lead trumpet mouthpeice?
Joe Scott
and G's with my Bach 3c. Is there a different type of mouthpeice I could
try?
Michael Eichenberger
Try a Shilke, it's up to you what size. The Bachs are more for
Classical music. You'll wear your lip out if you keep on playing with
that thing.
Mike
Kenneth Goldshine
I take exception to your claims that Bach MP's are strictly for
"classical music". You can purchase any combination of rim/cup/backbore
and other personal requirements that you can conceive of in a Bach MP.
(also their trumpets)
The only difference is that Bach doesnt make claims of instant range
improvement,"sizzle,pop scream"etc. just a good honest product at a
reasonable price.Nor have I noticed them using prominent players to
endorse their product.One of worlds greatest cuban trumpet players
(triple pedal C to triplehigh C+ consistently) plays on a stock Bach 3C.
Good luck and work hard.Ken
(I also know a local player who plays a consistent double C on a
Bach 11/2C.)
Aaron Arnold
mouthpieces are more strictly classical. At any rate, the Bach 3C was
specifically designed for a lead player whose name slips my mind at the
moment. There's no reson to move away from the 3C. If you're already
hitting soid high E's in high school, what the heck are you worried
about? My trumpet teacher spent a few days with Doc Severinson at the
ITG Conference a couple of years ago and Doc said something very
interesting: to have a shot at career in trumpet playing, a high school
student needs only a solid high C, no higher. Range is something that
comes with time. In high school, other things like sound production and
tone quality should probably be of a higher priority than range. Best
of luck...try sticking it out with the 3C for now.
Aaron Arnold
Michael Eichenberger
bands that I have played in use a Bach for lead playing. But that's cool
that some people do.
Mike
JRSmoots
it was an old Mt. Vernon Bach 3C with a #25 throat, rather than the
current stock #27 throat.
Kenneth Goldshine
You're probably right about the use of Bach mouthpieces.I don't play on a
Bach MP myself although I still have my New York Bach3C MP that I bought
new when I was much younger, but in order to play in big band sections,I
now play on a Shilke 14a4a with a screw on rim that is a copy of the
original NY 3C rim all done by Bob Reeves.I do play however next to one
lead player who has a consistent double C and plays on a Bach 3F.
James F. Boehner, MD
>
> > I play lead in jazz band in high school, but I have trouble hitting F's
> > and G's with my Bach 3c. Is there a different type of mouthpeice I could
> > try?
> >
> >
Hi Joe. I play a 3C for concert band and legit playing. I was
pleasantly surprised with the performance of a Stork Studio Master LD4
(very shallow cup) and LDS4 (shallow-medium cup) for Jazz/Musicals. The
rim is roughly equivalent to a Bach 3. The difference between this
mouthpiece and others is that the shank is shorter. If you have an
opportunity, give them a try!
Jim
> >
Franklin Wade
: I must concur on this point. If anything, I would say Schilke
: specifically designed for a lead player whose name slips my mind at the
: moment. There's no reson to move away from the 3C. If you're already
: hitting soid high E's in high school, what the heck are you worried
: about? My trumpet teacher spent a few days with Doc Severinson at the
For playing lead trumpet, a Bach 3c is not that great a choice. It is too
deep and it has that toliet bowl shape. Most Bach mouthpieces have this
toliet bowl shape. You just can't cut through a band with that kind of
mouthpiece, it sounds too tubby. Schilke makes some good lead mouthpieces
such as the 13a4A. The cup is v-shaped and very shallow. You can't play
any higher with this kind of mouthpiece but you will last longer and you
won't have to blow your brains out to be heard above the rest of the band.
-Franklin
Shmuk007
for what the backbore does to the feel and the sound. A Schilke "A"
backbore is characterized by a flare right at the end of the shank,
inside, that you can easily see. This helps get some (a lot!) sizzle in
the sound, but you may not go for something like that. I hate the
lazer-tone, bore-a-hole-through-your-forehead kind of sound. A bigger,
fatter tone with *some* brightness is easier to produce, cuts well through
the mush, and sounds great. A Stork Studio Master Series mouthpiece was my
mainstay for a while. Great sound, ease of playing, and a good endurance.
The one I played was a VMS10 with a 24 throat.
Anyway, I hope this helps!
Brad
Shmu...@aol.com
Gary Persons
(Franklin Wade), the following was written:
In all this discussion, there has been no mention of Marcinkiewicz. I
used to play on a Bach 1 1/2 C, but a teacher recommended that since I
don't play full time anymore, that I play on a smaller mouthpiece. I
have three Marcinkiewicz mouthpieces: my main one is a model No. 9
(which is probably about the rim size of a Bach 7C) and I have a
"high-note-end-of-the-night-emergency" Joe Marcinkiewicz model. I also
have a flugel that matches the Model 9.
Comments?
