> *That is so true, I am an awseome lead, if you do not believe me please
call
> Dr. Locy will be quick to tell you that I am gifted as one of the finest
> leads in the world.
> Dr. Locy should know, he heard me play for 2 + years, ask him, am I an
> awesome lead
Actually Mike,
Do you happen to have Dr. Locy's number (whoever he is), I'd like to ask
him a few questions...
In article <3991E541...@hotmail.com>,
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
----------
>From: "Woody Shaw" <kle...@fmctc.com>
In article <8msckd$smn$1...@ins21.netins.net>, "Woody Shaw" <kle...@fmctc.com>
wrote:
> "Michael E. Schmidt" wrote:
>
>> *That is so true, I am an awseome lead, if you do not believe me please
> call
>
>> Dr. Locy will be quick to tell you that I am gifted as one of the finest
>> leads in the world.
>
>> Dr. Locy should know, he heard me play for 2 + years, ask him, am I an
>> awesome lead
>
> Actually Mike,
> Do you happen to have Dr. Locy's number (whoever he is), 804-582-2000.
Ask for the fine arts department, dept of music.
Dr. Locy has served as the director of fine arts at Liberty University for
about the last 20 years or so, but the last word that I have is that he will
no longer be serving as department chair, but will still be on staff at L.U.
I have put a call in to Dr. Locy but he has been on vacation, so I do not
know what for sure if what I heard about Dr. Locy is true or not, I like to
get info right from the source first hand,
also, the last that I knew Dr. Locy was the director of music at Heritage
Baptist Church, Lynchburg Va, as far as I am concerned Dr. Locy, or as the
band alum who love and respect him call him "the lowce"is the man, if you
intend to say anything negitive about the lowce I will not even give you the
respect of responding and I will flat out ignore your comments. I'd like to
ask
> him a few questions...
Ask away, please call him.
>
>
> Come on you guys, don't go running this guy off. He was just sent here
> to sub for Michael Bookman.
> Larry
>
> In article <3991E541...@hotmail.com>,
> Jeff Wildman <Jef...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> I also checked Mr. Schmidt's Deja file and began to believe that he has
>> multiple personalities..as well as an ego that makes Bookman look like
amateur
>> hour.
>>
>> Woody Shaw wrote:
>>
>> > "Michael E. Schmidt" wrote:
>> >
>> > > *That is so true, I am an awseome lead, if you do not believe me please
>> > call
>> >
>> > > Dr. Locy will be quick to tell you that I am gifted as one of the finest
>> > > leads in the world.
>> >
>> > > Dr. Locy should know, he heard me play for 2 + years, ask him, am I an
>> > > awesome lead
>> >
>> > Actually Mike,
>> > Do you happen to have Dr. Locy's number (whoever he is), I'd like to ask
>> > him a few questions...
>>
>>
>
>
In article <8mv8k0$n01$1...@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>,
Michael Bookman, Jr.
Lead Trumpet Bigband
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But at 37 Schmidt is a lost cause. It is clear that he does NOT read
what he posts. He contradicts himself in his years of playing, his
experiences , his passing out, his embouchure advice.
Does anyone know of a good shrink?
Information about my trumpet & embouchure books.
http://www.BbTrumpet.com
Best wishes
Clint 'Pops' McLaughlin
Michael,
First, this is nothing to be proud of!
"Mikey" is not an "intern", he's got you beat by a long run. After this past
week I've learned to appreciate your posts more than ever before.
Trayne
Papa Books <mwb1jrN...@aol.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:08c57314...@usw-ex0105-035.remarq.com...
> Great I have an intern!!! Come here Mikey!!
>
> Michael Bookman, Jr.
> Lead Trumpet Bigband
----------
>From: mass...@my-deja.com
In article <8mvs4p$p26$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, mass...@my-deja.com wrote:
> O'K, fine....but even if you can do everything you say you can do, and
> more...you would still just be another egotistical ass trumpet player.
Untrue, I am humbled., humbled that God called me to play trumpet for him,
honored and thatnful that God put Richard Jewell into my life in 8 th grade
to show me his trumpet and who brought me to his band director and signed
him up, humbled that when we play people are in TEARS, sometimes they are in
tears to the point that I can hardly play at all, I am Gods HUMBLE servant.
> This is particularly unfortunate, since if you really do have the talent
> you claim to have, you would, no doubt be a great asset to a board group
> like this one. Believe it or not, most of us have heard and can
> recognize good trumpet playing when we hear it.
Well YOU are invited to Mtn Park First United Methodist Church in Stn Mtn
Georgia thats Sunday at 8:30 a.m. or 11:00 a.m., or Brookwood Baptist Church
the 20 th in Lawrenceville, Ga. It's a shame that your
> posts comes across like some kind of self inflated pompus ass.
It sure is, because one I am not, this computer is not me, just a bunch of
letters, come to my performances and concerts and get to know me, and also
more important about Jesus. We've all
You must not force notes.Resistence of the lips tp. the airstream, that is
the proper function of the lips, you must keep ypur teeth about 3/8 ths of
an inch apart from each other.
Proper spacing of the teeth is important .
----------
In article <10911-39...@storefull-111.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
Bbtr...@webtv.net ('Pops') wrote:
> What Schmidt may not realize is that there are some REAL pros on the
> list. WW NEVER posted anything like this. I only know 1 pro who does
> post garbage. And he is young and just getting started. I think that
> life will mellow him out.
>
PaulW
"Michael E. Schmidt" <fluge...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:8n1qh4$a6d$1...@slb3.atl.mindspring.net...
PaulW
"Michael E. Schmidt" <fluge...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:8n1pe7$5vm$1...@slb7.atl.mindspring.net...
Grammatical problems aside, that is a gruesome mental picture. Sort
of a Rube Goldberg perpetual e-motion machine. *shudder*
--
Randy Howard
Richard Jewell,,,,,,isn't he the guy who was accused of the Atlanta Olympic
bomb??
Dave Lee, J.D.
Could that have been a Bach very little sized, or another very little sized??
So, is there some comparison chart where I can locate the "very little sized
mouthpiece", so that I, too, can sound like Harry James??
Dave Lee, J.D.
>You must not force notes.Resistence of the lips tp. the airstream, that is
>the proper function of the lips, you must keep ypur teeth about 3/8 ths of
>an inch apart from each other.
>Proper spacing of the teeth is important .
I'll let Pop's handle this.
Dave Lee, J.D.
In article <8n1pfu$5vm$2...@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>,
"Michael E. Schmidt" <fluge...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Bookman was a lot like me, say 17 years ago.
Okay. Dr. Schmidt, have you ever heard of Edward Bergles? Probably not.
He's not a big time recording artist like you think you are, and he's never
played with any top 12 corps. He's been the lead soprano/ squealer in the
Racine Kilties since the early 70's/late 60's. He was asked to play lead in
Future Corps, but he refused, since it would mean moving across the country.
He's just a middle school band instructor and drum corps instructor/director
in Racine, Wisconsin. No one really knows about him except for members of
our little music community, however I'm absolutely positive that he can play
higher, louder, better in tune, and with better tonal quality than you. I'm
also quite certain that his classical music and his written and
improvisatory jazz is far superior. This is because he practices. He
doesn't quote his superiors and mentors to people he has never met, and he
doesn't waste time jerking it to old tapes of his long dead greatest
moments.
Ed is the prized student of Johnny Hemkis. I don't know if you know who
that is. I don't pay much attention to the trumpet community (I practice
too). He's an old man who's been teaching brass players and getting
recognition from all fronts as to his teaching ability for the past 60
years. He does a phenominal job of it, as is apperant when you look at his
students.
A few years ago, I was in Ed's classroom after school, standing around with
some friends, joking with Ed about how high he could play. He proceeded to
turn around, pick up his strad with a 1 1/4 C Vincent Bach mouthpiece, and
rip out a triple-high A. After that, he warmed up a bit and pulled out that
triple-high C.
And Mr. Hempkis has a new phenom by the name of Adam Schmitt. I know you
haven't heard of him. He's barely seventeen. It's not uncommon to hear him
playing your fabled triple-high G. While he probably can't do it with the
control and consistency that you say you have, he's also been playing the
trumpet for five years. And his chops are perfectly fine, also.
So before your ego goes up another notch, realize that if there are two
people that can play as high and higher than you, and you've never heard of
either of them, then there are probably a great deal more. You're not the
best, nor do you have the keys to being the best. You sound like you're
very good, and chances are you're a great deal better than me and most of
the people you try to boss around through your computer, but there are
people that are a lot better than you. And there are probably those that
are better than them. There's always someone better.
Judith Doss
P.S. If you want to validate my claims about Ed Bergles, find any mp3 or
other recording of the Racine Kilties and listen for all of the squealers.
This excludes 1975. David Kaprillian was the squealer that year.
P.P.S. Learn how to type.
"Bookman with a sound so powerful, men shake with fear while
women tremble in lust"
Yeah man!!!
"Michael E. Schmidt" <fluge...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>Bookman was a lot like me, say 17 years ago.
>
>----------
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>From: "Paul Widner" <pwi...@imagetag.com>
In article <Ba%k5.417$p25.1...@news.uswest.net>, "Paul Widner"
<pwi...@imagetag.com> wrote:
> Michael, if you are so humble then how come you said you were the great
> flugel player on earth?
>
> PaulW
>
> "Michael E. Schmidt" <fluge...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:8n1pe7$5vm$1...@slb7.atl.mindspring.net...
>>
>>
>> ----------
>> >From: mass...@my-deja.com
>> In article <8mvs4p$p26$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, mass...@my-deja.com wrote:
>>
>>
>> > O'K, fine....but even if you can do everything you say you can do, and
>> > more...you would still just be another egotistical ass trumpet player.
