tpin-digest V3 #913
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tpin-digest Tuesday, 24 June 1997 Volume 03 : Number 913
In this issue:
Re: WTB... C trumpet
Shouting about the NEA and Taxation
Re: Gene Corporon, was NEA
Re: NEA (asbestos suit alert)
Re: Bobby Shew Technique Method
re: Live (acoustic) music is best was Re: Nat.Endowment for the Arts
The Regent Trumpet (fwd)
Re: A Maynard tune
RE: Nat.Endowment for the Arts
Re: Nat.Endowment for the Arts
Re: NEA, but a little off topic
Trumpet I.D. (fwd)
Re: Nat.Endowment for the Arts
I'M OUT OF HERE FOR AWHILE...
Re: Nat.Endowment for the Arts
Re: Nat.Endowment for the Arts
Re: Nat.Endowment for the Arts
Transposing
Re: Nat.Endowment for the Aristocrats
Double and triple tonguing
Re: Ennea
Re: "Lead" mouthpiece
Re: WTB... C trumpet
NEA
RE: Nat.Endowment for the Arts
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From: Jon Pankin <jo...@realnetinc.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 20:06:49 -0700
Subject: Re: WTB... C trumpet
Sure, I've played on one for years. They're great horns. The 43 B flat
lead pipe might be a bit large for some people's taste, but I've gotten
used to it. Dick still does this mod. pretty reasonably.
JP
Tim Swensen wrote:
>
> > Well, this is just my personal HO, but you better be a bit clearer about
> > what you want, or all the sharks on this list, like Brian Moon, are
> > going to try and sell you Yamahas, or something. What you really meant
> > to say was, "I'd like to purchase a nice, used Bach C tpt., large bore,
> > raw brass 229 bell (preferably tuneable), with a 25S or Blackburn
> > leadpipe...know of any? :-)
> >
> > JP
>
> Jon,
>
> Sounds a lot like the kind of modifications Dick Akright is doing on
> Bach C trumpets. Have you or anyone else played any of this horns?
>
> I noticed that Glenn Fischtal (principal, San Francisco Sym.) is playing on
> one. Tunable bell, B-flat leadpipe.
>
> --
> Tim Swensen ti...@latticesemi.com
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From: ti...@lscsjc.latticesemi.com (Tim Swensen)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 97 15:05:41 PDT
Subject: Shouting about the NEA and Taxation
Well, if we haven't met Scotty before, we can certainly say we have met him
now. :)
Let me say that, like him, I'd rather let each person decide how their
discretionary money is spent. Taxation and redistribution does not seem like
the right way to go. And hearing from Jeff Parke on this reminded me of the
many discussions I had with my Libertarian roommate.
Well, I'm pretty much a Libertarian now, but I hope I'm a trumpet player too.
The vociferous reactions we have heard point out to me that people are
passionate about many things other than trumpet playing. It's the same way
in the public at large.
I spent four Saturday afternoons preparing with my organist for a recital
in greater Sacramento at a sister church to my own. The organist is a member
there, and we advertised at the church well ahead of time. Since the
drive to the church was 2.5 hours for me, I considered it to be a sacrifice
of time, but one I enjoyed making, since I was playing good music for the
glory of God and for our enjoyment.
The attendance was _very_ small (around 20 or so), but it was rewarding
anyway. The fact is that most of the members at that church really don't
care that much about classical music, I expect. That's OK.
Sometimes it's hard to accept that many of the interests we are passionate
about hold no interest for other people. Let's be glad there are yet people
interested in our art, and perform it for them, and yet realize that it's
still just _one_ form of human expression.
- --
Tim Swensen ti...@latticesemi.com
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From: Tim Walters <walt...@fau.campus.mci.net>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 18:11:37 -0700
Subject: Re: Gene Corporon, was NEA
Paul...@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 97-06-21 03:29:27 EDT, you write:
>
> << Luckily in this country we have the choice *every day* to support the
> arts. And if you don't think the government is spending enough on arts,
> please please please send in a check. Send all you have--send all you
> can afford! Community theaters, orchestras, museusm could all use the
> money. Don't wait for the government to support th >>
>
> HEAR HEAR ! ! ! ! ! ! !
>
> And, what the heck. . . go to their darn concerts. . on Saturday, I went to a
> concert of the California Wind Symphony, a professional wind ensemble
> (similar to the Dallas Winds group) which is on the ropes here in Sacramento.
