midi interface for trumpet
morrie
I recently put a midi keyboard on my pc sound blaster card with great
results.
Is there are midi interface for using a trumpet....
The other alternative is converting a .wav file to .midi if
possible since I can record as a .wav.
thanks
Morrie
Ron Baptiste
I've seen a midi "sax", but I don't know of a midi trumpet. I highly
doubt it's been done due to engineering obstacles - such as how to
make it distinguish between C, G, C, E, G, C for example (since they
all use the same fingering...).
Its not likely you'll find a .wav to .mid conversion program, either.
The problem here is, a wav is an actual digital recording of real-time
sound, simply converted to binary code. Its good at sound
reproduction, but has no way to provide a mid what it needs. A mid is
just a sequence of instructions, such as "turn on trumpet.pat;
duration xxx seconds; turn off trumpet.pat". Its just a listing of
events in a sequence (hence the term "sequencer" used in conjuntion
with midi apps). Its big advantage is the space saving, at the cost
of sounding less realistic, especially with wind instrument sounds.
Percussive instruments are dealt with better, as there's some
consistancy to the sound they produce. A trumpet, however, varies
considerably at the whim of the player - eg the attack. amount of
vibrato, volume variation, fade out - most of which can be adjusted
for with a good sequencer, but who wants to spend 10 minutes or so
shaping each and every note individually! Consequently, realism is
sacrificed and what's produced is the most common denominator re:
attack, vibrato, etc. each note sounds identical to the others, which
you'd never hear coming from a live performer.
Sorry - I got rather side-tracked there! Hope all this has some
relavance :)
Brandon Schoonmaker
but I can't remeber for sure . It was also a practice mute system were
the mute had a microphone inside it and you put a headpone set on to
listen to yourself. I do remember seeing a hefty price tag on it.
Good luck and God Bless
Brandon Schoonmaker
Greg Grooms
>
> I recently saw a system put out by Yamaha that might be midi
> compatible, but I can't remeber for sure . It was also a practice mute
> system were the mute had a microphone inside it and you put a headpone
> set on to listen to yourself. I do remember seeing a hefty price tag on
> it.
>
No MIDI there, or anywhere else for that matter using a real trumpet.
The only thing that will do what you want is the AKAI??? electronic wind
interface EVI, that has been available since about 1985? I've never
played one, but it is controlled by 3 valve buttons, an octave control,
and an air flow "mouthpiece" that you blow into. I don't think it is
manufactured new any longer.
Greg
Randy O'Neal
In the back of the Brasswinds catalog they advertise something called
Amadeus that has a pitch to Midi converter. It is touted as being able to
convert musical sound from any instrument or voice to MIDI data. I don't
have any experience with this package, but it sounds like what you're
looking for... but it's mega-bucks. Depending on the features you're
talking about $1100.00 to $1600.00 or more. Hope this helps...
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David Buxton
here's hoping you are still dialed into this newsgroup.
I use a MIDI system as accompaniment for my trumpet playing. And I do
have a MIDI box with a good studio sampled trumpet sound. I have posted
to the Synth group asking for oppinions as to a MIDI box with the 'best'
trumpet sound.
My old Roland D-10 keyboard has trumpet sounds that are less than
convincing, duds frankly. I was able to synthesize a trumpet sound that
I liked a whole lot better, but it was still on really very convincing.
My two boys said it sounded like trumpets on an organ and not at all the
real thing.
Then more recently I bought a used Proteus Orchestral box. Lots of
excellent instrument sounds, but none of the brass really took hold of
me. Then I bought a Roland M-GS64 because of a couldn't pass it up
opportunity. The M-GS64 does have trumpet sounds that I'm happy with.
Not the best to be found out there, but good trumpet, flugal, etc.
On the Synth newsgroup, asking about 'best' trumpet in a MIDI box. It
sounds like Proteus does now have a trumpet sound that makes it to the
top of the heap. Wish I had the bucks for the box.
