How NOT to play ROCKY by Wayne Bergeron
vettepassesyou
Yuck, this was no proper tribute to Maynard, sorry Wayne, stick to the
low notes,
Ugh...
Double C
You will, of course, be posting a video of yourself demonstrating the
CORRECT way of doing it...
Thanatos
<524d2059-38f9-4e3e...@5g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
vettepassesyou <usatr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
So shoot a vid of yourself doing it right. Thrill us all.
Jim Blansett
<usatr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Howdy, you couldn't dump Wayne's spit valve. This former Lakewood
Diplomat blows you into the weeds!
ansermetniac
Why would anyone want to listen to Bergeron when they can listen to
this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S62ICGPKsLM
It ain't just notes. Sound matters. And phrasing.
Mr. Peabody send me back to the 50s so I can lsiten to lead trumpet
players
Gozzo
Childers
Snooky
etc
etc
Lead trumpet today leaves alot to be desired
Abbedd
Thanatos
ansermetniac <anserm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 14:15:17 -0500, Jim Blansett
> <jim_bl...@hotmail.commakaze> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 22:06:46 -0700 (PDT), vettepassesyou
> ><usatr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg2YVIQ2VbA
> >>
> >> Yuck, this was no proper tribute to Maynard, sorry Wayne,
> >> stick to the low notes,
> >>
> >> Ugh...
> >
> > Howdy, you couldn't dump Wayne's spit valve. This former Lakewood
> > Diplomat blows you into the weeds!
>
>
> Why would anyone want to listen to Bergeron when they can listen to
> this
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S62ICGPKsLM
>
> It ain't just notes. Sound matters. And phrasing.
I have to agree. Listening to guys do the Maynard thing, where all they
do is squeal out falsetto high notes is about the most unmusical, boring
thing I can imagine listening to. It's like they never progressed beyond
that puerile junior-high mentality, where they considered the guy who
could play the highest note to be the "best" player, when in most cases
he was anything but.
Doc
> It ain't just notes. Sound matters. And phrasing.
Goz did a beautiful job.
There's more than one kind of sound. Robert Goulet had one of the most
magnificent voices ever but if everyone sounded like him, we wouldn't
have Tony Bennett, The Beatles, David Clayton Thomas, Gary Puckett,
John Denver, etc.
Goz didn't always sound like he did on that recording. Sometimes he
played high and damn loud for the sole purpose of punching through. I
think the whole point was to demonstrate that this guy who was
renowned for being a bear of a lead player could play melodically
too.
There's nothing wrong with powerhouse playing if it's done well.
There's nothing subtle about Maynard playing his movement of the Titan
symphony, or his signature tune "Maynard Ferguson", yet imo they're
examples of a beautiful trumpet sound.
Bergeron does a good job, certainly better than I could. When I first
heard this as a dumb kid, I actually wasn't all that blown away by it
for some reason. Years later when I actually tried to play it I
discovered it was a more hairy-chested solo than I thought. Even
though he was kinda past his prime when it came out, Maynard really
nailed it.
Something Maynard did that typically others don't is hold that one F#
out for what seems like forever. The man must have been half lung.
vettepassesyou
> On Apr 16, 4:15 pm, ansermetniac <ansermetn...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > It ain't just notes. Sound matters. And phrasing.
Most of those chosen for the Maynard tributes have not capture
Maynards sound.
>
> Goz did a beautiful job.
>
> There's more than one kind of sound. Robert Goulet had one of the most
> magnificent voices ever but if everyone sounded like him, we wouldn't
> have Tony Bennett, The Beatles, David Clayton Thomas, Gary Puckett,
> John Denver, etc.
>
> Goz didn't always sound like he did on that recording. Sometimes he
> played high and damn loud for the sole purpose of punching through. I
> think the whole point was to demonstrate that this guy who was
> renowned for being a bear of a lead player could play melodically
> too.
>
> There's nothing wrong with powerhouse playing if it's done well.
> There's nothing subtle about Maynard playing his movement of the Titan
> symphony, or his signature tune "Maynard Ferguson", yet imo they're
> examples of a beautiful trumpet sound.
>
> Bergeron does a good job,
No he did not.