> The guest conductor was the GREAT Eugene Corporon, and it was a FABULOUS
> performance. The total attendance was maybe 150 people. There are HUNDREDS
> of band directors in the area, and THOUSANDS of band students. Where are we
> all? We expect our groups to be patronized, and then we don't support each
> other.
>
> IF YOU TEACH, GET YOUR STUDENTS OUT TO THESE CONCERTS. AND GO YOURSELF!
>
> Paul <clink clink>
I'd love to hear what was played on that concert- I was lucky enough to
be in a college ensemble directed by Gene, who is a fantastic conductor
with great taste in music (that is to say, he likes what I like!).
Like Steve, I cannot respond to any more NEA posts; it's been fun but
the horn is calling!
Parting shot: as my dad used to say, before you cut down a high tree
limb make sure you know what side of the saw you're sitting on!
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From: JFDon...@aol.com
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 23:36:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: NEA (asbestos suit alert)
Guy Clark wrote:
>> Oh!
>> If it is POPULAR, it's GOOD! If it is not financially lucrative, it
>>deserves to die!
>> Oh, I understand now!
Scotty Huff wrote:
>Mature. Again you're missing the point.
(entire response)
You know, I was almost proud of the way the list seemed to have mastered
thoughtful civil discourse over a subject where we demonstrably had very
divergent strongly held opinions--where we addressing ideas, not proponents.
Ah, but it couldn't last...
I hope Mr. Clark had not been lulled into a false sense of security (as I
had) and hung up his asbestos suit prematurely.
Jim Donaldson
Denver, Colorado
JFDon...@aol.com
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From: je...@psu.edu (John Daniel)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 18:45:48 -0400
Subject: Re: Bobby Shew Technique Method
Last I heard, he's still working on it.
>Some time ago, I remember seeing something on the TPIN regarding a Trumpet
>method book that
>Bobby Shew had written.
>
>Questions:
>
>1. Can anyone tell me if it is worth obtaining?
>2. If yes to above, where can I obtain it from?
>3. Is there a suggested approach to the method, to obtain maximum results?
>
>Your replies will be most appreciated.
>
>
>Graeme Reynolds
>Adelaide, South Australia
>Graeme....@flinders.edu.au
>
>
>
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From: Earl Needham <need...@3lefties.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 21:42:09 -0700
Subject: re: Live (acoustic) music is best was Re: Nat.Endowment for the Arts
> From: moon...@juno.com, on 6/23/97 9:59 PM:
> Live taps sounds better. I am tired of the regal sound of our noble
> instrument being ruined by some hack at a mixing board.
Usually, or perhaps just sometimes, this is true. However, I've been
in the Air Force for 14 years, and I've been several places that were too small
to rate a band. They either used a CD (or tape) or else someone "who used to
play trumpet in high school" tried to do the job. They're to be commended for
trying, but I've heard some, shall we say, "less than perfect" performances
over the years.
Earl Needham, KD5XB
Clovis, NM
Wood Badge at Philmont! http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/7582/ ICQ
#925486
KD...@AMSAT.ORG
Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia, Pi Chi '76
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From: Trumpet Players International Network <tru...@parnassus.dana.edu>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 22:45:10 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: The Regent Trumpet (fwd)
forwarded
Michael Anderson
Assistant Professor of Music
Dana College, Blair, Ne. 68008
Trumpet Player's International Network Administrator
(402)426-9063 - home
(402)426-7314 - office
- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 13:58:23 -0400
From: Steve Stienecker <nkso...@bright.net>
To: tru...@parnassus.dana.edu
Subject: The Regent Trumpet
Dear Mr. Anderson,
I have a question I thought you may be able to answer. It concerns a
trumpet I have obtained from a antique barn. It is a silver Regent Trumpet
made by the Ohio Band Instrument Company in Cleveland, Ohio. The serial #
is 20403 and it is about four inches shorter than my Bach Strad. What I
would like to know is any history on the horn and maybe a price value. It
is in very good condition.
Thanks,
Adam Stienecker
nkso...@bright.net
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From: Stephen Kloesel <aklo...@swbell.net>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 22:58:11 -0500
Subject: Re: A Maynard tune
Tim Walters wrote:
>
> Hello, all you MF fans,
>
> I've been asked a question about a tune possibly recorded by Maynard. I
> listened to it, and thought I recognized him... it possibly has the word
> Gabriel in the title. Sounds funky, maybe a little disco, too.
>
> Anyone got ideas about the tune title and/or album?
>
> TIA!