>> Untrue, I am humbled., humbled that God called me to play trumpet for him,
>> honored and thatnful that God put Richard Jewell into my life in 8 th
> grade
>> to show me his trumpet and who brought me to his band director and signed
>> him up, humbled that when we play people are in TEARS, sometimes they are
> in
>> tears to the point that I can hardly play at all, I am Gods HUMBLE
> servant.
>> > This is particularly unfortunate, since if you really do have the talent
>> > you claim to have, you would, no doubt be a great asset to a board group
>> > like this one. Believe it or not, most of us have heard and can
>> > recognize good trumpet playing when we hear it.
>> Well YOU are invited to Mtn Park First United Methodist Church in Stn Mtn
>> Georgia thats Sunday at 8:30 a.m. or 11:00 a.m., or Brookwood Baptist
> Church
>> the 20 th in Lawrenceville, Ga. It's a shame that your
>> > posts comes across like some kind of self inflated pompus ass.
>> It sure is, because one I am not, this computer is not me, just a bunch of
>> letters, come to my performances and concerts and get to know me, and also
>> more important about Jesus. We've all
>> > heard and seen plenty of those too.
>> > Larry
>> >
>> > In article <8mv8k0$n01$1...@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>,
>> > "Michael E. Schmidt" <fluge...@mindspring.com> wrote:
----------
>From: "Paul Widner" <pwi...@imagetag.com>
In article <X8%k5.415$p25.1...@news.uswest.net>, "Paul Widner"
<pwi...@imagetag.com> wrote:
> it nothing to do how you play, it has to do what you say ok? Now quite
> trying to change the subject. What does the later part of your post have to
> do with this post? nothing! let's stay on topic.
>
> PaulW
>
> "Michael E. Schmidt" <fluge...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:8n1qh4$a6d$1...@slb3.atl.mindspring.net...
>> Well, I am not posting junk, you just think that it is because you have
> not
>> heard me play and you do not know better.
>> Who was the greatest trumpet pro who ever lived?
>> Harry James.
>> Might I suggest that you actually go and buy one of Harrys c.d's and
> listen
>> to it.
>> I think about Harry's sound every time that I play, that is my goal, sort
>> of, to sound like Harry did on that trumpet, Harry cammanded his trumpet
>> like it was his own army.
>> Harry is the man, Harry did NOT have a 460 Bach, and Harry had a very
> little
>> sized mouthpiece.
>> For the most part, most trumpet players do not understand the right
> purpose
>> of the lips.
>>
>> You must not force notes.Resistence of the lips tp. the airstream, that is
>> the proper function of the lips, you must keep ypur teeth about 3/8 ths of
>> an inch apart from each other.
>> Proper spacing of the teeth is important .
>>
----------
>From: Papa Books <mwb1jrN...@aol.com.invalid>
In article <1affb180...@usw-ex0105-038.remarq.com>, Papa Books
<mwb1jrN...@aol.com.invalid> wrote:
> One difference though, I MAKE THIS LOOK GOOD BABY!! I don't
> need to self-promote my playing abilities
Neither do I , to those who have heard me play, I don't have to.
I can remember when I was director of Heritage , some of the kids were
talking about me and my horn playing from the "glory days", infering that
they never heard me play but that I must be washed up or have seen my better
days, that drum corps players today are better than those from the good old
days.,
After I had finally had enough, I quietly went and picked up a sop and went
behind the building where they could not see who it was and started
screamin.
High, loud and clear Callet style superchops playing.
I hit the super c on the g bugle , and then started slurring up from there
to the double super c.
They all went running to see who it was.
After that day, Heritage horn players and staff never put down my glory days
horn playing again.
Michael Schmidt
> because there's a lot
> of people out there that know I can truely blow Da horn.
> Whether in marching band, a rock/funk band, or even orchestra
> I'll succeed in pleasing the audience with wonderful music. If
> you think I'm dubba C crazy, maybe, but I only played it live
> only twice and that was in a solo.
Well, I once played an octive and a half higher than that note in a live
performance at the Bedford Invitational .
> WHAT THE HELL IS A SUPER
> HIGH C?!??! Call it Dubba!
What you call a dubba c is called a super c.
The c that I am talking about is the c THREE octives above the staff, or an
octive above your dubba c..
I hit the g above the c an octive above super c, or the g above double super
c at the Badford invitational in 1995,dont ask me to do it again, I doubt
that I could, but it is on video and there were over 2,000 witnesses
including the judges who did not know what to think, I received a 2 min
standing o that was so loud the drum major had to wait before he could take
us off the field.
What I did is rare but not inpossible, why and Jerry has guys that can even
go up to the next c.
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>From: OldTimer <plan...@upstream.net>
In article <MPG.13fe76fd3...@news.us.dell.com>, OldTimer
<plan...@upstream.net> wrote:
> In article <8n2ctg$ke5$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, mass...@my-deja.com says...
>> Emagine [sic] the possiblilites [sic]...you and Bookman. Two of the
>> greatest bull shiters [sic] in cibersapce [sic], endlessly blowing smoke
PaulW
Michael E. Schmidt <fluge...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:8n3u17$ko9$1...@slb0.atl.mindspring.net...
----------
>From: "Judith M Doss" <TWODA...@PRODIGY.NET>
In article <8n2rl7$3cf8$1...@newssvr05-en0.news.prodigy.com>, "Judith M Doss"
<TWODA...@PRODIGY.NET> wrote:
>
> I liked that David...
>
> Okay. Dr. Schmidt, have you ever heard of Edward Bergles?
No.
Probably not.
> He's not a big time recording artist like you think you are
I am a recording artist, I do not think of myself as a big time recording
artist, Phil Driscoll is a big time recording artist, not me.
>, and he's never
> played with any top 12 corps. He's been the lead soprano/ squealer in the
> Racine Kilties since the early 70's/late 60's.
The Kilties were a top 12 corps .
> He was asked to play lead in
> Future Corps, but he refused, since it would mean moving across the country.
> He's just a middle school band instructor and drum corps instructor/director
> in Racine, Wisconsin.
I have a lot of respect for that. >No one really knows about him except for
members of
> our little music community, however I'm absolutely positive that he can play
> higher, louder, better in tune, and with better tonal quality than you.
How do you know that, I dont even know that, you have never heard me play,
and I have not heard a recording with him on it in over 20 years, please.
> I'm
> also quite certain that his classical music and his written and
> improvisatory jazz is far superior.
Again, how would you know, but I bet his classical music is better,
classical music is not my thing.
> This is because he practices.
So do I, 3 hrs a day, 6 days a week. He
> doesn't quote his superiors and mentors to people he has never met, and he
> doesn't waste time jerking it to old tapes of his long dead greatest
> moments.
>
> Ed is the prized student of Johnny Hemkis.
Impressive.
> I don't know if you know who
> that is.
He is from days of a long time ago, yes I do and yes he is verry good.
> I don't pay much attention to the trumpet community (I practice
> too). He's an old man who's been teaching brass players and getting
> recognition from all fronts as to his teaching ability for the past 60
> years. He does a phenominal job of it, as is apperant when you look at his
> students.
I Agree 100 %
>
> A few years ago, I was in Ed's classroom after school, standing around with
> some friends, joking with Ed about how high he could play. He proceeded to
> turn around, pick up his strad with a 1 1/4 C Vincent Bach mouthpiece, and
> rip out a triple-high A. After that, he warmed up a bit and pulled out that
> triple-high C.
Which c , do you mean a super c, that is about as high as anyone can get on
that mouthpiece, baseed on what I have seen anyway.
>
> And Mr. Hempkis has a new phenom by the name of Adam Schmitt. I know you
> haven't heard of him. He's barely seventeen. It's not uncommon to hear him
> playing your fabled triple-high G. While he probably can't do it with the
> control and consistency that you say you have, he's also been playing the
> trumpet for five years.
This is because playing high has to do with how and with what you play, not
how long, I can not play as high as I did 5 years ago.
And his chops are perfectly fine, also.
That is because he is putting pressure on the jet or airstream, not his
lips,I can not understand why someone would put so much pressure on their
pils for no reason, whatsoever.
>
> So before your ego goes up another notch, realize that if there are two
> people that can play as high and higher than you, and you've never heard of
> either of them, then there are probably a great deal more.
i doubt it, those notes you mentioned are an octive lower than my best
range, but I am not the highest trumpet player in the worl, Jerry has 2 of
his players that play higher than I do, which is very very rare.
> You're not the
> best
I never said that I was the best high note trumpet player
, but how do you know, you have never heard me play HELLO!!!!!!!
>, nor do you have the keys to being the best
I disagree, Jerry has given me the keys, but I do not have the time or
direction to be a great high note player anymore, that is not my emphesis.
It was when I was at Liberty, but not anymore.
I wasted a lot of time and money the last time that I was in the studio
recordind high stuff, we did not selecet any of it for the c.d. .
>. You sound like you're
> very good, and chances are you're a great deal better than me and most of
> the people you try to boss around through your computer,
I am trying to help you, not boss you around, but I can not help you if you
do not want to learn or take risks to be different.
> but there are
> people that are a lot better than you
Now you have gone a little to far, there are some , no doubt, on the trumpet
that are better than. And there are probably those that
> are better than them. There's always someone better.
>
> Judith Doss
>
> P.S. If you want to validate my claims about Ed Bergles, find any mp3 or
> other recording of the Racine Kilties and listen for all of the squealers.
> This excludes 1975. David Kaprillian was the squealer that year.
I know who he is, thanks
>
> P.P.S. Learn how to type.
Wish I could, I can not type at all, sorry
>
>
>
>
I don't need to hear you play to establish that as fact. Your
attitude is enough for any of us, with or without good skill.
Usually, intelligent people discover that the more they know,
or the better they are at a given skill, the more there is to
be learned. It is only the naive that think they know it all,
or are the best at anything.