Bergeron does not capture Maynard's sound.
certainly better than I could.
Not as good as I cound.
When I first
> heard this as a dumb kid, I actually wasn't all that blown away by it
> for some reason.
I was
vettepassesyou
> In article <e0hhs55hiktgbdhst080hckvn5jeb9g...@4ax.com>,
>
> - Show quoted text -
Maynard captured the right sound.
I have it. Rich Wetzel has it.
Wayne and the Japanese girl does not have it.
vettepassesyou
>
Harry James vintage sounding, apples to oranges.
Maynard's Rocky is different, not better or worse, just different.
Jim you can't play lead trumpet, I got your high note baby.
I would blow Wayne completely off the stage playing Rocky, don't be
stupid!
vettepassesyou
>
> vettepassesyou <usatrum...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg2YVIQ2VbA
>
> > Yuck, this was no proper tribute to Maynard, sorry Wayne, stick to the
> > low notes,
>
> > Ugh...
>
> So shoot a vid of yourself doing it right. Thrill us all.
Ain't got the backup players to play it.
Doc
>> certainly better than I could.
>
> Not as good as I cound.
Yes certainly. Of course. Sure. Absolutely.
And of course we know you'll prove this beyond a shadow of a doubt by
not playing it, rather than the silly, inefficient way of actually
standing up and doing it as Wayne does.
In fact this is the approach you've taken to generally proving how
similar to Maynard you are - by never, ever actually playing any
Maynard charts. Or demonstrating what a great lead player you are by
never actually playing lead with a section, jazzer, etc. etc.
Doc
> I would blow Wayne completely off the stage playing Rocky
Heck, I'm confident if you tried to play it, not just Wayne but the
entire band would be off the stage, and the audience would soon be
gone.
ns787980
I'm shocked and awed.
Vince Lamb has NOTHING on THE VIDEO.
IMHO... fucking over ANYONE?
Is an ALT thing.
Sharon
Thanatos
<2eb2eb98-ea56-4187...@i37g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
vettepassesyou <usatr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 16, 5:41�pm, Thanatos <atro...@mac.com> wrote:
> > In article <e0hhs55hiktgbdhst080hckvn5jeb9g...@4ax.com>,
> > �ansermetniac <ansermetn...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 14:15:17 -0500, Jim Blansett
> > > <jim blans...@hotmail.commakaze> wrote:
> >
> > > >On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 22:06:46 -0700 (PDT), vettepassesyou
> > > ><usatrum...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg2YVIQ2VbA
> >
> > > >> Yuck, this was no proper tribute to Maynard, sorry Wayne,
> > > >> stick to the low notes,
> >
> > > >> Ugh...
> >
> > > > Howdy, you couldn't dump Wayne's spit valve. This former Lakewood
> > > > Diplomat blows you into the weeds!
> >
> > > Why would anyone want to listen to Bergeron when they can listen to
> > > this
> >
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S62ICGPKsLM
> >
> > > It ain't just notes. Sound matters. And phrasing.
> >
> > I have to agree. Listening to guys do the Maynard thing, where all they
> > do is squeal out falsetto high notes is about the most unmusical, boring
> > thing I can imagine listening to. It's like they never progressed beyond
> > that puerile junior-high mentality, where they considered the guy who
> > could play the highest note to be the "best" player, when in most cases
> > he was anything but.
>
> Maynard captured the right sound.
> I have it. Rich Wetzel has it.
Do you not have any concept of art as a subjective experience? What one
person likes, another may not, and vice versa. Neither one is "right" or
"wrong". It's an entirely subjective decision that every person makes
for him or herself.
Your assertion that there is one "right" sound is idiotic. It may be
right for you but your subjective opinion is not the objective benchmark
by which all music is judged.
Thanatos
<56a125b5-730b-466f...@y17g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
vettepassesyou <usatr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Figures. Another an excuse. People like you always seem to have them.
ns787980
> On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 22:06:46 -0700 (PDT), vettepassesyou
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg2YVIQ2VbA
>
> >Yuck, this was no proper tribute to Maynard, sorry Wayne, stick to the
> >low notes,
>
> >Ugh...
>
> You will, of course, be posting a video of yourself demonstrating the
> CORRECT way of doing it...