I believe the tune is called Gabriel and it is from his album HOT. It
is definitely from the disco period as there is a tune on it called
Rocky II Disco, with Sly grunting and everything.
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From: "Guy Clark" <guyc...@msn.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 97 04:43:29 UT
Subject: RE: Nat.Endowment for the Arts
Hi, Earl!
Of course I don't want totalitarinism! Unfortunately, we are on the path to a
different type of totalitarinaism, one in which the government isn't the
villain, but the corporations are! My point is simply that since people
aren't being exposed to fine art anywhere as much as they were 10, 20, 30, 50
years ago, they don't know to appreciate it.
When rap music (for example) is considered "music" and its "artists" make big
bucks, while good quality orchestras and dance troupes go under for lack of
funding; when sports teams (of multi-millionaires) owned by
multi-multi-millionaires blackmail city and state governments into giving them
money, tax-writeoffs, and or infrastructure with threats of moving to another
city while arts education is being cut in the schools, then I say that the
government must step in and do something.
If the people don't know they have a choice, they can't make a choice. Our
country was indeed founded on a free market principal, but people seemed to
have a few more principals in those days. Today, there is too much greed on
the part of corporations as well as the beneficiaries of government subsidies.
To advocate starting "fiscal responsibility" by making the cuts in the NEA is
as misguided as trying to make radical changes in a trumpet's playing
characteristics by stripping the lacquer when the valves are grossly out of
alignment.
Later (and I hope there is a later for the arts)!
Guy Clark
guyc...@msn.com
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From: Earl Needham
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 1997 11:40 PM
To: Guy Clark
Subject: RE: Nat.Endowment for the Arts
> From: "Guy Clark" <guyc...@msn.com>, on 6/22/97 8:32 PM:
> Oh!
>
> If it is POPULAR, it's GOOD! If it is not financially lucrative, it
deserves
> to die!
>
> Oh, I understand now!
Well, I'm glad YOU do -- I'm not at all sure where this whole thread is
leading.
Our entire country is founded on the free market, and I'm a bit afraid
of something you said in one of your other posts -- something like "the public
doesn't know what it wants and the government has to show them". Or something
like that. It sounds similar to something a totalitarian government would
produce. Is that really what you meant?
Earl Needham, KD5XB
Clovis, NM
Wood Badge at Philmont! http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/7582/ ICQ
#925486
KD...@AMSAT.ORG
Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia, Pi Chi '76
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From: Tim Walters <walt...@fau.campus.mci.net>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 22:41:25 -0700
Subject: Re: Nat.Endowment for the Arts
> Yeah Earl!!! Perfect!!! Just wait though. Wait for the comments about rock
> music. Wait an see what these elitist bastards say about that! :-)
Now, Scotty, I might admit to being a liberal, and maybe, after a few
beers, an elitist (it's hard to really own up to this one, though; I
*do* have some Led Zeppelin, Beatles, and even a Grand Funk record or
two around here someplace...). But I hardly think the civil discussion
we've been having needs to sink to this level!
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From: Earl Needham <need...@3lefties.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 18:16:47 -0700
Subject: Re: NEA, but a little off topic
> From: Paul...@aol.com, on 6/23/97 4:00 PM:
<snip>
> Unfortunately we also have the same problems at the local level. We
changed
> mayors here in Sacramento and the new guy KILLED the symphony...
I'm just curious -- did the new mayor simply de-fund the symphony, or
did s/he prohibit the symphony from staying together?
Earl Needham, KD5XB
Clovis, NM
Wood Badge at Philmont! http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/7582/ ICQ
#925486
KD...@AMSAT.ORG
Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia, Pi Chi '76
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From: Trumpet Players International Network <tru...@parnassus.dana.edu>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 23:09:57 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Trumpet I.D. (fwd)
forwarded
Michael Anderson
Assistant Professor of Music
Dana College, Blair, Ne. 68008
Trumpet Player's International Network Administrator
(402)426-9063 - home
(402)426-7314 - office
- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 18:11:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: KDe...@aol.com
To: tru...@parnassus.dana.edu
Subject: Trumpet I.D.
Hello
I have a trumpet that I am thinking of having overhauled/rebuilt. The makers
mark is A.Feuillard. Have you heard of this maker? Is there anything
remarkable about this maker and his instruments? I would appreciate any
information you can provide.
Please respond to KDe...@aol.com
Thnak you
Ken Demery
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From: moon...@juno.com
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 00:11:42 EDT
Subject: Re: Nat.Endowment for the Arts
Megadittos to Scott. We conservatives don't believe in quotas.