--
Randy Howard
And you have a Doctorate........sheesh, what other degrees does that school
offer. Can I get one by voice mail??
Dave Lee, J.D.
----------
>From: dave...@aol.comspamnot (Dave Lee)
In article <20000811211701...@ng-cl1.aol.com>,
dave...@aol.comspamnot (Dave Lee) wrote:
>>Harry did NOT have a 460 Bach, and Harry had a very little
>>sized mouthpiece.
>
> Could that have been a Bach very little sized
Well, the 460 is a refrence to Bachs "Besson" copy, the horn which Selmer
has mass produced with the Bach name which is a copy of the old Besson. .,
or another very little sized??
> So, is there some comparison chart where I can locate the "very little sized
> mouthpiece", so that I, too, can sound like Harry James??
When I played Harry's horn his mouthpiece was gone, but it was very small,
smaller than a 10 1/2 c.
I will have to research to get you the exact diamiters of Harry's
mouthpiece, maker, history, etc.
>
> Dave Lee, J.D.
----------
>From: dave...@aol.comspamnot (Dave Lee)
In article <20000811210721...@ng-cl1.aol.com>,
dave...@aol.comspamnot (Dave Lee) wrote:
>>honored and thatnful that God put Richard Jewell into my life in 8 th grade
>>to show me his trumpet and who brought me to his band director and signed
>>him up,
>
----------
>From: Bbtr...@webtv.net ('Pops')
In article <10911-39...@storefull-111.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
Bbtr...@webtv.net ('Pops') wrote:
> What Schmidt may not realize is that there are some REAL pros on the
> list. WW NEVER posted anything like this. I only know 1 pro who does
> post garbage. And he is young and just getting started. I think that
> life will mellow him out.
>
> But at 37 Schmidt is a lost cause. It is clear that he does NOT read
> what he posts. He contradicts himself in his years of playing
In what way?, his
> experiences
???? Prove this claim, list examples please... , his passing out, his
embouchure advice.
In what way, please be very specific, give details.
WHAT? Is that ROT13 encrypted, or do I have a hangover?
--
Randy Howard
>i doubt it, those notes you mentioned are an octive lower than my best
>range
Ed's c was nine ledger lines, or three octaves, above the staff. If you can
play four octaves up, then, by all means, record it, rip it, and send it to
me. Adam's g is seven and a half ledger lines up. That's the third octave
up from the staff.
Ed's imrovisation is out of this world. He plays like a saxophonist.
Actually, his saxophone playing is rather good as well. Anyway, that's a
tangent... He plays so well that I can with 100% certainty that he improvs
better than you. I said that Johnny loves this man. Trust HIS opinion. He
has said that Ed has the potential and ability to be the best in the world.
(that's a quote)
>This is because playing high has to do with how and with what you play, not
>how long, I can not play as high as I did 5 years ago.
What Ed plays all school year is flute, clarinet, saxophone, trombone,
french horn, drums, baritone, tuba, and trumpet that doesn't even go above
the staff. When he plays in front of his students he is careful not to show
them up. Granted, I do not know what he plays at home, but come the
beginning of Kilties season, he regularly states that it has been a while
since the last time he has squealed on a regular basis, and how much he
missed it. Those don't sound like the words of a Maynard Fergusen to me.
His range is simply there lying in wait for him.
Adam does play high and loud an awful lot, and that is why he can squeal.
He's about 3 billion percent committed to corps-style playing. When our
circuit, M.A.C.B.D.A. (a marching band circuit) plays our grand finale of
Falls - Theme from The Mission, it is not hard to hear him over everyone
else, screaming out an f above "dubba c" on the last chord.
>> but there are
>> people that are a lot better than you
>Now you have gone a little to far, there are some , no doubt, on the
trumpet
>that are better than. And there are probably those that
>> are better than them. There's always someone better.
If there are people (group A) better than you, and then there are people
(group B) than them, don't you think those people (group B) that are better
than them (group A) are then a lot better than you? Logic dictates that
they would be.
>> P.S. If you want to validate my claims about Ed Bergles, find any mp3 or
>> other recording of the Racine Kilties and listen for all of the
squealers.
>> This excludes 1975. David Kaprillian was the squealer that year.
>I know who he is, thanks
I'd suggest getting the 1998 Kilties show anyway. Ed's squealing on
Cocoanut Champagne is truly "ungodly," as Johnny puts it.
Judith Doss
HE'S BACK!
Glenn
The same Richard Jewel?!?! You know something, it's my guess you are just one
talented bullshitter that is having one hell of a time with this thread.
Dave Lee, J.D.
So, now you have access to Harry James horn?!? You are talented my man, with
every post you amaze me. It seems there is no end to it.
Dave Lee, J.D.
Amen! And goodbye, I hope.
Jack - Massachusetts
So he is back. Is there a picture of him picture or better yet do you
remember the show
The only real comedian I know who could play the trumpet was George Rock
from the Spike Jones band. I looked at Spike Jones band and my jaw drops in
amazement at what the member could do musically and then how they precede to
trash it.
Any other comedians you know of who played. I seen a picture of Moe Howard
holding a
trumpet but I don't think he actually played
And there won't be until we ignore him.
Jim Donaldson
Denver Colorado
JFDon...@aol.com
The Schilke Loyalist
http://www.dallasmusic.org/schilke
Right On!!!!!!
Why are we here, discussing trumpet issues on this newsgroup?
-To learn about how other players think/operate/fail/succeed
-To learn more about the profession that we've chosen
-To find out that other players suffer from the same problems that we do or
have done
-To meet players at all standards of ability, from 8-year old Johhny, whose
dad just bought him a $200 Olds Ambassador off Ebay (learnt that from this
NG) to people like Pops (an esteemed teacher and nice guy) and Wilmer (a
great player and nice guy)
-To discuss trumpet related issues, developments, methods
-To hear opinions on trumpet and trumpet related equipment
-To hear others' opinions on musicality and how they make the music sound
good
I think that just about covers it.
What very few people are interested in is arguing with others about how damn
good they are!
Nobody cares about how well you can play. You're not meant to be here to
impress us (not that you've done a very good job). I live in Australia. I
strongly doubt that I will ever meet you face to face, nor hear your
playing. I couldn't care less whether you were Gabriel himself, your
attitude and pomposity his put me off from listening to your ramblings, as
it has many other people who are now obviously filtering your responses out
from their computers.
Might I humbly make a few suggestions for you Dr Schmidt?
-Lay off the posts for a good two weeks and just see the kind of vibe that
is usually in place on this NG, just lay low and see how we usually operate
-Gather your thoughts on trumpet playing, sort out your experiences, work
out what you have to contribute to us. If you're just going to spout stuff
second-hand from jerome Callet, we can always go and ask him ourselves.
Maybe you have something different to offer?
-Come back when you can keep your ego in your pants
-Don't come back if your going to bring your bad attitude and start causing
a ruckus again
In conclusion:
IT'S NOT YOUR PLAYING, IT'S YOUR ATTITUDE THAT IS THE PROBLEM!
Where were the freaking spelling police on that one?
"Stuart Anthony Collidge" <scol...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:egHl5.30313$c5.8...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
> Any other comedians you know of who played.
I have a videotape of a Dean Martin/Jerry Lewis Telethon from November,
1953, in which Jerry plays the trumpet -- badly! -- in the closing
moments of the two-hour special.
Even Herb Alpert could clown around with the instrument. A 1958 novelty
record called "The Trial" by "Herb B. Lou and the Legal Eagles"
features on the flip side the most horrid trumpet solo ever recorded,
titled "Kiss Me."
Probably the strangest trumpet solo appears on an old RCA Victor LP in
the 1960s by Bernie Green: "Kiss of Fire" actually pieces the solo
together on recording tape, one note at a time, into the proper
sequence. Weird effect! And to top it off, each note comes on a
different stereo track!
In article <8n3usa$9bt$1...@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>,
"Michael E. Schmidt" <fluge...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>
> ----------
> >From: Papa Books <mwb1jrN...@aol.com.invalid>
> In article <1affb180...@usw-ex0105-038.remarq.com>, Papa Books
> <mwb1jrN...@aol.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> > One difference though, I MAKE THIS LOOK GOOD BABY!! I don't
> > need to self-promote my playing abilities
>
> Neither do I , to those who have heard me play, I don't have to.
Okay, but conversely, is implicit in your statement (and evident in your
posts) that you feel that you DO have to self-promote to those who have
NOT heard you play. Why do you feel you have to do this? What do you
personally have to gain?
> I can remember when I was director of Heritage , some of the kids were
> talking about me and my horn playing from the "glory days", infering
that
> they never heard me play but that I must be washed up or have seen my
better
> days, that drum corps players today are better than those from the
good old
> days.,
> After I had finally had enough, I quietly went and picked up a sop
and went
> behind the building where they could not see who it was and started
> screamin.
> High, loud and clear Callet style superchops playing.
> I hit the super c on the g bugle , and then started slurring up from
there
> to the double super c.
> They all went running to see who it was.
> After that day, Heritage horn players and staff never put down my
glory days
> horn playing again.
Great story! Your appetite for approval and external validation are so
voracious that you contrive to satisfy it by "impressing" children. In
the student-teacher relationship, who is serving whom?
Respectfully,
Tom Murphy
>
> Any other comedians you know of who played. I seen a picture of Moe
Howard
> holding a
> trumpet but I don't think he actually played
>
There was a guy named Pete Barbutti(sp) that I seem to remember playing
the trumpet as part of his act on the tonight show years ago. I'll never
forget him sticking a plunger on the side of a piano and putting his
cigar in the hole so he could play with both hands. Larry Fine played
the violin.
--
Randy Replogle (Central Indiana)
GROW UP! No one cares about whether the guy in Wisconsin or Schmidt is the
better trumpet player!
