Shaving or filing teeth to play high notes
johnkool
to enable them to play higher.
Apparently to get a little wedge of an opening when the teeth are nearly
closed.
Sounds frightening to me, and kind of like drilling a mouthpiece. The only
way to know if you have gone too far is to go to far.
Kind of like seeing how fast you can drive over a hill before coming
airborn. The only way to know is to become air born.
But I have heard of pianists (say that carefully) who have surgery to their
hands to enable more independent motion between 4th and 5th fingers, so I
suppose "shaving teeth is possible"
And no, I don't mean shaving the tongue after a drinking binge, or any other
non-trumpet related connotation.
Has anybody on the list done this?
Why?
Did it work?
How much did it cost?
Was it worth it for a few high notes?
William Graham
$100....
I've got all bridgework on my front uppers, and whenever I
need it replaced, I make sure that the tech leaves some
space between the two front uppers for my air supply. - I
never thought that it helped high notes, however. - What it
does for me is just make it easier to get used to the new
embouchure that I will have to work with after they get
glued in. I think that if I didn't have that airspace I
would still be able to play just as well, but it would take
me about 6 months to get used to supplying my air via some
other path, and I don't want to have to put up with that.
You can find good pro trumpet players that have all kinds of
teeth, and a lot of them have no air space between their
fronts, but still play high notes real well, so it's just a
matter of getting used to whatever equipment that God gave
you!
johnkool <john...@novia.net> wrote in message
news:B72B0ECA.E633%john...@novia.net...
Larry Smithee
Larry Smithee
MWB1JR
dentist about this procedure. He would charge me $200 to file and cap my front
inscissors(sp?). But when I talked to my teacher about this, he told me your
entire approach to playing the trumpet will change. So, it'll either help a
lot or really screw you up. I have a couple of close-up posters in my room of
Arturo Sandoval, Maynard, Byron Stripling, Allen Vizzutti and Jon Faddis.
Which exception to faddis, the other guys seem to have evenly leveled front
teeth. Most people have what I like to call "rabbit teeth", when the middle
two inscissors are longer than the rest of your teeth. My teeth are like that,
and I think about filing my teeth all the time. Before you sit down in the
chair and get the expensive work done, you must say this to yourself, "Would I
be better off practicing to get better or drilling/filing my teeth to get
better?". The first answer to pop into your head is normally the right answer.
Talk more with your private teacher or give Al, Tim, "Pops" and Mike an email.
Good luck in whatever you decide!
Michael Bookman, Jr.
John Kool
There is no decision to make. I won't be filing my teeth.
I just wanted to understand the process.
But thanks for the response.
Josh
trumpets and legendary horn players on their inscisors!
Josh
"johnkool" <john...@novia.net> wrote in message
news:B72B0ECA.E633%john...@novia.net...
William Graham
raw brass....
Josh <lubc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:a2AN6.1688$k23.8...@typhoon2.ba-dsg.net...
Leo Alleman
waiting for it to get discussed in this newsgroup.
Now it finally did.
The most natural or so called talented trumpetplayers I know
around her have rather short front teeth and above that
more leveled, than the "rabbit teeth" Bookman speaks about.
My idea was that with long front teeth, when you use a little to
much pressure the upper lip wil be pressed to the teeth and will
stop vibrating.
So shorter upper front teeth will give your lip more space to vibrate.
Using pressure is not the correct way to play, I know that.
But I rather be playing with a little pressure than not playing at all.
(read: making a sound, especially in high register)
The one reason that I did not do the surgery is that I don't exactly
know what the consequences will be like.
If it would be a scientifically certainity I would do it.
I hope to read some postings from those who actually did it.
And how they benifited from it or didn't
Leo
qwerty
William Graham
qwerty <em...@isp.com> wrote in message
news:email-19050...@enews.newsguy.com...
DHoff56012
>Larry Smithee
>
Beginning to? :)
David
Steven J. Ross
Best Wishes, Steve Ross
"qwerty" <em...@isp.com> wrote in message
news:email-19050...@enews.newsguy.com...
MWB1JR
johnkool
at we...@home.com wrote on 5/20/01 12:04 AM:
If I had all my teeth extracted, could I play like Chet Baker?