As for trumpets with a MIDI interface. I've never heard of one and I
doubt there is one. I know there are Saxaphones and pianos and other
instruments. Let's take the sax for a minute. A sax has far more finger
positions (compared to a trumpet) for selecting the note to be played.
I'm no sax player, but it seems, you play your 12 note octave with your
fingers and you also have octave shift keys. So, decoding a sax into MIDI
data is not all that much a challenge. But how do you deal with lip
dynamics and decode that into a MIDI data stream. I just don't think it
is practical.
I'm sure you understand that when you play a MIDI 'sax' that you don't
hear a sax playing. It just isn't a sax. The ones I've seen, you don't
even have to hook up your mouth unless perhaps that sets the velocity
outputs. If you hook your MIDI sax to a MIDI box and set it to trumpet,
then you hold a sax like instrument in your hands and out comes what
sounds like a trumpet. Or it could be a flute or a piano or, of course,
a sax that you hear out of the speaker system.
So, I'm not sure if you are looking for a MIDI box or board that has a
top quality studio sampled trumpet sound or a way to play trumpet lip and
finger positions and out comes a MIDI data stream to capture in a
sequencer, scored music MIDI software program or to have play like a sax
or trumpet.
I'm not scolding you for posting to the trumpet newsgroup, just
suggesting that you will be addressing a more appropriate audiance if you
post to the synth group. You might email back to me and clarify as to
whether it is trumpet to MIDI that you want or MIDI to trumpet. If you
want a trumpet sound, then there are some alternatives:
* synthesizers like my old less than convincing Roland D-10.
* studio sampled instruments in a MIDI box or sound card.
* samplers so you can sample your own horn or download from the net.
Once you have the above sorted out, post to the synth newsgroup and hope
for some good feedback. It is a fairly high volume newsgroup and so a
lot of postings simply get ignored.
Dave
Eric Pruett
>
> In <31726A...@stl.prc.com>, Greg Grooms <g-gr...@stl.prc.com> writes:
> >Brandon Schoonmaker wrote:
> >>
> >> I recently saw a system put out by Yamaha that might be midi
> >> compatible, but I can't remeber for sure . It was also a practice mute
> >> system were the mute had a microphone inside it and you put a headpone
> >> set on to listen to yourself. I do remember seeing a hefty price tag on
> >> it.
> >>
> >
> >No MIDI there, or anywhere else for that matter using a real trumpet.
> >The only thing that will do what you want is the AKAI??? electronic wind
> >interface EVI, that has been available since about 1985? I've never
> >played one, but it is controlled by 3 valve buttons, an octave control,
> >manufactured new any longer.
>
> In the back of the Brasswinds catalog they advertise something called
> Amadeus that has a pitch to Midi converter. It is touted as being able to
> convert musical sound from any instrument or voice to MIDI data. I don't
> have any experience with this package, but it sounds like what you're
> looking for... but it's mega-bucks. Depending on the features you're
> talking about $1100.00 to $1600.00 or more. Hope this helps...
>
> Randy O'Neal "The above views are mine alone,
> ron...@lexmark.com though they can be yours too for
> Printer Attach Software Development a nominal fee..."
> Lexmark International, Inc. __o o __o __o
> Lexington, Ky. `\<, \\_/\_, `\<,-`\<,
> (606)-232-4330 O/ O O O O/----/ O
>
> The Fifth Corollary to Murphy's Law:
> Left to themselves, things tend to go from bad to worse.
There's also a thing (a few less features i think) called autoscore.
there's a shareware version called autodemo, so look it up, it could be
what you're looking for.
Simon Chatterjee
Brandon Schoonmaker <schoonbg@uwec> wrote:
>I recently saw a system put out by Yamaha that might be midi compatible,
>but I can't remeber for sure . It was also a practice mute system were
>the mute had a microphone inside it and you put a headpone set on to
>listen to yourself. I do remember seeing a hefty price tag on it.