Mr. Schmidt, if you'd like to enlighten us as to you playing technique, do
it in another thread. And do it clearly. Your posts are in the majority a
jumbled mess. If you are indeed as good as you claim, and you can manage to
convey to us you methods in a way which is understandable to us, then you
could be a great asset to this group.
BUT, arguing with us will do no one any good. None. Zero. Zip.
I believe, in fact I'm certain, that you've said you want to help us.
Arguing in an unsupported manner with one of the more learned members of
this group (which is how this all started) is not the way to gain the trust
and respect of this group and allow them to learn from you. If you are to
argue, then you should at least support this with more than your own
experiences. From what I gather, you are far from the average trumpet
player, so you can not generate a generality from your experiences alone.
So, if you genuinely want to help us, then do so. But DO NOT continue in
this silly argument. All it does is help clog the net's bandwith with
useless material.
Scott Stephens
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In article <20000812205127...@ng-bh1.aol.com>, tray...@aol.com
----------
>From: Tom Murphy <tmur...@my-deja.com>
In article <8n95ig$3k1$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, Tom Murphy <tmur...@my-deja.com>
wrote:
----------
>From: "Stuart Anthony Collidge" <scol...@bigpond.com>
In article <egHl5.30313$c5.8...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com>, "Stuart Anthony
Collidge" <scol...@bigpond.com> wrote:
Instead of attacking me, why dont you try my ideas about trumpet playing, as
soom as we get to the meat of this issue, the trumpet tech stuff, you all
run and hide, I have been playing 23+ years, if you are smart you will
listen to me, if not, you will be like all those other clone trumpet
players.
> -Gather your thoughts on trumpet playing, sort out your experiences, work
> out what you have to contribute to us. If you're just going to spout stuff
> second-hand from jerome Callet, we can always go and ask him ourselves.
You are right about one thing, if you call Jerry, he will talk to you, but I
do not agree with or follow everything that Jerry teaches 100 %, I have my
own sound, but Jerry has had a lot to do with helping me develop that sound.
> Maybe you have something different to offer?
> -Come back when you can keep your ego in your pants
Well, ego this, if I continue to play like I did in yesturdays 11:00
service, then the only thing holding me back form everyones respect is the
chance for you to hea, period, no reason to takl this out further.
Michael
> -Don't come back if your going to bring your bad attitude and start causing
> a ruckus again
>
> In conclusion:
> IT'S NOT YOUR PLAYING,
You have that correct. IT'S YOUR ATTITUDE THAT IS THE PROBLEM!
Well,We are not trying to be stuck up, just honest, we try to tell it like
it is, I tell it like it is, it makes me angry when our ministry does not
get the respect that WE deserve, when we do not get the time of day from
music (so called) ministers, when they do not respond top opur staffs calls
that is RUDE.When WE are playing on this level, all of our critics, ALL of
them are those who have not heard what we are doing, everywhere we go, we
are changing the opinions of our critics,If you dont believe me call Dr.
Raybun at Mtn. Park First United Methodist Church in Stn. Mtn. Ga, we made a
believer out of her yesturday, we are not playing around with this trumpet
playing, we take it VERY seriously, but the proof is in the SOUND, on the
sonic end of things my friend, and on the flugelhorn we are where we need to
be, there is no flugelhorn player that can make that horn sound better than
we are making it sound, period,we are told this everywhere we go, we dont
make that claim on the trumpet , but on that flugel, listen to our sound and
our sound will HUMBLE you.Our trumpet sound is improving and we plan to make
some more changes, we are almost there .
By the way, we play for ONE person, we do not play to impress you , we do
not play to be the most professional, we play for JESUS, and JESUS only, but
we are proud of our hard work and nothing is wrong with that.
Michael
>
>
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>From: OldTimer <plan...@upstream.net>
In article <MPG.13ff54747...@news.us.dell.com>, OldTimer
<plan...@upstream.net> wrote:
> In article <8n3v5s$hee$1...@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>, fluge...@mindspring.com
> says...
>> Randy,
>> If you think that I am full of b.s. then come hear me play tomorow.
>> Mtn Park First United Methodist Church, Stn Mtn Georgia at 11:00 a.m.
>> I am not afraid to back up what we claim with quality hornplaying.
>> I invite you and you friends to come decide for yourself.
>> Michael Schmidt
>
> I don't need to hear you play to establish that as fact. Your
> attitude is enough for any of us, with or without good skill.
> Usually, intelligent people discover that the more they know,
> or the better they are at a given skill, the more there is to
> be learned. It is only the naive that think they know it all,
> or are the best at anything.
Randy,
Hey wait a min. buddy,
I never said that I know it all,
I do not know it all, but I serve someone who truly is omniscient, his name
is Jesus.
Michael
>
> --
> Randy Howard
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>From: "Judith M Doss" <TWODA...@PRODIGY.NET>
In article <8n4aiu$3sik$1...@newssvr05-en0.news.prodigy.com>, "Judith M Doss"
Was it an accident, or intentional that you did not deny that
you "are the best", but only that you never said that you knew
it all?
"kirk reeves" <workin...@uswest.net> wrote in message
news:3995D4A1...@uswest.net...
> You mean Frosty the Snowman played a horn? (For all who do not know,
Frosty
> the Snowman was the Voice of Jackie Vernon)
>
> So he is back. Is there a picture of him picture or better yet do you
> remember the show
> The only real comedian I know who could play the trumpet was George Rock
> from the Spike Jones band. I looked at Spike Jones band and my jaw drops
in
>
> amazement at what the member could do musically and then how they precede
to
> trash it.
>
> Any other comedians you know of who played. I seen a picture of Moe
Howard
> holding a
> trumpet but I don't think he actually played
>
>
> Instead of attacking me, why dont you try my ideas about trumpet playing,
as
> soom as we get to the meat of this issue, the trumpet tech stuff, you all
> run and hide, I have been playing 23+ years, if you are smart you will
> listen to me, if not, you will be like all those other clone trumpet
players.
I think you'll find I didn't run and hide when you you told Trayne 102 on
the group to double tongue by saying "ded dih gee". Double tonguing is
fairly easy "trumpet tech stuff" to be getting wrong.
> Well,We are not trying to be stuck up, just honest, we try to tell it like
> it is, I tell it like it is, it makes me angry when our ministry does not
> get the respect that WE deserve, when we do not get the time of day from
> music (so called) ministers, when they do not respond top opur staffs
calls
> that is RUDE.
No trumpet player has a divine rite to be heard. Nobody should be forced to
listen to you. If you think not having your calls is rude, try the real
world of pro playing where some slimy fixer hasn't paid up, then you'll find
out about not having calls answered.
>When WE are playing on this level, all of our critics, ALL of
> them are those who have not heard what we are doing, everywhere we go, >we
are changing the opinions of our critics,If you dont believe me call Dr.
> Raybun at Mtn. Park First United Methodist Church in Stn. Mtn. Ga, we
>made a believer out of her yesturday, we are not playing around with this
>trumpet playing, we take it VERY seriously,
The beauty about this ng is you never know who you'll run into. Now you
reckon your the best thing since sliced bread and Dr Raybun (a very nice
lady I'm sure) has been converted by you. Then you can come across Wilmer
Wise, who does't make any claims for himself, posts in a restrained and
helpful manner and who was described by Leonard Bernstein as "a genius of a
1st trumpet player".
>on the flugelhorn we are where we need to be, there is no flugelhorn player
>that can make that horn sound better than we are making it sound, period,we
>are told this everywhere we go, we dont make that claim on the trumpet ,
but >on that flugel, listen to our sound and our sound will HUMBLE you.Our
>trumpet sound is improving and we plan to make some more changes, we are
>almost there .
Wow, this is a big statement, the trouble is you are told you are the best
out in the sticks where I bet the opportunity to hear the best players of
our time live are limited. But what you need to do is to get into the real
world. If you got to some of the bigger conurbations in that great country
of yours and you were humble enough to listen with an open mind then you
will be surprised/amazed by what you'd hear. Why do you think there is one
flugel sound? Are you telling us that you make a better jazz sound than Art
Farmer and Clark Terry etc, a better ballad/commercial sound than Eddie
Severn and a better brass band sound than the likes of Mark Walters. Hells
teeth, at last a player who is all things to all men!!
yours
Brian Jones
>I think you'll find I didn't run and hide when you you told Trayne 102 on
>the group to double tongue by saying "ded dih gee". Double tonguing is
>fairly easy "trumpet tech stuff" to be getting wrong.
Brian,
I didn't bother to even respond to Dr. Schmidt and his sarcastic lesson on how
to double tongue. I thought it was funny that he couldn't even tell me how to
double tongue, but rather how to triple tongue! I'm sure I can out "tongue"
the "Dr." any day of the week, I was just trying to joke about how well the
"man" double talks. I filtered him out over 2 weeks ago! Unfortunately, I
still get responses from others responding to him. Just ignore him and he'll
get the message. I've noticed since a majority of this NG has stopped
responding to his idiocracy, the responses of Dr. Scmidtz have somewhat
diminished. Don't let this character get to you, show him how real
professionals react to his nonsense. I was one of the first posters to
respond to him, and took some flames for doing so. I guess I just don't rate
: ) . Take care,
Trayne
I know I should let it go but I'm jealous. I've made a living out of my
trumpet one way or another since I left music college but I've never found a
gig that I could live off if I only played for a relatively short while on a
Sunday. This gentleman calls himself a professional when he apparently
plays in church on Sundays, my kid brother stopped calling himself a
professional trumpet player when he started to do some teaching as well as
playing. At the time he played lead trumpet for the Miller UK Orchestra,
Barry White, Marty Paiche, Jiggs Whigham and played for most of the
television companies in the UK. As to why the posts have slowed down you
must have noticed that it was Sunday when nothing was posted (it was gig
day) and a couple have started to appear since - about some apparently
wonderous playing in the 11 o'clock service.