William Graham
> If I had all my teeth extracted, could I play like Chet
Baker?
As a mathematician, I'd say that would be necessary, but not
sufficient....
>
Robert DeSavage
I find the entire thread to be really funny. Guys are talking about
having their teeth filed, a procedure that will cost them big bucks
and I'm wondering how I'm going to pay my oral surgeon to have all my
teeth yanked due to the hazards of getting on in life. Good luck to
all of us. It couldn't happen any place other than America. 8-)
BOB
Kirk Reeves
not do anything unnecessary to your teeth. I have hared of
actor who for a part had their teeth filed. Afterward,
despite $100,'s of dollars of replacement surgery the teeth
were so badly damaged they couldn't be saved.
Now a rumor about a trumpet player. This is only a rumor so
I can't verify it.
Maynard Fersonson was having his teeth capped and so the
dentist had them filed so they could be properly capped. A
trumpet player was wondering if there was something special
about Maenad's mouth that allow him to play so high. He saw
his teeth and concluded that was the reason. So he had his
own teeth filed down and when he met Maynard again he
explain what he done. Of course Maynard was shock someone
would go through so much trouble and he explain his teeth
were filed so they could be capped. Not for playing the
high note. Needless to say, this would be high note player
was very unhappy and what was worse lost any playing ability
he had by messing with his mouth. SO don't do it.
johnkool
alleg...@mediaone.net wrote on 5/20/01 8:03 PM:
I believe a legitimate question denigrated into a joke.
Please don't take most of these posts seriously.
In fact, I started the thread, because I was incredulous that someone would
do this.
But the replies I got showed most people did not read the meassage I posted
and think I am considering the procedure when nothing could be further from
the truth.
so, instead, we have been having a little fun.
The no teeth/Chet Baker was my contribution to the humor the thread
degenerated into.
j...@shout.nospam4me.net
reduce his bottom teeth cutting into his lip. I think he may have also
had some work done to one hand (to correct a heavy problem with
tendonitis).
I should also say that none of this has had a positive impact on his
playing.
- jeff
JWorleyjr
more than altering your teeth. Mike Vax told me he didn't play his first
double C till he had been playing 20 years. I didn't have one till 97. And
that was after playing for 32 years. At times I could play higher but I know I
wasn't playing correctly. I had to sit down and figure out the "knack" of how
to produce it and it finally came. I'm still no "screamer" but it's there. By
the way, I like the idea of engraving yor incissors! LOL
John
Jeff Wildman
used to have between his front teeth was the key to playing high notes. The player
had a similar space created between his front teeth. The next time he met Maynard,
he proudly displayed the new gap that he'd acquired. However, since they had last
met, Maynard had had his front teeth capped and the space no longer existed.
Robert DeSavage
>in article f1qggt8q3o6lqv0qu...@4ax.com, Robert DeSavage at
>alleg...@mediaone.net wrote on 5/20/01 8:03 PM:
>
>> On 20 May 2001 12:05:04 -0500, johnkool <john...@novia.net> wrote:
>>
>>> in article wfIN6.32511$p33.6...@news1.sttls1.wa.home.com, William Graham
>>> at we...@home.com wrote on 5/20/01 12:04 AM:
>>>
>>>> No....Sell your teeth and buy a Sergei Nakariakov CD.....
>>>>
>>>> qwerty <em...@isp.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:email-19050...@enews.newsguy.com...
>>>>> Have your teeth extracted and get dentures fabricated
>>>> precisely as needed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> If I had all my teeth extracted, could I play like Chet Baker?
>>
>> I find the entire thread to be really funny. Guys are talking about
>> having their teeth filed, a procedure that will cost them big bucks
>> and I'm wondering how I'm going to pay my oral surgeon to have all my
>> teeth yanked due to the hazards of getting on in life. Good luck to
>> all of us. It couldn't happen any place other than America. 8-)
>>
>> BOB
>I believe a legitimate question denigrated into a joke.
>Please don't take most of these posts seriously.
>
>In fact, I started the thread, because I was incredulous that someone would
>do this.