No he won't...
He played contra bass.. for a corps that I belonged to.. and left
California to participate.
He's one of the people that CREATED this newsgroup.
He's one of those people that LEFT (and I mean left... he can't even
attend his alumni get togethers).
And LEFT RAMD... HIS... BABY!
VETTEPASSEYOU... is Vince Lamb... and IMHO...stirs up shit from his
ALT gripes.
Because Vince Lamb can't be HONEST.... HERE... and NEEDS his ALT group
to BE.
Sharon
Jazzycat1
You are dead wrong. Vettepassesyou is the fake Dr Mikey Schmidt,
Jeff
>
> > So shoot a vid of yourself doing it right. Thrill us all.
>
> Ain't got the backup players to play it.
??? Do it without the backup players. Should be a cakewalk for you.
You've got your own studio, Ding Dong.
Doc
> Ain't got the backup players to play it.
What MES meant to say is he doesn't the playing to back it up.
Doc
What MES meant to say is he doesn't have the playing to back it up.
Doc
>
Really? I say you couldn't even play the opening bars of the lead part
nor any part of the solo. Here's those first bars and then the first
notes of the solo. Up to Maynard's standards? Oh hell no. Not in the
same universe.
http://www.fileden.com/files/2010/3/22/2800754//gonna_fly.mp3
Let's hear you do just that much.
Jeff
>\
> Really? I say you couldn't even play the opening bars of the lead part
> nor any part of the solo. Here's those first bars and then the first
> notes of the solo. Up to Maynard's standards? Oh hell no. Not in the
> same universe.
>
> http://www.fileden.com/files/2010/3/22/2800754//gonna_fly.mp3
>
> Let's hear you do just that much.
How convenient -- he's got a home studio and no day job to distract
him...!
Doc
> How convenient -- he's got a home studio and no day job to distract
> him...!
He could do it with Windows recorder or Audacity which is a free app
that will even convert to .mp3.
However, my suggestion is to not hold your breath.
vettepassesyou
Doc that was very, very, [ add about 30 more very's here] , very bad.
Please, don't ever try to give me trumpet playing advice again or ask
me to listen to another sample of your trumpet playing again.
Ouch, that was worse than the Japanese gurl, much worse!
Mikey
Jim Blansett
I get it; this is more of your schtick.
Doc
yahoo.com> wrote:
> Doc that was very, very, [ add about 30 more very's here] , very bad.
I should add - your merely critiquing mine as I knew would be the
case, making excuses or doing anything other than putting up one of
your own will be a clear admission to all that YOU *can't* do it,
period.
Your admission is so noted.
Thanatos
<733e6df2-3be8-44cf...@x7g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>,
vettepassesyou <usatr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 18, 6:10 pm, Doc <docsavag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > Bergeron does a good job,
> >
> > > Not as good as I cound.
> >
> > Really? I say you couldn't even play the opening bars of the lead part
> > nor any part of the solo. Here's those first bars and then the first
> > notes of the solo. Up to Maynard's standards? Oh hell no. Not in the
> > same universe.
> >
> > http://www.fileden.com/files/2010/3/22/2800754//gonna fly.mp3
> >
> > Let's hear you do just that much.
>
> Doc that was very, very, [ add about 30 more very's here] , very bad.
> Please, don't ever try to give me trumpet playing advice again or ask
> me to listen to another sample of your trumpet playing again.
> Ouch, that was worse than the Japanese gurl, much worse!
Do better. Thrill us.
Jeff
vettepassesyou
"Doc", you were far worse than Wayne ,you were even far worse than
that Japanese gurl, you just plain stunk up the joint.
Your lead high note solo trumpet playing is , and this is being kind,
very poor.
"Doc", unlike you , I am not releasing sloppy, unprofessional, non
world class recordings.
The samples on my Myspace page:
http://www.myspace.com/trumpetofthelord
reflect my ability to write, arrange, record , mix, and master new
original trumpet music on a world class level.
I never said that I planned to release Rocky, but if I ever have a
chance to have the backup musicians to record Rocky properly, I am
more than capable of playing it better than just about anyone.
Thank you for your understanding.