I know that at 37 years old if he honestly believes he's the best flugelhorn
player in the world then nothing I say will alter that opinion, but in a
moment of weakness, I just let loose.
I am sorry you were flamed for responding to him - I can't imagine who
agrees that he's the best because a convincing case could be made for at
least 50 people. I'll try not to rise to the bait again and will feel
suitably embarressed when it proves to be a hoax by Scooter, Donny or
Bookman.
all the best
Brian Jones
BTW I hope you can tell from my original answer to the good Dr that I was
being sarcastic. In answer to posters like this I find that when I reread
them later I use far too much irony and sarcasm.
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>From: tray...@aol.com (Trayne102)
In article <20000815164629...@ng-fg1.aol.com>, tray...@aol.com
(Trayne102) wrote:
>>From: "Brian Jones"
>
>>I think you'll find I didn't run and hide when you you told Trayne 102 on
>>the group to double tongue by saying "ded dih gee". Double tonguing is
>>fairly easy "trumpet tech stuff" to be getting wrong.
>
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>From: Tom Murphy <tmur...@my-deja.com>
In article <8n95ig$3k1$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, Tom Murphy <tmur...@my-deja.com>
wrote:
> With apologies and respect to those who continue to have the discipline
> to leave this thread alone, I break down and throw in my two cents....
>
> In article <8n3usa$9bt$1...@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>,
> "Michael E. Schmidt" <fluge...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> ----------
>> >From: Papa Books <mwb1jrN...@aol.com.invalid>
>> In article <1affb180...@usw-ex0105-038.remarq.com>, Papa Books
>> <mwb1jrN...@aol.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> > One difference though, I MAKE THIS LOOK GOOD BABY!! I don't
>> > need to self-promote my playing abilities
>>
>> Neither do I , to those who have heard me play, I don't have to.
>
> Okay, but conversely, is implicit in your statement (and evident in your
> posts) that you feel that you DO have to self-promote to those who have
> NOT heard you play.Well, we will be discussing and negotiating with a few
major Christian labels this month, if we sign a contract, they will do all
of the promoting for our c.d., not me.
That is not my purpose for speaking about trumpet playing here.
> Why do you feel you have to do this?
To magnify our Lord and savior, to promote band., To help new kids do well
in band.
>What do you
> personally have to gain?
> Re:
What I do is not for personal gain.
We give all of the praise and honor and glory to the Lord Jesus Christ, this
is his ministry, not mine.
We promote what we do, and we are on our way to being big time, the only
thing between where we are today, and being one of the largest most
respected solo instrumental brass players in the country is time, if we can
continue to perform on the level we did last sunday, we will earn your
respect, time will give us a larger fan base and more radio time, this all
will help, we are on the way, we have the right people to help us out, just
as Brad and Todd Olsen in "The Waiting " were once an unknown and became
popular, so will we, we have the same people involved in helping us as they
did, we are on our way, people love our flugelhorn, and they will love what
we are going to do on the mellophone also, but this takes time, it is hard
to wait but in time we will accomplish our goals.
Michael
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>From: "Scott Stephens" <sco...@fuse.net>
In article <sph53kk...@corp.supernews.com>, "Scott Stephens"
<sco...@fuse.net> wrote:
> I totally agree. Everybody is bickering like a bunch of 7 year olds. The
> grown up version of "it's my dolly" "NO, it's MY dolly".
>
> GROW UP! No one cares about whether the guy in Wisconsin or Schmidt is the
> better trumpet player!
>
> Mr. Schmidt, if you'd like to enlighten us as to you playing technique, do
> it in another thread. And do it clearly.
Well, It is hard to teach trumpet playing over a computer, the best advice
is to do what works for you, use the horn or mouthpiece that works for you,
not has a certian name, try out these horns, and buy the best horn that you
can afford.
Buy superchops by Callet, Callet is the man, he can exsplain what I do
better that I can. Your posts are in the majority a
> jumbled mess. If you are indeed as good as you claim,
Without a doubt, esp. on the flugelhorn, if there is a better way to make
that flugel sound better that I make it sound, I dont know of it or how, we
sound better than chuck on that horn without a doubt.
> and you can manage to
> convey to us you methods in a way which is understandable to us, then you
> could be a great asset to this group.
I try my best, I usually teach seminary and Bible college classes, I have
never taught trumpet in any public forum, only in private lessons where one
one one trumpet is easy to teach, if the student will practice right.
>
>
> BUT, arguing with us will do no one any good. None. Zero. Zip.
> Well, I am on or in the defensive mode here, I was attacked and when our
ministry is attacked, and it has been a lot this year, we intend to defend
it till the end.
>
> I believe, in fact I'm certain, that you've said you want to help us.
> Arguing in an unsupported manner with one of the more learned members of
> this group (which is how this all started) is not the way to gain the trust
> and respect of this group and allow them to learn from you.
Well , the way that guys like me play is not status quoe, do you live near
Georgia?
Perhaps you could come to my mini concert sunday morning at Brookwood
Baptist Church in Lawrenceville, Ga. If you are to
> argue, then you should at least support this with more than your own
> experiences. From what I gather, you are far from the average trumpet
> player, so you can not generate a generality from your experiences alone.
>
> So, if you genuinely want to help us, then do so. But DO NOT continue in
> this silly argument.
We intend to defend our ministry, esp to or from those who have not heard me
play, yet put down my hornplaying.
> All it does is help clog the net's bandwith with
> useless material.
>
> Scott Stephens
> Stuart Anthony Collidge <scol...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> news:egHl5.30313$c5.8...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
>> Man, you are just failing to see the point.
>>
>> Why are we here, discussing trumpet issues on this newsgroup?
>> -To learn about how other players think/operate/fail/succeed
>> -To learn more about the profession that we've chosen
>> -To find out that other players suffer from the same problems that we do
> or
>> -Gather your thoughts on trumpet playing, sort out your experiences, work
>> out what you have to contribute to us. If you're just going to spout
> stuff
>> second-hand from jerome Callet, we can always go and ask him ourselves.
>> Maybe you have something different to offer?
>> -Come back when you can keep your ego in your pants
>> -Don't come back if your going to bring your bad attitude and start
> causing
>> a ruckus again
>>
>> In conclusion:
>> IT'S NOT YOUR PLAYING, IT'S YOUR ATTITUDE THAT IS THE PROBLEM!
>>
>>
>
>
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>From: OldTimer <plan...@upstream.net>
In article <MPG.14027c83...@news.us.dell.com>, OldTimer
<plan...@upstream.net> wrote:
O.K., you asked ME, so you will get my views,
I really like the way that lil doc plays the flugelhorn, he might be a
better player of that horn than me, but his tone is not as good as mine is
on the flugelhorn.
That is my opinion based on hearing both of our flugelhorn recordings,
without a doubt I sound better than Chuck, Chuck is not even close.
As far as the trumpet, in no way am I the best trumpet player in the world,
after thinking about this for about a week or so I would still say that
Harry was the best ever, but Maynard , Ingram, driscoll, lil doc ,and others
play better than I do, I was always thebest at being loudest and the
highest , esp. when i was in my early 30's , it is quite awesome what I used
to do on that horn from a loud and high standpoint, and every now and then
on a good day I can still play up there, but more often I can not get way up
there these days, what I can not figure out is that I can not plaY AS LOUD
AS I USED TO, I GUESS BEING ON THE MIC HAS ME SPOILED.
WHERE WOULD I BE THESE DAYS WITHOUT A MIC AND A SOUND PROCESSOR, IT IS A
WHOLE NEW BALL GAME WITH THESE TOYS.
> but only that you never said that you knew
> it all?
I DO NOT KNOW IT ALL, I LEARN SOMTHING NEW ABOUT THESE HORNS EVERY DAY.
MICHAEL
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>From: "Brian Jones" <br...@trumpetman.fsnet.co.uk>
In article <8ncfcs$vbf$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Brian Jones"
<br...@trumpetman.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> Hello Trayne
>
> I know I should let it go but I'm jealous. I've made a living out of my
> trumpet one way or another since I left music college but I've never found a
> gig that I could live off if I only played for a relatively short while on a
> Sunday. This gentleman calls himself a professional
Professional :"Relating to, engaged in ot suitable for a profession ,ingaged
in a specific activity as a source of livelihood, performed by persons
receiving pay, having great skill in a praticulr field or activity, a person
following a profession, on who has assured competence in a particular field.
We are PAID for what we do, what we do involves a lot of MONEY, we are
engaged in playing the trumpet for money, but money is NOT why we play, we
play for MINISTRY, not MONEY, we receive monies from many sources,
donations, love offerings, honorariums, performance fees, studio fees,sales,
mec lic, etc.
"when he apparently
> plays in church on Sundays,
Our focus is MINISTRY, most of our ministry is on sunday, but we have had at
one time or another a gig on every day of the week.
my kid brother stopped calling himself a
> professional trumpet player when he started to do some teaching as well as
> playing.
Well, think of me as God's trumpet player, it is ministry to us, not just a
profession, it is about PEOPLE, not gigs.
> At the time he played lead trumpet for the Miller UK Orchestra,
> Barry White, Marty Paiche, Jiggs Whigham and played for most of the
> television companies in the UK. As to why the posts have slowed down you
> must have noticed that it was Sunday when nothing was posted (it was gig
> day) and a couple have started to appear since - about some apparently
> wonderous playing in the 11 o'clock service.
> I know that at 37 years old if he honestly believes he's the best flugelhorn
> player in the world then nothing I say will alter that opinion, but in a
> moment of weakness, I just let loose.