>
Not a problem here. I kind of took it to heart where I read an article
about someone with the same disease that I have called scleroderma.
Basically, it involves the hardening of the bodily tissue where there
is no flexibility at all because calcium accumulates within the tissue
faster than the body can get rid of it. Essentially and put loosely, a
person with SD is turning into stone. Most often, it involves the face
and mouth, where the tissue becomes so non-pliable that eventually the
ability of movement such as opening and closing the mouth and chewing
becomes severely limited. As a remedy, teeth often have to be removed
to ensure a wider passage just to have an improved inlet for food. The
article told about this having to be done to this person, and is quite
common. While not as hasty in progression, I am little by little
becoming the same way. So, I was taken aback a little that someone
might actually have their teeth altered just to play higher, while
others have to have their teeth removed in order to just survive, no
less even think about playing trumpet, something I devoted much of my
life doing. It's a bit of envy, I assure you, but until such time as
this happens (MAYBE) to me, I'm going to make the best with what I
have. I guess we all have our priorities, so I say live and let live.
For most of my life, I thought I was invincible and above having an
illness. But it was a rude awakening that I hope that my brother and
sister trumpet players don't have to experience.
BOB
William Graham
many years, and then arthritis in the thumb joint of my left
hand made it impossible to play bar chords, and I had to
give it up. I took up the trumpet, but I have had teeth
problems twice during the last 10 years that set my playing
back about 6 months on two occasions. There are a number of
professional musicians that have had to change instruments
during their lifetimes because of disease or accident. It
behooves a young musician to study at least two unrelated
instruments, especially if he/she intends to make music
their profession. - Fortunately, in my case, music has
always been just a hobby, and switching instruments has been
a lot of fun in the long run. One of my favorite trumpeters,
Sergei Nakariakov, started out as a pianist and, due to an
accident that injured his left hand, he switched to the
trumpet. Fortunately for him, he was young enough so that he
became a world class trumpeter while still very young.
Robert DeSavage <alleg...@mediaone.net> wrote in message
Robert DeSavage
of the SD, I lost half of my right index finger due to poor
circulation and a severe infection. Naturally, it's the one I needed
most for trumpet playing. However, when the time comes that I finally
get my life in order, I just might take up trombone or vibes. Had my
good times and made and spent a lot of money from the trumpet, so not
all is lost. Maybe now I can have some real fun trying to please
myself instead of the pubic. That's what grand kids are for - to buy
them expensive trumpets and hope they do better than I did.
On Tue, 22 May 2001 01:56:41 GMT, "William Graham" <we...@home.com>
wrote:
John Kool
Indiana.....
plays cello after a car accident.
> From: "William Graham" <we...@home.com>
> Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster
> Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.trumpet
> Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 01:56:41 GMT
> Subject: Re: Shaving or filing teeth to play high notes
>
>
Jeff Wildman
trumpet playing never cease to amaze: filing teeth, magical tooth spaces,
special mouthpieces, double "C" lip balms etc.
Maynard Ferguson's story about the kid who got a space put in his teeth is a
classic example.
Robert DeSavage
wrote:
>It's interesting how this nonsense keeps staying around. All the myths about
>trumpet playing never cease to amaze: filing teeth, magical tooth spaces,
>special mouthpieces, double "C" lip balms etc.
>Maynard Ferguson's story about the kid who got a space put in his teeth is a
>classic example.
>
Way back in history, if I asked my dentist to do what some are doing
today, he'd more than likely kick me out of his office. 8-)
Bill Zalot
not?
Bill
"johnkool" <john...@novia.net> wrote in message
news:B72B0ECA.E633%john...@novia.net...
MWB1JR
screamed me, so I kicked him in the teeth out of frustration.
William Graham
MWB1JR <mwb...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20010524212218...@ng-ma1.aol.com...
Steven J. Ross
"William Graham" <we...@home.com> wrote in message
news:PhlP6.53934$p33.1...@news1.sttls1.wa.home.com...
TRPTSTOOGE
Tim Imlay
high, so he had it changed back (unfixed?).
Tim
"Bill Zalot" <bill...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:9ejjlh$erf$1...@slb6.atl.mindspring.net...