That's the Yamaha Silent Brass system, which has been discussed here
before. The one currently retailing is purely analogue, but there is a
MIDI one in the works; my teacher tried a prototype (he's sponsored by
Yamaha) and said that it wasn't bad, but still needed some work to
track the notes properly.
Incidentally, I shelled out for mine about a month ago and I am still
completely in love with it. Wild horses couldn't tear it away from me!
One of the best things is that you hear the sound as it comes out of
the bell, not as you hear it normally, so all sorts of little
imperfections are more prominent and so you can correct them. I am
playing better than ever, partly because I can practice more (like in
the lunch hour at work) and partly because I can practice more
effectively. But they aren't cheap.
BTW, if you use one, a couple of tips if you mix in a backing tape
that are probably obvious but didn't occur to me for ages are:
- clip it on to your left hand side rather than your right; that way
you can adjust the levels with your left hand (yes, using your right
hand's pinky :-) whilst still playing.
- if you use the power supply and mix in/out, there can be lots of
cables to get in the way. I now thread them through empty belt
loops, so the power and CD cable come out behind me, and the
headphones/mute cables come out in front of me.
Simon
David Buxton
module. Such a module might include a spectrum analyser to determine the
primary frequency of the note being played and a sequencer to record when
the note attacked and released and it's velocity. Such a 'box' would
logically work on any instrument. I suspect it would have to be limited
to single notes at a time -- no chords. I haven't a clue if such an
animal exists out there. I'd guess that some engineer has something of
the sort working in a basement lab somewhere. Commercially available?
Who knows. You might check with Steven Spielberg.
Peter Williams
>From: Brandon Schoonmaker <schoonbg@uwec>
>Subject: Re: midi interface for trumpet
>Date: 15 Apr 1996 02:19:24 GMT
>I recently saw a system put out by Yamaha that might be midi compatible,
>but I can't remeber for sure . It was also a practice mute system were
>the mute had a microphone inside it and you put a headpone set on to
>listen to yourself. I do remember seeing a hefty price tag on it.
>Good luck and God Bless
>Brandon Schoonmaker
Yes a friend of mine, John Page who used to tour with Up With People, has
this system. A whole trumpet section can play an ensemble piece where the
loudest sound is the valve actions.
Later
Aaron Natsheh
: In article <4ksbnc$r...@koala.uwec.edu>,
: Brandon Schoonmaker <schoonbg@uwec> wrote:
: >I recently saw a system put out by Yamaha that might be midi compatible,
: >the mute had a microphone inside it and you put a headpone set on to
: >listen to yourself. I do remember seeing a hefty price tag on it.
: That's the Yamaha Silent Brass system, which has been discussed here
: before. The one currently retailing is purely analogue, but there is a
: MIDI one in the works; my teacher tried a prototype (he's sponsored by
: Yamaha) and said that it wasn't bad, but still needed some work to
: track the notes properly.
: Incidentally, I shelled out for mine about a month ago and I am still
: completely in love with it. Wild horses couldn't tear it away from me!
: One of the best things is that you hear the sound as it comes out of
: the bell, not as you hear it normally, so all sorts of little
: imperfections are more prominent and so you can correct them. I am
: playing better than ever, partly because I can practice more (like in
: the lunch hour at work) and partly because I can practice more
: effectively. But they aren't cheap.
: BTW, if you use one, a couple of tips if you mix in a backing tape
: that are probably obvious but didn't occur to me for ages are:
: - clip it on to your left hand side rather than your right; that way
: you can adjust the levels with your left hand (yes, using your right
: hand's pinky :-) whilst still playing.
: - if you use the power supply and mix in/out, there can be lots of
: cables to get in the way. I now thread them through empty belt
: loops, so the power and CD cable come out behind me, and the
: headphones/mute cables come out in front of me.