MIKEY - Trumpet - the sound you love.
P.S., as for Jeff Helfgesen, I have never heard any samples of Jeff
Helgesen playing a trumpet in the upper extreme range.
Unlike Jeff, I have put up samples of my extreme range trumpet playing
(from my Extreme CD)on my myspace page.
Jeff I can not "fail" , to a challenge that I never agreed to.
If I am not able to release tracks that include world class backup
musicians, I am not going to release the track.
At the moment, we simply do not have the three grand needed to
properly record a new high note version of Rocky.
Got it?
P.S.S.
As for Thanatos, look for the release of REDEMPTION this summer.
REDEMPTION is a trumpet CD, but it is not a high note trumpet CD. It
does contain a very few amount of trumpet high notes. After REDEMPTION
we have plans to record a new CD using public domain spiritual songs.
Maynard had a record contract, and the funding to record ROCKY
properly.
Thanks for understanding.
MelodiousThunk
Kudos to you for trying it and posting the result publicly; hitting
all the notes with good articulation; pretty nice 1st trill; and a
very nice "pinch-off" at the end.
I don't think you should hold yourself to Maynard's standards.
Jeff
>
> P.S., as for Jeff Helfgesen
Howdy, howdy.
> Jeff I can not "fail" , to a challenge that I never agreed to.
Speak English much?
> Maynard had a record contract, and the funding to record ROCKY
> properly.
Not to mention the credibility.
Heck, you're playing in a community band there, aintcha? I'm sure
they're taking advantage of your mad skillz by having you play all the
lead and all the high note solos. Surely you've got a few Maynard
charts in the book. This should be a cakewalk for you.
We're waiting.
Thanatos
<12605d4f-f940-4f3a...@f20g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
vettepassesyou <usatr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> REDEMPTION is a trumpet CD, but it is not a high note trumpet CD.
Convenient. The guy who claims to be the best high-note soloist in the
world never puts out any recordings of high-note solos.
> if I ever have a chance to have the backup musicians to record
> Rocky properly, I am more than capable of playing it better
> than just about anyone.
You don't need any of that to record the first few bars of the solo
line. If you're as good as you claim to be, it will sound just fine all
by yourself.
> "Doc", unlike you , I am not releasing sloppy, unprofessional,
> non world class recordings.
So you're basically saying that if you don't have a back-up band and a
suite of recording equipment and software that your attempt at playing
that solo will be sloppy and unprofessional?
On that we agree. [Although I'm quite sure that description would hold
no matter who you had backing you and what equipment you were using to
record it.)
Doc
> Kudos to you for trying it and posting the result publicly; hitting
> all the notes with good articulation; pretty nice 1st trill; and a
> very nice "pinch-off" at the end.
Thanks. I never really thought of what one might call that particular
embellishment. Someone in music academia has probably labeled it
something. Pinch-off sounds as good as any, even if the phrase "pinch
it off" means something entirely different to me.
;-)
> I don't think you should hold yourself to Maynard's standards.
Well it's a sure bet I'll never rise to his standards.
Watching various videos of him doing this time after time in live
situations, it really drives home that despite all the spastic
"Hollywood" affectations he seemed to fall into for a while, he was
still a damn stout player.
MelodiousThunk
> On Apr 20, 12:40 pm, MelodiousThunk <thunk.melodi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Kudos to you for trying it and posting the result publicly; hitting
> > all the notes with good articulation; pretty nice 1st trill; and a
> > very nice "pinch-off" at the end.
>
> Thanks. I never really thought of what one might call that particular
> embellishment. Someone in music academia has probably labeled it
> something. Pinch-off sounds as good as any, even if the phrase "pinch
> it off" means something entirely different to me.
>
> ;-)
Nah, it's the same. Sphincter's just another set o' lips for a
lead. ;-)
> > I don't think you should hold yourself to Maynard's standards.
>
> Well it's a sure bet I'll never rise to his standards.
>
> Watching various videos of him doing this time after time in live
> situations, it really drives home that despite all the spastic
> "Hollywood" affectations he seemed to fall into for a while, he was
> still a damn stout player.