> I am sorry you were flamed for responding to him - I can't imagine who
> agrees that he's the best because a convincing case could be made for at
> least 50 people. I'll try not to rise to the bait again and will feel
> suitably embarressed when it proves to be a hoax by Scooter, Donny or
> Bookman.
> all the best
> Brian Jones
> BTW I hope you can tell from my original answer to the good Dr that I was
> being sarcastic. In answer to posters like this I find that when I reread
> them later I use far too much irony and sarcasm.
Well, come listen to us play, or wait untill we are on your radio this fall,
then you might have somthing to say about how I play.
Michael
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In article <8nb2k2$ich$1...@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Brian Jones"
<br...@trumpetman.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> Hello Michael
>
>> Instead of attacking me, why dont you try my ideas about trumpet playing,
> as
>> soom as we get to the meat of this issue, the trumpet tech stuff, you all
>> run and hide, I have been playing 23+ years, if you are smart you will
>> listen to me, if not, you will be like all those other clone trumpet
> players.
>
> I think you'll find I didn't run and hide when you you told Trayne 102 on
> the group to double tongue by saying "ded dih gee". Double tonguing is
> fairly easy "trumpet tech stuff" to be getting wrong.
>
>> Well,We are not trying to be stuck up, just honest, we try to tell it like
>> it is, I tell it like it is, it makes me angry when our ministry does not
>> get the respect that WE deserve, when we do not get the time of day from
>> music (so called) ministers, when they do not respond top opur staffs
> calls
>> that is RUDE.
>
> No trumpet player has a divine rite to be heard. Nobody should be forced to
> listen to you. If you think not having your calls is rude, try the real
> world of pro playing where some slimy fixer hasn't paid up, then you'll find
> out about not having calls answered.
>
>>When WE are playing on this level, all of our critics, ALL of
>> them are those who have not heard what we are doing, everywhere we go, >we
> are changing the opinions of our critics,If you dont believe me call Dr.
>> Raybun at Mtn. Park First United Methodist Church in Stn. Mtn. Ga, we
>>made a believer out of her yesturday, we are not playing around with this
>>trumpet playing, we take it VERY seriously,
>
> The beauty about this ng is you never know who you'll run into. Now you
> reckon your the best thing since sliced bread and Dr Raybun (a very nice
> lady I'm sure) has been converted by you. Then you can come across Wilmer
> Wise, who does't make any claims for himself, posts in a restrained and
> helpful manner and who was described by Leonard Bernstein as "a genius of a
> 1st trumpet player".
>
>>on the flugelhorn we are where we need to be, there is no flugelhorn player
>>that can make that horn sound better than we are making it sound, period,we
>>are told this everywhere we go, we dont make that claim on the trumpet ,
> but >on that flugel, listen to our sound and our sound will HUMBLE you.Our
>>trumpet sound is improving and we plan to make some more changes, we are
>>almost there .
>
Someone please mail me about how to use the filter in Internet Explorer 5.
I am truly amazed at having to block out someone's, but, as they say, there
is a first time for everything.
"Michael E. Schmidt" <fluge...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:8ncitu$gfg$1...@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net...
> Trayne:
> What I said was not wrong, that is the way that I double tongue, you can
> hear an example of this on my c.d.,which will be released this fall, on
the
> song Via Dolorosa.We had a lot of luck recording that song, the song was
> recorded on one take, no splices at all.
> I hope you like the ending of that song, the ending of that song is an
> example of how at Trumpet of the Lord Ministries we are not afraid to try
> somthing newwith our electronicallyaltered - wet music .
> By the way, Mr. Hartlin "Hartley" Cruver, one of the most popular trumpet
> players during the 60's and 70's , the former well known soloist from Bob
> Jones University , particularly known for his monkey trumpet that used to
> help him play (Where we got the idea for our puppets) taught me how to
> double tongue HIMSELF,as he was a former private horn instructor of mine
> when I was in college, is the one who taught me that and it works very
> well.
>
> ----------
> >From: tray...@aol.com (Trayne102)
> In article <20000815164629...@ng-fg1.aol.com>,
tray...@aol.com
> (Trayne102) wrote:
>
>
> >>From: "Brian Jones"
> >
> >>I think you'll find I didn't run and hide when you you told Trayne 102
on
> >>the group to double tongue by saying "ded dih gee". Double tonguing is
> >>fairly easy "trumpet tech stuff" to be getting wrong.
> >
"Michael E. Schmidt" wrote:
> I have played my trumpet or sop at one time in over 40 states.
> I have played at Hofstra, Montreol, all over the place.
> You have no clue as to where I have played.
> Michael
>
> ----------
> In article <8nb2k2$ich$1...@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Brian Jones"
> <br...@trumpetman.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Hello Michael
> >
> >> Instead of attacking me, why dont you try my ideas about trumpet playing,
> > as
> >> soom as we get to the meat of this issue, the trumpet tech stuff, you all
> >> run and hide, I have been playing 23+ years, if you are smart you will
> >> listen to me, if not, you will be like all those other clone trumpet
> > players.
> >
> > I think you'll find I didn't run and hide when you you told Trayne 102 on
> > the group to double tongue by saying "ded dih gee". Double tonguing is
> > fairly easy "trumpet tech stuff" to be getting wrong.
> >
> >> Well,We are not trying to be stuck up, just honest, we try to tell it like
> >> it is, I tell it like it is, it makes me angry when our ministry does not
> >> get the respect that WE deserve, when we do not get the time of day from
> >> music (so called) ministers, when they do not respond top opur staffs
> > calls
> >> that is RUDE.
> >
> > No trumpet player has a divine rite to be heard. Nobody should be forced to
> > listen to you. If you think not having your calls is rude, try the real
> > world of pro playing where some slimy fixer hasn't paid up, then you'll find
> > out about not having calls answered.
> >
> >>When WE are playing on this level, all of our critics, ALL of
> >> them are those who have not heard what we are doing, everywhere we go, >we
> > are changing the opinions of our critics,If you dont believe me call Dr.
> >> Raybun at Mtn. Park First United Methodist Church in Stn. Mtn. Ga, we
> >>made a believer out of her yesturday, we are not playing around with this
> >>trumpet playing, we take it VERY seriously,
> >
> > The beauty about this ng is you never know who you'll run into. Now you
> > reckon your the best thing since sliced bread and Dr Raybun (a very nice
> > lady I'm sure) has been converted by you. Then you can come across Wilmer
> > Wise, who does't make any claims for himself, posts in a restrained and
> > helpful manner and who was described by Leonard Bernstein as "a genius of a
> > 1st trumpet player".
> >
> >>on the flugelhorn we are where we need to be, there is no flugelhorn player
> >>that can make that horn sound better than we are making it sound, period,we
> >>are told this everywhere we go, we dont make that claim on the trumpet ,
> > but >on that flugel, listen to our sound and our sound will HUMBLE you.Our
> >>trumpet sound is improving and we plan to make some more changes, we are
> >>almost there .
> >
My cousin, Terrance Thomas, who lives in Los Angeles Cali. plays guitar for
Barry White on tour dates!
And remember....The toads march off to war at noon.
> Professional :"Relating to, engaged in ot suitable for a profession
,ingaged
> in a specific activity as a source of livelihood, performed by persons
> receiving pay, having great skill in a praticulr field or activity, a
person
> following a profession, on who has assured competence in a particular
field.
Thanks for the definition, I wouldn't have known what the word profeesional
meant :-). So if your into giving me definitions of the words how about the
words "ot, ingaged and pratciulr".
> We are PAID for what we do, what we do involves a lot of MONEY, we are
> engaged in playing the trumpet for money, but money is NOT why we play,
>we play for MINISTRY, not MONEY, we receive monies from many >sources,
donations, love offerings, honorariums, performance fees, studio
>fees,sales, mec lic, etc.
>
Well done, you've got it cracked because that's what we all wanted when we
went to music college, to make lots of money making music (the ministry
thing is a matter of choice, certainly not mine).
> Our focus is MINISTRY, most of our ministry is on sunday, but we have had
>at one time or another a gig on every day of the week.
This is where you have the rest of us beat as to make a living we don't need
a gig on every day of the week at some time or other, we need a gig as often
as we can, more than one on every day of the week if possible, because our
gigs aren't as well paid as yours obviously are.
> Well, come listen to us play, or wait untill we are on your radio this
fall,
> then you might have somthing to say about how I play.
I am from the UK and wouldn't find it easy to get to Georgia. Also as yet
the only religious music that is on the radio is classical stuff we don't
seem to have developed your taste for religion. It does appear that we
might have to suffer it one day as on the satellite channels we now have a
"GOD" channel.
yours
Brian Jones
Anyone heard of him? Bob Jones, is that some kind of Julliard of the South? Is
that school even accredited?
Dave Lee, J.D.
----------
In article <20000815164629...@ng-fg1.aol.com>, tray...@aol.com
(Trayne102) wrote:
>>From: "Brian Jones"
>
>>I think you'll find I didn't run and hide when you you told Trayne 102 on
>>the group to double tongue by saying "ded dih gee". Double tonguing is
>>fairly easy "trumpet tech stuff" to be getting wrong.
>
> Brian,
> I didn't bother to even respond to Dr. Schmidt and his sarcastic lesson on how
> to double tongue. I thought it was funny that he couldn't even tell me how
to
> double tongue, but rather how to triple tongue!
Trayne, it is the same method, but since you want specifics and details ,
leave the middle sylible out, think of teh keh, deh geh, etc, depending on
WHERE your tongue is when you are starting and where it is when you finish,
we do not all use the exact same sylibles, but the same methods apply, your
tougue should be hitting your lips, keep your tongue forward in your mouth,
your tongue touches your lips like when you are spitting.dont arch the
tongue, bring it firward.
> I'm sure I can out "tongue"
> the "Dr." any day of the week, I was just trying to joke about how well the
> "man" double talks.
