Monette B15
Gordon Hudson
I was considering upsizing again to a larger mouthpiece.
I got hold of a second hand Monette mouthpiece marked B15
From the Monette web site:
B1-5 The shallowest of our B1 series mouthpieces, this model has a medium
bite to the rim and a medium cup depth, and allows the player to produce a
full and brilliant sound in all registers. Used by jazz recording artist and
composer Mark Isham.
However, the one I have says B15 not B1-5 and its very deep by my judgement.
I used to play a Bach 1 and it seems to be very similar in size although the
rim is slightly wider.
Its obviously an old mouthpiece amd has the number 14 at the end of the
heavy mass area bellow where it says B15
It plays well and if I decide to stick with it I will need to replace my Eb
mouthpiece as well for something thats a bit shallower.
However, as I am not sure what I have got here.
I dont know if it really is the same rim as a B1-5 or if the E1-5 would be
the same rim.
Any ideas?
Gordon
JoeGuy
with gold plated mouthpieces, endorsed by maynard ferguson, and wynton
marsallis. charging 2 bills a piece for them. after all, they were just
mouthpieces? does maynard ferguson sound any better on them than he did on a
jet tone in the 70's? i don't think so.
i bought a bach megatone for 50 bucks and had it goldplated at the
fleamarket to a very simialr effect. it's a 1 1/2 C; and i'm fine with it. i
also have a vintage jet tone studio, and two newer jet tones, a DS and an
MF, and neither make me sound like doc or maynard. i have a 30 year old al
cass mouthpiece, which, i still believe, was the only mouthpiece that truly
improves high range playing, and a couple standard getzen and bach 3c and 7c
mouthpieces.
i still play a 1974 getzen eterna severinsen, and recomend an eterna
classic, which is still in production, over any of the other "designer,"
horns. the only other new horn that has been of passing interest is the new
king pro models, which are, undoubtably, very good instruments.
i see monnette is producing a silver plated horn, and his products are
looking a lot more, "mainstream." also, i see getzen and kanstul making
horns similar to monnette's early raja and shark models. the lines are
becoming less discernable. i do believe dave monnette makes a good
instrument. but, i am still skeptical about the cost, and feel celebrity
endorsements can do alot to hike up price. whether you'll actually sound any
better is pretty much up to you.
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Dr. Trumpet
"Gordon Hudson" <gor...@usenet.hostroute.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Gordon,
The B1-5 you have is an STC 1, right?
Ok, is the 14 right at the stem, or farther up the mouthpiece toward the
rim. On mine, the throat numbers are put on the mouthpiece right at the
top of the stem, in the last of the slightly heavier mass. It looks
deeper than a Bach 1, but the reason for that is the cup is more
efficient that a Bach 1 cup. The cup does have a little shoulder, then
moves to a v-shape toward the throat. I have a 1-5 that I wish we could
compare with yours a little closer.
With 1-5 mouthpieces, the rim is the consistent thing, as well as the
cup. If the cup were to be shallower, Dave would mark it 1-5S.
Slightly deepened is 1-5 M, and really deep is the 1-5D, which is my
mouthpiece for all but the piccolo.
It may be too that there was an error made on that particular
mouthpiece. Wish I could compare mine with yours to help more.
The other thought that I have: the numbering system you describe and
the way it is put on the mouthpiece suggests the mouthpiece is very old,
at least 10 years old or more. Is the body like the current STC 1 or is
it more tulip shaped like the old Olds mouthpieces. If it is tulip
shaped, there is NO CHANCE it can be compared with the current catalog.
If it is STC-1 shaped, contact me off list, and we'll get in touch with
Dave after the first of the year and see if we can get this solved.
Hope that helps,
Al
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Gordon Hudson
"Dr. Trumpet" <dr_trpt-...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Its an STC 2
I am planning to use it on my (cough) Taylor Chicago custom.
SO the STC-2 makes cosmetic sense and it certainly works.
> Ok, is the 14 right at the stem, or farther up the mouthpiece toward the
> rim. On mine, the throat numbers are put on the mouthpiece right at the
> top of the stem, in the last of the slightly heavier mass.
Ok, I didnt realise there was a throat number.
I am on STC1 B4 at the moment.
This is right at the bottom of the mass area before it drops down to the
shank.
>It looks
> deeper than a Bach 1, but the reason for that is the cup is more
> efficient that a Bach 1 cup. The cup does have a little shoulder, then
> moves to a v-shape toward the throat.
Yes I can see that now.
