Trumpet vs. Cornet
Mark Mark
cornet is built cylindrically and has a deeper, darker tone. Is that true? What
are the advantages/disadvantages of playing one over the other?
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trumpet player
Padraic Brown
Eric Moss
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It depends on the horns compared, but... Generally, a cornet has more
wrapping of tubing, and is supposed to start flaring toward the bell
earlier in the horn. The point of this is to produce a different timbre
from a trumpet, typically softer, warmer (and brassier when pushed). It
also seems to make the partials easier to slide between. The horn is
easier to play when marching, just because it is closer to the body and
doesn't bounce so much. Some people think it crowds them, but I like it.
Often one can't blow a cornet as hard as a trumpet without it breaking
up. On the other hand, you usually don't need as much air to get them to
speak. Also, I find it easier to hear myself in a section with the bell
closer to my head.
Now for the "depends on the horn" part. Many cheaper cornets lack the
extra curves of the "shepherd's crook" models like, e.g., the Wild
Thing, Yamaha, Lawler or Monette double-crook. I don't know if that's
the cause, but the cheaper horns just aren't as mellow as the better
ones, and sound more like a trumpet. At that point, I'd just get a
trumpet if I want that sound, because the cheaper cornets can be a bit
nasally, I think.
The better cornets can be pushed, with results that are different from a
trumpet, but which can be just as pleasing. With a WT mouthpiece, my WT
gets a throaty sound like good midrange horns on (good) PA speakers. I
once out-blew 4 trumpet players with it and it stayed in-tune, so
although my tastefulness was questionable, the horn's ability to hold
its own is not. While the trumpets got more intense (like herald
trumpets) the cornet got "bigger" and throatier (that really just means
more of the lower, even harmonics). Like I said, a different result, but
depending on the music, just as good. It really bridges well between
French horns and the upper trumpet parts.
I think a good cornet mixes better (than does a trumpet) with sax in
small groups (a la Nat Adderley or Marsalis on the "My Jelly Lord" CD),
but may or may not do right for big band. It MIGHT work just fine, but
very similar-sounding horns may be more important for that. The good
cornets are flexible enough that smaller mouthpieces can provide a good
big-band sound, but someone else will have to comment on if they've been
able to do any lead/solo work with them.
I'd try a good one (my only personal cornet experience is with the
WildThing, which I like very much) on a variety of music. I think you
will like it as long as you don't expect it to be "just like a trumpet,
only more so".
Have fun,
Eric
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There isn't as much difference as there used to be. Pre-1920-or-so cornets
were shorter, more conical and had a broader tone than the ones made today.
When jazz became popular in the '20s and '30s a horn with more projection
was needed - something that would cut through the band. "Cutting contests",
where players would play in competition with each other made such a horn
even more desirable. Louis Armstrong switched to a cornet with a trumpet
mouthpiece and leadpipe and then to a trumpet. Everyone wanted to play like
King Louis, so.....
I have a 1921 Martin Superlative cornet and a 1945 King Master. They don't
sound the same, at all. The Martin has a full, rich, broad tone. You can
bend the notes easily and get a lot of "character" out of it. The King
sound almost exactly like a trumpet.
When I have a cornet solo that's bright or martial, I may just use my
Kanstul trumpet. If it's a lyrical piece, I'll play the Martin.
John
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Greg Evans
> Pre-1920-or-so cornets were shorter, more conical and had a
> broader tone than the ones made today.
> ... I have a 1921 Martin Superlative cornet ... The Martin has a full,
rich,
> broad tone. You can bend the notes easily and get a lot of "character"
> out of it.
Sounds nice...does NOBODY make this sort of cornet anymore? Do I just scout
eBay for an antique cornet?
Kirk Reeves
get more variety on a cornet.
With a trumpet I can either sound jazzy or classical. I can
do that with a cornet but these are the
variety I have been able to get on a cornet
cartoonty
I love cartoons which is why I started playing the trumpet.
and the cartoon sound I can get now varies
from the 30's sounding betty boop style to the classical
warner brother sound to the jazzy/dixieland Hanna Barbera
style.
Voice of doom.
This is when you know someone is playing the trumpet and
they aren't shy about it. Listening to
Wagner Ride of the Valykies or Overture to The Flying
Dutchman at full volume gives you an idea what I mean
Hick Sound
Just like I came off the farm. But this "Hick" sound is not
the good country sound that can get you
on Grand Ole Orpy but more like you're ready for HEE HAW!
By the way, where I live there lots of
farm boys and I seen them ploughing their acreage and you
can hear blasting across the field the baddest meanest
black street rap I've heard growing up in the ghetto.
Needless to say it is really strange and shattered some of
my illusions of farms kids. I guess the "hick" sound is a
stereotype
only found in tv. Of course I'm a black dude who plays like
a hick doesn't help anybody idea of a stereotype either.
Sweet sound. I notice this with a lot of my antique
cornets. Instead of sounding trumpet-like, they
sound more flute-like. I really like the sound effect and
it is good for playing the Arban's but it doesn't fit in
with today's music for the trumpet.
And of course I am always picking up new ideas from
listening to other trumpet players. For example, when I
want to play my horn as loud and bold as possible I get a
Voice of Doom sound. However I recently heard Louie Prima
and he has an extremely happy sound when he is blasting away
on his horn.
Kirk Reeves
shorter than today cornets, I would say They came in a lot
more varieties. For instance, the cornets that were built
with a "Circus Leadpipe" Is is a leadpipe that was bent in
a long "S" shape. Some horns with circus leadpipes were
almost as long as trumpets. Some with circus leadpipe would
have a shepherd crook and some didn't but you could cut
through a crowd with these horn. After all they were
designed for playing under the big top where you had to be
able to cut through any noise, yet a space bigger then a
symphony hall without the musical ability so you had to have
a symphonic quality as well.
Jay T. Carrigan
and higher, and with greater endurance. But the Cornet sounds better!
And fast passages are easier to play on the cornet, presumably because
of it being a better balanced instrument.
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S.Hager
This has got to be the best decription of the cornet playing characteristics I've
ever read! Thanks for the post!
Spencer
Bryan Fields
Eric Moss wrote: mellow as the better
> ones, and sound more like a trumpet. At that point, I'd just get a
> trumpet if I want that sound, because the cheaper cornets can be a bit
> nasally, I think.
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I have a cheap old student cornet--a lot of the sound problems can be
remedied by choosing a mouthpiece that's appropriate for the
cornet--i.e. a deeper, more v-style cup. I plugged a Warburton 4D/10
into my cornet and it has minimized a lot of the problems I had with it
before. Too many cornets come with trumpet-style cups, which cause that
nasal sound. A good mouthpiece is more than half the battle, I think.
DHoff56012
>remedied by choosing a mouthpiece that's appropriate for the
>cornet--i.e. a deeper, more v-style cup. I plugged a Warburton 4D/10
>into my cornet and it has minimized a lot of the problems I had with it
>before. Too many cornets come with trumpet-style cups, which cause that
>nasal sound. A good mouthpiece is more than half the battle, I think.
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Definitely. A deep V type of mouthpiece gets the best cornet sound. Otherwise
it sounds too much like a trumpet.
Mark Mark
Bryan Fields
use on my cornet is probably less V than it is bowl-shaped, but it seems
to do the job well.
Padraic Brown
V-shaped cups with wider stems and often very wide rims. The cups
(on my old cornet MPs) are also wider in diameter and tend to be a
little thicker walled than horn MPs.
Regards,
Padraic.
Mark Mark (mark...@aol.comSPAMMO) wrote:
: Would that be like a french horn mouthpiece?
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