Burbank Trumpet Question
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Kanstul Musical Instruments? From what I understand,they were built
under the supervision of Donald Benge and are copies of the old Burbank
Benges.Any input would be appreciated. Thanks,Cliff
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>Kanstul Musical Instruments? From what I understand,they were built
>under the supervision of Donald Benge and are copies of the old Burbank
>Benges.Any input would be appreciated. Thanks,Cliff
>
private label copy of Benge models made by Kanstul and distributed by Michael
Thomas International in Grand Terrace California. Early on, Donald Benge was
involved and Michael Thomas was not involved. Anything from Kanstul will be
well made. Kanstul owns and operates the former Benge plant.
The above information may not be completely accurate. It is based on what I
have been told by various people connected with the product. Please no flames.
Do you have one of these? How do you like it?
Tom Loeb, Riverside California
Alan Rouse
Kanstul reopened the original Burbank Benge shop and started making the
Burbank trumpet. I think the current Kanstul Burbank horn is a sort of
reissue of that horn.
I'll leave it to other posters to tell what the horn was like etc...
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Tom Murphy
Alan Rouse <alan...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> It is my understanding that after UMI bought Benge, Mr. Benge and Mr.
> Kanstul reopened the original Burbank Benge shop and started making
the
> Burbank trumpet. I think the current Kanstul Burbank horn is a sort
of
> reissue of that horn.
Do you mean Kanstul Chicago? That horn seems to look exactly like an LA
Benge (as near as I can tell from pictures).
>
<snip>
Tom
Alan Rouse
business in Chicago, producing the famous "Chicago Benge". Later he moved to
Burbank and produced the "Burbank Benge". At some the plant was moved to
Anaheim (I think by UMI after the purchase but I'm not sure). I also think
I've read (in Dundas' book) that Kanstul and Donald Benge reopened the
Burbank factory to produce the "Burbank" trumpet (no "Benge" in the name)
after UMI bought the original company. That company eventually became the
present-day Kanstul company after Donald Benge sold his interest. I'm not
exactly sure of the naming of the "Burbank" by Kanstul Music Inc but I think
it evolved into the Kanstul Signature series, and that the Kanstul Chicago is
a different model.
Maybe someone else can clear up this mess I've made...
S.Hager
To the best of my knowledge the information you posted is correct. One thing I
find interesting about all this is the obvious influence that Olds, Benge &
Reynolds have on all of the Kanstul horns. Looking at the third & first slide
bracing & way the receiver & valve cluster is cut & shaped & all the other
bracing for that matter. I have an old Reynolds & owned an Olds in the past &
have played several Benge horns & all have a common influence & heritage. BTW:
Alan I would like to take this opportunity to tell you that I think your Olds
website is fantastic & that my love for the Olds trumpet causes me to drool when
visiting your top quality site .... many thanks.
Spencer
Alan Rouse
I've said it before, but I think the quality follows the craftsmen, not the
businessmen. So wherever Mr. Reynolds went, good horns were produced. He
passed the torch to Kanstul, and wherever he goes, good horns are produced.
Jim Donaldson
>Kanstul Music Inc but I think it evolved into the Kanstul
>Signature series, and that the Kanstul Chicago is a different
>model.
I agree that the Burbank horn line was created when UMI moved the UMI/Benge
production from Anaheim to Eastlike Ohio by Donald Benge and Zig Kanstul. A
separate legal entity was formed to market the "Burbank Trumpet." These horns
were copies of the old Benge line while the Benge firm was located in Burbank.
My understanding is that the production is low at this point, but that they are
still in available and one can buy at least some of the models. The Kanstul
Chicago horns are copies of the Benge trumpets that were made in Chicago, but
they have a completely different marketing chain. I don't know how the two
horns compare as I never played one side by side. This is just one of the
various makes and models (including the Virtu Trumpet, the Alan Colin Max
trumpet and flugel, Jerry Callet's horns, the Wild Thing, the new F. Bessons,
the Kanstul marching horns, etc.) that Kanstul makes.