Well he did get caught up in all that "LDS" and stuff at Leary's farm
after all. ;-)
I saw him play several times in the 1970s but I really don't like that
"Rocky" and "Primal Scream" era very much. It's the 40s and 50s
Maynard that I go for. Five of my friends played in various editions
of his band in the 1980s, just for a tour or two. He really became
quite an "edumacator" and I'm told he loved having the young people
(cheap after all). Did hella good in India, educatin'-wise. Stout,
yeah that's an understatement. He was still going strong toward the
end. I think his last recording was on Bergeron's CD.
Doc
> "Doc", you are right, I am not going to upload myselff
> playeng this bekause it would be slopey, unperfessienul,
> and generally non world class as is everything I've ever
> played or releesed in public. But it would be reedikulous
> to try a Maynurd song. I can't even play the notes
> of anything Maynurd did, even down an octave.
> The samples on my Myspace page:reflect my pathetic
> attempts to record myelf playing trumpet. My famuly wished
> I wuldnt of putt them up but I wanted to. My dotter won't
> tawk to me now. And by the way I wnat to make it cleer that
> I havunt never, ever touched myself down there while thinking
> abowt my dotter. I swear. Nobody shudde ever thingk that.
>
> Thenk you for your understanding.
No problem. Only thing is, I don't hear any trumpet on your MySpace
page. There must have been a problem with the audio files. I hear some
generally competently played but repetitive guitar licks but the only
other sound I can discern is what sort of sounds like what I imagine
an asthmatic chimpanzee struggling to take a breath would sound like.
Was there a chimpanzee in the studio?
vettepassesyou
> On Apr 20, 11:39 am, vettepassesyou <usatrum...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > P.S., as for Jeff Helfgesen
>
>
> > Jeff I can not "fail" , to a challenge that I never agreed to.
>
> Speak English much?
>
> > Maynard had a record contract, and the funding to record ROCKY
> > properly.
>
> Not to mention the credibility.
>
> Heck, you're playing in a community band there, aintcha? I'm sure
> they're taking advantage of your mad skillz by having you play all the
> lead and all the high note solos. Surely you've got a few Maynard
> charts in the book. This should be a cakewalk for you.
>
> We're waiting.
Sure do, and I have this Jay Chattawaw chart right here in front of
me.
You are right about one thing, this song would be a cake walk for me
to play Jeff.
Although I do play second, and all of the high note solos, I do not
believe that either of the two jazz bands that I currently play in
has the proper instrumentation at the moment to record this song well
enough to release on a recording.
Doc after hearing your trumpet sample of Rocky, can see what you have
trouble hearing what a great sounding trumpet player sounds like.
Thanatos, solo trumpet part on the opening bars is simple, a few high
D's and F natural , simple, unless perhaps you take what is written up
an octave.
As far as playing those lines sloppy, doc the sock provided a link to
that.
Do I think I could play the Rocky solo better than Maynard did?
Yes I do, including playing several of his parts up an octave. Plus
would have more power, volume and a much bigger, fatter, warmer sound.
Jeff
>
> Sure do, and I have this Jay Chattawaw chart right here in front of
> me.
Type much? The "w" is two city blocks away from the "y".
> You are right about one thing, this song would be a cake walk for me
> to play Jeff.
And yet you refuse the simplest of challenges to prove it. This
speaks volumes. Doc wins the round.
> Although I do play second, and all of the high note solos, I do not
> believe that either of the two jazz bands that I currently play in
> has the proper instrumentation at the moment to record this song well
> enough to release on a recording.
Considering that at least one of these bands appears to be comprised
in part of high school students, I believe that you have bigger
obstacles than instrumentation.
> Do I think I could play the Rocky solo better than Maynard did?
What you think really isn't relevant. Your overinflated opinion of
yourself is well-documented.
vettepassesyou
If you can back it up, then it isn't an inflated ego.
Jeff
>
> If you can back it up, then it isn't an inflated ego.
...assumes facts not in evidence. You should know better from your
time in front of a judge.
the OTHER Mike
>
> - Show quoted text -
But you ain't Buddy Rich ( stop stealing his lines)
vettepassesyou
>
> - Show quoted text -
Jeff
Thanatos
<5d109ba6-049c-43ca...@u31g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
vettepassesyou <usatr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Although I do play second, and all of the high note solos, I do not
> believe that either of the two jazz bands that I currently play in
> has the proper instrumentation at the moment to record this song well
> enough to release on a recording.