> I have a 1-5 that I wish we could
> compare with yours a little closer.
>
> With 1-5 mouthpieces, the rim is the consistent thing, as well as the
> cup. If the cup were to be shallower, Dave would mark it 1-5S.
> Slightly deepened is 1-5 M, and really deep is the 1-5D, which is my
> mouthpiece for all but the piccolo.
>
> It may be too that there was an error made on that particular
> mouthpiece. Wish I could compare mine with yours to help more.
>
> The other thought that I have: the numbering system you describe and
> the way it is put on the mouthpiece suggests the mouthpiece is very old,
Yes I had guessed that as the lettering is also the old type.
The bottom line is it sounds good.
I used to play on mouthpieces of that sort of size and I should be able to
acclimatise.
I switched to smaller to imporove endurance but it has made my playing less
reliable.
I dont think I am exercising the right muscles on the smaller pieces and my
sound is poorer.
I used to play Bach1 on Bb and Bach 6 on Pic and it worked well so getting
back to a combination like that would make more sense (especially with
orchestral playing scheduled for this year).
Thanks for your help.
Gordon
Gordon Hudson
"JoeGuy" <johnsh...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> i'm being honest, gordon, i think dave monnette had a great thing going on
> with gold plated mouthpieces, endorsed by maynard ferguson, and wynton
> marsallis. charging 2 bills a piece for them. after all, they were just
> mouthpieces? does maynard ferguson sound any better on them than he did on
a
> jet tone in the 70's? i don't think so.
But possibly if he still used one he might be struggling now.
I have been using the Monettes for a year now and am just wanting to go
bigger again
for sound and style reasons.
You can pick up Monette mouthpieces second hand quite easily and cheaply.
I have a small collection.
You can also get the Kanstul copies for about $65 but I got a 4FL cornet
for my son and it is quite different to the
Monette original that I use.
Gordon
Dr. Trumpet
"Gordon Hudson" <gor...@usenet.hostroute.co.uk> wrote:
> Its an STC 2
> I am planning to use it on my (cough) Taylor Chicago custom.
> SO the STC-2 makes cosmetic sense and it certainly works.
Sounds like a good idea to me!
> Ok, I didnt realise there was a throat number.
The Monette trumpet mouthpieces come with different sized throats. Any
time the shop alters a piece, it stamps the mouthpiece to show that it
is different. My Prana B1-5D is a 14 throat and the C1-5D is an 11
throat. The standard Bach throat is a Morse 27 and Schilke's is a Morse
26. The Morse is a tapering identification system, with the smaller
numbers being larger.
> This is right at the bottom of the mass area before it drops down to the
> shank.
Then it is the throat. I have a B1-5XLFL mouthpiece with a 4 on it!
Yikes!
>
>
> Yes I had guessed that as the lettering is also the old type.
Probably early to mid-90s. Still a fine mouthpiece, but the dashes and
exactness of the number system was a bit different. The designs have
been modified and the consistency better.
>
> The bottom line is it sounds good.
> I used to play on mouthpieces of that sort of size and I should be able to
> acclimatise.
Great! That is the bottom line, after all!
>
> I switched to smaller to imporove endurance but it has made my playing less
> reliable.
> I dont think I am exercising the right muscles on the smaller pieces and my
> sound is poorer.
> I used to play Bach1 on Bb and Bach 6 on Pic and it worked well so getting
> back to a combination like that would make more sense (especially with
> orchestral playing scheduled for this year).
>
I think that the slightly larger rim size (the actual rim is a bit wider
than a Bach Rim) aids endurance, once you are used to it. I got this
idea from Ronnie Romm, a guy who had to have that endurance every night.
> Thanks for your help.
>
Happy to help!
Gordon Hudson
> In article <bsus19$csi$1$830f...@news.demon.co.uk>,
> "Gordon Hudson" <gor...@usenet.hostroute.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> > Its an STC 2
> > I am planning to use it on my (cough) Taylor Chicago custom.
> > SO the STC-2 makes cosmetic sense and it certainly works.
>
> Sounds like a good idea to me!
>
> > Ok, I didnt realise there was a throat number.
>
> The Monette trumpet mouthpieces come with different sized throats. Any
> time the shop alters a piece, it stamps the mouthpiece to show that it
> is different.
Thats useful to know, so I assume 14 is quite big then?
It makes the trumpet very free blowing which is not easy because there is so
much mass around it it does feel tight
with a normal mouthpiece in it even thouhg it is a .470 bore
My Prana B1-5D is a 14 throat and the C1-5D is an 11
> throat. The standard Bach throat is a Morse 27 and Schilke's is a Morse
> 26. The Morse is a tapering identification system, with the smaller
> numbers being larger.