Brian Moon
____________________
Moon...@juno.com
PROR (Put Reagan on Rushmore)
On Mon, 23 Jun 1997 19:35:59 -0500 (EST) KSIE...@desire.wright.edu
writes:
>Hasn't Mr. Huff used his quota of disk space for the decade? KS.
>
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From: trp...@bitstream.net (Steve Wright)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 16:43:11 -0600
Subject: I'M OUT OF HERE FOR AWHILE...
Greetings,
While most of the discussion on the list has been interesting for awhile, I
must get away from it and get some work (and playing) done. The NEA thing
started well and contained many well thought out posts, but has turned into
a forum for Mr. Huff's conservative ranting and raving. I apologize for
giving him fodder for these diatribes.
If anyone needs to reach me -- see below. Thanks...
Steve Wright
_________________________________
STEVE WRIGHT Music Endeavors
Trumpet, Arranger/Composer & Contractor
Phone: (612) 933-4496
Fax: (612) 931-0900
E-mail: trp...@bitstream.net
or: swr...@gustavus.edu
Gustavus Adolphus College
* Director of Jazz Ensembles &
Trumpet Instructor *
St. Peter, Minnesota
_________________________________
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From: moon...@juno.com
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 00:11:41 EDT
Subject: Re: Nat.Endowment for the Arts
Yes, that is what family is for. The government is NOT...... NOT......NOT
our parents. I graduated from a music school with free tuition that was
set up by a rich person. I wonder if that school would even exist if the
IRS had been in business back then?
Brian Moon
____________________
Moon...@juno.com
PROR (Put Reagan on Rushmore)
> And, you men to tell that you have
>Never got any assistance from anyone else before. I guess you bought
>your very first trumpet and you paid for your private lessons when you
>were a kid, you financed all your musical endeavors, paid your own way
>through college and did not recieve any financial assistance at all?
> If you did, you're pretty good.
>
>BK
>
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From: moon...@juno.com
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 00:11:42 EDT
Subject: Re: Nat.Endowment for the Arts
Seed money is all welfare was really intended to be in the first place.
Look at what has happened to it.
It seems as if you are you mis-interpreting the term "you" as a personal
attack.
Brian Moon
____________________
Moon...@juno.com
PROR (Put Reagan on Rushmore)
The kind of funding I've suggested is "seed money", not
>welfare.
>
>You have taken the discussion out of reasonable debate and into a
>corner
>bar arguement. It was civil up to this point.
>
>Steve Wright -- BM, MM, DMA & taxpayer...
>
>______________________________________________________________
>
>Scotty once again:
>
>>And Bill Clinton is going to save our country? *BARF*
>>If your playing career depends on government funding, you're nothing
>but a
>>welfare recipient who is too ignorant to make it on your own. You're
>not
>>worthy of the money.
>>
>
>_________________________________
>
>STEVE WRIGHT Music Endeavors
> Trumpet, Arranger/Composer & Contractor
> Phone: (612) 933-4496
> Fax: (612) 931-0900
> E-mail: trp...@bitstream.net
>
> or: swr...@gustavus.edu
> Gustavus Adolphus College
> * Director of Jazz Ensembles &
> Trumpet Instructor *
> St. Peter, Minnesota
>_________________________________
>
>
>
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From: Kaalund <bkaa...@bellatlantic.net>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 19:44:39 -0400
Subject: Re: Nat.Endowment for the Arts
> > It's that Joe Sixpack mentality again! We MUST EDUCATE people to
> appreciate
> > the fine arts, or I'm afraid that Snoop Doggie Dog will be seen as the
> pinacle
> > of the musical arts in the 1990s and "Beavis and Butthead" will be seen
> as
> > good drama and /or animation.
>
> Finally a good point! You are right WE must educate the people. WE must
> create the demand. NOT the government.
That is the reason that many people dislike artists. The performers
feel that the audience is there to be "educated on the MUSIC". The truth
is, people will go to a classical concert for the same reason they will
go to a rock concert, they enjoy it. When I hear a composition on my
local classical station that I haven't heard before, I don't expect the
DJ do give me a dissertation on it. If I like it, I'll remember it, buy
it, and if I want to, then I will look for info on it. Why is it that we
feel that we have to have an "educated" audience? The more popular
cotemporary performers don't.
