Piccolo trumpet advice?
Howard
recently here in Melb. Australia, and the salesman said "you make that
thing sing" of course!! ;-) (FDo you think he wanted a sale? ;-) )
First time I have ever played Piccolo BTW
I play a Getzen eterna Bb & a Bach C, I liked the sound of the Benge, but
as a newbie on piccolo, I would appreciate other peoples opinion b4
making the purchase. Yamahas are the other piccolos which seem to be
reasonably easily available here as are Kanstuls, plus the Benge. Tks all
Howard Anders
Dirk
Hello Howard!
I tested some piccolo trumpets two years ago.
At first I tried some piccolos from my teacher (soloist from a
philharmonic orchestra):
Selmer (old ones)
very nice sound in A, he made his own modified leadpipe and the
instrument had a excellent response. Tuning was a little bit difficult,
but OK in A!
In Bb - forget these instruments ! Tuning is very difficult. I was not
able to manage it and I had this Instrument more than 6 weeks for
practising.
My teacher, he plays Christmas Oratorie only on one of his (3!) Selmer
piccolos, said it is a great instrument for advanced players, but
difficult for beginners because of bad tune.
Getzen Eterna
OK in A, difficult in Bb (tuning). Modify the leapipe!
Sometimes there are cheap used ones. But I like Selmer Sound more.
Yamaha Custom silver
Always good! Good brilliant sound.
But the price is more than 2500 EURO.
Scherzer http://www.scherzer.de
Johannes Scherzer, Markneukirchen makes good rotary piccolos.
They are good in tune in A and in Bb, and they have a very open dark
sound (I like it).
Response is OK - not like that modified Selmer from my teacher, but my
one is better than Yamaha Custom. It is necessary to try different
mouthpieces, for myself tuning on a B&S 7e or Bach 7e is best.
I bought an old one that was made in GDR. Some trumpet players imported
these instruments directly from GDR for a very good price. The seller of
my trumpet had tested benge, selmer and buescher piccolos as well, but
he preferred this Scherzer - he was a professional trumpet player from
military band. I bought it used (but like new) for less than 900 EUR. I
think today the price for a new one is about 2500 EUR and more, if you
want trigger, extra leadpipe, silver or goldplating, etc. - Scherzer are
the best rotary piccolos maybe. (But I never tried a Thein)
I was told, Scherzer designed a new Bb rotary trumpet with a Monke like
sound!
(waiting for testing a prototype in a trumpet store.....)
Cheers!
-Dirk
Josh
P5-4 is the best piccolo trumpet you can find. But you also have to
consider that they cost $2500 US, so I'm sure that is a factor with most
amateurs (that's why I don't have one). Good luck.
Josh
"Dirk" <Dir...@gmx.net> wrote in message news:397C2364...@gmx.net...
RHAAPANEN
I like the horn now!
Rog
Dr. Trumpet
First, please place my opinion in the "it's worth what you paid for it" category.
Second, the Kanstul piccolo is without a doubt for me the best picc I've
ever played or owned.
Charles Gorham, former head of the brass department at IU, owned a Schilke
P5-4. Charley Davis was out to interview for the IU teaching job that ended
up going to Ed Cord (this was 1989), and brought a couple of these piccolos
out for us to try. I loved one of them, but it had been promised to Mr.
Gorham. Mr. Gorham bought one, Charley was keeping the other, so I ordered
one. At the time, I had a Bach 196 with Blackburn leadpipes that I hated.
I toyed with a Getzen and a Benge. I did not like either enough to buy one.
I had played the IU P5-4 and CG's P5-4, but felt they both were awfully bright
and rather tight. They simply did not like all I wanted to put into them,
so they would distort. I also could not find a mouthpiece that made me
happy with either of them. Played the Kanstul once, and was sold. I
ordered it, and it took a year to get one (substantial backorder at that
time, and Kanstul was making them for Burbank, himself and Besson at that
time-same horn, just stamped differently). I played Mr. Gorham's on my
first doctoral recital, and was even more convinced that I had made the
right choice. I had access to nearly every piccolo at that time, and for
the amount of money I was spending (like, $750 at that time), this piccolo
was heads and tails above everything else.
