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First chair vs. Lead trumpet

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Jim Selegean

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Feb 9, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/9/96
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Are first trumpet and lead trumpet the same person in a jazz band? If
not, which one is the better trumpet player? I've noticed in Maynard's
band that there is often a lead trumpet, in addition to Maynard.

Any clarification on this would be appreciated.

Jim Selegean
<jsel...@great-lakes.net>


Leigh Gardner

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Feb 11, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/11/96
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Jim Selegean (jsel...@cedar.cic.net) wrote:
: Are first trumpet and lead trumpet the same person in a jazz band? If

: Jim Selegean
: <jsel...@great-lakes.net>

They're usually the same person, but some charts are written with the 2nd
or third player in mind as the trumpet that stands out the most. Lead,
however, usually refers to the horn that can be heard above all else and
has to keep the band and the section together- usually a first player who
plays screamin' high notes.
Hope this helps.
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Ir. Erich Kohlhöfer, South Africa

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Feb 12, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/12/96
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jsel...@cedar.cic.net (Jim Selegean) wrote:
>Are first trumpet and lead trumpet the same person in a jazz band? If
>not, which one is the better trumpet player? I've noticed in Maynard's
>band that there is often a lead trumpet, in addition to Maynard.
>
>Any clarification on this would be appreciated.
>
>Jim Selegean
><jsel...@great-lakes.net>
>
In a big jazz band, the lead trumpeter is usually the second trumpet.
This is what I am used to anyway. The lead trumpeter is also the soloist,
and he needs a very competent player to lead the trumpets, he cannot do
this as well.

Erich


Hal Forman

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Feb 12, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/12/96
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In article <4ffk2b$g...@news.cic.net>, jsel...@cedar.cic.net (Jim Selegean) says:
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>Are first trumpet and lead trumpet the same person in a jazz band?

Yes.

Dr. Carl Levoguer

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Feb 12, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/12/96
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lgar...@force.stwing.upenn.edu (Leigh Gardner) wrote:
>Jim Selegean (jsel...@cedar.cic.net) wrote:
>: Are first trumpet and lead trumpet the same person in a jazz band? If
>: not, which one is the better trumpet player? I've noticed in Maynard's
>: band that there is often a lead trumpet, in addition to Maynard.
>
>: Any clarification on this would be appreciated.
>
>: Jim Selegean
>: <jsel...@great-lakes.net>

A lead trupet player is just that, he leads the section in terms of
phrasing, dynamics etc. Quite often many big bands have a guy (usually on
5th trumpet) to stick the odd 'spare' note on at the end of a piece and
maybe do a couple of highnote showcase pieces.
As maynard himself will tell you he was NEVER a lead trumpet player -
when he was with Kenton it was Buddy Childers on lead and Maynard just
did the pyrotechnics stuff - and similarly in the studio orchestras he
played in.

C.

mmckie

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Feb 13, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/13/96
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jsel...@cedar.cic.net (Jim Selegean) wrote:
>Are first trumpet and lead trumpet the same person in a jazz band? If
>not, which one is the better trumpet player? I've noticed in Maynard's
>band that there is often a lead trumpet, in addition to Maynard.
>
>Any clarification on this would be appreciated.
>
>Jim Selegean
><jsel...@great-lakes.net>
>

In this case, Maynard is not called first or lead (which mean basically
the same thing)....he's just the star. Typically, the first/lead trumpet
player burns his chops playing the top line all night and the 2nd trumpet
player takes all the solos (2nd trumpet is the best book, dude). As for
who's the best, it depends on what your into. Also make sure you get
some time in listening to Dizzy, Wynton, Kenny Dorham, Lee Morgan,
Freddie Hubbard, Clifford Brown, Fats Navarro and a zillion other guys
that play something besides high notes..... In other words...it doesn't
really matter who's best in Maynard's band cause it's only one band and
it depends on what your looking for. And that you keep looking for it in
a wide variety of artists.

mmckie

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Feb 13, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/13/96
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mmckie

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