Have you ever heard of a capella, genius?
What kind of player could you possibly be if you can't play without a
full band backing you every time?
> Doc after hearing your trumpet sample of Rocky, can see what you have
> trouble hearing what a great sounding trumpet player sounds like.
>
> Thanatos, solo trumpet part on the opening bars is simple, a few high
> D's and F natural , simple, unless perhaps you take what is written up
> an octave.
Then do it. [And post it here as proof.]
> Do I think I could play the Rocky solo better than Maynard did?
> Yes I do, including playing several of his parts up an octave. Plus
> would have more power, volume and a much bigger, fatter, warmer sound.
Then do it. [And post it here as proof.]
Robert DeSavage
<jeff.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
All the more good reason for trumpet players (and all other wind
instrumentalists) to keep an eye on their food plan. If not, it's
likely that out of the bells of corpulent trumpet players comes
BLAAAATTTTTULANCE. 8-)
Thanatos
<1dccc44f-3334-43e4...@r1g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
vettepassesyou <usatr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Then go ahead and back it up. [And post it here as proof.]
Jeff
> On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 13:48:01 -0700 (PDT), Jeff
>
> >http://bit.ly/aJ5Ykf
>
> All the more good reason for trumpet players (and all other wind
> instrumentalists) to keep an eye on their food plan. If not, it's
> likely that out of the bells of corpulent trumpet players comes
> BLAAAATTTTTULANCE. 8-)
That's one very large man.
Doc
> I saw him play several times in the 1970s but I really don't like that
> "Rocky" and "Primal Scream" era very much. It's the 40s and 50s
> Maynard that I go for.
I imagine many people feel the same way, but he put out some good
stuff later too. MacArthur Park, Give It One, etc. are some pretty
fine tracks. I think he pretty much always had a fine band.
We won't talk about Star Trek, etc.
As it happened, Primal Scream was the first of his albums I got - and
it left me scratching my head. I think it's pretty generally regarded
as not being one of the gems of his discography.
Robert DeSavage
"Mikey Mikey sat on a wall -
Mikey Mikey had a great fall -
All of KING Mikey's horses and men -
Couldn't put KING Mikey back together again"
vettepassesyou
Hopes to release Extreme any time soon seem slim to none.
I really would like to release a high note CD, even if it might not
sell and well as the other CD's that I am releasing.
For a multiple number of reasons the Extreme CD is far from ready for
release.
I really have no intentions of covering other musicians like Maynard.
Arturo did an excellent job on Maynard Ferguson, and Rich Wetzel's
releases are superb. I highly recommend that you buy them.
the OTHER Mike
I liked the stuff before MF Horn. If you go back to some of his LP's
in the 50's and 60's there was alot of good jazz playing all around.
I remember hearing a MF version of Old Man River that was very intense
impact with only a smattering of high notes and a hellofalot of black
notes.......much later around 79 or 80 I heard SoA play that version
as an opener
vettepassesyou
Yes, the Spirit of Atlanta played it as an opener, using none of the
"black notes".
Robert DeSavage
highest notes ever played before on a trumpet !!
Because you play the highest notes ever played before on a trumpet, my
dog appreciates your playing. Think of it as being a new potential
market for your skills where you can go on tour playing the five star
kennel circuit. Of course you'll have to provide your own meals unless
you like Alpo.
Jeff
>
> Of course you'll have to provide your own meals unless
> you like Alpo.
His Mighty Corpulence clearly eats in style (unlike his playing)...
Doc
vettepassesyou
Nobody cares that you think nobody cares.
p.s. you can't play lead doc sock.
the OTHER Mike
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So untrue, why would you even make a comment like that ?
I realize I make many ignorant comments but no one I know makes more
stupid comments than you do.