Well, our ministry is no joke.
----------
>From: "Stuart Anthony Collidge" <scol...@bigpond.com>
In article <3Nkm5.31649$c5.8...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com>, "Stuart Anthony
Collidge" <scol...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> You, sir, are an arrogant idiot.
This is how you choose to win an argument, by insulting your opponent?
Solet me see here, if I do somthing DIFFERENT from you, or everyone else
in the whole world that makes me an idiot, well, I ain't buying into your
weak claim.
I am not afraid to try somthing new , to experiment, I sourced you a very
well respected former trumpet teacher of mine and you brush off his ideas
without even trying them, I tried them, they work, and if you listen to me
play , or better yet try them out for yourself , you will clearly see that
they work.
Michael
I have tried to stay away from this thread, BUT, I must disagree with the the
above statement.
The tongue must never touch the lips when multiple tongueing.
Try playing Scherazade or Alborada del Gracioso with this technique and I can
assure you that you wont be asked back.
Wilmer
----------
In article <20000816183211...@ng-cv1.aol.com>,
wwise...@aol.com (WWise72606) wrote:
> << WHERE your tongue is when you are starting and where it is when you finish,
> we do not all use the exact same sylibles, but the same methods apply, your
> tougue should be hitting your lips, keep your tongue forward in your mouth,
> your tongue touches your lips like when you are spitting.dont arch the
> tongue, bring it forward. >>
>
>
> I have tried to stay away from this thread, BUT, I must disagree with the the
> above statement.
> The tongue must never touch the lips when multiple tongueing.
Why not?
This is where I start my double and tripple tongueing and itx works well for
me, but you have to do what works for you, but do not put down others who
play differently than you do,that is not cool.
> Try playing Scherazade or Alborada del Gracioso with this technique
Well, that is not what I am into, I play only gospel music.
> and I can
> assure you that you wont be asked back.
Why not?
I dont want to get into another stupid chat, my playing is very good, and we
are always asked back.
Its getting the first invitation that is the hard part, so many kids want to
be the next Amy Grant , etc. that churches are flooded with requests for
outside soloist, and we get tossed in with all of those unless the music
minister has heard our music.
<
> Wilmer
----------
>From: OldTimer <plan...@upstream.net>
In article <MPG.14027c83...@news.us.dell.com>, OldTimer
<plan...@upstream.net> wrote:
> In article <8na9k9$3t0$1...@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>, fluge...@mindspring.com
> says...
>> > I don't need to hear you play to establish that as fact. Your
>> > attitude is enough for any of us, with or without good skill.
>> > Usually, intelligent people discover that the more they know,
>> > or the better they are at a given skill, the more there is to
>> > be learned. It is only the naive that think they know it all,
>> > or are the best at anything.
>> Randy,
>> Hey wait a min. buddy,
>> I never said that I know it all,
>> I do not know it all, but I serve someone who truly is omniscient, his name
>> is Jesus.
>> Michael
>
> Was it an accident, or intentional that you did not deny that
> you "are the best", but only that you never said that you knew
> it all?
I did not say that, keyboardist Michael P. Snyder said that comment in in
interview last year.
.
I am not the best trumpet player in the world, but on the flugelhorn, if
their is a way for a person to make the flugelhorn have a better tone than
the tone that I have, I dont know how.
We have been told that we are the best, I will let you decide, but untill
you have heard us, you don't have a say.
Michael
----------
In article <3999F0E5...@hotmail.com>, Jeff Wildman
<Jef...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, but have you ever played in MONTREAL?
Yes, in 1981 .
----------
>From: dave...@aol.comspamnot (Dave Lee)
In article <20000816084915...@ng-fd1.aol.com>,
dave...@aol.comspamnot (Dave Lee) wrote:
>>ormer well known soloist from Bob
>>Jones University , particularly
>
> Anyone heard of him? Bob Jones, is that some kind of Julliard of the South?
Dave, how can you not know about B.J.U. with all of the controversy that
happened when George W. Bush spoke in chapel there last year ( over B.J.U.'s
non interracial dating policy, which since that time has been revoked) Is
> that school even accredited?
No, although highly respected, with graduates who have accepted to grad
work at Yale, Harvard, Oxford, etc, B.J.U. by choice is not accredited.
With strong holdings,the country's best religious art gallery, finances and
faculty, without a doubt they could become accredited if they wanted to.
Michael
> Dave Lee, J.D.
----------
>From: dave...@aol.comspamnot (Dave Lee)
In article <20000812162824...@ng-co1.aol.com>,
dave...@aol.comspamnot (Dave Lee) wrote:
>>When I played Harry's horn his mouthpiece was gone, but it was very small,
>
> So, now you have access to Harry James horn?!?
That is a true statement, sort of.
A very kind elderly man named Charles Gorby from Charleston W.V. owns that
horn, and yes, he heard me play and invited me to play Harry's horn, what an
honor.
You are talented my man,
What does that have to do with talent?
Call Gorby up yourself if you dont believe me.
Michael
with
> every post you amaze me. It seems there is no end to it.
> Dave Lee, J.D.
----------
>From: dave...@aol.comspamnot (Dave Lee)
In article <20000812162607...@ng-co1.aol.com>,
dave...@aol.comspamnot (Dave Lee) wrote:
>>Dave, yet it ,he is the same guy,
>>Richard was my 7'th and 8'th grade locker partner.
>
> The same Richard Jewel?!?! You know something, it's my guess you are just one
> talented bullshitter
Well, why don't you phone Trickum Middle School in Lilburn Georgia , or
Richard in Jackson county ( where I think he is these days,Im not sure) and
verify that we were in school together.
Now think about this, Richard and I are one years apart in age, we went to
the same school, had the same classes together, why is it so hard to believe
that Richard was the one that started me on the trumpet, research the
Trickum middle school records and you will find out that Richard was in
band, and so was I, I have richards signature in my annual to prove it.
Michaelthat is having one hell of a time with this thread.
Research, get the facts before you falsely accuse me of not telling the
truth.Research this ,or we will all know that you are shallow, just running
your mouth, but unwilling to get to the truth.
Michael
> Dave Lee, J.D.
> >ormer well known soloist from Bob
> >Jones University , particularly
>
> Anyone heard of him? Bob Jones, is that some kind of Julliard of the South?
> Is
> that school even accredited?
> Dave Lee, J.D.
David,
Bob Jones is a fine university. What you say between you and Michael is your
business, but please do not discredit the institutions for no real reason.
Thanks,
AL
----------
>From: dave...@aol.comspamnot (Dave Lee)
In article <20000812143718...@ng-cp1.aol.com>,
dave...@aol.comspamnot (Dave Lee) wrote:
>> P.P.S. Learn how to type.
>>Wish I could, I can not type at all, sorry
>
> And you have a Doctorate........sheesh, what other degrees does that school
> offer. Can I get one by voice mail??
Lee, that comment was unmittigated.
It was rude, you are being unfair tome and to my University .
You owe me an appology.
> Dave Lee, J.D.
----------
>From: "Brian Jones" <br...@trumpetman.fsnet.co.uk>
In article <8ndn5i$4ef$1...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Brian Jones"
<br...@trumpetman.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> Hello Michael
>
>> Professional :"Relating to, engaged in ot suitable for a profession
> ,ingaged
>> in a specific activity as a source of livelihood, performed by persons
>> receiving pay, having great skill in a praticulr field or activity, a
> person
>> following a profession, on who has assured competence in a particular
> field.
>
> Thanks for the definition, I wouldn't have known what the word profeesional
> meant :-). So if your into giving me definitions of the words how about the
> words "ot, ingaged and pratciulr".
Sorry, I sure am NOT a professional typist!!!!!!!
>
>> We are PAID for what we do, what we do involves a lot of MONEY, we are
>> engaged in playing the trumpet for money, but money is NOT why we play,
>>we play for MINISTRY, not MONEY, we receive monies from many >sources,
> donations, love offerings, honorariums, performance fees, studio
>>fees,sales, mec lic, etc.
>>
> Well done, you've got it cracked because that's what we all wanted when we
> went to music college, to make lots of money making music (the ministry
> thing is a matter of choice, certainly not mine).
I disagree, ministry aside , we also do it for the music, for the kids, and
to promote band.
I would put it in this order.
The Lord
My Family
My Church ( we are comitted to our local church first)
People (fans, those who we minister to or for)
Band kids , corps kids, etc.
Money
Money is last on the list
>
>> Our focus is MINISTRY, most of our ministry is on sunday, but we have had
>>at one time or another a gig on every day of the week.
>
> This is where you have the rest of us beat as to make a living we don't need
> a gig on every day of the week at some time or other, we need a gig as often
> as we can, more than one on every day of the week if possible, because our
> gigs aren't as well paid as yours obviously are.
I think what you are doing is great, there are many things like having a
good agent that can help you get more gigs.
>
>> Well, come listen to us play, or wait untill we are on your radio this
> fall,
>> then you might have somthing to say about how I play.
>
> I am from the UK and wouldn't find it easy to get to Georgia.
Our music will be on the radio in the u.k. this fall, Im not sure where or
when or what stations, but our music will be sent to many stations over
there this fall.
We also hope to have a web sight later this fall where you can order our
c.d..
Also as yet
> the only religious music that is on the radio is classical stuff we don't
> seem to have developed your taste for religion.
We are releaseing a song called "Butterfly Kisses " that is sort of a
crossover song and we hope that the secular stations will give it some
airplay.
> It does appear that we
> might have to suffer it one day as on the satellite channels we now have a
> "GOD" channel.
Ha!!!!!
> yours
> Brian Jones
Michael
>
>
Quoting Wilmer Wise:
>> The tongue must never touch the lips when multiple tongueing.
>Why not?
>This is where I start my double and tripple tongueing and itx works well for
>me, but you have to do what works for you, but do not put down others who
>play differently than you do,that is not cool.