: Simon
--
I had the oppertunity to use the silent brass system for a week. I,
too, found that little imperfections in ones playing is much easier to
hear. The thing that I did not like was that if you used the silent
brass every time you practiced; or even half of the time, you would
cack(spl?) every single note once you played without it. I talked to
my teacher about this, and he said that because of the pressure in the
bell, you needed to blow a bit harder to get notes. Unlike a normal
mute, the silent brass mute seals the bell completely. I had the
oppertunity to purchase the system, but did not due to the price and
the fact that it cannot be used often, or will affect your playing
negatively. I suggest that anyone interested in buying it, attempt to
get a loan of one for a week.
_-* Aaron Natsheh *-_ [|:)>-
David A. Roth
In article <4l2ugg$l...@goodnews.wv.tek.com> (rec.music.makers.trumpet), David
There are already pitch to MIDI convertors. They have been around for
years now. I tried one with my trumpet and it didn't track very well. What
that means is that not all the notes you played where converted to
MIDI, it didn't include all the notes. If you played very slowly and steady
it could do a better job, but the whole thing had about a 1/4 second delay.
Not all that useful as a MIDI controller for most trumpet players.
David A. Roth
da...@roth-music.com
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HMG coA reductase
silent is it from a bystander's point of view? I mean, surely the horn
still vibrates, air still comes out...
>
> Incidentally, I shelled out for mine about a month ago and I am still
> completely in love with it. Wild horses couldn't tear it away from me!
> One of the best things is that you hear the sound as it comes out of
> the bell, not as you hear it normally, so all sorts of little
> imperfections are more prominent and so you can correct them. I am
> playing better than ever, partly because I can practice more (like in
> the lunch hour at work) and partly because I can practice more
> effectively. But they aren't cheap.
XXX
Ivan
Bruce Bromley
>
> I recently put a midi keyboard on my pc sound blaster card with great
> results.
>
> Is there are midi interface for using a trumpet....
>
> The other alternative is converting a .wav file to .midi if
> possible since I can record as a .wav.
>
>
> Morrie
Hi Morrie
Again all I can suggest is the Akai EVI interface of which I have one,
If you require further details do not hesitate to contact me direct
Regards
Bruce Bromley
Greg Grooms
The sound is the same as most other practice mutes. You can definitely
hear it, but the volume is cut way back.
Greg
L.S.K
address! Anyone know it please e-mail me
L.S.K
the mag or are we all out in the dark? Mag too good to not be
published! Thanks All
Les
Bill Averbach
sound using a Barcus-Berry Pick up implanted in the mouthpiece but I
think that midi would not work well with a trumpet because of the
extranious sounds that would be picked up ( valves, spit, etc)
good luck.
Bill Averbach
Trained Ants
Ken Mitchell
Les,
There is a Maynard Tribute Page on the web. I don't know if it's the
one you're referring to. In any event, here it is:
http://www.uni.edu/~keller10/maynard.html
Try it out.
Simon Chatterjee
>Question: does plugging the thing in alter the resistance / pressure? How
>silent is it from a bystander's point of view? I mean, surely the horn
>still vibrates, air still comes out...
The bottom line is that it's still a practice mute with a microphone
in. It is by far the freest-blowing practice mute I have tried, and I
hardly notice the difference when playing medium range, soft to medium
volume (although there definitely is a difference). It does, however,
make a _lot_ more resistance to playing high and loud. I quite like
that for building gut strength, but intermittently (especially the day
before an important gig) I have been practicing open, to remind
everything how the horn feels without it. That practice I usually blow
too hard and my playing is generally not quite balanced right, but the
next day everything feels good again. This is no big deal; I do this
sort of intermittent balancing exercise anyway with using two
mouthpieces. I haven't had any problems with the Yamaha so far, and I
have used it every day. But then I've only had it for about six weeks,
so caveat lector.
The volume is about the same as with any decent practice mute. If I'm
practicing in my bedroom, you can hear me outside the door (or even
downstairs if I'm playing fairly loud) if there's no ambient noise,
but a normal conversation is probably enough to stop you noticing it.
The advice someone offered of trying one for a week if you can seems
sound to me. But I was addicted after one fix :-)
Simon