The current Kanstul Signature line has some features of the Burbank Benges, but
I think they are separately designed and engineered horns, not really an
evolution of the Benge horns (e.g., the copper bells, heavy weight caps, Amado
water keys, copies of Bach and Calicchio bell flairs and leadpipes are all
different from the Benge designs).
This of course is splitting hairs as Zig Kanstul had a hand in each of the
designs and manufacturing and each has the quality and playability we have come
to expect from horns that he has anything to do with.
Jim Donaldson
Denver Colorado
JFDon...@aol.com
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Bryan Fields
in Denton. The horns looked like the Benges I had seen but they were a little
heavier and had a nice focus to the sound--kind of like a Bach, but much quicker
response and great intonation. They had a piccolo there that was dynamite,
also--I guess that's what evolved into the Kanstul that everyone likes so much?
Dunno, somebody enlighten me.
Dr. Trumpet
wrote:
> In article <8ivls8$sue$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> Alan Rouse <alan...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > It is my understanding that after UMI bought Benge, Mr. Benge and Mr.
> > Kanstul reopened the original Burbank Benge shop and started making
> the
> > Burbank trumpet. I think the current Kanstul Burbank horn is a sort
> of
> > reissue of that horn.
>
> Do you mean Kanstul Chicago? That horn seems to look exactly like an LA
> Benge (as near as I can tell from pictures).
> >
> <snip>
>
> Tom
>
>
The Burbank horns were exactly as Alan describes. The new Chicago horn is the
one that Alan mentions at the current Kanstul Burbank.
AL
Trumpetom
old Chicago Benge on the front counter. I was told it was the best playing old
Benge they could find & it was the model for the Kanstul Chicago. There must be
slight dirrerences in the horns, and except for first and third valve slides
and stops, I could not eyeball any cosmetic differences between it and any
California Benge or Burbank or very early pre war French Besson (with the
narrow tuning crook).
Tom Loeb
Alan Rouse
4th space E, as do many trumpets. Someone posted awhile back that the
Kanstul Chicago horn has corrected the intonation of this note.
Kelly Hall
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"Alan Rouse" <alan...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> The Chicago Benge (maybe Burbank & LA also) had a characteristic
> flat 4th space E, as do many trumpets. Someone posted awhile back
> that the Kanstul Chicago horn has corrected the intonation of this
> note.
I wish they'd correct that partial on my Kanstul Chicago - it's as
flat as my LA Benge Claude Gordon.
Kelly
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Raymond Nelson
earlier produced, though I'm not sure. It has metal valve guides, while all
of the one's I saw later had plastic. This is a GREAT little horn, and I've
been complimented on many occassions about its beatiful sound. With a Bach
7ew, the pitch and slots are stable up to the high G. (I don't own the A, so
while I've practiced the Brandenburg, I never performed it. - Anyway these
days I'm so busy with my non-trumpet life that I couldn't get through it.)
Peace,
Raymond
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Bill Coates
excellent response and a very warm tone at soft volumes. When pushed it
gets somewhat shrill. I met Zig Kanstul at a brass conference in New York
about 10 years ago.
I was talking to a fellow trumpeter within ear-shot of his booth and
display. He grew incensed when I referred to my horn as "a benge copy". He
quickly corrected me and also handed me a copper bell flugelhorn to try. It
was as they say 'like butta baby'. Do yourself a favor and give the Kanstul
line of horns a try. IMHO the are some of the best horns made
today-especially the fluegs. Although I own other horns (getzen
super-deluxe, Bach 37, Benge 3 flugel, Yamaha 6345 trumpet) I always find
myself using the Burbanks!
Freddie Dunn
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Trumpet-Fertile Ground
Trumpet/Flugel/Mellophone-Laffayette Gilchrist Band.
"Alan Rouse" <alan...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
ElRenoBand
>> flat 4th space E, as do many trumpets.
Allow me to add yet more confusion on this subject. I have a very late Chicago
Benge, #3338,and a very early Burbank Benge, #3681, and while the Chicago does
not exhibit the flat fourth space E, The Burbank does. The two horns seem to
be physically identical, but also play quite differently. The Chicago has a
larger sound, but the Burbank is brighter. Amazing what Elden could do, and we
have no idea how he did it.
John Creed
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