>I dont want to get into another stupid chat, my playing is very good, and we
>are always asked back.
>Its getting the first invitation that is the hard part, so many kids want to
>be the next Amy Grant , etc. that churches are flooded with requests for
>outside soloist, and we get tossed in with all of those unless the music
>minister has heard our music.
><
Michael, YOU ARE AN _SS!!!!!!!!
You're questioning Mr. Wise? You have got to be the most IDIOTIC, ARROGANT,
FOOL I have ever met! You are so naive! Do you have any idea of who Mr. Wise
is?
No wonder Wilmer didn't want to respond to this thread! He responded to it
because he doesn't want younger aspiring trumpet players to read your tonguing
suggestions as if they were the gospel, and try them. Your technic besides
being different is incorrect, and will definately inhibit fast, clean, accurate
articulation.
To requote your stupid remarks:
>but do not put down others who
>play differently than you do,that is not cool.
Mr. Wise did not put you down! You'll never be a Wilmer Wise.
Trayne
I tried at first to stay out of this and then like a fool succumbed. I
should have realised that this guy is the man, and that everyone else is
rubbish in comparison to the greatest flugel player on earth. Heavens, he
has even converted Dr Raybun from some small town in Georgia to his way of
thinking. OK I'm sorry, I'll turn off the irony right now.
In all seriousness I would like to urge you to keep posting when he keeps
making potentially injurious statements and don't get hacked off when he
rubbishes you in return. Some people on the ng might be impressionable
enough to try what he suggests. When he gets you down remember what my
first trumpet teacher (a rather salty ex marine bandsman) used to say "never
have a battle of wits with an unarmed man".
yours
Brian Jones
Wilmer said in reply to a post from Dr Schmidt saying that the tongue should
touch the lips when you double tongue:-
>
> I have tried to stay away from this thread, BUT, I must disagree with the
>the above statement. The tongue must never touch the lips when multiple
>tongueing. Try playing Scherazade or Alborada del Gracioso with this
technique and I can assure you that you wont be asked back.
> Wilmer
So, one individual said it, that means it's true? Or, rather, just his
opinion??
>I am not the best trumpet player in the world, but on the flugelhorn, if
>their is a way for a person to make the flugelhorn have a better tone than
>the tone that I have, I dont know how.
What a pompous ass.
Dave Lee, J.D.
Well, if you read my post, I don't see where I discredited anything. My point
was to establish the fact, if it exists, as to the University as a musical
establishment. If so, please tell, since I am not aware that Bob Jones is known
for it's music program, ie. Julliard, or the Boston Conservatory. And as for
the accreditation, I was pretty confident that Bob Jones was not accredited,
therefore I asked, and it was confirmed by the Dr. When referencing a
university, accreditation is a factor.
And yes, Dr., I have heard of Bob Jones, but that is the extent of my knowledge
of it. I was looking more for some information as to the music program, since
you referenced a soloist.
Al, please don't read more into my post than what I write. I think I'm
reasonably clear. If I intend to disparage something, it will be evident.
Dave Lee, J.D.
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In article <20000817101806...@ng-fs1.aol.com>,
dave...@aol.comspamnot (Dave Lee) wrote:
> Apology?? For what? For pointing out that your posts are riddled with careless
> errors? It's not the typing, I'm a 2-3 finger slob myself. I re-read and
> correct, at least the gross errors.
Sorry, i guess you figured out that I dont even look at them, I type and
move on, I am very busy,besides, I will never impress you with my typing
skills.
> My sarcasm was to point out the fact that
> you certainly would not submit work like that at a graduate or professional
> level, would you?
No way, this newsgroup is nothing like my grad or post grad work, this is
sort of a hobby, I do this for fun, not to impress you, I would never type
one of my term papers, no way, c - city .(I like a's, that is why all of my
papers were professionally done.)
> Of course not. Yet you expect the people of this newsgroup to
> read it and not question some of them? It is not expected for everyone to
post
> information that is error free, but coming from someone with an advanced
> degree, I feel it is un- called for. You accuse me of disparaging your
> institution, but you do it with every post.
Well, like I said, this is for fun, I do not take this seriously like I
would a dissertation, sorry.
Michael
> Dave Lee, J.D.
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In article <20000817094458...@ng-fd1.aol.com>,
dave...@aol.comspamnot (Dave Lee) wrote:
>>Bob Jones is a fine university. What you say between you and Michael is your
>>
>>business, but please do not discredit the institutions for no real reason.
>>
>
> Well, if you read my post, I don't see where I discredited anything. My point
> was to establish the fact, if it exists, as to the University as a musical
> establishment. If so, please tell, since I am not aware that Bob Jones is
known
> for it's music program, ie. Julliard, or the Boston Conservatory.
Well, I would not place B.J.U.'s music department on that level, but for a
Christian University, their musis department is very good.
> And as for
> the accreditation, I was pretty confident that Bob Jones was not accredited,
> therefore I asked, and it was confirmed by the Dr. When referencing a
> university, accreditation is a factor.
A factor for what, many schools offer accredited degrees , but not many
schools produce the quality of graduates that B.J.U. does.(By the way, I am
not a B.J.U. grad)
>
> And yes, Dr., I have heard of Bob Jones, but that is the extent of my
knowledge
> of it. I was looking more for some information as to the music program, since
> you referenced a soloist.
They have a very fine reputation, and so does Hartlin Cruver, who is a
follower of Schilingers philosophy of music theory..
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In article <20000817093518...@ng-fd1.aol.com>,
dave...@aol.comspamnot (Dave Lee) wrote:
>>> Was it an accident, or intentional that you did not deny that
>>> you "are the best", but only that you never said that you knew
>>> it all?
>>I did not say that, keyboardist Michael P. Snyder said that comment in in
>>interview last year.
>
> So, one individual said it, that means it's true? Or, rather, just his
> opinion??
In order to know that you need to listen to our music for yourself, untill
you do you will NEVER know now will you?
>
>>I am not the best trumpet player in the world, but on the flugelhorn, if
>>their is a way for a person to make the flugelhorn have a better tone than
>>the tone that I have, I dont know how.
>
> What a pompous ass.
Why, that was a very truthful statement, everywhere we go we are told how
well the flugelhorn playing is even by professional trumpet players like
John Faul and John Darby, who bothplayed trumpet on the road for years, and
who both commented to me how much they like my flugelhorns sound.The
flugelhorn gets comliments at least 10-1 over the trumpet .
Michael
>
>
> Dave Lee, J.D.
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In article <8nggel$4p7$1...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Brian Jones"
<br...@trumpetman.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> Hello Wilmer
>
> I tried at first to stay out of this and then like a fool succumbed. I
> should have realised that this guy is the man, and that everyone else is
> rubbish in comparison to the greatest flugel player on earth. Heavens, he
> has even converted Dr Raybun from some small town in Georgia
Well, Stone Mountain Georgia is not a small town, and first u m c of mtn
park is no small church either with an annual budget well over a mill a
year.
to his way of
> thinking.
Dr. Rayburn is from a liturgical - classical music background, OK I'm
sorry, I'll turn off the irony right now.
> In all seriousness I would like to urge you to keep posting when he keeps
> making potentially injurious statements and don't get hacked off when he
> rubbishes you in return. Some people on the ng might be impressionable
> enough to try what he suggests.
Why dont you for once try what I have posted, I follow no one particular
method or person, I do what works for me because I have tried many methods
out with many long hrs of practicing.
> When he gets you down remember what my
> first trumpet teacher (a rather salty ex marine bandsman) used to say "never
> have a battle of wits with an unarmed man".
Well, you only think so because you have not heard me play yet., you dont
know, you know nothing about the way that I sound.
First I must apologize to the group because I didn't want to extend this
thread or indeed any conversation with you so this will be my last post.
In reply to a thread regarding the touching of lips with the tongue when
tonguing:
> Why don't you for once try what I have posted, I follow no one particular
> method or person, I do what works for me because I have tried many
> methods out with many long hrs of practicing.
You posts are so jumbled I don't know if you are aiming this at me or you
are really dumb and are aiming it at Wilmer. If it is me then I don't feel
a need to try out anything you say. Whilst I love the trumpet, for me it
has been a tool with which to earn a living. I am the same age as you and
have earned my living from the trumpet since leaving music college in '85 -
yes I too have practiced a few hours in my time. I have played, then
latterly played and taught. I have a small mortgage on my house, have two
brand new cars outside the front door, a five figure sum in the bank (pounds
sterling) and, mortgage apart, owe nobody anything. I realize that this
isn't the huge $ your ministry takes and I'm totally unknown in Stone
Mountain Georgia, but I'm comfortable to be a hack trumpet player, my
trumpet playing is OK and certainly not in need of your help, although
Wilmer's I'd pay for handsomely.
If you are suggesting Wilmer needs your help you've totally lost your sense
of perspective. Whilst you are well received in Stone Mountain, he's
successful in New York.
> Dr. Rayburn is from a liturgical - classical music background,
Whilst you made a good impression on Dr Raybun, Wilmer was praised by such
as Bernstein, (he had a fairly decent classical music background too :-)))
You tell people that they too will be converted to your view of your
own ability when they hear your soon to be released CD. Well you can hear
Wilmer on countless recordings and television performances, not just the
one, in all styles from All Star recordings of West Side Story, to classical
to Village People.
To put it into perspective, you are looking to release a CD that will
impress the trumpet community at the age of 37, Wilmer played a solo
concerto with the Philadelphia Orchestra whilst a teenager. In short he is
undoubtedly one of the finest players of his generation.
yours
Brian Jones
>Well, you only think so because you have not heard me play yet., you dont
know, you know nothing about the way that I sound.
Are you inferring that you are a better player than Wilmer Wise?
PaulW
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