BK
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From: Kathy Phipps <sub...@gte.net>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 23:38:14 -0500
Subject: Transposing
Hi all, two quick questions for you:
1. I have a very promising young student who does an amazing job at
everything I put in front of him. I've decided to start him on
transposition now so that he can take his time with it. I asked him to
use the Bordogni book and flip through the pages,
sightreading/transposing the "C" transpositions only. After he becomes
fluent in transposing from Bb to C, I thought we'd move to another key.
Does anyone strongly approve or disapprove of this method? I haven't
done this before, but it seemed like a fairly painless route to take.
2. When working on my own transposition, I find that I memorize the part
before I've actually accomplished anything in the study of transposition
itself. As a result, my transposition skills are weaker than I'd like
them to be. Has anyone else had this problem and what would be a good
remedy?
Thanks,
Kathy
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From: Jeff Parke <je...@parke.net>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 19:35:33 -0700
Subject: Re: Nat.Endowment for the Aristocrats
Please excuse me, I seem to have made a terrible mistake.
I thought that NEA stood for National Endowment for the Arts.
I thought that "National" might mean art that the general population
enjoyed, and therefore might want to support.
I now realize that the mission is to support art that the general
population does NOT enjoy, and therefore might NOT want to support.
That makes it perfect for a government program!
I don't know how I could have gotten so mixed up about the name of the
National Endowment for the Aristocrats!
:)
(My first smiley, and I never could have done it without that smiley grant.)
- ---------------------------
Jeff Parke
1315 N Tustin Av
# 354
Orange, CA 92867
(714) 288-0902
je...@parke.net
http://parke.net
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From: Kathy Phipps <sub...@gte.net>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 23:43:59 -0500
Subject: Double and triple tonguing
Recently, someone made the remark that trumpet players who start out
double tonguing before they triple tongue never can quite get triple
tonguing in the long run. Has anyone else found this to be true?
Kathy
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From: Jason R Harrelson <harr...@stolaf.edu>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 23:42:37 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: Ennea
There are recordings available of Chase? I wasn't aware of this, could
you tell me what if any I album(s) are out already?
thanks,
Jason Harrelson
On Mon, 23 Jun 1997 Chas...@aol.com wrote:
> Do any Chase fans out there know if the 2nd record "Ennea" and the third,
> "Pure Music" are going to come out on cd??
>
> -Eric
>
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From: tsun...@juno.com (Bernard H Lee)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 19:38:07 EDT
Subject: Re: "Lead" mouthpiece
Hello,
I was a aquainted with a trumpet player from another high school
in my area. He had a similar problem only he said that he "filled up" the
cup of his mouthpiece with his lips. I don't really know this means. All
I know is that he had an incredible range and was a terrific player for a
guy in hogh school. But when I handed him my Shilke 14a4a, which is a
real screamer, he couldn't get a note out not even a middle C. I looked
at his mouthpiece he used a Shilke 12. It wasn't nearly as shallow but
the cup was more like a cone than a bowl. Maybe you should look into it,
try a mpc that has a more conical cup and maybe a smaller throat.
Bernie Lee
tsun...@juno.com or br...@erols.com
"You don't win silver. You lose gold"-part of a Nike ad during the
Olympics
On Mon, 23 Jun 1997 15:23:17 -0500 "Gould, Robin" <rgo...@ihcc.org>
writes:
>If any of you out there have had a similar experience, please relate:
>
>I'm a player with reasonable range (E or F above high C) who has been
>asked to play some pop music with parts that stay up toward the top of
>my range. I normally play on equipment more suited to classical music
>(a
>Marcinkiewicz 1 1/2 B equivalent). While the tone, flexibility, etc.
>of
>my present mpc is great, I need something with a little more "sizzle"
>and efficiency in the high range.
>
>Here's my problem - I cannot play on shallow cup mpcs. My lips have a
>tendency to bottom out, producing no tone at all. Anyone have
>suggestions?
>
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From: moon...@juno.com
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 00:11:41 EDT
Subject: Re: WTB... C trumpet
Jon does this mean you don't want my 229L bell? Or are you just planning
to buy my bell cheap to make a quick buck?
Brian Moon
____________________
Moon...@juno.com
PROR (Put Reagan on Rushmore)
On Mon, 23 Jun 1997 18:07:39 -0700 Jon Pankin <jo...@realnetinc.com>
writes:
>Well, this is just my personal HO, but you better be a bit clearer
>about
>what you want, or all the sharks on this list, like Brian Moon, are
>going to try and sell you Yamahas, or something. What you really meant
>to say was, "I'd like to purchase a nice, used Bach C tpt., large
>bore,
>raw brass 229 bell (preferably tuneable), with a 25S or Blackburn
>leadpipe...know of any? :-)
>
>JP
>
>Al J Noble wrote:
>>
>> Dear TPINer's,
>>
>> I would like to purchase a used C trumpet..... know of any?