Jim Blansett
<BleuR...@aol.com> wrote:
>On Apr 23, 12:02?pm, vettepassesyou <usatrum...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Apr 23, 12:40?am, the OTHER Mike <BleuRae...@aol.com> wrote:
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>> > On Apr 21, 9:55 pm, Doc <docsavag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> > > On Apr 20, 10:13 pm, MelodiousThunk <thunk.melodi...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> > > > I saw him play several times in the 1970s but I really don't like that
>> > > > "Rocky" and "Primal Scream" era very much. It's the 40s and 50s
>> > > > Maynard that I go for.
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>> > > I imagine many people feel the same way, but he put out some good
>> > > stuff later too. MacArthur Park, Give It One, etc. are some pretty
>> > > fine tracks. I think he pretty much always had a fine band.
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>> > > We won't talk about Star Trek, etc.
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>> > > As it happened, Primal Scream was the first of his albums I got - and
>> > > it left me scratching my head. I think it's pretty generally regarded
>> > > as not being one of the gems of his discography.
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>> > I liked the stuff before MF Horn. ? If you go back to some of his LP's
>> > in the 50's and 60's there was alot of good jazz playing all around.
>> > I remember hearing a MF version of Old Man River that was very intense
>> > impact with only a smattering of high notes and ?a hellofalot of black
>> > notes.......much later around 79 or 80 I heard SoA play that version
>> > as an opener
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>> Yes, the Spirit of Atlanta played it as an opener, using none of the
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>So untrue, why would you even make a comment like that ?
>I realize I make many ignorant comments but no one I know makes more
>stupid comments than you do.
It's what he calls "schtick," TOMike. He imagines himself to be
humorous. Then, again, he considers himself a fine horn player, too.
Amazingly wrong on both!
Jeff
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> It's what he calls "schtick," TOMike. He imagines himself to be
> humorous. Then, again, he considers himself a fine horn player, too.
> Amazingly wrong on both!
There's a recurring thread here...the fantasy world of Howdy Schmidt,
in which he thinks that he can declare himself superior about
something due to some self-conceived skill that nobody cares about,
measurable by metrics that are only measurable by declarations of
support from him and the people in his immediate circle of
"friends" (not the MySpace kind), And his most boastful claims are to
be the "loudest" and "highest"....not really anything that will
attract any listeners of MUSIC. (Yes, Howdy, any crank can produce a
half dozen self-produced projects in ten years.)
This is why he won't subject any of his work to independent review.
nor will he demonstrate any competence in anything but his narrowly-
defined field of focus.
It's fine to make "music" this way...it's just sad that he feels like
he will get anything positive out of being a complete horse's ass on
the Internet. For over a decade. Good luck with that.
Funny how his most boastful claims (better sound, reduction in
tasteless vibrato) were exactly the things that folks were telling him
to fix a decade ago in RMMT, when he was making the EXACT ("world
class") claims on Usenet, when he wouldn't hear of it...
Doc
> Funny how his most boastful claims (better sound, reduction in
> tasteless vibrato) were exactly the things that folks were telling him
> to fix a decade ago in RMMT, when he was making the EXACT ("world
> class") claims on Usenet, when he wouldn't hear of it...
I haven't been aware of him as long as some on here but I can't say I
hear any profound improvement. The stuff on Myspace perhaps sounds
marginally less laughable than other things of his I've heard only due
to him not going for his patented dog-shrieks. His overall musicality,
technical command of the instrument, "improv" etc. hasn't improved an
inch that you could prove by me.
I'd be very surprised if he could do a credible job as a lead player
on a high-school level stage band chart if he had a year to work on
it.
> This is why he won't subject any of his work to
> independent review.
He gets "reviewed" here and apparently by people who are dead or
otherwise untrackable - "Mary P. who happened to be working as a temp
in the mailroom at WXXX Cable access tv on the day I was there when I
got on camera says I'm great!"
Do you think a music publication with any standing would even devote
space to an "album" whose production consists of burning homemade CD-
R's, particularly when they're as ridiculous as his?
I imagine if he actually submitted it to be critiqued they'd have a
laugh in their office "hey man, you gotta hear what this joker
sent...snicker" and send him a diplomatically worded note about it not
fitting the overall style for their readership demographic, but thanks
for his interest and best wishes.
Let's face it, there are high-school aged players and bands who
produce far better quality vanity albums.
> nor will he demonstrate any competence in anything but
> his narrowly-defined field of focus.