Shmuk007
evaluations, are these:
1) Very cool, comfortable rim for a lot of people. I know some players who
use the flugel mouthpieces especially and get a great sound from them.
2) They are a good way of introducing a student/ younger player into the
realm of smaller mouthpieces to cover jazz/pep/marching band duties. The
rim is what helps a potentially cumbersome transistion!
3) I have heard that Bobby Shew will offer a certain size/model for a
student and he will match the needs dead on with that person, offering
more range and other good stuff.
4) All the lead players I have heard, even some who I greatly admire, that
play the Shew or Baptist or whatever model get an extremely bright and
sizzling tone (lazer tone--- Nooooooo!). While the player may sound
fabulous on the music they are playing, I can't stand that high-end
harshness. IMHO
Brad
Shmu...@aol.com
Greg Grooms
> In all this discussion, there has been no mention of Marcinkiewicz. I
> used to play on a Bach 1 1/2 C, but a teacher recommended that since I
> don't play full time anymore, that I play on a smaller mouthpiece. I
> have three Marcinkiewicz mouthpieces: my main one is a model No. 9
> (which is probably about the rim size of a Bach 7C) and I have a
> "high-note-end-of-the-night-emergency" Joe Marcinkiewicz model. I also
> have a flugel that matches the Model 9.
>
> Comments?
I like Marcinkiewicz MPs. I play a 9 also, but it is really too small a
rim diameter for me. I also play a Bach 1 1/4C with a 22 throat. I'm
looking for a Marcinkiewicz model closer to the 1 1/4C, but shallower,
with a V cup.
Gary Persons
(Shmuk007), the following was written:
> Everything I've heard about Marcinkiewicz mouthpieces, and from my own
> evaluations, are these:
>
> 1) Very cool, comfortable rim for a lot of people. I know some players
> who use the flugel mouthpieces especially and get a great sound from
> them.
I like my flugel sound - but I always ascribed it to the old Getzen that
I play (1968 Eterna)
>
> 2) They are a good way of introducing a student/ younger player into
> the realm of smaller mouthpieces to cover jazz/pep/marching band
> duties. The rim is what helps a potentially cumbersome transistion!
>
Perhaps - I had played a Bach 1 1/2 C for years, then didn't play at all
for years. My teach suggested that I try the Marcinkiewicz. He had the
entire set, and we worked to find one that worked.
> 3) I have heard that Bobby Shew will offer a certain size/model for a
> student and he will match the needs dead on with that person, offering
> more range and other good stuff.
>
Ooops! That was my teacher! When I studied with Bobby, we spent a lot
of time on breathing and tone production (I was in my 30's at the time -
not a kid any more - and I had played since I was 9 or 10)
> 4) All the lead players I have heard, even some who I greatly admire,
> that play the Shew or Baptist or whatever model get an extremely
> bright and sizzling tone (lazer tone--- Nooooooo!). While the player
> may sound fabulous on the music they are playing, I can't stand that
> high-end harshness. IMHO
No - I didn't like the Shew model, but I'm not a lead player. I'm a
former "classical, get the dark sound" player who improvises well, and
fell in love with small group playing. If I'm in a Big Band, I usually
play 3rd or 4th, and get to do the solos.
Take care
Shawn Mc Clintic
to a D above double high C. Try it.
David Buxton
>I play on a Bach 1X for all of my lead parts. i can comfortably get up
>to a D above double high C. Try it.
This is a large rim diameter mp.
Bach literature describes the 1X to have a 17mm rim and a deep cup. It
is described as a pre-1970 (old style) No.1. with slightly smaller cup
and wider rim than the present model [Looks like they are refering to the
Flugal Horn Bach 1 model for comparison].
A Schilke 14 claims a 17.02 rim. A Schilke 14D would have a deep cup,
but no such thing in the booklet. A 17D4 or a 17D4d might be worth
trying if you want to see what a Bach 1X is like.
These are large diameter mouth pieces for the orchestra player who wants
a superb tone down to the bottom as well as better tone up to the top.
Not a jazz players mouth piece at all. Getting way up there, as Shawn
claims to do, will be more difficult on such a large mouth piece. For
Shawn to be able to get that high says a lot for his ability to play the
trumpet. And I'll bet his tone is superb.
Phil Aucutt
an E3. I play on a 1-5B, and I love it, but for the upper register I
just am not cutting it. I have rather thick lips, so I need a bigger
mouthpiece. I have tried all of the others...Stork, Bach, Monette, and
Schilke, and I love theirs the best,
Russ Button
I have better center of pitch and overall control. I like to think
my upper register is stronger as well. The particular model I play
isn't important. You should try out ANY mouthpiece before you buy
it and see what works for YOU.
Russ Button
The No Fault Big Band
"AKA - 18 guys with day jobs"
http://www.button.com/Russ/big_band.html