If I had the money, I might own a Scherzer piccolo trumpet, but even then, I
would still own and use the Kanstul. It works well with instruments of all
different sizes and shapes. The tone of this instrument projects full and
rich over a large orchestra, but also works well when doing "The Trumpet
Shall Sound" or "Let the Bright Seraphim", or even the Telemann, Fasch or
Mozart Concertos. I really, really like this instrument, so much that I
have not even considered another piccolo since then. I play some that my
students bring to evaluate them, but simply do not like them as well as my
K. My undergraduate teacher owned a P5-4 and a Mahillion, and preferred the
old Mahillion because of its tone. I prefer my K over the Schilke for just
the same reason.
I justed played Telemann Concerto in D (the high one) and Fasch Concerto in D
last Sunday for two Lutheran services in honor of German Heritage Sunday. It
worked admirably with the organ. I had Clifford Blackburn make some pipes for
the horn. I did not like them, and went back to the originals. Clifford does
miricles with a lot of horns, but this one has been superb right out of the case.
Hope this helps some. Feel free to write me at ali...@scican.net if you
would like to ask more.
AL
Josh
out there, and my personal favorite. I did not mean to say that it was the
choice of everyone, and I apologize.
Josh
"Toshi Clark" <spik...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> Of course, there are those who prefer the sound of other piccolo trumpets
> than the Schilke out there -- perhaps the Schilke P5-4 is the "best
piccolo
> trumpet" for your tastes, but not for mine.
>
> --
> Toshi Clark
>
>
> In article <rtZe5.77223$dF.28...@news1.rdc1.il.home.com>,
> "Josh" <trump...@home.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm not sure how easy they are for you to get in Europe, but the schilke
> > P5-4 is the best piccolo trumpet you can find. But you also have to
> > consider that they cost $2500 US, so I'm sure that is a factor with most
> > amateurs (that's why I don't have one). Good luck.
> >
> > Josh
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
Alan Rouse
still do, I'm not sure). I'm not that knowledgeable about picc's, but
there's a guy in our band who absolutely loves his large-bore (0.460 I think)
Benge picc.
Howard Kiecke
for sale.
It'll save someone a 6 month wait. It is an excellent horn, but I can't
justify keeping three pics on hand and I'd rather sell to someone on the
list before posting it on e-bay.
joel
> I would appreciate other
> peoples opinion b4
> making the purchase. Yamahas are the other piccolos
> which seem to be
> reasonably easily available here as are Kanstuls, plus
> the Benge. Tks all
> Howard Anders
Howard,
See the link below for Jim Donaldon's fair review of
most of the available and popular pics out there.
I too love my Kanstul Custom Class pic despite the
Kanstul valves.
I played the Getzen Eterna for a while which I liked
but I like the long bell pics better. Some (such as
Kanstul) are a good guy.
Good luck.
http://www.dallasmusic.org/schilke/Piccolo%20Trumpets.html
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Jim Donaldson
>most of the available and popular pics out there.
Try this:
http://www.dallasmusic.org/gearhead/Piccolo%20Trumpet%20Guide.html
The previously posted link was The Schilke Loyalist page about the Schilke
P5-4.
Jim Donaldson
Denver Colorado
JFDon...@aol.com
The Schilke Loyalist
http://www.dallasmusic.org/schilke
Jim Donaldson
Denver Colorado
JFDon...@aol.com
The Schilke Loyalist
http://www.dallasmusic.org/schilke
Virtuoso2B
horn, especially for the price (both what I paid, and what you can get one of
them for). They have a very nice sound, and play quite well. There are, as
always, a few fishy notes on the horn. But after I get a set of blackburn
pipes, hopefully that will correct the problem.
The first thing people say about the horn is how sturdy it feels when you
hold it. I know in holding the Schilke piccs, as well as Yamaha, selmer, and
getzen, you kind of feel like if you hold too tight you'll break it. I think
it's the valve casing stomvi uses, it's quite heavy, and fits your hand nicely.
While I agree that the Stomvi isn't my favorite horn (that would have to
go to the Scherzer Rotary valve picc), it is a very nice horn which I am
pleased to play. Check it out. Who knows, you just might like it.
Matthew
sabel
Josh wrote:
SiegTrmpt
little darker than the Shilke it was patterned after and intonation is not the
battle as with some other brands. Regards, Bill
Raymond Nelson
but feels just fine. This horn plays wonderfully in Bb and A, and I get the
most glowing comments when I perform on it a couple times a year. I used to
play a lot more, but now that I joined the pinhead workforce, I even more
appreciate what a really well mannered instrument can do.
Dr. Trumpet wrote in message ...
>Hi!
>
>First, please place my opinion in the "it's worth what you paid for it"
category.
>
>Second, the Kanstul piccolo is without a doubt for me the best picc I've
>ever played or owned.
>