>
> > This is right at the bottom of the mass area before it drops down to the
> > shank.
>
> Then it is the throat. I have a B1-5XLFL mouthpiece with a 4 on it!
> Yikes!
>
> >
> >
> > Yes I had guessed that as the lettering is also the old type.
>
> Probably early to mid-90s. Still a fine mouthpiece, but the dashes and
> exactness of the number system was a bit different. The designs have
> been modified and the consistency better.
>
> >
> > The bottom line is it sounds good.
> > I used to play on mouthpieces of that sort of size and I should be able
to
> > acclimatise.
>
> Great! That is the bottom line, after all!
I played for an hour or so today and it sounds great.
Its the best I have tried on it.
Lots of flexibilirty and sounds very smooth but the upper register is still
OK.
The jury is out on the stamina though.
> I think that the slightly larger rim size (the actual rim is a bit wider
> than a Bach Rim) aids endurance, once you are used to it. I got this
> idea from Ronnie Romm, a guy who had to have that endurance every night.
You might be right.
I have only ever had one lay off from playing for about 6 months about 12
years ago.
After this I couldnt get a note out of a small mouthpiece but with the Bach
1
I was able to play right through a church service 2 days after restarting
playing.
I think its just with having more lip area available to vibrate.
Anyway the B15 has brough this horn to life and its going to be great.
Now I just need to work out how to get the tarnish off the satin gold plate.
But surely gold doesn't tarnish?
Gordon
Dr. Trumpet
"Gordon Hudson" <gor...@usenet.hostroute.co.uk> wrote:
> Thats useful to know, so I assume 14 is quite big then?
Very large, indeed. Every size is .003 larger than the prior size.
> It makes the trumpet very free blowing which is not easy because there is so
> much mass around it it does feel tight
> with a normal mouthpiece in it even thouhg it is a .470 bore
The match of the mass and the mouthpiece makes the horn more balanced,
but a little more open.
> I have only ever had one lay off from playing for about 6 months about 12
> years ago.
> After this I couldnt get a note out of a small mouthpiece but with the Bach
> 1
> I was able to play right through a church service 2 days after restarting
> playing.
> I think its just with having more lip area available to vibrate.
Very well could be. Several other things are possible as well. But,
your theory is as good as any.
>
> Anyway the B15 has brough this horn to life and its going to be great.
Good for you!
>
> Now I just need to work out how to get the tarnish off the satin gold plate.
> But surely gold doesn't tarnish?
Yep. Hot water and a little rubbing with a soft cloth does wonders.
>
> Gordon
Randy Replogle
Dr. Trumpet wrote:
> In article <bsvda6$qnc$1$8300...@news.demon.co.uk>,
> "Gordon Hudson" <gor...@usenet.hostroute.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Thats useful to know, so I assume 14 is quite big then?
>
>
> Very large, indeed. Every size is .003 larger than the prior size.
>
Not always. The numbers of the throat size refer to "number" or "wire
gauge" drill diameters. If you compare the following web pages....
http://www.dallasmusic.org/gearhead/Mouthpiece%20throat%20size.html
http://www.mhatt.aps.anl.gov/dohn/ref_exp_sci/number_drill.html
I remember this because, among other things, I drill holes for a living.
:) http://www.chem.purdue.edu/machine
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Randy Replogle (Central Indiana)
Gordon Hudson
"Randy Replogle" <spamgo...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Thanks for that.
I am a metric person (was the first year at school that only did metric
sizes) but I get the idea from the chart.
Gordon
Gordon Hudson
The hot water will be coming out tommorrow.
Here we are only 40 minutes from the new year so I need to go and get ready
for the chime of Big Ben.
Gordon
Dr. Trumpet
Randy Replogle <spamgo...@verizon.net> wrote:
Cool link. That is what I've been looking for for a while.
Thanks!
Al
Daniel Duncan
You have a B15 with a 14 throat. I wouldn't guess at it's age, but the new
mpc's have B15 not B1-5. They usually come stock with an 18 throat. The
E15 would be the same rim only a shorter mouthpiece and different backbore
and throat made specifically for an Eb trumpet. Doesn't work that well on a
Bb or C, but nothing is absolute and there are those that can play anything
on anything.
B1-5 and B15 are essentially the same mouthpiece. In the mid 90's, I
believe, Dave changed the backbores.
Hope this helps,
Dan
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