>>
>> Thank
>> Al Noble
>> trpt2al
>
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From: MLTho...@aol.com
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 01:58:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: NEA
I've been lurking around for a while now and I guess I've decided to drop in
my two cents. It seems the debate has somehow focused on the idea that some
music would survive if it was important to the people or some musicians need
to work harder for their survival or the government shouldn't put any money
towards anything or whatever...I would just like to talk about the NEA from a
different perspective.
I believe there is a place in government for supporting the arts. I will
tell you why. Through Chamber Music America with funding from the National
Endowment for the Arts, my group, Quantum Brass, is taking part in a Rural
Residency Program. We are located for nine months of the year in East Texas,
specifically this past year in Big Sandy, population 1250. We work in the
public schools in a 60 mile radius and we teach at a few small colleges (some
more regularily than others). In addition, we pursue our own professional
goals as an ensemble. We have performed a wide repertoire of music for
probably several thousand students, parents and citizens who have probably
never or would have never heard a brass quintet. For the most part, with
creative programming, we were extremely well received in every setting. I
know that we opened ears and minds to chamber music, art and the simple joy
and beauty of any kind of music. Not only are we expanding an audience, we
are creating one.
One of the most common criticisms of the NEA is that it is elitist and
wasteful. What I am doing is not elitist---in fact we are changing that
image with every performance we do. I do not believe this is wasteful
spending--with the communities matching funding for this program they are
cultivating a support system for the arts that will, hopefully, survive well
after our three years are up. This is occuring in rural Texas because people
somewhere believe that the arts belong everywhere in our country and that
culture/music/fine art/beauty is not just for the rich and the big city, but
is for everybody.
This would not be happening in East Texas without the NEA. Some would say
nothing like this needs to exist. I maintain that if more of this type of
thing existed the world would be a much better place. I am more than willing
to have a minute portion of the taxes I pay go to the NEA. There are better
places to cut first.
I don't believe the private sector or philanthropy will support programs like
this. It isn't very splashy and most cannot comprehend the intangible return
of investing in arts education in our schools. After all, they are the first
to go...
I hope the NEA survives, in fact I hope it grows. It is a functioning symbol
of a government and country that is willing to say the arts are important and
essential. That is the type of country I want to live in.
Mary Thornton
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From: "Guy Clark" <guyc...@msn.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 97 04:07:12 UT
Subject: RE: Nat.Endowment for the Arts
Hi, Dave!
Thanx for the kind reply! I, too, am reluctant to get into a political
discussion with people I don't know well, but on this one, I felt a need to
present the "liberal" side . (to think I used to be an "arch conservative!")
I am a little suprised at the "conservative" attitudes coming from musicians
who I used to think of as a generally rather "left-wing" group, but after some
consideration, I realize that we come from all sorts of backgrounds, so all
sorts of attitudes should, (and evidently do,) exist.
I hope that everybody comes to realize that the "dumbing down of America" is a
genuine phenomenon, and is a trend that must be reversed before it's too late!
thanx again!
Guy Clark
guyc...@msn.com
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From: owner...@parnassus.dana.edu on behalf of David V. Smith
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 1997 6:38 PM
To: tp...@parnassus.dana.edu
Subject: Re: Nat.Endowment for the Arts
Guy, Thank you very much for taking the time and effort to answer
these several posts on the above subject. Your responses have been
intelligent, logical, and come from an informed position. I really
needed to read some posts like yours, as some of the others have been
quite depressing.
My parents told me when I was a young lad, that one should be care-ful
when discussing religion or politics. When this thread started, I
thought we were talking about Art. I am extremely surprised at the
lack of agreement on this subject among a group of musicians (artists?)
David V. Smith
trpt...@roadrunner.com
Santa Fe, NM
Guy Clark wrote:
>
> Sorry, it's me again!
>
> It sounds like the underlying foundation of your attitude is that "The
people
> know what they want, and should get it". This is a laudable democratic
> attitude, and prima facie is inarguable. Unfortunately, the people DON'T
> always know what they want. They can't make an educated decision on what
they
> should have if they are uneducated!
> snip
> I'm sorry for sounding like such a liberal, but this touches a nerve with
me!
>
> still wearing that itchy asbestos suit,
>
> Guy Clark
>
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