Cornet sound
Darin Harada
So now that everyone has a cornet, what should a cornet sound like?
I realize that the question is rather open-ended, but I would like
everyone's input on the various nuances of cornet playing. In
particular, I'm interested in knowing about the changes in the cornet
sound since the early Arban days through the Clarke era and up to today,
and whether those changes are a matter of physics (mouthpieces,
instrument design, etc.) or of styles/trends in the music. If any of
you could alternatively or supplimentarily refer me to a good book on
cornets, I'd appreciate that as well.
Thanks in advance,
Darin Harada
dar...@hawaii.edu
IM JAZD 1
Get "Cornet Favorites" by Gerard Schwartz! He's the man..or used to be anyway.
It's great.
Scott E. McDonald
let you know what a Cornet should sound like. They have some wonderful
musicians in the band who play the cornet with a beautiful, full, warm
sound.
Scott
P.S. Normal discalimer - Not affiliated with the group..Just play the
instrument and drink the beverage by the same name.......er....once in a
while. ;-)
Darin Harada wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> So now that everyone has a cornet, what should a cornet sound like?
Gary Mattie
That will all depend on what type of music you are playing.
Brass band music requires a round and well-balanced sound. Jazz
requires a slightly stronger sound with edge. You see, it can vary
greatly depending on where you are going with it.
The wrong mouthpiece can wreck your sound either way.
Denise
dma...@bwn.net
Baird & Judy
little jazz
Scott E. McDonald wrote:
> Get a hold of a Mr. Jack Daniel's Original Silver Cornet Band CD. THAT will
> let you know what a Cornet should sound like. They have some wonderful
> musicians in the band who play the cornet with a beautiful, full, warm
> sound.
>
> Scott
> P.S. Normal discalimer - Not affiliated with the group..Just play the
> instrument and drink the beverage by the same name.......er....once in a
> while. ;-)
>
> Darin Harada wrote:
>
Paul Ayick
for a brighter sound use a shallower cup depth.Generally the V cups are darker but
it's the depth that really changes the timbre.I may be missing something here when
you say "long shank".i would think the shank would have to be a certain size to
have the horn properly pitched.
RPatchell wrote:
> What are some good mouthpieces to really get a dark CORNET sound. I have a
> long shank Blessing 7C that makes the cornet sound like a trumpet. I would be
> interested in specific makes and model numbers of long shank mouthpieces that
> sound more cornet-like.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Roy Patchell
> RPat...@aol.com
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> Darin,
>
> That will all depend on what type of music you are playing.
>
> Brass band music requires a round and well-balanced sound. Jazz
> requires a slightly stronger sound with edge. You see, it can vary
> greatly depending on where you are going with it.
>
Jazz cornet sounds vary widely, and there are some wonderful jazz cornet
players that sound as different as night and day; for my money they've all
got a great "cornet sound" (in that it doesn't sound like trumpet or
flugel), but there's still a lot of room for individuality. Ruby Braff gets
perhaps the darkest, warmest cornet sound in the world, but Rex Stewart
sounded like he was leading troops into battle. Both great players. Graham
Haynes is an "ultra-modern" jazz cornetist with a very "true" cornet sound;
he sounds best to my ears on Don Byron's Music for Six Musicians. He's also
done some ambient/techno/trip-hop/fusiony stuff, which IMO is not very
interesting except for the novelty value of hearing a true cornet sound on
ambient/techno/trip-hop fusion stuff.
HP
Ed
any flugel mpc I have also. It makes the cornet sound closer to a flugel than
a trumpet. Its a beautiful sound but I've found the high register so difficult
that I can only use it for low to mid range melodic stuff.
Ed
In article <19990124220158...@ng39.aol.com>, rpat...@aol.com
says...
Ed
Early cornets (turn-of-the-century) were mostly shepherd's crook style, mpcs
were small and V-shaped and trumpets were less popular than cornets (I think).
The bore sizes were also generally smaller than we find today. By the 40's and
50's they were almost exclusively long models. By the 70's the trumpet had
taken over in most bands. Now there seems to be a revival of interest in
cornets, particularly the shepherd's crook (SC) style. The popular mpcs today
seem to be large, deep cup models.
I have played a turn-of-the-century SC, a 1943 Holton long model, a 1953 Conn
that looks much like a trumpet, a 1974 Bach Strad long model and a recent
vintage King SC cornet. I thought the oldest one had a dark but small or thin
sound, the Holton had the brightest sound, the Conn had a nice intermediate
sound but a somewhat thin tone, the Bach had a full, intermediate to dark sound
and the King has a very dark sound. I think this is somewhat representative of
the time periods of each instrument although, of course, there are substantial
variations in quality of the instruments also.
Most concert band music (which was written before the last 2 or 3 decades)
calls for cornets rather than trumpets although most bands ignore that and use
trumpets anyway. In that setting the cornet frequently (usually?) carries the
melody but it also needs to blend with the other instruments. I find that the
brighter sound of a long cornet matches the wodwinds better than the darker
sound of a shepherd's crook. The British brass bands tend to use shepherd's
crooks which seem to me to blend better with the low brass.
Ed
In article <36aaad09...@news.bewellnet.com>, gma...@bwn.net says...
>
>Darin,
>
>That will all depend on what type of music you are playing.
>
>Brass band music requires a round and well-balanced sound. Jazz
>requires a slightly stronger sound with edge. You see, it can vary
>greatly depending on where you are going with it.
>
>The wrong mouthpiece can wreck your sound either way.
>
>Denise
>dma...@bwn.net
>
Bill Hahn
I recently acquired a King Silver Sonic Master cornert in fine mechanical
shape, and it had a Bach 10-1/2C mpc. Having been playing an Olds Ambassador with a
Bach 7C, I found the King with the 10-1/2C really free and easy blowing with easier
acquisition of the higher notes. Unfortuntely, the mpc gives more of a trumpet
sound than I'd like--it's too bright, brassy, with an "edge." Now, when I try the
trumpet with the 7C I have to strain to play the darn thing and my jaw gets stiff
and sore within a half hour.
So, what I seem to find, is that the mouthpiece you use not only affects tone,
but also grants you some measure of ease (or lack thereof) in playing depending on
your physical chops. I know where there is a used 10-1/2C trumpet mpc and I wonder
if it would give me an even more edgy, hard trumpet sound, which I don't want.
Probably best to buy a 7C for the cornet, or maybe even a 5 to get the dark, rich,
almost "moody" sound I want, even though it would mean I'd work harder playing and
loose some endurance.
Anyone with similar haps?