The spelling of the word "Venus" is correct when in reference to the
Vizzutti variations. Do a little research before you make an ass of
yourself and buy the album "The Carnival of Venus". You'll hear the very
definition of difficult.

RobinsonP

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Jun 17, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/17/98
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My vote goes to Lucia Dlugoszewski's _Space is a Diamond_. To my knowledge,
Gerry Schwartz is the only person to ever have played it. It is for
unaccompanied trumpet, and starts on a pianissimo high G (that's the one with
four ledger lines above the staff) and glissandos up from there. It has high
notes (obviously), low notes (below the usual range), all those in between;
fast, slow, long, and short notes; mute changes while holding notes; probably
circular breathing (I can't see any other way to play some of those phrases);
etcetera, etcetera... The music is (was?) published by Margun, and there is a
recording of it that I haven't seen outside the Oberlin Conservatory library
since I was a student there. If you can find it, check it out.

-Robin

Robinson Pyle
Arlington, MA

C...@sig.4address

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Jun 17, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/17/98
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In article <199806171624...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
robi...@aol.com (RobinsonP) wrote:

Robin,

I agree. I forgot about that one. That was one hot album. Wasn't the
Davies Sonata on that one as well?

AL

TomDonJuan

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Jun 18, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/18/98
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>My vote goes to Lucia Dlugoszewski's _Space is a Diamond_. To my knowledge,
>Gerry Schwartz is the only person to ever have played it.

That piece is pretty crazy... I thought it was written by Donald Erb, though.
Maybe I am mistaken, can anybody clarify this?

Chris

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Jun 18, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/18/98
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In article <199806180152...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
tomdo...@aol.com (TomDonJuan) wrote:

It is Lucia Dlugoszewski. I found my copy of the music!

William F. Dishman

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Jun 18, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/18/98
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I have the Gerard Schwarz recording of "Space is a Diamond" It is indeed
difficult due to the range requirements and special effects necessities. It
is truly "modern" music and I admit I don't appreciate this piece other
than for the dexterity and technique it must require. I suppose I'm not
mature enough musically yet to "get" this type of music, but I tend to go
for the melody and phrasing first and technique 2nd. hats off to Gerard
for developing the skills to play this piece but I prefer some of his other
recordings more. JMHO Bill Dishman

C...@sig.4address

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Jun 18, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/18/98
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In article <6mattb$str$1...@maya.ece.ufl.edu>, "William F. Dishman"
<afn5...@afn.org> wrote:

Bill,

For pure beauty of performance and listening enjoyment, I agree totally.
I find it interesting to klisten to this work to see what a trumpet can be
made to do. It is an achievement, to be sure, but not may favorite piece
of music, either.

Best,

AL

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