As far as I can tell his "field of focus" as far as music is concerned
is playing the trumpet on a low-end amateur level.
> It's fine to make "music" this way..
I don't hold it against him that he isn't much of a player. I can
certainly commiserate with anyone who isn't a great player but still
enjoys playing and music in general - I count myself as a charter
member of that club.
Obviously what makes him a target of ridicule is this "brain-damaged
blowhard" act he puts on.
the OTHER Mike
> Obviously what makes him a target of ridicule is this "brain-damaged
> blowhard" act he puts on.
Oh please don't pick on him....he's not feeling well and might be just
too tired to respond to us cockroaches
Robert DeSavage
>I don't hold it against him that he isn't much of a player. I can
>certainly commiserate with anyone who isn't a great player but still
>enjoys playing and music in general - I count myself as a charter
>member of that club.
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>Obviously what makes him a target of ridicule is this "brain-damaged
>blowhard" act he puts on.
I'm a member of that club too, Doc. That's the price we 'pay' when we
choose to live a half-assed ordinary normal life. So be it. Had I
chose to put trumpet playing above wife, kids, day job, I don't think
I'd be any more happier than I am with my lot in life as it is. Maybe
I'd be miserable and get to the point that I'd jump out of a third
floor window as a consequence of being 'obsessive'. However my
abilities stack up against other (and obviously BETTER) players, I'm
not going to get my bowels in an uproar. If it ain't broken, don't fix
it. Why should I ever want to change horses mid-stream? My 'reward' is
that my kids are doing better than me. What's better than that?
It's a shame that Mikey is so obsessed about his playing, yet never
mentions the other meaningful things that make the world spin. Does he
have a life other than living on RMMT and worrying about what others
say about him? Mikey is his own worse enemy... and the more he
responds to the numerous replies to his postings, it's going to be all
the more negative comments that he gets in return.
It's beyond a shadow of a doubt that Mikey has not reached a level of
maturity where he has yet to learn how to IGNORE those who rub him the
wrong way. If he continues on his miserable journey, someone best put
bars in front of the windows on the third floor of his trailer before
it's too late,
An open statement offering a bit of advice to Mikey... GROW UP MIKEY!
Realize that if you want to dish it out, you're going to have learn
how to take a bunch of s*it in return. While you've gotten a lot of
flak, you've dished out some real inflammatory remarks yourself. And
because of this, it's S.S.D.D where the music keeps going 'round and
'round and 'round and the s*it keeps hitting the fan..
Jeff
> blowhard" act he puts on.
*ding ding ding ding*
We have a winner.
Of course, everything else you said is true, as well, but...that
statement sums it up nicely.
Robert DeSavage
I still can't make up my mind whether Mikey is a bull-sh*t artist
running down a game on us, OR that he really believes his claims and
is deemed a certified Loony Toon. If it's the former, I guess no one
told him where it's at about being a BS artist. From time to time many
of us might gild the lily a tad. It often times gives us a boost that
we need at the moment. If this be the case, Rule One of BS For Dummies
clearly states that one can't sh*t a sh*tter and hope to get away with
it. Maybe the next time our artist in residence goes to the woodshed
to practice, someone should visit him to administer a good old
fashioned country whoopin' as a follow up to the birds and the bees
thing.
Doc
> I still can't make up my mind whether Mikey is a bull-sh*t artist
> running down a game on us,
I imagine he keeps regurgitating this same noise over and over partly
because he knows it irritates people. But his motivation to irritate
people to begin with is getting back at them because they won't
support the game he's running on himself - i.e. this whole "I'm a
world-class player" thing.
I think on some level he knows it's crap. He has to have run up
against certain facts - he's never been approached to play in a real,
professional band. Surely at some point he's heard real lead/jazz
players and knows they're in a different universe than he is.
The tell that it's symptomatic of other issues is that he's been doing
it for so long and that he also engages in this boasting in other
public forums such as his website - "here's all these people who
support the idea that I'm great" and on his MySpace page. Obviously
he's desperate for validation - for the world to support his self-
delusion. I'm curious if these kids (or any of the adults for that
matter) in the D&B organization he "judges" for have ever actually
heard him play.